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WM6.5 vs WM6.1

To the ones that tried both OS would you recommend switching from 6.1 to 6.5?
I know 6.5 have a nicer graphic and it is a bit more touch friendly etc. but some chefs said it will never really run as fast as 6.1 on our diamond due probably to the limited amount of memory.
What do you guys think?
Is it better to stick to 6.1 and install finger friendly programs or any other suggestions?

In my personal experience I find 6.1 to be clunky.
I would upgrade to 6.5 if I were you using BSB's rom.

I prefer the slightly more finger friendly feel to WM6.5
also the better more fluid Kinetic scrolling on WM6.5
the whole ram on some roms for WM6.5 is much more stable than WM6.1
and if cooked correctly WM6.1 can be just as fast and ram friendly as WM6.1.
I would say try it, if you don't like it go back to WM6.1, that's the beauty of such a flexible device as windows mobile

i am currently running on 6.1 1.93 official rom.. find it good enough.. very finger friendly to me already since i have not taken out my stylus to use other than occasional hangs and i need to soft reset..

My vote also goes for 6.5
For it is more finger friendly, and for scroll kinetic!
The experience depends on the build version and on the chief that cooked it.
I tried a few and found the best for now is BsB's 6.5Q version witch is 23017 build. Here is a link if you like http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=506533
I tried never builds like 23025, but is very buggy.
BsB's 6.5Q runs smoothly, gives a ~100mb free space and ~50mb free ram!
I'm using Titanium tho not a TF3D!

6.1 makes my PDA look like a pc whie 6.5 makes it look like a phone.

Personally i'd have to go for BSB's 6.5 Titanium. I've gotten bored of TF3D/TF3D2 now and wanted something new to show off about.
Just to snaz it up a bit more i'd recommend using JML Today plugin found here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=540413
Also, JML Today skins are here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=540116

Hi, I am also looking at 6.5, but was wondering, which rom is the fastest and most stable in your opinion, is it BSB's latest one?
Thanks

I like 6.1os more. because I am adjusted to it and thinki it is much better for me to use . you know that the habit is so important . I have tried some times to fit for the6.5os but i find it is complicated though the interface is better.

Thanks for your feedback all, I have installed the latest BsB and it works quite well so far.
I still have to get used to the new menus and such.
I do miss the manila audio player, is there anything out there as good as that one? WMP sucks big time and it is not finger friendly.

peron said:
Thanks for your feedback all, I have installed the latest BsB and it works quite well so far.
I still have to get used to the new menus and such.
I do miss the manila audio player, is there anything out there as good as that one? WMP sucks big time and it is not finger friendly.
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I have done the same, BsB's is good!
I would also like to change WMP, any1 have some ideas?

Why dont you try s2p (slide to play) or CorePlayer...?

Nitrogen is a lot better than those two (imho) but I just decided to go back to 6.1
Maybe when Android is fully ported I'll consider changing OS again.

Agreed
peron said:
Nitrogen is a lot better than those two (imho) but I just decided to go back to 6.1
Maybe when Android is fully ported I'll consider changing OS again.
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Oh... yes. I forgotten that. But I personaly prefer CorePlayer, Which plays almost any media format on earth and supports skining too...

[ROM Request!] WinMo 6.1 with Manila 2.5 Cooked by experienced chef!

I know this has been going around for a while. The whole WinMo 6.1 with Manila 2.5 issue. And I know a lot of people have said it doesn't work. But it does. There have been some concept ROMs made, that use 6.1 with 2.5.
Would it be possible, for one of the more experienced chefs, to try and cook up a ROM that had these two together. While 6.5 is very good now, and it has grown on me a lot, WinMo 6.1 with Manila 2.5, is actually an excellent combination.
I tried outies ROM with this mix, and it was very fast. The only problems, were small bugs that needed someone experienced to fix.
We all know 6.5 is good now. Much better than it was before. But 6.1 is also still excellent. Combined with Manila 2.5, it could be an excellent mix. HTC Sense and 6.1. A great combination. Please think about it chefs. I bet you would be surprised by how many people want to use it.

*sign* i search also a 6.1 with 2.5 manila...

amen to that, I agree completely !

I second this from here to infinity.....but I doubt any chef will take the challenge

Outie's kitchen
Hi,
Outie actually posted the whole kitchen with his ROM, so I am trying to tweak it a bit, something like Mikedomain's ROM. I have got PC2USB popup and Smaberg's action screen working properly, but still struggling with some other issues. If I get it tweaked nicely I will post it and maybe the whole kitchen if people want to play with customising. I won't be able to offer support, however, although I will try. There's a good chance I can't improve it much, because I am completely new to cooking, but it's worth a try.
I won't post anything if I can't make it as good as mikedomain's.
For now I suggest trying his ROM and messing with outie's kitchen if you are brave.
-Oobly

I would only be curious to hear the answer of some serious chef....
Like y ?? .....they waste hours and hours of work on 6.5 roms that will never by any means be as good as 6.1 roms....and for what, a horrible start menu and some kinetic scrolling....if you ask me not worth it...best roms ever are pctech4u, jackx 3.x and touch x by mr.rusch if those had 2.5 on top....that would be....HOT !

darkhalf520 said:
I would only be curious to hear the answer of some serious chef....
Like y ?? .....they waste hours and hours of work on 6.5 roms that will never by any means be as good as 6.1 roms....and for what, a horrible start menu and some kinetic scrolling....if you ask me not worth it...best roms ever are pctech4u, jackx 3.x and touch x by mr.rusch if those had 2.5 on top....that would be....HOT !
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amen

i just cooked a wm6.1-rom with manila 2.5 (german) just to get the experience. I can't really understand why you guys want the old wm back...
the experience was horrible compared to all the wm6.5 roms out there. the only thing i really like in wm6.1 is the drop-down-startmenu. but.....
it is possible to modify the wm6.5 startmenu to show up in list-view (not exactly but nearly 6.1 experience).
What's the real reason you like 6.1 more than 6.5?????
I really can't get it.... ugly themes... scrolling in settings/programs without scrollbar-use etc.......
6.5 is the logical evolution of wm6.1... flashing back now from this horrible 6.1 experience to wm6.5......... never again turning back.......

second to that! there is nothing I like in 6.1, sorry ...wont ever look back

the only reason that i want 6.1 (and use it actually with manila 2.1) ist stability. i have tryed a lot of 6.5 roms and all make me crazy. freezes every day (especelly in standby and charging).

Tastenchef said:
the only reason that i want 6.1 (and use it actually with manila 2.1) ist stability. i have tryed a lot of 6.5 roms and all make me crazy. freezes every day (especelly in standby and charging).
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Like I said in that thread, I never experience standby freeze in 6.5. 6.1 is more responsive but 6.5 has better memory management IMHO.

Well, whatever the reason, people seem to want a 6.1 ROM with manila 2.5 cooked by someone with enough experience to iron out the kinks, me included. In fact I want it so badly I am trying to cook one myself (making some progress, too).
IMHO, 6.5 is slower, less responsive, and has retarded volume key and close app functionality. Some of the latest builds of 6.5 are closing the gap performance-wise and some features are better, but the app closing and volkey functionality are enough to keep me away.
Each to their own, but if all the cooks are cooking 6.5, people who want 6.1 ROMs are left unsatisfied. On that note, there are some chefs cooking 6.1 ROMs, but they all seem to be using manila 2.1. Touch X is a good example of a 6.1 ROM. Fast, stable, looks nice. And it is very popular..... If only Smaberg would come back and cook us a Leo ROM... (sigh).

Exactly as Oobly said !!
How come you guys can't see a reason why we wish for 6.1 with 2.5 manila guys ..... Seems like responsiveness and stability and SPEED are pretty neglected these days....bfff makes me angry

Hello to you all, it can be done, but the time it takes to modify some files to get it to work as it should ain't worth it. And after using 6.1 with 2.5 after a day makes memory go heywire... therefor 6.5 is better, the original ROM for touch pro 2 is the most stable sys build for the x1 but with 2.5 its somewhat slow, but the leo sys build on x1 works better, but with more bugs, so combination is hard, but i recomend the TP2 sys build, with latest LEO xip.
And back to 6.1, as i wrote it can be done quite easy, but you'll need anyone with experience to edit dll files cause it referes to some files that aint in 6.1, all this info came from a source in HTC, so i can't confirm it myself though.
wish you all the luck on this one, i would be glad to help, but without a X1 it would be to hard.

Smaberg its a pity u can't do this.....could you put a nice word for us with MrRusch ??

Oobly said:
IMHO, 6.5 is slower, less responsive, and has retarded volume key and close app functionality.
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What you are describing is 6.5.1 (not 6.5)
HTC volume and close button work the same as 6.1 on 6.5 (just take a look to the official 6.5 rom on Rhodium, or Topaz.

Thanks for your input, Smaberg and Jack!
I know at least HTCScroll_2 isn't compatible with 6.1 and this causes problems in the album and I am sure I will find more. In this case we can use an older version of album, but then you can't save pictures as footprints. It's a long road, but worth a try. I am certainly gaining respect for the experienced chefs!
Maybe official 6.5 is good enough, but I have already started down this road and I believe the performance will be better on 6.1 still. Will have to see.
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ROM seems to be usable now.. some small issues, but nothing huge so far (no hangs / manila restarts, etc.) Maybe I will post what I have done so far this evening or tomorrow if I can get it uploaded somewhere. I need to do some tweaks still....
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Oobly said:
Thanks for your input, Smaberg and Jack!
I know at least HTCScroll_2 isn't compatible with 6.1 and this causes problems in the album and I am sure I will find more. In this case we can use an older version of album, but then you can't save pictures as footprints. It's a long road, but worth a try. I am certainly gaining respect for the experienced chefs!
Maybe official 6.5 is good enough, but I have already started down this road and I believe the performance will be better on 6.1 still. Will have to see.
[EDIT]
ROM seems to be usable now.. some small issues, but nothing huge so far (no hangs / manila restarts, etc.) Maybe I will post what I have done so far this evening or tomorrow if I can get it uploaded somewhere. I need to do some tweaks still....
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keep us updated.....ur our hero !!

I just dont get it really guys ...even you can make wm6.1 working with the latest goodies (can't imagine how hard that would be), but in the end where do you guys go from there? wm6.1 is ended, and is no longer developed.
wm6.5 is still under development, but there are choices coming from certain branches that did prove stability and speed (build 21874 is the latest i tested of this kind). And yet it is still developing and sometimes newer build just failed.
wm6.5.1 is new gui with start button at the bottom part of the screen so this is another challenge. Kinetic scrolling is gone for whatever reason, but you can slide left and right at status bar at the top part of the screen.
I'm not a cooker and yet about to dig in some into more depth. Read a lot, pick the rom you want to flash and pm the chef what official rom he started before the work. You can always predict the result by doing the same routines - flash official rom, hard reset, flash custom rom, hard reset and always follow direction given by the chef carefully, and follow what other flasher find and tweaking bugs. This is how we develop i believe.
but still i do appreciate that some ppl still opted wm6.1, it is just the way it is i guess

Phoenix ROM
Hi all,
My 6.1Leo ROM is now up! Get it here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=4956394#post4956394
And please read all of the first 4 posts.
-Oobly
P.S. @deepthroat, I have yet to see a 6.5 ROM that gives the same benchmark scores for graphics as a good WM6.1 ROM. Usually at least 20% less speed. I don't think our X1 devices can handle 6.5 AND manila 2.5 nicely..... yet. Maybe 6.5 will improve to the same point soon.

WM6.5 VS WM6.1 for imate kjam

Hi, I need an information. Is these wm6.5 roms fast and stable on imate kjam?
Mine slows down after sometime, once I install wm6.5. However, I use my finger for using the phone and wm6.1 though it is faster, it is not finger friendly. What is the best rom for stability, fastness & finger friendliness. Is it wm6.5 or wm6.1. Which rom among this is very fast. Also I use the SPB mobile shell. So with this installed, which will be faster and stabler.

Hey umasiva,
I don't know if the WM6.5 will ever be fast on our Wizards, but I can't really tell, since I have never flashed a 6.5 ROM on mine.
My recommendation is that you use a 6.1 ROM and some 3rd party app to make things more finger-friendly. Check the ROM on my signature, it's not mine, but I really like it. Simple, fast and stable. I'm using ir for over 2 months and no freezes or bugs until now. Even the camera is better than before!
To make things more finger-friendly, there are plenty apps around: iContact for contacts list; Wktask for a little bigger X/OK button; WAD for skinning and changing Today Screen in awfull ways; PCMKeyboard if you prefer the onscreen typing, with bigger buttons...
Just search around and you find many of them
Cheers

need Rom for i-mate k-jam
Is there any wm7 for i-mate k-jam?
I want the latest wm6.5 Rom for i-mate k-jam that have high speed and give little space from i-mate k-jam's main memory.

nandobang said:
Hey umasiva,
I don't know if the WM6.5 will ever be fast on our Wizards, but I can't really tell, since I have never flashed a 6.5 ROM on mine.
My recommendation is that you use a 6.1 ROM and some 3rd party app to make things more finger-friendly. Check the ROM on my signature, it's not mine, but I really like it. Simple, fast and stable. I'm using ir for over 2 months and no freezes or bugs until now. Even the camera is better than before!
To make things more finger-friendly, there are plenty apps around: iContact for contacts list; Wktask for a little bigger X/OK button; WAD for skinning and changing Today Screen in awfull ways; PCMKeyboard if you prefer the onscreen typing, with bigger buttons...
Just search around and you find many of them
Cheers
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Hi Nandobang,
Thanks for your advice. As u were mentioning, I got frequent freezing with wm6.5 roms, as I liked to use it with either SPB mobile shell or more of Pointui. I think I will go back to wm6.1 rom. The only think I like a lot in wm6.5, which I miss in wm6.1 is the smooth scrolling. I dont know whether any application is there to give the feel of smooth scrolling in wm6.5 to wm6.1. If so, please let me know.

Imate k-jam
can anyone help me on my kjam?
my kjam was upgraded to 6.5 but unfortunately the touchscreen was disabled, can anyone send me links where can i download ROM WM 6.1?
i will just downgrade it...
thanks...
can anyone send me link on this?
WM 6.1 Diamond Project Slim 4.0

umasiva said:
Hi, I need an information. Is these wm6.5 roms fast and stable on imate kjam?
Mine slows down after sometime, once I install wm6.5. However, I use my finger for using the phone and wm6.1 though it is faster, it is not finger friendly. What is the best rom for stability, fastness & finger friendliness. Is it wm6.5 or wm6.1. Which rom among this is very fast. Also I use the SPB mobile shell. So with this installed, which will be faster and stabler.
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i have wm 6.5 in my kjam,work perfectly! is faster and all beauty,with wm 6.5 and chome,all finger friendly,i dont remember exactly which one donwloaded here in xda,but send me a message so i can send you by e-mail or something

plzzzz give link for rom wm6.1 to download plzzz...plzzz.plzzz...plzzzz.....plzzzz...plzzzz
ty......

hassan mutaal said:
plzzzz give link for rom wm6.1 to download plzzz...plzzz.plzzz...plzzzz.....plzzzz...plzzzz
ty......
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How about you go and look in the ROM development forum? I'm sure you'll find something you like in there.
Be sure to read up on how to unlock your phone as well. Also.. While you're at it, check the wiki. There's lots of good stuff in there too.

6.5 and 6.1
can u upload windows 6.1 and 6.5 plz

Which WM 6.5.5.x ROM without Sense or Manilla

Hello.
Please, give me advise, which Windows 6.5.5.x rom for my Blackstone, without Manilla, Sense, TouchFlo...Just clean WM.
Thanks!

Konig ala Jack said:
Hello.
Please, give me advise, which Windows 6.5.5.x rom for my Blackstone, without Manilla, Sense, TouchFlo...Just clean WM.
Thanks!
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I think Miri's v.36 Standard Edition is a clean WM, without manila.
I don't know something else.
I'am also interested for a clean WM 6.5, so if anyone else knows can inform us.

i'm one for this pool too!!!!
manilla and sense are not friendly of dualsim users....

perhaps this one ... that's my actual rom, don't like manila or sense interface too !
http://htcpedia.com/miri_wm21889_premium_without_manila_v35/soft/htc-blackstone-rom.html?page=1

EDIT
I've re-opened this thread for time being to see where it leads

Look here....
h**p://w*w.htc-developers.de/viewtopic.php?f=87&t=5662
It's a German ROM..
(Sorry off the frac link. Admin don't want to post a link)
Mark

kwbr's rhodium
i use kwbr's rhodium without sense. i allways go back after flashing other roms.. ;p

Hi, i'm using a very clean rom in long time, for my experience may be this is the best clean and stable rom.
It's name is : johnpatcher_Geranium_1.0_WWE.

I'm for this thread too searching for 23529 clean rom. Help please tnx

i'm extremely satisfied with the Energy ROM's Titanium version...

gregoryn said:
I'm for this thread too searching for 23529 clean rom. Help please tnx
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I have test to cook with the 23529 and also with the new 23534. Both are not stable. When you want a fast an stable ROM take the 28205 or the 28223or the not so fingerfriendly but fast 21892.
Mark....

im using miris latest rom without manila, for me it runs fast and all the functions work fine - battery seems to last well also. I haven't tried any other roms though so others are probably very good as well, i'll probably wait for wm7 now before I flash again.

mista.maja said:
i'm extremely satisfied with the Energy ROM's Titanium version...
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How is battery life with Energy's Titanium? I use phoenix with titanium and battery life is way too bad... Tried all power management settings, no difference...
Could you please tell me:
1. Available program RAM available after booting and
2. Battery consumption since full charge (mine goes from 100% to 72% in just 3.5 hours while in standby!!!)

drizo72 said:
2. Battery consumption since full charge (mine goes from 100% to 72% in just 3.5 hours while in standby!!!)
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I noticed the high battery consumption on Energy roms too, until I noticed the screen brightness was on full, seems to behave better when put on auto
Hope that helps

Konig ala Jack said:
Hello.
Please, give me advise, which Windows 6.5.5.x rom for my Blackstone, without Manilla, Sense, TouchFlo...Just clean WM.
Thanks!
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=634514

The request is a ''6.5.X'' ROM not ''6.5''..

I Think, this is the best (without manilla&Titanium)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=634514

mista.maja said:
i'm extremely satisfied with the Energy ROM's Titanium version...
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I've used that but went back to Miri's v35 ROM... Much better, no bugs and very efficient use of the shortcuts in Microsoft's shell - not apparent in the Energy ROM.
Have yet to be more satisfied with a very functional phone and not missing the tedious Manilla as of yet; although the program shortcuts on the 'Home' screen would be welcomed. Texting is perfect, minus the better looking Manilla version. Aesthetics over usability...
Shame Miri didn't continue this in the v36 build...

drizo72 said:
How is battery life with Energy's Titanium? I use phoenix with titanium and battery life is way too bad... Tried all power management settings, no difference...
Could you please tell me:
1. Available program RAM available after booting and
2. Battery consumption since full charge (mine goes from 100% to 72% in just 3.5 hours while in standby!!!)
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And to add this for Miri's v35, as I mentioned before, fresh reboot RAM usage is at 38% with a wallpaper and battery consumption is the best I have used, charging every 2 days. Just over every day if I indulge in WiFi browsing.

I'm definately up for more roms without manila/sense. I think the work that all the cooks do is fantastic but just find manila uses too much system resources, causing problems for certain apps. I know I may be a little strange but I actually really like the windows titanium plugin.
There does only seems to be the energy rom that is 6.5.x, Currently using a Miri v36 rom that is good.

Flash or not 2 flash?

Hi,
X1 is my first WM phone. So far I am quite happy with but... .
For the last year I have been using it with Spb Mobile Shell on top which made everyday experience with the phone much better than WM 6.1 on its own.
Now, as I see all those ads with new Windows 6.5 it seems to me tat this system is even more user friendly.
Questions:
1. Is it worth to flash my rom to 6.5?
2. If so... which ROm should I choose? (there is quite a few of them and as you can see... me - no expert!
I just want something better, more finger friendly, etc...etc...
Please, all suggestions (and direct links) are welcome.

You can make it more "finger friendly" with softtouch cab...
The 6.5 works faster for me than 6.1
I have Energy ROM

I am quite happy with screen responsiveness , although I will try X1 Softtouch.
I was hoping that with new ROM, phone will get (beside new to eye icons) faster, more phone like maybe a bit more stable.
For example I am sick with this tine "x" (to right corner of screen) that I need to use to close almost all aplications. Why did MS not made it bigger?
I would like to change the look and usage of msg. tree.
To all you that made a swap from WM 6.1 to 6.5 - any pros and cons? Or not really much of a difference and I will not get anything more than I already have wit SPB Mobile Shell?