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I understand that currently it cannot be relocked on it has been unlocked. But I would like to know why if anyone knows?
Would it be possible in the future?
And is there anyone working on this now?
There is no real reason to want to work on figuring it out.
The only reason would be to cheat on your warranty. And HTC is actually honoring all the hardware related warranty cases.
So no good reason to re-lock, and thus no real reason for devs to work hard on figuring it out.
Mine can be
Obviously that doesn't help you much though. To be able to lock it again, you need to know how to set S-OFF, which is something that (as it stands) can't be done.
Just wondering but if HTC honors the warranty on a phone with unlocked bootloader, why do the 2 different guides to rooting say one will void warranty (unlocking bootloader) and one will preserve the warranty (the one-click app)?
By law HTC can refuse to support but they are supporting for some strange reason. The disclaimers are there to warn that HTC could stop supporting at any time if they see unlocked bootloaders.
I think re-locking the bootloader is quite possible... the only problem at this point is... we don't know how... it could be a software or hardware hook, but ATM, no one knows...
And I don't believe anyone is eagerly trying to find this since HTC seems to be honouring hardware warranty even with unlocked bootloaders...
It is the price of doing business
Once the boot-loader is unlocked you can do things to your phone like over-clock the cpu or run the flash at super-bright for hours. In other words, you can do things that could damage your phone that would not be HTC's fault ... therefore they shouldn't be held liable.
So instead of just locking the phone down like most of the phones out there, HTC/Google give you a choice: Stay stock or unlock with one command. If you choose to unlock they they don't have to honour their warranty because you could be doing bad things to your phone.
The fact that they give us the choice is one of the reasons I bought this phone. The fact that they are honouring the warranties even when you unlock is extra nice of them.
Long story short: Unlocking is a sign that you've been messing with your phone and that is all it is. It is irreversible by design and there is no reason to reverse it.
It is not irreversable by design, HTC can do it.
Besides, unlocking the bootloader is not a pre-requiste to any of the things you listed above anymore (aside from FRG33 users, anyway).
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It is not irreversable by design, HTC can do it.
Besides, unlocking the bootloader is not a pre-requiste to any of the things you listed above anymore (aside from FRG33 users, anyway).
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My money is on a special hardware device that HTC uses that force-flashes the entire rom on the phone. With out the special hardware, I am betting there is no way to do it.
But like others said, who cares. There is no point in putting effort in to something so irrelevant.
That's what I assumed, 'til I noticed my phone was S-OFF after being repaired.
Looks like something along those lines, just got my device back yesterday from having the power button fixed and its locked again. now that we have one click root i can now load CM6 without unlocking it again.
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...The only reason would be to cheat on your warranty. And HTC is actually honoring all the hardware related warranty cases...
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They aren't honouring it for me, my mic and speaker have ceased to work, and they have flat out refused to even deal with me, because I have an unlocked bootloader
Yeah thee only reason would be to cheat my warranty. but im glad to here that HTC has been honoring a lot of your guy's warranty's anyways.
To be honest a lot of manufactures dont fix the product, they just give you a new one anyways. so they made not even notice. right now im having a hardware issue with the trackball (i bought it on eBay :[ ) and i want to send it in but idk if i should??
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They aren't honouring it for me, my mic and speaker have ceased to work, and they have flat out refused to even deal with me, because I have an unlocked bootloader
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Sorry to hear, for me it never came up as a question. With you, since both are broken they probably assumed it was caused by software and wrote you off.
I would say keep trying they should be at least let you send it in, and then let you know if it truly is out of your warranty and give you a price to fix.
New phone :d
Called HTC and got some of the best customer service of my life. Told them my trackball wasnt working properly anymore and they are sending me a brand new phone with next day shipping. Never asked once about it being unlocked.
So it seems as you guys are right, as long as it isnt an issue that could be caused my unlocking and messing with you phone they will still honor your warranty.
BEST THING THO...I get to keep the battery, and i bought my phone used for 450 and now im getting a brand new phone
Just so you know OP. I unlocked my Boot loader, but my phone had hardware problems. So I called them, they said they would send out a replacement, next day I cancelled it for reasons I am not going to get into detail over. Well they replacement arrived and my card hold was realized, so I got two nexus's Think I am going to call them and still send the bad one back anyways though.
Moral HTC is has superb warranty!
I have owned almost all nexus devices and some samsung, but i fall in love with the One. I read through some forum topics and the HTCDEV site and none of it was clear. If i unlock the bootloader all warrianty is void? I hope i am just misunderstood something. Unlocking the bootloader was never a problem with nexus or samsung devices why htc is making such a fuss about it? Please someone tell me i just misread stg.
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I have owned almost all nexus devices and some samsung, but i fall in love with the One. I read through some forum topics and the HTCDEV site and none of it was clear. If i unlock the bootloader all warrianty is void? I hope i am just misunderstood something. Unlocking the bootloader was never a problem with nexus or samsung devices why htc is making such a fuss about it? Please someone tell me i just misread stg.
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just like when you root warranty is void same with all manufactures
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I have owned almost all nexus devices and some samsung, but i fall in love with the One. I read through some forum topics and the HTCDEV site and none of it was clear. If i unlock the bootloader all warrianty is void? I hope i am just misunderstood something. Unlocking the bootloader was never a problem with nexus or samsung devices why htc is making such a fuss about it? Please someone tell me i just misread stg.
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I'm not sure about nexus, but I assure you it is exactly the same with Samsung. I have owned many Samsung phones in the past. Unlocking your bootloader, on practically any manufacturers device will void your warranty. The HTC One Development edition ships with an unlocked bootloader, maybe try that?
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just like when you root warranty is void same with all manufactures
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That is not true.
Nexus devices can be restored to factory settings with showing no signs of modifications. I have got nexus 7 replaced with faulty usb, and galaxy s3 with screen problems all had custom firmware before. Yes there you will have a yellow triangle, if you used no stock kernel, but you can easly remove that, going back to manufacturer state. And i asked asus if open bootloader is a problem for RMA as i cannot relock with the faulty usb they said why would it be?
sad to hear htc is different.. I want that one, but this is giving me second thoughts...
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That is not true.
Nexus devices can be restored to factory settings with showing no signs of modifications. I have got nexus 7 replaced with faulty usb, and galaxy s3 with screen problems all had custom firmware before. Yes there you will have a yellow triangle, if you used no stock kernel, but you can easly remove that, going back to manufacturer state. And i asked asus if open bootloader is a problem for RMA as i cannot relock with the faulty usb they said why would it be?
sad to hear htc is different.. I want that one, but this is giving me second thoughts...
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It is true. Just because you can revert it doesn't mean it's not originally voided. If say your LED screen died and you sent it for warranty and you had no way to run triangle away due to that and they saw it, you would be getting a bill.
The only way to save your warranty on this device is s-off and that's not yet available.
If you don't like it go to the Samsung S4 which has such a locked down bootloader only one dev has achieved it and still hasn't released how he did it. So no root at all over there.
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Your entire warranty is NOT voided due to unlocking or rooting. What DOES happen is your placed under more scrutiny and you have voided the warranty to things you can adversely affect.
For instance:
You rooted and your camera ceases to function or your LED flash dies. Your covered. I wouldn't recommend sending it in running a ROM, stock would ensure they can fix and test it.
Your rooted and your screen dies. You are covered.
Your rooted and the entire phone dies out of the blue. You would be under scrutiny regarding it and they would examine it to see if something you did caused the failure. If it is purely hardware related then you should be covered, otherwise your liable.
This same situation is what people who mod cars have had to fight against (and won). How does an exhaust modification cause a window failure? Or how does a custom head unit cause an engine failure.
There has to be a direct unarguable connection between your modification and the failure, I just had this happen with my Galaxy Nexus. It died completely and it was modified to high heaven. They knew it was unlocked but it wasn't the cause of the failure so it was fixed under warranty.
And BTW when you unlock your Nexus device it shows the exact same warning that the HTC unlocker software shows.
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And BTW when you unlock your Nexus device it shows the exact same warning that the HTC unlocker software shows.
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It does not true. Check the images i attached. And if you read through the google site on the nexus it does not say any connection between the warrianty and unlocking the bootloader. Seems like every htc owner thinks other manufacturers have the same policy on bootloaders...
and altimax98 i just read a thread that htc refused tu replace a screen with yellow spots because of unlocked bootloader here is the thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1631466
I would love the HTC One as it is the most beautiful device i have ever seen but to keep it stok to have warrianty...
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It does not true. Check the images i attached. And if you read through the google site on the nexus it does not say any connection between the warrianty and unlocking the bootloader. Seems like every htc owner thinks other manufacturers have the same policy on bootloaders...
and altimax98 i just read a thread that htc refused tu replace a screen with yellow spots because of unlocked bootloader here is the thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1631466
I would love the HTC One as it is the most beautiful device i have ever seen but to keep it stok to have warrianty...
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dude you need to do more research. samsung.htc.motorola.apple.lg,and google all say the same thing rooting,installing custom firmware, and unlocking bootloader may void warranty. if its not a manufacture defect they wont replace it. ive owned all of them and the message is always the same. it would be crazy for a company to sell you something with warranty and say do whatever you want with it and we will warranty for you
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dude you need to do more research. samsung.htc.motorola.apple.lg,and google all say the same thing rooting,installing custom firmware, and unlocking bootloader may void warranty. if its not a manufacture defect they wont replace it. ive owned all of them and the message is always the same. it would be crazy for a company to sell you something with warranty and say do whatever you want with it and we will warranty for you
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Um no it wouldn't. It would be crazy to sell a product and say you rooted that caused the defect. I have dealt with HTC and have sent many phones to them unlocked rooted with custom software and have not had any problem ever. Also please take a look at my signature had to make it to try and combat all the WRONG info out there. This is the USA we have rights when people care to inform themselves of them!
Also note how they always say "may void warranty" what they are really saying is if you do not know your rights we will be more than happy to screw you over as we are corporate and don't care about you at all.
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Um no it wouldn't. It would be crazy to sell a product and say you rooted that caused the defect. I have dealt with HTC and have sent many phones to them unlocked rooted with custom software and have not had any problem ever. Also please take a look at my signature had to make it to try and combat all the WRONG info out there. This is the USA we have rights when people care to inform themselves of them!
Also note how they always say "may void warranty" what they are really saying is if you do not know your rights we will be more than happy to screw you over as we are corporate and don't care about you at all.
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Exactly, they also use 'may void warranty' because there is no way they could make a comprehensive list of all the possible things that could void it. May is safety net of sorts to do exactly what nullkill said
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dude you need to do more research. samsung.htc.motorola.apple.lg,and google all say the same thing rooting,installing custom firmware, and unlocking bootloader may void warranty. if its not a manufacture defect they wont replace it. ive owned all of them and the message is always the same. it would be crazy for a company to sell you something with warranty and say do whatever you want with it and we will warranty for you
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So i am happy that HTC does not manufacure my notebook ... As i could not live without root acces as a developer And all say the same thing? Where do you get that info i just read through the Nexus 4 warrianty manual plus checked the unlock screen again and it never mentions that i loose warrianty with unlock not in the 106 pages of the manual not on the unlock sreen i cared to paste in the previous post of me. So i think i did my part of research... you did not.. check 46 do you see any mention of the bootloader? check the unlock screen i pasted in the last post of me? Do you see any mention of voiding my warrianty? I dont... So please point me out where it is stated that unlocking the nexus 4 bootloader voids the warrianty!
http://www.lg.com/us/support-mobile/lg-LGE960
And i am sad because of that "may" i am not sure they can lawfully say that. May is not specific. In a contract you cant use the word may...
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Um no it wouldn't. It would be crazy to sell a product and say you rooted that caused the defect. I have dealt with HTC and have sent many phones to them unlocked rooted with custom software and have not had any problem ever. Also please take a look at my signature had to make it to try and combat all the WRONG info out there. This is the USA we have rights when people care to inform themselves of them!
Also note how they always say "may void warranty" what they are really saying is if you do not know your rights we will be more than happy to screw you over as we are corporate and don't care about you at all.
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i dont think you understood what i was trying to say. i you do something that messes something up with the phone then its on you. if its something that fails on the phone that had nothing to do with custom software then they have to fix it. but you take the risk that if you brick it or something like that you foot the bill not the company.
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i dont think you understood what i was trying to say. i you do something that messes something up with the phone then its on you. if its something that fails on the phone that had nothing to do with custom software then they have to fix it. but you take the risk that if you brick it or something like that you foot the bill not the company.
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But as i read through lost of thread seems like this is not the case. Sometimes htc refuses to cover obious hardware defects because of unlocked bootloader.. Yes you can kill harware with software but it is not that easy... yes you can overclock and you can raise the voltage, but if there is too much heat the cpu will starts throttling or even reboot, yes you can overvrite the bootloader with 0-s etc etc, but a simple root should not void your warrianty as it does not do on a notebook. my phone is faster then my wifes netbook why i cannot "own" the two devices the same way, both have cellular data and everything... almost same devices on harware side.
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So i am happy that HTC does not manufacure my notebook ... As i could not live without root acces as a developer And all say the same thing? Where do you get that info i just read through the Nexus 4 warrianty manual plus checked the unlock screen again and it never mentions that i loose warrianty with unlock not in the 106 pages of the manual not on the unlock sreen i cared to paste in the previous post of me. So i think i did my part of research... you did not.. check 46 do you see any mention of the bootloader? check the unlock screen i pasted in the last post of me? Do you see any mention of voiding my warrianty? I dont... So please point me out where it is stated that unlocking the nexus 4 bootloader voids the warrianty!
http://www.lg.com/us/support-mobile/lg-LGE960
And i am sad because of that "may" i am not sure they can lawfully say that. May is not specific. In a contract you cant use the word may...
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obviously you didnt read this manual you just want to sound smart, but here it is right at the begining and both of your picks say something about voiding the warranty
Only authorized personnel should service the
phone and its accessories. Faulty installation
or service may result in accidents and
consequently invalidate the warranty.
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obviously you didnt read this manual you just want to sound smart, but here it is right at the begining and both of your picks say something about voiding the warranty
Only authorized personnel should service the
phone and its accessories. Faulty installation
or service may result in accidents and
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I read and that is about hardware installation not software smart guy... i am not covered if i try to replace the screen at home... you clearly have problem of understanding written text. Read it more carefully out loudly then you may understand it
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i dont think you understood what i was trying to say. i you do something that messes something up with the phone then its on you. if its something that fails on the phone that had nothing to do with custom software then they have to fix it. but you take the risk that if you brick it or something like that you foot the bill not the company.
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Yes you are very correct.
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But as i read through lost of thread seems like this is not the case. Sometimes htc refuses to cover obious hardware defects because of unlocked bootloader.. Yes you can kill harware with software but it is not that easy... yes you can overclock and you can raise the voltage, but if there is too much heat the cpu will starts throttling or even reboot, yes you can overvrite the bootloader with 0-s etc etc, but a simple root should not void your warrianty as it does not do on a notebook. my phone is faster then my wifes netbook why i cannot "own" the two devices the same way, both have cellular data and everything... almost same devices on harware side.
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You can but people do not know and assert their rights. I don't bother telling HTC my devices are unlocked or rooted I just state the problem and steps I have taken to fix it like a factory reset or whatever. HTC and every other company would love to invalidate as many warranties as possible it saves them money but you have to know what your rights are to assert them. The idea that rooting or bootloader unlocking or changing software in any way voids warranty is just plain crazy and in the USA we are legally protected from such craziness.
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The idea that rooting or bootloader unlocking or changing software in any way voids warranty is just plain crazy and in the USA we are legally protected from such craziness.
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I feel the same way as an electrical and software engineer, but seems like it is a lottery and it they refuse to repair you can try to threaten them by telling them you will go to court, but that is not how it should work. And it is not how it is working with nexus devices as i can tell from my own experience. Thank you for your answers you seem like someone realy into this topic It made me a little less frustrated, but i still not know if i will jump on the htc bandwagon or not... I will try to contact the local htc service next week and will ask their opinion on the problem.
I think the keywords are "May void your warranty" so HTC can decide whether or not to cover you. I have had HTC devices and it's always a risk a person has to take with unlocking the bootloader. HTC using "May void your warranty" simple covers them, so it's up to them if they will cover it or not.
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I read and that is about hardware installation not software smart guy... i am not covered if i try to replace the screen at home... you clearly have problem of understanding written text. Read it more carefully out loudly then you may understand it
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really? it says nothing about hardware or software it just says installation which if you have ever dealt with contracts before its vague for a reason. i thought you started this thread for help in resolving something. seems to me that you already know everything and started this thread to boost your ego. not for help and opinions from other members who have dealt with these companys numerous times before.
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I feel the same way as an electrical and software engineer, but seems like it is a lottery and it they refuse to repair you can try to threaten them by telling them you will go to court, but that is not how it should work. And it is not how it is working with nexus devices as i can tell from my own experience. Thank you for your answers you seem like someone realy into this topic It made me a little less frustrated, but i still not know if i will jump on the htc bandwagon or not... I will try to contact the local htc service next week and will ask their opinion on the problem.
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I agree with you that it's crazy how these companies try and operate. On the Nexus side I am sure you can find reports of people sending in devices that were unlocked and them not honoring the warranty the thing that helped us (with samsung too) is we can remove all traces of what we did :highfive:. Which the fact we have to do that is a bit crazy. In a perfect world companies would honor consumer protection laws and they would be better enforced. I only know about this crap as I'm a cell phone addict longest I've had a device in the last 3 years is maybe 6 months I just can't help it. I'm trying to be good and stick with the ONE as HTC have always tended to be my favorite.
The reason I have faith in HTC is I sent a International HTC One X into HTC USA. First they didn't care it was a international model (try that with sammy and they will laugh at you). Second this was one of the very first One X's so it had the wifi/gps issue very very badly. It was originally a black unit but I didn't like that so I bought a white case and swapped it out. When doing that I discovered the attempted fixes to the wifi antenna. It looked like someone who was a hobbyist at best had solder little metal leads to make better contact with the antenna and it looked horrible. Well I sent that sucker in with the white case and what do you know HTC didn't say anything about the board being soldered on or the fact the case was white. I had told them the phone had been in for repair at carrier before and it helped but then the issue came back (I have no idea what happened to this phone as I was at least the 3rd person who it passed through it's now got a nice home with my friend still going perfect) and now it was acting up again. Not saying everyone will have this luck but if you are smart use your brain and know as much as possible it should help.
Hi,
I am sorry if this common knowledge around here, but it took me a while to find so I thought it might be worth posting this info here.
I am considering rooting just so that I can save large files from games to my sd card, I was worried about this knox thing (never had a Samsung before) and voiding my warranty just so I can do this.
I have found the following post that seems to confirm that rooting alone DOES NOT void your warranty if you are in the UK, regardless of what happens to Knox...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1998801
This forum is obviously international and this just applies to the EU, but I thought it worth posting if it helps others like it helped me.
WARNING!!!
Before you unknowingly get people into bad situation you might want to consider this post as-well. Your link is very old and has been refused on several instances. Basically has not created any useful precedence to my knowledge.
Also KNOX put a whole new spin on the issue.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=45570695&postcount=4
I posted it before in one of the topic, but Im gonna repost again.
Regarding this topic discussed and this EU directive, I contacted both, Samsung Latvia, aswell as Consumer Rights Protection Centre.
In short - Samsung still stands on its warranty card, saying that rooting will void the warranty.
CRPC States, that they take sides with Samsung. Because they have such point in warranty, they cannot "protect me".
So only way something would change in Latvia (its in EU) is, if I would take Samsung to court telling that, the "rooting voids warranty" point in their warranty card is against EU rules (or w/e rules) and court would agree on me. No way Im doing that
Whats unofficial way of dealing against KNOX 0x1 when you take your phone to warranty service center is different story. Sometimes they might just fix your phone under warranty and reset the fuse (Like it was sayd in different post). Just dont count on that.
Hmmm, thanks,
This looks to be a very complex area, I was not meaning to mislead and I apologise if that's what has happened.
There looks to be a lot of concussion over who the warranty is actually with, either EE (in my case) or Samsung. I have to admit I don't understand the difference, if there is some law that states that the phone should be covered by the warranty, then what does it matter who it is with?
Has there been no precedent of someone having their phone rooted and still having it covered under warranty?
i also don't understand why Knox changed things? My understanding from reading some Samsung press is that Knox is designed for business platforms where the 'one device for work and home' idea can be supported by corporations it departments to make sure the devices are safe. It's disappointing that this same technology prevents personal users from doing what we want with our phones.
i appreciate that all I am trying to do is save large files (in this case for games) is a google policy change, not Samsung, but if rooting is the only way that I can utilise the expansion that the SD offers then it's also disappointing that this would void my warranty?!
I understand the 'root voids warranty' that is plastered all over can, but am just asking...
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I do not understand why even the warranty is lost just because I got root??? whether it is this or that Samsung or HTC or some other mobile.
I find it this is an old primitive law.
For me it means: root = admin
Fo example: I'm admin on my PC with Win7 and I still do have warranty for all my coponents or?
Just try to imagine you loose warranty for your motherboard or graphik card cos you have admin rights. lol
A S5 is for me like an PC that I can use how I want it to.
In Sweden we have a nice law for the consumer.
Warranty is totally optional. Samsung voids the warranty when rooting but we have something called "reklamationsrätt".
This forces the seller (not Samsung) to fix the phone (factory faults) within 3 years from purchase. The store has to solve the problem with Samsung (not our problem).
http://www.hallakonsument.se/other-languages/other-languages/english-engelska1/consumer-sales-act/
"During the first six months after the purchase, it is up to the seller to prove that the fault did not exist when the good was first purchased. When more than six months have passed after the purchase, the onus is upon you as the purchaser, to prove that the fault existed from the very beginning.
According to the Consumer Sales Act, your right to complain expires three years after you received the good. This applies to goods and services you purchased on that day or later. The product may have a guarantee period shorter than three years, but this does not shorten the complaint period according to the act."
Burden of proof is much higher for businesses compared to the consumer.
We really don't need the warranty here.
It is always optional for the seller to provide guarantees. They can't negotiate their way around "reklamationsrätten" regulated in the consumer purchases act. IT'S THE LAW!
Read about warranty here:
http://www.hallakonsument.se/other-languages/other-languages/english-engelska1/warranties/
So, if they can't prove that the fault is caused by root, they can't deny us to get it fixes. After the six months they will still fix obvious errors that can not be explained by root or bad use. As I said, the burden of proof is much lower for the consumer.
Other countries could have laws like this? At least within EU?
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I understand why Samsung voids the warranty. Samsung can't be held responsible for problems with the software on the phone if you have modified it. Then it is not something that Samsung want's to waste money on to fix. It's your problem.
Orka82 said:
In Sweden we have a nice law for the consumer.
Warranty is totally optional. Samsung voids the warranty when rooting but we have something called "reklamationsrätt".
This forces the seller (not Samsung) to fix the phone (factory faults) within 3 years from purchase. The store has to solve the problem with Samsung (not our problem).
http://www.konsumentverket.se/otherlanguages/English/Consumer-rights/Defective-goodsComplaint-/
"During the first six months after the purchase, it is up to the seller to prove that the fault did not exist when the good was first purchased. When more than six months have passed after the purchase, the onus is upon you as the purchaser, to prove that the fault existed from the very beginning.
According to the Consumer Purchases Act, your right to complain expires three years after you received the good. This applies to goods and services you purchased on that day or later. The product may have a guarantee period shorter than three years, but this does not shorten the complaint period according to the act."
Burden of proof is much higher for businesses compared to the consumer.
We really don't need the warranty here.
It is always optional for the seller to provide guarantees. They can't negotiate their way around "reklamationsrätten" regulated in the consumer purchases act. IT'S THE LAW!
Read about warranty here:
http://www.konsumentverket.se/otherlanguages/English/Consumer-rights/Guarantee/
So, if they can't prove that the fault is caused by root, they can't deny us to get it fixes. After the six months they will still fix obvious errors that can not be explained by root or bad use. As I said, the burden of proof is much lower for the consumer.
Other countries could have laws like this? At least within EU?
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I understand why Samsung voids the warranty. Samsung can't be held responsible for problems with the software on the phone if you have modified it. Then it is not something that Samsung want's to waste money on to fix. It's your problem.
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Nice post. I can't understand why they can't just void the software side of warranty...
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Nice post. I can't understand why they can't just void the software side of warranty...
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I rooted my Galaxy S 5 the second day I got it but that was my choice and whenever you root your device you must realise the minute something goes wrong it is your own responsibility to fix it. The software in an android phone is responsible for a lot of aspects considering hardware like managing how hot and fast the cpu is, how your light works, your file system etc. The hardware is designed in a very specific manner and is set to run in a specific manner, when you root your phone you can change all that. You can force the hardware to run in "untested" ways so Samsung and other mobile manufacturers will not support when things go wrong because you use the phone in the way it wasn't designed to do.
I wouldn't go jumping on the rooting bandwagon if you're unsure about anything. I'd say do your research first and ask yourself why you want to root and also ask yourself are you going to be able to afford to fix it when things go wrong? I rooted my phone to change how my phone looks and get rid of things I don't need. Just remember when you root you cannot expect to receive help from the manufacturer when it goes wrong.
gareth261987 said:
I rooted my Galaxy S 5 the second day I got it but that was my choice and whenever you root your device you must realise the minute something goes wrong it is your own responsibility to fix it. The software in an android phone is responsible for a lot of aspects considering hardware like managing how hot and fast the cpu is, how your light works, your file system etc. The hardware is designed in a very specific manner and is set to run in a specific manner, when you root your phone you can change all that. You can force the hardware to run in "untested" ways so Samsung and other mobile manufacturers will not support when things go wrong because you use the phone in the way it wasn't designed to do.
I wouldn't go jumping on the rooting bandwagon if you're unsure about anything. I'd say do your research first and ask yourself why you want to root and also ask yourself are you going to be able to afford to fix it when things go wrong? I rooted my phone to change how my phone looks and get rid of things I don't need. Just remember when you root you cannot expect to receive help from the manufacturer when it goes wrong.
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Im thinking about PC and Windows. Its responsible for the same stuff. If you want, you can cook your PC in breakfeast... But still - I have full access on my computer, I want same things on my phone. And it shouldnt void the warranty...
Stiflerlv said:
Im thinking about PC and Windows. Its responsible for the same stuff. If you want, you can cook your PC in breakfeast... But still - I have full access on my computer, I want same things on my phone. And it shouldnt void the warranty...
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the computer is still more robust in that sense, also if you deleted files from windows which you shouldn't delete then the manufacturer would not fix it for free. If you fried the motherboard due to over clocking your computer that too wouldn't be covered by warranty. Now am not defending the manufacturers but with the amount of people that brick phones or root without knowing what they're doing would cost a lot of money to rectify.
Stiflerlv said:
Im thinking about PC and Windows. Its responsible for the same stuff. If you want, you can cook your PC in breakfeast... But still - I have full access on my computer, I want same things on my phone. And it shouldnt void the warranty...
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the computer is still more robust in that sense, also if you deleted files from windows which you shouldn't delete then the manufacturer would not fix it for free. If you fried the motherboard due to over clocking your computer that too wouldn't be covered by warranty. Now am not defending the manufacturers but with the amount of people that brick phones or root without knowing what they're doing would cost a lot of money to rectify.
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and I would never go for service center just because of software glitch... Reinstall and move on. Same goes for Phones. Its normal if they wouldnt cover software problems with rooted phones, and approch same way you can apporch computers - reinstall -> test -> give back.
For people who had bootloop and requested replacement handset from Tmobile under their warranty, were your handsets rooted/installed with custom roms?
Reason I ask is because while rooting voids the warranty, how would Tmobile know if you rooted if your phone doesn't boot?
I'm debating on whether to root or not, and whether it really affects Tmobile's replacement policy under warranty.
lilpetamoix said:
For people who had bootloop and requested replacement handset from Tmobile under their warranty, were your handsets rooted/installed with custom roms?
Reason I ask is because while rooting voids the warranty, how would Tmobile know if you rooted if your phone doesn't boot?
I'm debating on whether to root or not, and whether it really affects Tmobile's replacement policy under warranty.
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Hi, to answer your question rooting in general wouldnt affect a hardware issue because the bootloop has nothing to do with the rooting process, Rooting simply allows you to access software that has been locked down by tmobile and lg that they do not wan you messing with rooting is strictly a software based process, However if you start using custom kernels (core of the os) to overclock and or overvolt your processor then you may have an issue but because its not strictly related I think that LG would most likely fix the issue given they are aware of it. Also you can always unroot the device as for the bootloop issue it is a hardware related issue it will be covered. You can't warranty software under any circumstances because no software is 100% bug free. I hope this helps
i've sent multiple phones in that i've bricked. just take it in to a store and act dumb. "i don't know what happened. it just won't boot." respond negative on all questions regarding water damage, etc. They will return it for you, offer to give you a loaner device until the warranty replacement arrives within a couple of business days. It's relatively painless.
worked for me!
I returned my phone with no problem. I had an unlocked bootloader that displayed a message on the boot screen. They asked about it and they didn't seem to care. Apparently they've dealt with it enough that they knew it was a hardware problem and I got my phone the next day.
considering rooting (rooted every device prior), but have always had carrier insurance which included warranty as long as there's no liquid or physical damage.
Having bought this device full price, and the one year of geeksquad damage insurance, I was curious if they care about root / ROMs, or if they even ask about it.
Also, with Motorola. If let's say the speaker goes out, are ALL warranties voided by unlocking bootloader, or only software?
Thanks!
slaytanic said:
considering rooting (rooted every device prior), but have always had carrier insurance which included warranty as long as there's no liquid or physical damage.
Having bought this device full price, and the one year of geeksquad damage insurance, I was curious if they care about root / ROMs, or if they even ask about it.
Also, with Motorola. If let's say the speaker goes out, are ALL warranties voided by unlocking bootloader, or only software?
Thanks!
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Why on earth would you buy a warranty on an item that was cheap to begin with? I honestly don't know why people waste their money on warranties at all.
edufur said:
Why on earth would you buy a warranty on an item that was cheap to begin with? I honestly don't know why people waste their money on warranties at all.
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Because I wanted to, and can?. $60 to replace a phone if something happens instead of full price sounds nice to me. Thank you for your informative reply.
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I would like to know this too. I remember reading a post somewhere that unlocking bootloader would void warranty for software defects, but hardware defects would still be covered. Hardware defects is what is holding me back from unlocking bootloader, as I usually unlock my phone right away.
I also heard that it is unlawful for companies to void your warranty. It would be great to hear from someone who is more knowledgeable about this.
That's literally what's holding me back right now. Lol. I've got all the stock software downloaded, and ready to go ?.
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jhedfors said:
I would like to know this too. I remember reading a post somewhere that unlocking bootloader would void warranty for software defects, but hardware defects would still be covered. Hardware defects is what is holding me back from unlocking bootloader, as I usually unlock my phone right away.
I also heard that it is unlawful for companies to void your warranty. It would be great to hear from someone who is more knowledgeable about this.
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According to Motorola support: The warranty on our devices covers both hardware and software issues. If you unlock the bootloader and even if there was an issue before unlocking the bootloader, it will still void the warranty.
I will return my device!
Don't want that limitation