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Hello,
I wiil start with the RAM. I've searched the forums for an answer to the lack of ram and people are saying the current kernel isn't supporting 512 ram which is probably bull**** because I saw a Desire HD of a friend, and it uses all the RAM. Other people say that the other Ram goes to graphic use, which is wierd, because again, the Desire HD has 512 RAM.
So my question is did someone knows the real answer? Because I'm pretty disappointed that I have 150 free RAM after I'm killing all the tasks, and some games are laggy from time to time (Angry Birds (espacially Rio), Fruit Ninja). Maybe we can even sue Samsung for publishing false specs XD
My second question is about the GPS, I'm using Phoenix ultimate rom, did anyone tried it with this fix: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=957164 and saw better results? The GPS in this rom is better then other roms but i'm still find it unusable.
My thirs nd last question is that there's a problem I've saw in all the roms I've been using. When I call someone the volume is high for something like 5-10 sec and then become lower, and the volume in the call itself is pretty low and I can't talk in crowdy places. I know there's a method to increase the volume but I'm not sure how and which volume is recommended. If someone can explain me it will be great!
Thanks in advance, Elad!
For the first question.
first of all you are using 150 ram... rather than having that much left. and I dont think there is any rom right now for the captivate that use all the ram..
2. my phone also never gets good gps. just send it back to at&t and keep getting a new one until you have good gps.
3. i really dont know... sorry..
So you say this this it's the rom that doesn't support? It's really hard for me to believe this because there's a lot of devices that use 2.1 and 2.2 and uses all of the 512 mb.. :/
And for the second answer I'm not living in USA I bought it on ebay because its basebands support my mobile operator basebands lol
For your 3rd question, have you tried different modems?
first of all, you need to read up on how RAM is used in linux and android. free ram is WASTED ram. there are 100 threads on here about that topic alone. please search
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For your 3rd question, have you tried different modems?
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I don't know how to use other modem, is there a guide or something? How will I know if the modem is supporting 850 and 2100 (this is the only basebands my mobile operator supports.. I need them both for full signal.
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first of all, you need to read up on how RAM is used in linux and android. free ram is WASTED ram. there are 100 threads on here about that topic alone. please search
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I know what is RAM, but sometimes there are apps that uses a lot of ram like angry birds rio that when in stand-by mode uses almost 100mb ram. But it doesn't matter, if the phone doesn't really have 512mb they shouldn't write in the specs that it does.
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I know what is RAM, but sometimes there are apps that uses a lot of ram like angry birds rio that when in stand-by mode uses almost 100mb ram. But it doesn't matter, if the phone doesn't really have 512mb they shouldn't write in the specs that it does.
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when an app needs the ram it will take it. and the phone does have 512. there are numerous threads about this as well. again, search
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when an app needs the ram it will take it. and the phone does have 512. there are numerous threads about this as well. again, search
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I've searched, and I found some theories, but still I don't know what's true.
Elad92 said:
I've searched, and I found some theories, but still I don't know what's true.
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there IS 512mb RAM, but its not all usable by the USER APPLICATIONS. some of it is used by the SYSTEM to run...
there is literally a massive thread open on this already somewhere. i will find it later
here is some reading for you to do in the meantime:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1008237&highlight=ram
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=792512&highlight=512mb
just as others have stated the phone DOES have 512mb of RAM. Just like with your computer you may have 2 gigs of RAM installed but that does not mean that you are going to be able to use all of it. More then likely several hundred mbs of that is going to go to system processes like svchost and explorer.exe. That leaves only part of that available for user applications.
As others have stated ram that is free is doing the phone no good. accesses to ram is hundreds of times faster then accesses to main memory so if a program has to load block into RAM it is going to get slowed down. Its better to just let the phone do its own thing and keep applications that are frequently used in RAM so they dont have to get loaded when needed
I have 2 captivates, the only GPS Fix I found that works, is an article that describes all the settings, and after I understood what each setting was I adjusted them to what makes sense, and it works great now. Accuracy ranges 16 to 32 ft. But none of the video's or anything other article worked.
Here is the title of the article. "Why Samsung Galaxy S i9000 GPS is inaccurate and how to fix it." It is located here on XDA-developers.
And BTW I am using the AT&T release of Froyo. Don't have a need to switch to another ROM, everything works.
Brian
Thank you, the ram questions was answered
Does anybody knows something about the other two questions?
In regards to GPS, I flashed Serendipity and its at least mostly usable now. Before, I couldn't get a lock unless I was standing still, then id lose it when I moved.
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My previous rom was Serendipity, and I flashed to phoenix few days after because of mysterious problems (which now I know had no connection to the rom). Anyway, I love Phoenix, does anyone have phoenix and can use the GPS?
In response to the GPS questions:
The GPS is designed to use the aluminum backplate as an antenna. If you have a thick case on it will work terribly. Thin silicon cases work well enough. Another thing to look at is the app you are using for navigation. Try and find telenav for the i9000 and it will work for the captivate. Google navigation will work terribly. If you have a navigation app that uses generated maps(telenav) or stored maps your GPS will be decent enough to use and will help quite a bit. Read plumbobs guide for more information in the captivate development section.
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the captivate has 512 mb ram total
much of that is hardwired for video. the desire hd if it is the same as the inspire has 768mb total so 512 is available for the system to use.
Has anyone tried using navigation with google maps already pre-loaded? If so how is it? Did it improve navigation performance? Google navigation is absolutely horrible for me. Constantly losing signal while driving rendering it useless.
I've been hearing that the One has issues similar to its predecessor, as far as browser multitasking. Has anyone had issues with the browser constantly refreshing when you leave, go to another app, and come back to it?
No such problem with my HTC One. Multitasked between apps and browser, different tabs stayed put(no auto-refreshing).
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I've been hearing that the One has issues similar to its predecessor, as far as browser multitasking. Has anyone had issues with the browser constantly refreshing when you leave, go to another app, and come back to it?
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I would like to know the same..
EDIT: nvm
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I've been hearing that the One has issues similar to its predecessor, as far as browser multitasking. Has anyone had issues with the browser constantly refreshing when you leave, go to another app, and come back to it?
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Yes. Me.
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Yes. Me.
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What kind of websites does it happen with and how often? It worries me how there's no definitive reason why some people have this problem. It seems to be random.
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What kind of websites does it happen with and how often? It worries me how there's no definitive reason why some people have this problem. It seems to be random.
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It does it a LOT on a dating site that I use, OKCupid (when accessing the desktop version of the site). I think it may possibly be related to the number of tabs one has open, as well. But certainly it's very annoying. I sometimes do a bit of browsing on London Underground trains. (You get about 20 seconds of wifi when the train is in a station!) What I'd like to be able to do is load up multiple pages in different tabs (each one opened as a new background tab) while the connection is up and then read them in the tunnels between stations; but it insists on refreshing each tab as you go back to it, and, as there's no connection in the tunnel, you can't actually read the page, even though it's fully downloaded and should be cached.
It does it pretty frequently. More with stock browser than with chrome though.
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It does it pretty frequently. More with stock browser than with chrome though.
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But that doesn't happen on my Chrome on my Note II... ever! Even if I press a link by mistake I can press back and it will be stored in cache, this is probably an HTC problem then, anyone else having this issue?
Nope. Not a problem for me. Always going back and forth on my browser. No issue there
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I agree. I can't remember if it's because I swipe it away with the recent apps button.
But sometimes the browser panics on me and closes on it's own.
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This was NEVER an issue specific to HTC or its software. The sooner people stop spreading the FUD the better.
The only reason Android will force the browser to clear its cache of a page is because it needs to. That is, it's running low on RAM due to other services/apps and needs more. Your browser is not considered a high-level process in the priority list (it's not a service, unlike many other apps), so it'll get hit more often than other apps.
So, the reason this crops up for some people more than others is simply due to what they have running in the background (services, such as Facebook, Trillian, GMail, etc etc). The more crap you run at the same time, the more likely it's going to run out of RAM. This is how it works for ANY Android phone going all the way back to the 2.0 days. It's ALSO how it works on iOS, BlackBerry 10, and webOS (except those platforms don't use a priority system). Also keep in mind that websites these days actually take up a significant amount of RAM, especially ones with heavy amounts of Javascript and retina-level graphics.
The HTC One has 2GB of RAM, which means you have quite a bit of RAM to work with before this happens, but how often it happens is always going to be determined by how you use it.
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This was NEVER an issue specific to HTC or its software. The sooner people stop spreading the FUD the better.
The only reason Android will force the browser to clear its cache of a page is because it needs to. That is, it's running low on RAM due to other services/apps and needs more. Your browser is not considered a high-level process in the priority list (it's not a service, unlike many other apps), so it'll get hit more often than other apps.
So, the reason this crops up for some people more than others is simply due to what they have running in the background (services, such as Facebook, Trillian, GMail, etc etc). The more crap you run at the same time, the more likely it's going to run out of RAM. This is how it works for ANY Android phone going all the way back to the 2.0 days. It's ALSO how it works on iOS, BlackBerry 10, and webOS (except those platforms don't use a priority system). Also keep in mind that websites these days actually take up a significant amount of RAM, especially ones with heavy amounts of Javascript and retina-level graphics.
The HTC One has 2GB of RAM, which means you have quite a bit of RAM to work with before this happens, but how often it happens is always going to be determined by how you use it.
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Thats false, it was an issue on the HTC One X, and thats why I went for the GS3 instead of the One X (that and battery life), and it was done on purpose by HTC, not sure if they "fixed" it or not since then.
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Thats false, it was an issue on the HTC One X, and thats why I went for the GS3 instead of the One X (that and battery life), and it was done on purpose by HTC, not sure if they "fixed" it or not since then.
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No, it wasn't, no more than any other device with 1GB of RAM. I'm sure that's what you thought based on all the fud being spread at the time, but it wasn't true, as anyone who knows more about the internals would acknowledge.
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No, it wasn't, no more than any other device with 1GB of RAM. I'm sure that's what you thought based on all the fud being spread at the time, but it wasn't true, as anyone who knows more about the internals would acknowledge.
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Well I think I know a lot and it was definitely HTC's fault.. it was a software preference made by HTC
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Well I think I know a lot and it was definitely HTC's fault.. it was a software preference made by HTC
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A preference that had no influence apparently, since all it takes is a person with a task manager to confirm what I said was true.
This happens on my Nexus 4. Nothing new to see.
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This was NEVER an issue specific to HTC or its software. The sooner people stop spreading the FUD the better.
The only reason Android will force the browser to clear its cache of a page is because it needs to. That is, it's running low on RAM due to other services/apps and needs more. Your browser is not considered a high-level process in the priority list (it's not a service, unlike many other apps), so it'll get hit more often than other apps.
So, the reason this crops up for some people more than others is simply due to what they have running in the background (services, such as Facebook, Trillian, GMail, etc etc). The more crap you run at the same time, the more likely it's going to run out of RAM. This is how it works for ANY Android phone going all the way back to the 2.0 days. It's ALSO how it works on iOS, BlackBerry 10, and webOS (except those platforms don't use a priority system). Also keep in mind that websites these days actually take up a significant amount of RAM, especially ones with heavy amounts of Javascript and retina-level graphics.
The HTC One has 2GB of RAM, which means you have quite a bit of RAM to work with before this happens, but how often it happens is always going to be determined by how you use it.
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This is also BS. The evo lte I had always dumped the browser and this phone does it as well, even just going back and forth from the browser to the music app. The galaxy i switched to did not exhibit the same behavior. In fact, that thing would often keep the browser in memory till the NEXT DAY. This phone with 2gb ram (and 700 plus free) will dump my browser pages for nothing but time it seems
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This is also BS. The evo lte I had always dumped the browser and this phone does it as well, even just going back and forth from the browser to the music app. The galaxy i switched to did not exhibit the same behavior. In fact, that thing would often keep the browser in memory till the NEXT DAY. This phone with 2gb ram (and 700 plus free) will dump my browser pages for nothing but time it seems
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It's really not. I had chrome stay in RAM for 3 full hours tonight even when playing games. Don't ever use the stock browser, they're always terrible on all platforms.
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It's really not. I had chrome stay in RAM for 3 full hours tonight even when playing games. Don't ever use the stock browser, they're always terrible on all platforms.
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See, that's what's retarded to me. I too have also ran a heavy game and came back to the browser and my pages were still there. But let me play some music and come back a few minutes later and it's highly likely that it's been terminated
I don't use chrome because the stuttery scrolling. The stock browser is the smoothest I've ever used on android so I'm a bit smitten
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See, that's what's retarded to me. I too have also ran a heavy game and came back to the browser and my pages were still there. But let me play some music and come back a few minutes later and it's highly likely that it's been terminated
I don't use chrome because the stuttery scrolling. The stock browser is the smoothest I've ever used on android so I'm a bit smitten
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Chrome doesn't have any scrolling lag for me on the One.
am using the official ICS and OMG its so stupid!
-it takes up to 8 seconds to open an app
-it drains my battery(8 hours maximum)
-it lags so much and some apps just end up crashing every now and then
-cant tether
-one cant manually toggle between 2G/3G/4G!
-is the processor of this phone really a duo core??????
Is there a better ROM??? or should i just sell off the phone??
Did you do a complete wipe/factory restore when you moved to ICS? I started out that way, and the ROM has always felt fine, and I believe there are reports from other users that had their gripes resolved when they restored from scratch.
I did a wipe but still the rom is so lagging!
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i had some previous ICS experiences but you should try a few tricks. first, hold down the HOME KEY for about 3 seconds. an APP manager opens. you may have lots of apps that didnt close. hit STOP ALL.
Also notice that you can quickly pop between apps this way. you can kill an app by swiping its image sideways.
Second, in your drop down bar, organize your icons to have the WIFI and DATA buttons quickly available. The DATA is a really battery drainer. if your not using it, turn it off. if your not using wifi, turn it off. your battery can last 2+ days with both turned off.
With Gingerbread, i had issues with the wifi not connecting after the phone was on for a day or so. all that seems to be fixed with ICS. I used to have to reboot the phone 2-3 times a day to fix this. I rarely ever reboot it now.
If you decide to sell off the phone, i know at&t will give you $100 for it as a trade in. I think the used phones are going for about $90 on ebay now
hope that helps!
I've used many devices with ICS and this one byfar takes the tard cake.
I am having the same thing here. seems like getting slower after using for few days.
Worst ROM I have ever used
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after rooting, it actually wasn't bad. pretty stable and responsive
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after rooting, it actually wasn't bad. pretty stable and responsive
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I recently got this phone and have been expirimenting with the official stock rom while rooted. It is offensively slow and I believe lg recruited satan to invent the rom and make me kill myself. Either way, a few things that actually worked for me are the following:
Startup manager from the android market, disable all lg/ startup applications under system. This singlehandedly decreased my boot time by about a minute and makes everything much smoother.
rescan media root from the market, use it to disable media scanning. For some reason, the media scanner on stock ics sucks for me, and makes the entire phone unusable. Disabling it with this app also increased my boot time and made the phone run better.
V6 supercharger with kick ass kernelizer and patched services.jar and unledded minfrees. Google v6 supercharger, its the first result.
I still have problems like op describes, sometimes the phone will freeze for four to eight seconds while doing something and takes time to catch up to itself. Not sure why, or how to fix it.
Are you sure about that, I actually flashed ICS on my Thrill and It rocks!!!!!!
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If you are sure it is not a bad flash, try Supercharger and Ultimatic .jar tools mod over in General Android Dev and Hacks like teebuddy said. Kills lag like no other mod. Also uninstall unneeded apps to free up memory. This phone is 3+ yrs old now.
Or use a better optimized custom ROM
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lol glad I am not the only one.
This phone is a piece of garbage.
My first visit to the forum in months.
I signed up to install ICS official hoping for improvements. It brought me some features. Did it make the phone better? Nope, probably worse.
Phone is laggy and my internal storage isn't even full.
Sometimes opening an app takes 4-6 seconds, other times an app freezes and the buttons on the bottom of the phone do not respond.
Sometimes when in an app it goes black and then takes forever to respond again.
I upgrade to ICS and lose tethering which was a nice feature. I would rather lose 3D which is the biggest gimmick ever.
This phone is beyond pathetic! I have an iPhone 4 which is a single core and runs smooth as BUTTER. I prefer Android OS but LG Optimus 3D sucks.
There is no hope for this pathetic phone now. Once my contract expires next year I will try to sell it.
It is rather ironic that you are locked into a contract
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It is rather ironic that you are locked into a contract
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Not sure what you are talking about.
I got the phone in 2011 when it came out. There weren't many options. The contract is 3 years, so it expires summer 2014.
Not sure where you live but contracts were 3 years and only changed to 2 years this July. Anyone before July still has to finish their contract or they can cancel.
The phone sucks period. It is worse than my friends Samsung Galaxy S Captivate and my Uncle's iPhone 4.
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That is also ironic.
It's taken a lot of digging to actually find other people complaining about the lagginess of the device.
I'm currently on stock AT&T ICS after custom flashing it god knows how many times. Super-bricked to restored.
I find the current ICS implementation crazy for how little room it leaves on the device.
I've been able to get the device running a TAD smoother by disabling (Yay ICS disable feature) most of the AT&T junk. The reason the device lags so much, especially compared to other devices, is squarely on the lack of RAM. It has 256MB compared to other devices (like the Evo 3D) which have 512MB.
I know the CPU itself isn't crappy, because games like Asphalt 6 look AND RUN fantastic. If it was garbage, the game would run like garbage.
So anything you can do on the device to prevent apps running in the background will help. Otherwise it's spending a LOT of time closing apps because so much of the RAM is used.
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It's taken a lot of digging to actually find other people complaining about the lagginess of the device.
I'm currently on stock AT&T ICS after custom flashing it god knows how many times. Super-bricked to restored.
I find the current ICS implementation crazy for how little room it leaves on the device.
I've been able to get the device running a TAD smoother by disabling (Yay ICS disable feature) most of the AT&T junk. The reason the device lags so much, especially compared to other devices, is squarely on the lack of RAM. It has 256MB compared to other devices (like the Evo 3D) which have 512MB.
I know the CPU itself isn't crappy, because games like Asphalt 6 look AND RUN fantastic. If it was garbage, the game would run like garbage.
So anything you can do on the device to prevent apps running in the background will help. Otherwise it's spending a LOT of time closing apps because so much of the RAM is used.
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Um this phone has 512mb ram... Also the processor sucks. It's worse than an underclocked iPhone 4 processor.
I froze all the AT&T apps with titanium backup.
What is the best auto task killer? I've been using advanced task killer by rechild from the market and it leaves a lot left to be desired in the way of automatically killing tasks.
Any good recommendations? Thanks!
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What is the best auto task killer? I've been using advanced task killer by rechild from the market and it leaves a lot left to be desired in the way of automatically killing tasks.
Any good recommendations? Thanks!
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best would be if everyone thought so, but in reality, best is what you think is best, as best will differ for every single person. i like fast reboot pro. it doesnt actually reboot your device, it just frees your ram memory like it is being rebooted.
I don't think you need a task killer in Lollipop, you haven't for a few years now.
If you do want to kill activities, you can just enable "do not keep activities" in developer options.
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I don't think you need a task killer in Lollipop, you haven't for a few years now.
If you do want to kill activities, you can just enable "do not keep activities" in developer options.
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that just wont let other apps open. many android people dont think that we need a task killer, as android will free ram when needed. and thats fine, thats their belief. for me, android doesnt do the job good enough, for how i use the device. for me, android is a little lazy to free ram. and when it finally does, it slows down any device. so, i can change where i want it to free ram, but its still a little lazy, so i free ram myself, and am much happier about it.
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What is the best auto task killer? I've been using advanced task killer by rechild from the market and it leaves a lot left to be desired in the way of automatically killing tasks.
Any good recommendations? Thanks!
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A task killer is generally not needed nor recommended for any android version over 4.0. The OS will automatically fee memory when needed. Most phones upgraded to lollipop have ample memory and killing idle tasks serves no purpose and only ibcraaes the app load time when it is relaunched.
If however you must close a task for whatever reason you can do so directly from the system settings under apps>running>select force stop. You could even setup a shortcut to this on the home screen.
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A task killer is generally not needed nor recommended for any android version over 4.0. The OS will automatically fee memory when needed. Most phones upgraded to lollipop have ample memory and killing idle tasks serves no purpose and only ibcraaes the app load time when it is relaunched.
If however you must close a task for whatever reason you can do so directly from the system settings under apps>running>select force stop. You could even setup a shortcut to this on the home screen.
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Exactly. Unused ram is wasted ram. Task killers are bs! Don't use these garbage apps! I keep all my apps open and still only use 1/2 my available ram.
Well yea I only force stop if a program is not responding... But wouldn't keeping a program active in the memory use up precious battery life?
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Well yea I only force stop if a program is not responding... But wouldn't keeping a program active in the memory use up precious battery life?
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No. When an app is jot in the foreground it is not using CPU cycles so there is no battery drain. Consumed ram does not affect battery life.
However killing an app totally will cause a greater amount of processing to open the next time you use it and that will equal more consumed battery.
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What is the best auto task killer? I've been using advanced task killer by rechild from the market and it leaves a lot left to be desired in the way of automatically killing tasks.
Any good recommendations? Thanks!
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You're better off with greenify. Especially if you're rooted.
Posted below is an image from the greenify app analyzer... What should I do? Select all those apps?
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Posted below is an image from the greenify app analyzer... What should I do? Select all those apps?
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I generally do not Greenify widgets but apps such as Facebook, Allcast and others that I don't constantly refer to. It's up to you what you use it for though. With 5.0.x folks can no longer Greenify "system" apps such as youtube, G+ and whatnot .. which is kind of a bummer.
I don't care what anyone says....android absolutely still needs a task killer. And I'm pissed off that atk no longer works. I have a note 4, and my available memory is now half what it was, and it DOES effect performance because android is still one big memory leak! Geeees!
Using task killers is just slowing your device down. Android is not like windows with its lousy ram management.
As for samsung devices those will always be slow due to the crappy way Samsung does software.
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Using task killers is just slowing your device down. Android is not like windows with its lousy ram management.
As for samsung devices those will always be slow due to the crappy way Samsung does software.
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Well, that's funny. ....I might be new to xda, but not in the least new to android phones and tablets. The funny thing is, all my Samsung devices have been plenty fast. And surprisingly (not really), that only holds true WHEN I'M ABLE TO KILL ALL THE BS MANUALLY. It is for this reason that ANDROID still needs a task killer. If there were ONLY ONE flavor of android, completely stock, on EVERY manufacturers device, on every carrier, then that might not be the case, but then again that would be Microsoft Windows, now, wouldn't it? And not android. Android's best feature is that it's customizable.
As for telling me that using task killers is slowing me down. ......EXPERIENCE SIMPLY PROVES THAT FALSE. If that WERE true, then rebooting the phone (the only easy way to kill all tasks now) wouldn't show a notable improvement in speed, and not rebooting wouldn't result in degradation of performance over time. And neither of those are evident in empirical experience. Not rebooting DOES result in degrading performance over time, and rebooting DOES result in notable increase in performance.
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Well, that's funny. ....I might be new to xda, but not in the least new to android phones and tablets. The funny thing is, all my Samsung devices have been plenty fast. And surprisingly (not really), that only holds true WHEN I'M ABLE TO KILL ALL THE BS MANUALLY. It is for this reason that ANDROID still needs a task killer. If there were ONLY ONE flavor of android, completely stock, on EVERY manufacturers device, on every carrier, then that might not be the case, but then again that would be Microsoft Windows, now, wouldn't it? And not android. Android's best feature is that it's customizable.
As for telling me that using task killers is slowing me down. ......EXPERIENCE SIMPLY PROVES THAT FALSE. If that WERE true, then rebooting the phone (the only easy way to kill all tasks now) wouldn't show a notable improvement in speed, and not rebooting wouldn't result in degradation of performance over time. And neither of those are evident in empirical experience. Not rebooting DOES result in degrading performance over time, and rebooting DOES result in notable increase in performance.
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That is because of Samsung lousy software. Take a look at any nexus device and you will see weeks of not rebooting without a bit of slow down or lag.
Your experience is not relevant as it is Samsung based which means it is not pure android. It's a distro like many Linux distros. Also your experience with Android is pointless as android is still new.
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That is because of Samsung lousy software. Take a look at any nexus device and you will see weeks of not rebooting without a bit of slow down or lag.
Your experience is not relevant as it is Samsung based which means it is not pure android. It's a distro like many Linux distros. Also your experience with Android is pointless as android is still new.
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So then it's just that you don't like Samsung and that you have a love affair with nexus, not that you have any real valid argument to support your sentiment about task killers. OK. Great. Happy for you. Now that we got your phone love situation figured out, let's honestly discuss the lunacy of your opinion. It is completely nonsensical. OOOOOHHHH it's a Samsung. The way they do things, blah blah blah. News flash, supergenius, Samsung holds 65% of the android market. Like Samsung or not, they dominate the market, so if android on their devices has memory leaks, 65% OF THE MARKET needs task killers. It doesn't take Stephen Hawking to figure that out. Further, Android launched in 2008. That's 7 years ago, and is the lions share of smart device OS's. This hardly qualifies as "still new".
In all your infinite wisdom, do you truly have no clue how ludicrous your statements are?
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So then it's just that you don't like Samsung and that you have a love affair with nexus, not that you have any real valid argument to support your sentiment about task killers. OK. Great. Happy for you. Now that we got your phone love situation figured out, let's honestly discuss the lunacy of your opinion. It is completely nonsensical. OOOOOHHHH it's a Samsung. The way they do things, blah blah blah. News flash, supergenius, Samsung holds 65% of the android market. Like Samsung or not, they dominate the market, so if android on their devices has memory leaks, 65% OF THE MARKET needs task killers. It doesn't take Stephen Hawking to figure that out. Further, Android launched in 2008. That's 7 years ago, and is the lions share of smart device OS's. This hardly qualifies as "still new".
In all your infinite wisdom, do you truly have no clue how ludicrous your statements are?
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Gotta love noobs with an attitude........ Was kindergarten closed today?
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So then it's just that you don't like Samsung and that you have a love affair with nexus, not that you have any real valid argument to support your sentiment about task killers. OK. Great. Happy for you. Now that we got your phone love situation figured out, let's honestly discuss the lunacy of your opinion. It is completely nonsensical. OOOOOHHHH it's a Samsung. The way they do things, blah blah blah. News flash, supergenius, Samsung holds 65% of the android market. Like Samsung or not, they dominate the market, so if android on their devices has memory leaks, 65% OF THE MARKET needs task killers. It doesn't take Stephen Hawking to figure that out. Further, Android launched in 2008. That's 7 years ago, and is the lions share of smart device OS's. This hardly qualifies as "still new".
In all your infinite wisdom, do you truly have no clue how ludicrous your statements are?
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First off before you start going off at the mouth you should understand someones history before you jump to conclusions. how much of the market samsung holds is pointless. Mainly when most Samsung devices here are not running samsungs Touchwiz software.
I am no fan boy of any OEM at all. They all have their issues. As does the OS.
Now I have used every samsung device that has ever been released up to the s4. Where I walked away from them when they lied to developers. 3rd party developers are what made them popular and like HTC they turned their backs on the developers. ITs only a matter of time until they follow the same route.
Yes 7 years is still very new in the terms of OS. The OS is still so new that it cant even take advantage of the hardware that oem are using in their device.
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Gotta love noobs with an attitude........ Was kindergarten closed today?
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Heh... "noob" ... LOL Attitude. LOL No... brains. One could easily say "supergeniuses" with an attitude... expecially when they have such a high opinion of themselves that they are completely blind to the truth from those arguing against them. ... making a statement like "Gotta love noobs with an attitude" is highly indicative of the inability to admit that the "noob" is completely right.
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First off before you start going off at the mouth you should understand someones history before you jump to conclusions. how much of the market samsung holds is pointless. Mainly when most Samsung devices here are not running samsungs Touchwiz software.
I am no fan boy of any OEM at all. They all have their issues. As does the OS.
Now I have used every samsung device that has ever been released up to the s4. Where I walked away from them when they lied to developers. 3rd party developers are what made them popular and like HTC they turned their backs on the developers. ITs only a matter of time until they follow the same route.
Yes 7 years is still very new in the terms of OS. The OS is still so new that it cant even take advantage of the hardware that oem are using in their device.
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You continue to argue "device maker", when in reality that is a completely pointless argument. Gasoline produces high carbon emissions when burned, so we shouldn't use it. Right. True. But sense less than .0000001% of motor vehicles use anything else, .... well... you see the point I'm making there I'm sure. Market share DOES matter. Regardless of any downside you may perceive in Samsung devices... they are still currently the majority of devices in use. You completely contradict yourself also.... In one... Android doesn't need task killers. In another "They all have their issues. As does the OS" ... so then it does still need task killers.
Now...I completely concur. One should not be jumping to conclusions about someone, of whom they know nothing...... For example.... I'm a 30 year veteran programmer and software developer. I've worked on everything from IBM OS/VS1 and OS/VM, to DOS, to AT&T Unix, to SCO Unix, to VAX, to the very first version of Linux before there even was a RedHat, Ubuntu, Fedora, etc, before Gnome and KDE and the rest, from MS Windows v 3.0 up through Windows XP, 2000, etc. and all the NT's and other MS Server OS's in there. I've worked in the cell phone industry for several years, up to and including during the development and release of Android at the beginning. I've used several different devices, including the crappiest devices ever produced in the world (Huawei... who makes the Nexus by the way- I used one once. ONCE!).
So... when you start arguing "device makers" rather than the actual subject (whether or not task killers are still helpful), YOU HAVE NO ARGUMENT! That's not a "noob" statement Mr. gee2012 ... it's a statement of fact .... and anyone who would think that they can insult someone like me, with a statement like that, is less than worthy of the disccussion with me.
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Heh... "noob" ... LOL Attitude. LOL No... brains. One could easily say "supergeniuses" with an attitude... expecially when they have such a high opinion of themselves that they are completely blind to the truth from those arguing against them. ... making a statement like "Gotta love noobs with an attitude" is highly indicative of the inability to admit that the "noob" is completely right.
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You continue to argue "device maker", when in reality that is a completely pointless argument. Gasoline produces high carbon emissions when burned, so we shouldn't use it. Right. True. But sense less than .0000001% of motor vehicles use anything else, .... well... you see the point I'm making there I'm sure. Market share DOES matter. Regardless of any downside you may perceive in Samsung devices... they are still currently the majority of devices in use. You completely contradict yourself also.... In one... Android doesn't need task killers. In another "They all have their issues. As does the OS" ... so then it does still need task killers.
Now...I completely concur. One should not be jumping to conclusions about someone, of whom they know nothing...... For example.... I'm a 30 year veteran programmer and software developer. I've worked on every from IBM OS/VS1 and OS/VM, to DOS, to AT&T Unix, to SCO Unix, to VAX, to the very first version of Linux before, from MS Windows v 3.0 up through Windows XP and all the NT's and other MS Server OS's in there. I've worked in the cell phone industry for several years, up to and including during the development and release of Android at the beginning. I've used several different devices, including the crappiest devices ever produced in the world (Huawei... who makes the Nexus by the way- I used one once. ONCE!).
So... when you start arguing "device makers" rather than the actual subject, YOU HAVE NO ARGUMENT! That's not a "noob" statement Mr. gee2012 ... it's a statement of fact .... and anyone who would think that they can insult someone like me, with a statement like that, is less than worthy of the disccussion with me.
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Look I have had enough of your attitude. here you are just another noob.
Yes I said there are issues. As you seem to have an issue with reading, I never said Android needs task killers.
For someone that says they have worked on soo many things you seem to miss the fact that the OEM does matter as each one uses different distros of android. Touch wiz is as different from stock android as windows 98 is from windows 10.
Now with your attitude maybe its time to decide if you are worthy to even be here.
Now as this topic has been talked about to death over the years and it is going no where.
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http://bgr.com/2015/08/25/galaxy-note-5-vs-iphone-6-speed-test/
After seeing this Samsung must really have dorked the memory management really bad on the Note, it seem even worse than my old S6 Edge killing apps in the background all the time. Why put 4 GB of ram when you cant use them? Is it really this bad killing all the apps and have to reaload them or is the video totally wrong?
This is ancient news. Geez. Welcome to 3 days ago. LOL
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All of the new samsung phones are like this and its ridiculous. Hopefully a dev can fix it.
The "multitasking king" getting the ass kicked?
Sold my edge but thought they had fixed that annoying background killing. Samsung must be really stupid, one of the biggest advantages of the Note is totally dorked. Was thinking of getting the Edge+ as the Note not will be coming to Sweden but after Seeing this Samsung will not get my money
Shocking BGR published this. In my day to day use I don't notice any problems. I have a 6+ and it isn't any better.
For example. I use a radio app that if I pause it it will continue to record the station until I come back to it and pick up where I left off. Same app on the iPhone if I pause it and come back later it never keeps my recording. This has always been my personal test between the 2 OS's.
These side by side tests are not real world usage and prove nothing.
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Stupid tests get stupid results.
Who'da thunk?
easycure1974 said:
Sold my edge but thought they had fixed that annoying background killing. Samsung must be really stupid, one of the biggest advantages of the Note is totally dorked. Was thinking of getting the Edge+ as the Note not will be coming to Sweden but after Seeing this Samsung will not get my money
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/note5/general/news-european-note-5-t3185548
i keep my benchmarks based on how i'd actually use the device. launching a buncha apps then relaunching (without ever using them) is something i see myself rarely doing.
That is my point. I'm not defending how samsung is doing the memory management, as it seems stupid.
But in practice, for my usage this doesn't seem to come into play often/at all. So FOR ME this just isn't a big deal.
iOS doesn't background multitask like Android. If you start a SSH/telnet, IRC, ftp/ftps/stftp, etc. session then put it in the background iOS will kill it after 3 minutes. If they had repeated the test but wait after 3 minutes to relaunch the apps then the results would come out different.
http://www.speirs.org/blog/2012/1/2/misconceptions-about-ios-multitasking.html
No one uses a device like that that i know of. If you multitask between 2 or 3 apps (AND you're not using multiwindow) there isn't a problem with apps being killed. The phone is lightning fast. If you're flipping between 14 apps, you're either an idiot or autistic.
Sess said:
No one uses a device like that that i know of. If you multitask between 2 or 3 apps (AND you're not using multiwindow) there isn't a problem with apps being killed. The phone is lightning fast. If you're flipping between 14 apps, you're either an idiot or autistic.
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+1 the problem seems to happen when you multitask on more than 8 apps I think it is a feature to save battery then
use the task switcher instead of re clickkng the icon to get back to the running app
From my personal experience, I ran Hearthstone, Vainglory, Chrome, iFunny, and Pandora at once without any apps being killed. Then continued with Youtube, Facebook, and then Hangouts. Only then did apps begin getting killed. So I really don't see this to be a problem for sensible people.
I was aware of this issue but the 'real world' impact is negligible AT BEST. I just opened my gallery as it was '12 apps ago', it came up in the flash. There are some newfeed apps that do reload but I WANT IT to because I want to be reading the new stuff - just like it would I loaded it as a first-time app.
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I was aware of this issue but the 'real world' impact is negligible AT BEST. I just opened my gallery as it was '12 apps ago', it came up in the flash. There are some newfeed apps that do reload but I WANT IT to because I want to be reading the new stuff - just like it would I loaded it as a first-time app.
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Imagine however it was Microsoft word which comes with the device or Tapatalk. What if you halfway through writing a post or a word document, you background the app and check email, look at web browser, check s-planner and then take a call or text someone. You then go back to your word document or Tapatalk post and the app refreshes - resulting in you losing everything you had previously written. No matter how quick it reloads that would be an utter pain. The fact is - 4gb, 2015, fastest ram and SOC, it shouldn't happen. We should expect more.
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Have you ever had that problem in Word? I haven't, and tried exactly what you listed as an example...
I understand your point, though.
Thread closed, similar/same topic being discussed here >>> http://forum.xda-developers.com/note5/general/ram-bug-t3182414