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Opera Mini vs Opera Beta

for those of you who have tried the new Opera 9.33 beta or the Opera 9.5, do you think its better then the Opera Mini?
For those of you who haven't tried it the link is right here
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=368811
and I got a questions about this aswell. i want to install the Opera beta on my phone and i'm currently running Open Touch v3.0 Slimeline, is there a way were i can replace the Opera Mini so i wont have to Opera's on my phone and have it take up even more space?
thanks in advance

I installed the beta but didn't rly like it so i stayed with Mini, i'm running slimline as well
as for deleting the mini it barely takes any space, plus its build in the rom so i dont know if its deletable

aad4321 said:
yeah, the regular opera sucks!!! i had it before. opera mini like downloads the webpage through operas servers or something, while the standard opera is a standalone which is just as slow as IE. only advantage is that it dosent have to run in java.
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The new version is nothing like the 8.XX version. It's supposed to be a billion times better. I haven't tried it, yet, though.

the official new yes i'm sure i'd love it, but for some reason this early beta release is annoying me rly bad

The UI is very nice... you can just read the thread to see the opinions if you really want some more depth. It's a tad sluggish and kinda buggy, but I can't wait to see what the release version will look like--it looks pretty amazing right now.
The icons are pretty huge, I have a feeling that will get changed, though, because it seems like a lot of people don't like that...

aad4321 said:
does it work like opera mini tho? like use operas server to download the web pages as one big "picture"?
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[Quoting EyeAmRubber]
No it doesn't.
Opera Mobile is a full browser which doesn't use or require a transcoder/proxy.

I would use both, but be aware that it's a beta.
Try the the new Opera Mobile to figure it yourself.
I'll recommend to make a backup of your device before, as you should always if you test beta software
The bad thing is that the Beta installs itself directly into the \Windows folder and wastes like 9MB.

GAMBIT999 said:
The bad thing is that the Beta installs itself directly into the \Windows folder and wastes like 9MB.
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Wow... that's a big chunk of space... maybe if it was something freeware and cookable (at least legally cookable...) we could replace pocket IE with it...

I installed it last night on my spare wing and didn't care too much for this alpha release. Why?
1) text sections dont fit to screen like Opera Mini, so scrolling is involved
2) very buggy right now, especially the UI components and menus
3) felt sluggish compared to Opera Mini
4) no flash support
5) too friggin fat! as stated its about 9 megs installed
6)The version I dl'd didn't have an uninstall option. I manually deleted all the Opera9 folders and .exe to regain space.
I do have to say I like where they're going with this browser, scrolling is very fast and smooth. I for one will be waiting for this to hit beta and hope all the minor annoyances are cleared up. Unfortunately I don't see it being the iPhone safari killer people are touting it as unless somehow flash works it's way in, and I can finally have my Pandora on the road =)

aad4321 said:
even if u ask to install on the storage card it will still put 9mb on the phone?
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yes it does, the installation routine will force it

There is a modified version of this leaked release which is for QVGA devices and installs to the storage card and has an uninstaller.

GiZZy said:
I installed the beta but didn't rly like it so i stayed with Mini, i'm running slimline as well
as for deleting the mini it barely takes any space, plus its build in the rom so i dont know if its deletable
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Yes you can delete the browser if you want.
Go to Programs>Esmertec jbeb
press on opera then click menu and uninstall

GAMBIT999 said:
Yes, the new Opera Mobile loads the Web through the Opera proxy servers to enhance it for mobile devices, just like Opera Mini does.
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No it doesn't.
Please stop spreading this myth.
Opera Mobile is a full browser which doesn't use or require a transcoder/proxy.

EyeAmRubber said:
No it doesn't.
Please stop spreading this myth.
Opera Mobile is a full browser which doesn't use or require a transcoder/proxy.
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Thanks for the heads-up. Taking my statement back

There is a modified version of this leaked release which is for QVGA devices and installs to the storage card and has an uninstaller.
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I gave this version a shot and really like it. Zooming in and out works really well, scrolling is very smooth, it automatically goes to full screen and hides menus during/after loading a page(except on arrow in the corner to bring it back up). User interface is excellent in my opinion. Only complaint I have for it is that text sections don't fit to screen like Opera Mini.

Opera Mobile 9.5, dynamic zoom using jog dial?

Has anyone figured out how to use the Tytn II's jog dial to zoom dynamically in Opera Mobile 9.5 like on the Diamond? Double tapping the screen is nice, but with a 2.8in screen and QVGA, zooming into 100% really leaves us with a small viewing area. I would like to easily zoom in/zoom out to what ever level I want like Diamond users can using their touch scroll wheel/jog dial, or like iPhone users can using multi-touch pinching on their capacitative screens.
What I know so far:
-input.ini (located in \Application Data\Opera 9.5) has options to change the hardware key configurations, but I haven't had much success in playing around with it, except for getting the font to zoom using the wheel.
-navigating to opera:config in Opera's address bar gives a ton of options, including some that control zoom behavior. But I haven't seen anything that let you assign keys to zooming.
-opera.ini (located in \Application Data\Opera 9.5) has some zoom control options.

that would be really awesome someones gotta build a tweak for this!! for skyfire as well because watching like a youtube video is difficult cus default zoom zooms in too much so its hard to get a full screen ...

As far as I know our wheel is directly "connected" to the "joystick" (the 4 directions pad under the screen). So even if somebody find a solution, it will disable the scroll possibility.
But your right, even with that, it could be a great feature.

There is also the possibility to use the latest build from Opera 9.5 (1957) taken from an Omnia, here.
If you scroll up / down on the right of your screen, you can now zoom in/out .

deuzeff said:
There is also the possibility to use the latest build from Opera 9.5 (1957) taken from an Omnia, here.
If you scroll up / down on the right of your screen, you can now zoom in/out .
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The new zoom feature in opera is brilliant.
here's a little image

Nice find! But it looks buggy, and the sizing seems optimized for the Omnia (given that there is overlap between the zoom bar and Opera menu button).
Two bits of info though.
1. In HTC Album, the jog dial (at least on the Touch Cruise) functions independently of the D-pad directions. Jog dial zooms, whereas D-Pad pans. So the functions can be separated.
2. In the Diamond, the jog wheel doesn't function as a jog wheel by default. It actually does absolutely nothing in most of the interface. If you want it to function, it has to be hacked to do so by specifying the programs in which you want it to function in the registry (HKLM/Software/HTC/SmartTouch/)

It's funny to see this thread as i was thinking the same thing a few months ago when i first got opera 9.
If this could be done, that would be really awesome.

samz465 said:
It's funny to see this thread as i was thinking the same thing a few months ago when i first got opera 9.
If this could be done, that would be really awesome.
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I think that by the time it leaves beta then they're going to have the zoom sorted...
Oh and a nice Opera Widget collection would be nice as well

Is there any way to zoom in Opera Mobile?

Are you guys using 6.1 roms? I for the life of me cannot get any build of 9.5 to run.

MossMan4x4 said:
Is there any way to zoom in Opera Mobile?
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Yes, if you use the official 9.5 beta available on the website (and I'd guess any other build) you can just double tap the screen to zoom in or out. Otherwise, you can go through the menu system to zoom in/out in increments.
Sideburnt said:
Are you guys using 6.1 roms? I for the life of me cannot get any build of 9.5 to run.
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This may or may not help as I have a Touch Cruise (Polaris), but I'm using an official WM6 ROM, and the official 9.5 Beta available on the Opera website.

Opera way too slow!!!

Stock Opera is way too slow,is anybody using Operamini 4 ? I used to use this on my Tilt phone and 10 time's faster!!

I use both.. yes mini is faster, but lacks a lot of the funcionality of opera mobile.

omarnone said:
Stock Opera is way too slow,is anybody using Operamini 4 ? I used to use this on my Tilt phone and 10 time's faster!!
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Yes, Stock Diamond Opera is slow and Mini is much faster (I used it as my primary browser on the Touch Dual) but, as previously indicated, has fewer features. I can get over that for alot of browsing but the bigger problem to me is that it is really hard to use Opera Mini's menus on the Diamond as they are so small on the VGA screen (and I chose the option for larger fonts - still too small.)

Yeah, I agree, I used to use Opera Mini on my Hermes device and it was very quick at page rendering, zoom in/out (re-draws) etc. To be honest, it actually suited my needs in terms of functionally. I also tried Opera Mobile on the Hermes and it is just as slow as on my Diamond.
I've not tried Mini on my Diamond (I don't do much web browsing) but would like to try it out.

wpsantennas said:
Yes, Stock Diamond Opera is slow and Mini is much faster (I used it as my primary browser on the Touch Dual) but, as previously indicated, has fewer features. I can get over that for alot of browsing but the bigger problem to me is that it is really hard to use Opera Mini's menus on the Diamond as they are so small on the VGA screen (and I chose the option for larger fonts - still too small.)
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sorry for waking up the thread; but have you tried Jblend 3.3.5 java? I think the font is OK on medium with that one.

Opera vs IE
I used Opera Mobile exclusively on my Q9H and much preferred it to IE. However, on my Diamond (US unlocked GSM) I do not like the minimal settings control options available for display. That must be an HTC overlay thing linked to the touch. I cannot get the windows in Opera to render in an easily useable format. With IE all the usual flexibility is there and I get excellent "fit to screen" displays in either landscape or portrait (thanks to Gravitator 2)... and it's not too slow.
I know I can zoom with the touch in Opera, but I am having to constantly fiddle with it to get usable displays. Am I missing something obvious? Maybe I should download a stand alone Opera Mobile and try that?
Meanwhile, I await the work on modding TF3D so I can change the link on the slider page to IE.

yea i really do agree with you, considering the power of the device there is no stable + quick way to browse the internet and it really annoys me
This is a bad comparison i know, but i've got an ipod touch and their safari browser is stable + smooth, which is how ours should be.
Its sad to say that even PIE or PIE Plus aren't even as smooth. Maybe opera will get their act together and make it quicker after all they have some nice hardware to code it around!

omarnone said:
Stock Opera is way too slow,is anybody using Operamini 4 ? I used to use this on my Tilt phone and 10 time's faster!!
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Are we talking about Opera 9.5 (beta): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=435351&highlight=opera&page=3. It is significantly faster than the one came with the original stock.

Uninstall Opera Browser?

Hi!
Anyone know how I can uninstall Opera Browser? I really hate it and don't want it on my phone!
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Dezent

) what's the problem dude? why in the world would you do that? it's purley awesome... or do you prefer PIE? )

I hate IE to.. But it's better then Opera ...

DezentSwe said:
I hate IE to.. But it's better then Opera ...
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I have to agree with you on that m8, I'm really starting to hate opera. Where can I get PIE from?

sony007 said:
I have to agree with you on that m8, I'm really starting to hate opera. Where can I get PIE from?
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From your phone. It's not removed...

Oh

Ok, is there any reason why i can't seem to connect to logmein web page using opera or ie?

yea...they should've made one browser..ie and opera together...havin problems with opera on my mobile too...everytime i rotate the screen to landscape mode...it minimizes:/...neone know a fix?n where can i download the latest version of opera?mayb updatin it will fix the problem...

I'm not sure if there is an update. I believe we already have Opera Mobile 9.5 (beta), which Opera lists as the current one.
But, if you don't care for the default Opera interface, perhaps you should try Opera Mini?
http://www.opera.com/mini/
For info on the differences between Mobile and Mini:
http://www.opera.com/products/choose/

I have to admit that i find Opera Mobile a hassle sometimes. Adding that the data-charges on my subscription is quite substantial I often use opera mini, wich really is getting good these days.

Still looking for the answer. I really liked Opera on previous devices, but really don't care for it on the Diamond. I don't care for the UI, or lack thereof, and the Favorites is a mess. Zooming and panning is a nice feature, but having to constantly adjust to get a decently rendered page is a pain. PIE is much better for me on the Diamond. Better/familiar user controls and better rendering.
I do have IE on a soft key, but programs that auto switch to the browser still call Opera as the default. Opera also eats a big chunk of phone memory. I have tried the 9.5 Beta and it's some better, but not much and does not delete the existing Opera.
So back to the original question...anybody know how to uninstall Opera and change the System defaults to PIE?
Thanks

JRMX said:
Still looking for the answer.
So back to the original question...anybody know how to uninstall Opera and change the System defaults to PIE?
Thanks
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I would like to know also

omg
10wtfs

Which Opera version?

There are so many Opera versions out there...
The one I have been using 15316. Before that I was using some other version, I can't remember which.
Anyway, I am tired of this flipping the screen upside down everytime I exit it (in landscape).
Which is the best version to use on a Tilt?

SaltyDawg said:
There are so many Opera versions out there...
The one I have been using 15316. Before that I was using some other version, I can't remember which.
Anyway, I am tired of this flipping the screen upside down everytime I exit it (in landscape).
Which is the best version to use on a Tilt?
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I was using Opera 9.5 beta 2, and hated the whole widget mess that they created, so I rolled back to beta 1. So far no complaints.

TelloMan said:
I was using Opera 9.5 beta 2, and hated the whole widget mess that they created, so I rolled back to beta 1. So far no complaints.
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Where can I get it? What is the build number?

Just a tip, build 15233 ripped from the Omnia worked very well in the short time I used it. There was no screen flipping problem, and it was very stable. It also supported zooming by sliding your finger on the side of the screen. I think the real reason I stopped using it was there was some kind of text reflow issue when you zoomed it though. It has no widgets, although it installs a shortcut to the non-existent widgets, so you need to delete it.
However, I currently use NFSFan's build 15316, which I like due to its 10 tab support and speed. However, as a trade off, it suffers from the screen flipping problem if you minimize it or touch the taskbar while using it. And I definitely agree with TelloMan about the widgets, they just waste space and annoy me. Try to keep looking around XDA, especially in Development and Hacking (where I found many opera builds).
Dave

Yeah, NSFan's 15316 is the one I'm using now. The screen flipping is driving me crazy.
It's hard to believe there isn't one decent browser for Windows Mobile. Anyone know what's going on with that Firefox Mobile?

you're referring to "Minimo" by Mozilla. I haven't seen or heard much lately from them. There's some opera builds are fairly close to perfection depending on what irritates you the least amount. Too bad none of them has flash working perfectly yet. If I had to choose 2 browsers for WM, it would be netfront and opera mobile

well... call me heretic, but imho for casual browsing and forums the best one is opera mini and if I need to use my bank's web page or anything more complicated iexplorer is reliable enough. additionally, I have skyfire installed on my memcard just to make sure that I can browse whatever I want.
the answer? opera mini and skyfire in my opinion. I am tired of o.mobile bugs and new builds every few days/weeks.

Actually, I think he is referring to Fennec, not minimo. Minimo was horrible and requires very high specs, while Fennec, which is still in alpha/early beta, is very unstable yet very promising. It will be quite a while before it will be really usable. I would just stick to opera mobile for now. Skyfire works well, but isn't 100% stable. Opera mini is fast, but not full featured.
As I said, Fennec is very promising, but it is extremely unstable and VGA only for now.
Dave

bronx said:
well... call me heretic, but imho for casual browsing and forums the best one is opera mini and if I need to use my bank's web page or anything more complicated iexplorer is reliable enough. additionally, I have skyfire installed on my memcard just to make sure that I can browse whatever I want.
the answer? opera mini and skyfire in my opinion. I am tired of o.mobile bugs and new builds every few days/weeks.
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I agree about Mini i use it for pretty much everything then for sensitive info use Mobile.
"I like fast pages and come from SP stock so used to the Mini approach"

I used to get annoyed by the text flipping, but Manila2D always corrects the screen back to portrait when you hit the homescreen. I've been using that as my bandaid.

Build 15233 is yummy
DaveTheTytnIIGuy said:
Just a tip, build 15233 ripped from the Omnia worked very well in the short time I used it. There was no screen flipping problem, and it was very stable. It also supported zooming by sliding your finger on the side of the screen.
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Dave
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Like Dave was, I just got build 15233 running per the instructions at
http://www.smartphonemag.com/cms/blog/9/tutorial-everything-you-need-know-about-flash-lite-3-and-playing-back-flash-web-videos
and it is by far the best browser experience I've had on my Tilt yet. Flash even worked on http://www.spezzo.com.
It isn't very fast, but compared to IE and the first Minimo, this actually WORKS. I can switch from mobile versions to desktop versions, zoom and scroll, and it uses my IE favorites.
AT&T Tilt
Windows Mobile 6.1 (Build 19199.dutty's)
Thanks XDA good guys!