Between Two Phones - G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I'm thinking between the My Touch Slide, and the Nexus. Obviously I love my g1's keyboard.
But, I know the MTS running Sense will never be up to date on current Android OS (though I read they're limiting updates to 2x a year which helps) So I would want to ask if you'd think any hackers would strip it of it's Sense UI and run normal android on it?
And if not the MTS it's a Nexus one and while playing Yongz emu's with multi touch which handle surprisingly really well, I've thinking an all touch phone might do just fine.
Thoughts?

It's happened with just about every other Android device, so I don't see why it wouldn't with the MTS.
However, you may want to consider holding out for more info on the HTC Vision, supposedly a Desire with a keyboard.

gophergun said:
However, you may want to consider holding out for more info on the HTC Vision, supposedly a Desire with a keyboard.
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And a "Desire" is basically a GN1 with an optical trackdot.... so expect the Vision to be the best of both.
One thing to realize though, is that even the GN1 is still an HTC PHONE, and is still going to be subject to the same support/upgrade life as every other HTC PHONE.

Android is such a pain in the ass
Hm, I guess it doesn't matter all too much. I just read the My Touch Slide is scoring high GPU benchmarks then any other Android out there (though probably because it has less pixels to push around so it's easier, but still)
I guess it will be an ok buy, hope so!

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Tilt still considered a worthy phone?

I've had a tilt for a couple of years now and it still works pretty good but it seems all the interest is being placed on newer phones. I don't want a new phone cause ATT doesn't have anything out now that I want to get a contract for. Would a good deal on a fuze be a worthy upgrade or should I just keep the tilt till a new phone comes along that moves me?
The Fuse is a downgrade from the Tilt IMHO. Smaller keyboard, smaller screen, not as healthy a developer community I think. If you are going to upgrade, go with the Tilt 2...I mean comeon, its just damn sexy. But, no I do not think the fuze is a very worth successor.
The problem with the Tilt is not the hardware, but the OS. With the introduction of Windows Phone 7, a lot of developers have abandoned Windows Mobile.
The good news is that the Tilt has one of the most sucessful Android ports. You can replace Windows Mobile with a Android Donut build and have a fully functional Android phone. It's not perfect, it is slow and has poor battery life. Though, considering that in the past 6 months the Tilt has a 100% working Android OS, it won't be long before the OS is fast and stable. Not to mention that hopefully we'll also see a FroYo build. Eclair doesn't have working BT or Camera, but I'm sure with time that'll work too.
Another thing to consider is that most new phones aren't much of an upgrade, unless it has a snapdragon in it. Otherwise, most have the same CPU with a 128 Mhz speed boost, and 64-128MB more ram. They do have better LCD screens and have accelerometers. Plus the Tilt does have a weak camera compared to the newer 5.0 Megapixel LED flash cameras.
Personally, I'd hold out until Snapdragon based Android phones with hardware keyboards make a common appearance. Otherwise, save your money, wait for Android to get better on Tilt.
BTW, AT&T has a lot of refurbished Tilt 2 phones that they're practically giving away for free. Getting one of those isn't bad, even though their Android development isn't anywhere near as far as the Tilts.
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The Fuse is a downgrade from the Tilt IMHO. Smaller keyboard, smaller screen, not as healthy a developer community I think. If you are going to upgrade, go with the Tilt 2...I mean comeon, its just damn sexy. But, no I do not think the fuze is a very worth successor.
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Smaller screen not really and vga, keyboard isn't smaller as has numeral 5 line, the community is larger than Kaiser regards turnover, the device has TF3D inc Sense 2.5, the one thing Kaiser does have better than TP build quality, noticed as soon as got TP i had to worry more.
Anyway my advice would be don't go midway buy the best phone you can, in my mind thst would be TP2 or HD2 "if stuck with win-mo" or Nexus1.
Wouldn't hang about for a Win7 device but then i don't fall for hype when so much going to be locked down regards dev.
Fuze gets no love
I'm really surprised that you all don't think better of the Fuze. Compared to the Tilt I know it has these added features....
Faster CPU
Higher resolution
More Ram/Rom
TV Out
FM radio
Accelerometer
Also the cooked Fuze roms are using Sense 2.1 while many of the Kaiser rom threads are being labeled as final. I wrote the to get a status check of the Tilt's activity. Seems there are still die hards in here.
I'm not so sold yet on the Android platform. A couple of articles I remember reading said that its apps marketplace is full of "junk" apps. Don't wanna jump on the fad OS just to have it go out faster then WM is. Yeah WM is at the bottom of the list right now but its what I'm most familiar with.
If AT&T would sell me a refurbish Tilt 2 at a good price without renewing my contract I'd be on it. Who knows when the next long term king of the smartphones will come out and who's gonna have it. I don't wanna be tied down to AT&T and not be able to get out of it.
I literally was going to switch to AT&T, but their recent contract changes for smart phones has made me reconsider. I don't wanna pay $300 just to switch to another provider.
Android is far from a fad. Microsoft and Apple wanna make a closed OS to mimic the revenue of game consoles. For every app that's sold, they make money. Android doesn't force you to get your applications from the market. Not to forget that it's based on linux, which means you will always have a way to improve it. That's why G1 owners are able to get OS upgrades.
The Fuze is an upgrade, but nothing massive. I'm surprised how many smart phones have the Qualcomm MSM7201A ARM 11 at 528 MHz. It's literally on every device, but it's only 128 Mhz faster then the Tilt, and many tilt owners have been able to overclock to 500 Mhz on Android, without any issues.
Like I said, Snapdragon + Hardware keyboard. Don't settle for anything less.
The Raphael does get love
Just that if i had a contract then a TP2 would be easily in grasp so wouldn't buy a secondhand tp, main reason real estate as WVGA get fed up of tiny screen even in VGA since use phone alot....
Iphone?
i would suggest the rhodium or the hd2
even maybe the touch hd
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Iphone?
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Are you crazy? That thing has only one flipping button.
Haven't we learned anything from the 2 button mouse issues with Apple computers in the past?
Dukenukemx said:
Are you crazy? That thing has only one flipping button.
Haven't we learned anything from the 2 button mouse issues with Apple computers in the past?
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i know and they can't multi-task
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Are you crazy? That thing has only one flipping button.
Haven't we learned anything from the 2 button mouse issues with Apple computers in the past?
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It has 2 buttons, and many many virtual buttons.
i know and they can't multi-task
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If you jailbreak you can and if you wait for 4.0 you will be able to natively.

Should I Pick a Nexus One or HTC Desire?

Hey Guys!
I'm very confused with which phone to pick. Desire has better speaker and it seems not many problems compared to Nexus One however i like the looks of Nexus One a lot better since it reminds me of my old iPhone 1G. I have been using an iPhone from last 3 years almost and want to switch.
Both these phones are available in the grey market and will carry very limited warranty. Desire is cheaper by almost 100$.
So for those who have picked a Nexus One, would you switch to HTC Desire if a choice was given?
Some of the problems with Nexus One that I seem to have found out :
1) Touch Sensitive buttons
2) Loudspeaker is not too loud due to bad placement of speaker and the voice is distorted?
3) Issues with the screen where the phone becomes unresponsive and one needs to restart the phone.
4) Screen burn in of Notification bar.
I personally really like the Google branding at the back
Please help me out with your opinion.
Thx
I went from a iPhone 3GS to a Nexus One and I won't ever look back. Also in my opinion the Nexus One is a whole lot better then the Desire in terms of design and also the fact that Google's updates are released 1st on it and the XDA community is so big on the Nexus that literally everyday you can find something new.
In summary, my advise is go with the Nexus.
Yeah! I was hoping Sense UI would be released soon for it through a rom, good updates are available, lets hope a proper one is released with not that many bugs
Issues number 3 & 4 are the same on both phones. Both phones use the same touchscreen and OLED components.
Issue 1:
There is nothing wrong with the touch sensitive buttons. I've never had any troubles with them, they take a little getting used to as they are different then regular pressure buttons. Plus you get a small haptic feedback vibrate when one is pressed so after a while you never notice that they are any different then regular pressure buttons.
Issue 2:
The loudspeaker is about as loud as an iphone, however it is on the back of the phone and if you are looking at the screen it can sound lower because it is not facing any longer.
Issue 3:
Never happened to me. But tech in general sometimes freeze and restart nothing that would be different from nexus one vs the desire.
Issue 4:
Totally abnormal, this can only happen if you NEVER let your screen go to black when it is not is use. To my knowledge the recent post on this problem is the ONLY time i have ever heard this complaint.
Now as to which one to chose that is harder to explain. The are both fonominal phones, not just because they are android, but because they are mildly the same phone bundled differently. I personally would ALWAYS go with the Google branded phones because google tends to favor them, giving them first rights to new updates like froyo, and flash. I personally don't like the way the desire looks with the physical buttons but thats personal.
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Issues number 3 & 4 are the same on both phones. Both phones use the same touchscreen and OLED components.
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Except the Desire uses a black notification bar by default, so the burn-in would be greatly reduced.
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Except the Desire uses a black notification bar by default, so the burn-in would be greatly reduced.
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unless ofcourse if youre using the desire rom
I chose the nexus one over the htc desire. I owned the desire for about 2 weeks and that i wanted a phone with faster browser speeds cause all i do is browse the web and watch youtube videos. long story short, i sold the desire, then picked up the nexus and rooted it the desire rom. THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS! HTC DESIRE WITH NEXUS 3G SPEEDS.
I just went through all this, to me the desire is the nicer phone, and sense is an improvement on an already good UI. But the prospect of a 2.2 update swayed me to buy the nexus. The touch button issue isnt a big deal, you get used to them and touching the top half.
The nexus tracker ball isnt as ugly as i thought it would be, it much smaller than the one on my magic. If HTC didn't already have a bad history of updating the android version on their sense phones i'd have def gone for the desire.
BTW people always say you can use custom roms, i used loads on my magic and they were always unstable in some way and in the end I went back to standard.
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BTW people always say you can use custom roms, i used loads on my magic and they were always unstable in some way and in the end I went back to standard.
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You are forgetting the the Nexus has a whole lot more support from the community in terms of development which is why I have yet to try a unstable ROM...
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I am not a fan of Sense UI, and love vanilla Android.
With Froyo, I'm sure they have fixed the dodgy screen calibration too, as the capacitive buttons now respond when pressed in the "proper" place, as opposed to half a centimetre higher above the icon, which was the case before.
If you're not bothered by Sense, like the idea of having an FM radio, and are not interested in having the latest release of Android before everyone else, or custom ROMs, then I'd say go for the Desire.
Otherwise, Nexus all the way.
1. Touch sensitive buttons are much better responsive on Froyo but still not perfect.
2. The speakers are fine. Noise cancellation is great. The inbuilt speaker on the back is pretty **** tho'.
3 & 4 as mentioned. Both model will suffer from this.
Want Desire ROM.. Paul got it.
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I've never come across an unstable rom for the Nexus.
From what I hear, people are also bricking their Desires when trying to unlock and root them. The Nexus One has built in support for unlocking, so no brick possibility at all unless you flash the wrong radio or interrupt the radio flash.
And you might only flash a radio every 6 months or so, if that much.
If there's a way to remove sense ui completely then I might consider the desire.
i like the sense ui and plan to run it. Which is the most stable version? Afaik, the recent roms are having issues with long text messages and other things.
The only thing that will make your decision is if you want Sense UI or not. That's something you can't use other peoples opinions about because some people hate it (me) and some people love it. I'd say use Sense UI and use a stock Android ROM and see which one you want. Also look at the pros and cons of each and see what features you want the most.
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I'd say if you like Sense UI get the Desire. That's what its there for. Personally I love stock UI
Nexus One = Froyo, will have to wait months to get it on Desire, and the same will happen when Gingerbread comes and every OS after that so pretty much there is no way I would ever take a Desire over the Nexus One considering they are essentially the same phone. I am considering swapping my Nexus for an EVO though LOL Will be hard to give up Froyo but that 4.3" screen is amazing.

What Will You Get After the Nexus?

So, I'm bored with my Nexus. My battery life blows, I refuse to buy another battery for a phone that I'll be getting rid of soon. Also, I can't stand at&t. I'm wanting to get back to Big Red every day. Lucky for me, my contract termination date is soon.
That said, I love the Nexus, I bought it because of it's top-of the line technology. I don't want a Droid 2 it's too thick. The Droid X is too big, plus it's been out since July. Which means that a new one will be out sooner or later. Too bad the N2 is t-mo and maybe at&t, but I really don't want to lock-in to at&t for another 2 years.
Anybody else in this boat? What are you planning on doing? I'm hoping that the next generation android phones come out soon, face cameras and all. Anybody got any good rumors about new "super-phones"?
Nexus One is a beautiful product... I would like to wait for Nexus Two if there is any~ I got my Nexus One on 2nd March.
have been using it for 9 months and I still have 92% usable battery capacity..
I agree it is beautiful. I noticed you're in Australia, for which I'm very jealous. However, I'm not sure what the Australian Android scene is like down there, but it's changing daily here in the US.
Check out the battery cal thread. We just got the battery changes into pershoot's kernel this week. So now you can pull all your battery values from the battery EEPROM chip, and tweak them. We are experimenting with squeezing out more capacity now that we can change voltage, current, etc. Check the battery thread for more info
nothing for awhile, i just upgraded from my G1 to a N1 3 weeks ago and i don't honestly see anything hardware wise ground breaking happening that will make me want to get a new phone anytime soon.
a buddy of mine has the droid X, nice phone but man that screen looks like crap compared to the AMOLED screen the viewing angles not that it matters is very bad on them as well.
I think when they come up with a newer battery tech or phones that can have 2x+ the battery life and still be just as good as an N1 i would consider it but it's not going to happen for at least a year if not longer. in the mean time i don't have problems with battery life on average days and when i know i will be away from home/work for awhile i have a spare charged battery to make sure it stays alive
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So, I'm bored with my Nexus. My battery life blows, I refuse to buy another battery for a phone that I'll be getting rid of soon. Also, I can't stand at&t. I'm wanting to get back to Big Red every day. Lucky for me, my contract termination date is soon.
That said, I love the Nexus, I bought it because of it's top-of the line technology. I don't want a Droid 2 it's too thick. The Droid X is too big, plus it's been out since July. Which means that a new one will be out sooner or later. Too bad the N2 is t-mo and maybe at&t, but I really don't want to lock-in to at&t for another 2 years.
Anybody else in this boat? What are you planning on doing? I'm hoping that the next generation android phones come out soon, face cameras and all. Anybody got any good rumors about new "super-phones"?
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As soon as something that has a high quality build with a good camera equipped, I will jump ship. As of right now, I don't think that any Android phone has a good camera (in my opinion). I think we definitely live in an age where cellphone cameras can replace digital cameras but, unfortunately, there is no Android phone that has impressed me yet in the imaging department.
I agree. My wife wife has an iPhone 3G and I can brag all day about mu N1 being better. But when it gets to the camera, her phone is much better. Android phones have a long way ti catch up.
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I agree. My wife wife has an iPhone 3G and I can brag all day about mu N1 being better. But when it gets to the camera, her phone is much better. Android phones have a long way ti catch up.
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IPhone 3g vs n1 camera? Lol don't think so
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Droid Terminator... Early next year...
Nexus One has a decent camera, but the video recording quality is atrocious, ie. typical HTC video camera quality. Even the Sony X10 Mini Pro takes better videos (constant 30fps indoors). That's probably the only big knock against my Nexus One.
N1 stays
With currently available options I am unable to justify a switch from N1.
Thats unless someone releases an unlocked phone with a 1.5 dual core processor and 1G RAM with sustainable battery backup.
I'll wait for the next batch of new Android devices from the manufacturers once the WP7(which looks good) dust settles down.
They will pry my N1 from my cold dead hands.
Or whenever there's a device with unlockable bootloader, SIM-free (carrier unlocked), running vanilla Android, and officially a "dev phone" that beats Nexus One's specs.
Here are the features I would really like to have on such a device (in no particular order):
More internal storage. WTF were Google and HTC thinking putting only 512MB in the Nexus One?! With app sizes growing like crazy (e.g. Adobe Flash/Air or any 3D game) you hit the limit at 50-60 apps. Froyo improves things a little, but you're only postponing the inevitable "Device memory low" message. 8GB should be the minimum in today's handsets, preferably closer to 16-32GB.
Hardware keyboard. I'm getting used to Swype, but nothing beats the keyboard. Either slide or candy bar (Droid Pro) form factors will do.
True multi-touch screen. N1's screen is using old technology that registers only 2 points, and not very well at that. Just try crossing the axis while pinch-zooming to see what I mean.
Front-facing camera. I know it's a gimmick, but there are some pretty cool apps in the works that take advantage of it.
Better main camera. I'm not talking "moar megapiksels", I mean higher quality optics.
Larger and better screen. N1's 3.7 inches is a good enough size for a mobile device, but only just. I'd really prefer my next handset to have at least a 4.3" screen. Also, assuming Samsung stops hogging their Super AMOLEDs, I'd love to have that because of its supposed battery savings.
Larger battery. At some point we need to realize that with our changing usage habits, those 1500 mAh batteries just don't last for one day. Faster processors, GPU accelerated OS, bigger screens, and overall increased usage all take a toll. It's not your grandfather's Blackberry that sits in his pocket all day. 2400 mAh should be the standard nowadays, even if it makes the phone a millimeter thicker than the iPhone.
Better GPU. Sorry to say, but N1's Adreno 200 is a piece of crap. Forget Galaxy S, it can't even compare to the original Droid's PowerVR chip! I don't play many 3D intensive games on my Nexus One, but the ones I do are barely able to run. Gimme a Tegra2 or ARM's new Mali processor, and we're talkin'
More efficient CPU. It doesn't even need to be faster than 1GHz. As the G2 proved, clock speeds don't mean anything. Multi-core, better architecture, etc. should all be coming very soon to Android manufacturers.
HDMI-out port. Not all of my TVs at home are networkable, so having a video tank is very desirable to me.
CDMA and GSM (both T-Mobile ant AT&T 3G frequencies) radios. SIM lock is not the only thing restricting me from switching between carriers. I'm willing to pay extra to be free from any one particular network. Of course LTE, WiMAX and other future technologies will make this point moot. For the foreseeable future though, just CDMA and GSM radios will do.
Now I realize that with all these features comes a hefty price tag, but I'm willing to pay it. I don't want a carrier subsidy, I just want a kick-ass handset that will do what I want it to do.
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They will pry my N1 from my cold dead hands.
Or whenever there's a device with unlockable bootloader, SIM-free (carrier unlocked), running vanilla Android, and officially a "dev phone" that beats Nexus One's specs.
Here are the features I would really like to have on such a device (in no particular order):
More internal storage. WTF were Google and HTC thinking putting only 512MB in the Nexus One?! With app sizes growing like crazy (e.g. Adobe Flash/Air or any 3D game) you hit the limit at 50-60 apps. Froyo improves things a little, but you're only postponing the inevitable "Device memory low" message. 8GB should be the minimum in today's handsets, preferably closer to 16-32GB.
Hardware keyboard. I'm getting used to Swype, but nothing beats the keyboard. Either slide or candy bar (Droid Pro) form factors will do.
True multi-touch screen. N1's screen is using old technology that registers only 2 points, and not very well at that. Just try crossing the axis while pinch-zooming to see what I mean.
Front-facing camera. I know it's a gimmick, but there are some pretty cool apps in the works that take advantage of it.
Better main camera. I'm not talking "moar megapiksels", I mean higher quality optics.
Larger and better screen. N1's 3.7 inches is a good enough size for a mobile device, but only just. I'd really prefer my next handset to have at least a 4.3" screen. Also, assuming Samsung stops hogging their Super AMOLEDs, I'd love to have that because of its supposed battery savings.
Larger battery. At some point we need to realize that with our changing usage habits, those 1500 mAh batteries just don't last for one day. Faster processors, GPU accelerated OS, bigger screens, and overall increased usage all take a toll. It's not your grandfather's Blackberry that sits in his pocket all day. 2400 mAh should be the standard nowadays, even if it makes the phone a millimeter thicker than the iPhone.
Better GPU. Sorry to say, but N1's Adreno 200 is a piece of crap. Forget Galaxy S, it can't even compare to the original Droid's PowerVR chip! I don't play many 3D intensive games on my Nexus One, but the ones I do are barely able to run. Gimme a Tegra2 or ARM's new Mali processor, and we're talkin'
More efficient CPU. It doesn't even need to be faster than 1GHz. As the G2 proved, clock speeds don't mean anything. Multi-core, better architecture, etc. should all be coming very soon to Android manufacturers.
HDMI-out port. Not all of my TVs at home are networkable, so having a video tank is very desirable to me.
CDMA and GSM (both T-Mobile ant AT&T 3G frequencies) radios. SIM lock is not the only thing restricting me from switching between carriers. I'm willing to pay extra to be free from any one particular network. Of course LTE, WiMAX and other future technologies will make this point moot. For the foreseeable future though, just CDMA and GSM radios will do.
Now I realize that with all these features comes a hefty price tag, but I'm willing to pay it. I don't want a carrier subsidy, I just want a kick-ass handset that will do what I want it to do.
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That would be freaking awsome. I will have my Nexus One until a "Nexus two" is coming . Still very happy with it, had it for like 8 months now.
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Here are the features I would really like to have on such a device (in no particular order):
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That's why, after a lot of deliberation, I'm getting the LG Optimus 2X
All I want is another aluminum uni-body, ulockable-bootloader phone (just like the Nexus One) with the following feature:
a dual-core 1GHz+ processor
at least 1 GB of on-board storage
sdcard slot
I don't think that is too much to ask, is it? So far, From what I see out there, I'm sticking with my N1. If the HTC DesireHD2/Pyramid actually exists and has a dual-core processor, I'll likely jump to that IFF we can get S-OFF.
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All I want is another aluminum uni-body, ulockable-bootloader phone (just like the Nexus One) with the following feature:
a dual-core 1GHz+ processor
at least 1 GB of on-board storage
sdcard slot
I don't think that is too much to ask, is it? So far, From what I see out there, I'm sticking with my N1. If the HTC DesireHD2/Pyramid actually exists and has a dual-core processor, I'll likely jump to that IFF we can get S-OFF.
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what exactly is S-OFF with all these new HTC phones? i keep seeing it around but i am not familiar with what it is.
to answer this thread, i've been in upgrade hell, i simply cant figure out what i would want to replace my nexus one with. nothing out there seems to be "better" than the nexus one for me. is it too hard to get a nice solid aluminum 3.7-4 inch phone with notification light and build quality? the desire s is the highest on my list right now, but that stupid side-charge port turns me off. and no notification light. couldnt they just make the charge port on the bottom like normal?
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what exactly is S-OFF with all these new HTC phones? i keep seeing it around but i am not familiar with what it is.
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S-OFF stands for Security Off. Without getting technical, think of is as an unlocked bootloader.
I'll go for the HTC Pyramid if it shows up unlocked & 4G for tmob usa. Keeping my great N1 till then...
next phone
for me it has to be htc iv experimented and the dev support is with htc it will be a sense phone i cant stand stock
I am going to keep my N1 until the LG Optimus G2x or HTC Pyramid come out on Tmo, but I will wait to see if the Cyanogen team support them. I am not willing to get a phone without CM, or not being able to use custom Roms.
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[Q] EVO vs Epic?

So I've seen a few of these threads, but neither were really much help. I'm either already eligible or will soon be eligible for an upgrade, and I'm really thinking about getting either the Epic or the Evo. The Evo is a big contender, just because it's made by HTC and the camera is better, from what I've seen (haven't really seen video/pics from the Epic yet. Basically, the only thing I'm really hoping for is better battery life than I'm currently getting with my Hero (probably won't see the need to overclock whichever phone I get, I'll underclock it a bit if anything, I'm happy with the speed of my Hero at 629mhz).
So basically, it comes down to:
Price: which is cheaper, where can I get the best deal? 2 year extension, and my price *should* be the same as the new customer pricing.
Battery Life: will it be better than the 6 hours or so I get with my Hero?
CM6 availability: I'll probably stick with this ROM, I love it so much on my Hero.
camera: is the Epic's camera better than my Hero's? Also, this isn't completely about MP, since it's the actual quality of the sensor that makes the difference. Do either/both have an LED flash?
form factor: I have no problem with a device being completely touch-based, but from what I've seen/experienced with the Epic, I really like the keyboard.
known issues: what issues are known for each device? I know of GPS with the Epic, but are there any issues to keep an eye out for on the Evo?
HTC vs Samsung: I got the Hero over the Moment simply because despite the Moment's better specs, the Hero just "felt" better. How does the slider on the Epic feel? Sturdy? This isnt something I've really seen in reviews. Overall build quality of the phone? Any crazy Hero-esque dust issues with either phone? I also have seen some chipping/peeling of paint on my phone, any wear issues with either phone?
futureproofing: what's the life span of each phone look like? I know the Evo is probably coming up on EOL, and I've heard rumors of an Evo 2 for a while.
Hopefully we can keep this fairly unbiased, but I'm sure I'll get some people saying that one is better just because of whatever, but I'm hoping that I'll get some flat out opinions from both sides of the fence.
Really Me would be EVO. I can't bring myself to trust samsung anymore..
Who cares bout the life span anymore. I mean hell new phones come out everyday.etc.
I mean If you got the EVO right now. will It be underpowered this time next year? Doubt it.
I have an Evo, but I'll keep this as unbiased as I can. I know hardly anything about the Epic.
1.The Evo is $50 cheaper than the Epic with a two year contract.
2. Runing CM6, I get about eighteen hours of total on time, and six and a half with the screen on (texting, web browsing, all that). I'm a pretty heavy user. However, the Evo is infamous for its bad battery life in reviews and such. I never had any problems, and most of the battery issues had to do with the phone not sleeping or account syncs eating up the battery. I don't make any compromises (like keeping 3G off or turning my syncs off) to get the numbers I listed. I don't know anything about the Epic's battery.
3. CM6 RC1 is available for the Evo. The dev support is really strong. Epic doesn't have much dev support from what I've heard.
4. The Evo's camera isn't very good. It shoots 720p video, but with the stock Sense ROM (and custom Sense ROMs) it's only good quality with plenty of light. The general consensus is that the code written for the camera isn't very good.
5. This is completely opinion. I know there are times when a physical keyboard would be nice, but I have no problems with an onscreen keyboard and Swype.
6. The Evo had screen separation issues and light leak issues, but they weren't widespread and Sprint will fix you up if you run into one of those things. I didn't.
7. This is the same reason I chose the Evo over the Epic. It just felt better, for whatever reason. The build quality is very good on the Evo. My only problem with the phone's design is that the battery cover is pretty thin. It gives slightly when you put pressure on it.The screen and the rest of the phone is solid. I've heard some people complain about dust under the screen. I've had my Evo since August and haven't had that issue.
8. Not sure. I know that there have been rumours about some dual-core phones hitting the market in Q1/Q2 2011, but I can't see myself needing anything other than my Evo until then.
I hope that helps. I don't know a whole lot about the Epic. I know that the screen is fantastic, but the dev support isn't that great and to me, the Evo just feels better. I'm not an HTC fanboy or anything - if somebody took my Evo and gave me an Epic, I'm sure I wouldn't be too upset.
I agree, it'd be an evo for me, not a huge samsung/physical keyboard fan myself
The Epic has a gorgeous screen Super AMOLED, a 1GHZ Hummingbird processor and a surprisingly thin form-factor for a slider. The hummingbird is a very fast processor--anecdotally it runs way better than the snapdragon. Despite all these goodies, it is a Samsung and I'm done with them. My Samsung Moment was a big disappointment of glitches and radio/data lock-ups, rebooting, freezes, etc.
The Evo would be my preferred device, but I'm waiting until March next year (at the latest) to see what comes up.
No matter what, I'm staying with sprint.
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The Epic has a gorgeous screen Super AMOLED, a 1GHZ Hummingbird processor and a surprisingly thin form-factor for a slider. The hummingbird is a very fast processor--anecdotally it runs way better than the snapdragon. Despite all these goodies, it is a Samsung and I'm done with them. My Samsung Moment was a big disappointment of glitches and radio/data lock-ups, rebooting, freezes, etc.
The Evo would be my preferred device, but I'm waiting until March next year (at the latest) to see what comes up.
No matter what, I'm staying with sprint.
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That's my dilemma too. I have noticed that the Epic seems to be smoother/faster than the Evo, and it feels okay, but I heard a bunch of horror stories about the Moment, and Samsung in general to some extent.
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That's my dilemma too. I have noticed that the Epic seems to be smoother/faster than the Evo, and it feels okay, but I heard a bunch of horror stories about the Moment, and Samsung in general to some extent.
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Honestly this is a decision you have to make on your own. What you want. If I had an upgrade right now I would pass due to lack of phones I want (mytouch4g for sprint). If I had to choose though right now between evo and samsung epic, hands down evo. Samsung support sucks of all the devices they made read up on the behold 2. They got it bad. This is pretty much a continuing thing with samsung. If you like cyanogen it's already got support on the evo. The evo is kinda big though like a tablet (damn I'm thinking about android tablets again). Basically only reason I would choose evo is it's support base. I don't get lured in by prettyness (is that a word?). Real support can make or break a phone in my opinion. Story time ...
once upon a time I was with at&t bought an unlocked windows mobile phone from overpriced.com. AT&T wouldn't give me the mms settings (even though the phone was sold at at&t stores) and couldn't find them online. I tried and tried and eventually figured out at&t wasn't for me. They made my phone useless. Not much of a story.
Also samsung doesn't officially have drivers for windows 64. Try and find them. I've got them now due to looking all over the place don't believe me? Go through that mess samsung calls a website.
Sorry I really don't like samsung. I have really good reasons though
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The Epic has a gorgeous screen Super AMOLED, a 1GHZ Hummingbird processor and a surprisingly thin form-factor for a slider. The hummingbird is a very fast processor--anecdotally it runs way better than the snapdragon. Despite all these goodies, it is a Samsung and I'm done with them. My Samsung Moment was a big disappointment of glitches and radio/data lock-ups, rebooting, freezes, etc.
The Evo would be my preferred device, but I'm waiting until March next year (at the latest) to see what comes up.
No matter what, I'm staying with sprint.
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Yup, same with me, I want dual core!!!
to comment on your worry about the phone being underpowered in a year, think of it like this... Unless someone comes up with a new battery that literally revolutionizes the way we power portable electronics, you are going to suffer greatly from anything much faster than a 1ghz, and id even argue that that is too overpowered for what the battery can handle. sure a 1.5 ghz dual core processor sounds all well and good on paper, but its gonna get to the point that your "cell phone" is a land line that can come off the charger for a short period of time if you need it to. Also, keep in mind (as already posted), a new phone literally pops up every other week. No matter how long you wait for the next great phone, there will always be the speculation of yet another phone.
The question also leads me to ask people what in the world are they doing on their phone that they need a 1.5 ghz processor!? i have a hero overclocked slightly running cm6.1 stable, and its plently fast. there has NEVER been a time with my hero that I have been in a position that if i could access something 2 seconds quicker that it would have had even the slightest impact on my task at hand.
Personally, I would go with the Evo, simply bc the development seems to be significantly better for it. from samsungs past, you arent going to get many updates in any type of timely fashion, so if you want the newest OS, thats gonna mean looking to the dev's, and at the current time, its nowhere near on par with that of the Evo
I know i didnt really answer too many of your specific questions, but i think they are still good points to keep in mind
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to comment on your worry about the phone being underpowered in a year, think of it like this... Unless someone comes up with a new battery that literally revolutionizes the way we power portable electronics, you are going to suffer greatly from anything much faster than a 1ghz, and id even argue that that is too overpowered for what the battery can handle. sure a 1.5 ghz dual core processor sounds all well and good on paper, but its gonna get to the point that your "cell phone" is a land line that can come off the charger for a short period of time if you need it to. Also, keep in mind (as already posted), a new phone literally pops up every other week. No matter how long you wait for the next great phone, there will always be the speculation of yet another phone.
The question also leads me to ask people what in the world are they doing on their phone that they need a 1.5 ghz processor!? i have a hero overclocked slightly running cm6.1 stable, and its plently fast. there has NEVER been a time with my hero that I have been in a position that if i could access something 2 seconds quicker that it would have had even the slightest impact on my task at hand.
Personally, I would go with the Evo, simply bc the development seems to be significantly better for it. from samsungs past, you arent going to get many updates in any type of timely fashion, so if you want the newest OS, thats gonna mean looking to the dev's, and at the current time, its nowhere near on par with that of the Evo
I know i didnt really answer too many of your specific questions, but i think they are still good points to keep in mind
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Forget battery life if I have a 1.5 GHz dual core phone
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i have a hero overclocked slightly running cm6.1 stable...
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When did that (CM 6.1 stable) come out?
something like three weeks ago? 10/28
Opinion...
first of all....i would probably get an Evo before epic, but what i noticed in the thread was...well a lot of people are trying to compare the moment and epic(i had moment and i'm done with samsung)i just dont think its right....
i mean...it is the same thing to compare hero and evo...
there's just no comparison....
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something like three weeks ago? 10/28
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Technically, it's RC... isn't it? I mean, it is stable enough for everyday use... but still.
andythegreenguy said:
Technically, it's RC... isn't it? I mean, it is stable enough for everyday use... but still.
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Correct.
Also, Epic still doesn't have a date for 2.2, ouch.
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Technically, it's RC... isn't it? I mean, it is stable enough for everyday use... but still.
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Yeh, if you are being technical. But typically that's what's referred to as the "stable" build.
get whatever makes u happy.lol
If I was still with sprint I would pass on both. since i dont want to pay 10 bucks extra a month.. Sprint needs something like the incredible.. but without 4g.. but its either pay extra for the evo or epic or the hero. cause honestly wouldnt mess with those budget androids on sprint..
Just remember most if not all HTC androids will have better support than samsung or lg etc.. not to mention You will find way more cases and battery options with HTC too.
i was in the exact same boat as op. i went and played with both for about an hour. the choice was clearly Evo
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Yup, same with me, I want dual core!!!
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I'm with you. Just hope I don't have to wait too much past Jan/Feb for it. I'm eligible for an upgrade 12/1, but I know there's some great new hardware coming soon!
get an evo my friend. the epic is only for people who need a keyboard. the screen on the epic is awesome but i think the evo has more development and roms. best phone ive purchased soo far is my evo.

[Q] Any Regrets?

For those of you who have purchased the Vivid, any regrets? Why?
None so far for me. I switched from an Inspire and it is a nice improvement in all areas except for development, for now at least.
The screen and improved camera were enough to make it an easy decision for me to switch.
I exchanged from the SGS2 to the Vivid. Wasn't sure which LTE device I wanted. I went with the qHD display because I liked it more so than the SA+. The one thing I regret at the moment is the lack of development so far. The Skyrocket being so close to T-Mobile's version is off to a great start in that department. I had an Atrix before, so I'm used to waiting anyway. With other carriers releasing HTC devices with 1.5ghz makes me feel like there will be a new HTC LTE device being rolled out shortly.
none yet.
I broke the screen on my Dell Streak back in March.
Heard about the HTC Holiday 2 days later.
Waited months for it to come to the US... all the while using a phone with a broken screen.
Became upgrade eligible in August...
I finally gave up waiting and bought the SGSII...
12 hours later (no, i'm not joking.) AT&T announced the Vivid(Holiday)...
I kept the SGSII for a week, seeing if it's annoying over-saturation and ultra light weight would grow on me...
Bought the Vivid on Launch Day.
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GTTG_Atomik said:
With other carriers releasing HTC devices with 1.5ghz makes me feel like there will be a new HTC LTE device being rolled out shortly.
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I wouldn't worry about it...
It appears our phone has the 1.5 in it as well, just underclocked to save battery life.
See Here
Skyrocket
PROCESSOR
Manufacturer: Qualcomm
Model: APQ 8060
Clock speed: 1.5 GHz
Number of cores: 2
Vivid
PROCESSOR
Manufacturer: Qualcomm
Model: APQ 8060
Clock speed: 1.2 GHz
Number of cores: 2
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HTC has done that before, underclock to save battery.
Nothing so far, everything work as expected, Wifi, GPS, call quality is great. I like the weight on the thing, don't really like litght phones, it's just me.
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i switched from the iphone 4 and im kinda wanting to go back to it, but i think its just that im not use to android and im gonna give it time. the phone though i like a lot, its the browser and mail apps that bug me.
I wholeheartedly regret my decision, for now anyways....see the data connection problems thread.
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This year I've had iPhone 4, inspire, galaxy SII and now the vivid.Every phone has its issues just be patient when they get a perm root and devs get on it , its going to be amazing.
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None, somehow the Vivid feels more complete for me as a phone, maybe i am one of those few who love sense. i dont really care much of development, to me the phone works
Switch from crappy since launch day,love the sense. Always wanted a HTC,and it's as good as expected.
As for development,it's only out for a week. HTC is known to be the fastest mgf to release update,no worry. Not to mention HTC already already announce we will have ICS January.
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Yeah I have to say I love this phone! Came from an atrixand wow, what an improvement. I know we get lower benchmarks but honestly its way better IMO, fast UI and smoother... Can't wait for Roms oh baby
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A benchmark to make ppl happy
Also battery life
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The phone's great for me so far. The only regret I have is the audio quality recorded from the camcorder, it's bad... I thought I'd be able to make it sound better by turning stereo recording off like I did on my Sensation, but unfortunately I was wrong. Hopefully this will be fixed in the future by HTC or developers. :l
So far I love the phone. My only complaint is the less than stellar battery life, but everything else is good, and my battery life seems to be getting better now that it's gone through a few charge cycles & I'm starting to return to using it as a normal phone and not a new gadget! I don't seem to have any of the connectivity problem others complain about, but I'm pretty sure at this point that's a network thing, because the Skyrocket experiences the same issues sometimes. The screen is nice and bright as far as I'm concerned (dare I say it's rather vivid?), and I like the qHD resolution. I think the speaker's plenty loud enough & call quality's pretty good. And overall I'm just a fan of HTC's Sense over Samsung's TouchWiz. Now if only we could manage to unlock the bootloader!
bjg222 said:
So far I love the phone. My only complaint is the less than stellar battery life, but everything else is good, and my battery life seems to be getting better now that it's gone through a few charge cycles & I'm starting to return to using it as a normal phone and not a new gadget! I don't seem to have any of the connectivity problem others complain about, but I'm pretty sure at this point that's a network thing, because the Skyrocket experiences the same issues sometimes. The screen is nice and bright as far as I'm concerned (dare I say it's rather vivid?), and I like the qHD resolution. I think the speaker's plenty loud enough & call quality's pretty good. And overall I'm just a fan of HTC's Sense over Samsung's TouchWiz. Now if only we could manage to unlock the bootloader!
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Yep... what he said! Word for word, that's exactly how I feel about the phone too. Thanks for typing that up for me
SnoopHogg said:
Yep... what he said! Word for word, that's exactly how I feel about the phone too. Thanks for typing that up for me
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Haha, glad I could save your fingers some effort!
Coming from a Tilt 2, this phone is amazing! No more worrying about running out of memory. No more watching the battery guage go from 100% to 70% just by sitting on my nightstand overnight! No more typing and watching the letters show up on the screen 5 seconds later! Also, I love the qHD screen.
For my first Android phone, I think I made a wise choice!
I have no regrets about the phone, but getting angrier by the day about the bootloader. Seems absurd that htcdev doesn't have the unlock tool on day 1, let alone day 10, especially since its brother models are up there. Grumble, grumble...
I went to the Vivid from my trusty Inspire. The Vivid doesn't seem to be as sturdy as the Inspire, but still a nice phone. The 1.2 GHz dual core proc keeps everything running slick and smooth, but all that power sure generates some heat! This thing gets super hot when I run GPS, Bluetooth Audio, and other stuff at the same time. As soon as this thing gets an AOSP rom... it will be great!
-TH
I regret getting this phone, but I couldn't tell you a better option it's so hard to tell with phones without living with one for a week beforehand, and I don't have that luxury. I am displeased with some things within this phone to the point where I would move if I was given the option. I look at other phones and really I couldn't tell if I would actually like them once I had them.
If I could get an android from Telstra with a full slide out keyboard, that wasn't a low/mid range 450Mhtz snooze fest, I would jump ship so very quickly, I'm a fan of physical keyboards. Next time around though I think my main guiding factor will be stock android (ie a Nexus of some variety, or a phone that gets stock android asap)
Pro's
1. Camera is pretty nice, microphone is rubbish for vid, but the picture quality is very nice
2. Battery is pretty good under ICS, no android has awesome battery, but this I am finding pleasantly surprising.
3. Lots of internal space for apps and media
4. microSD card slot.
5. LTE, in Australia this is the only LTE handset currently available.
6. MHL compatibility is pretty nice with video output to HDMI via the adaptor.
7. Cheap accessories from ebay, covers and stuff are common, they are however unheard-of in shops in Australia, cant even get a screen protector or a cover from Telstra themselves, and they offer no solution beyond ebay
Con's
1. This is the first "sense" android I have used long term, and I gave it a good run but I hate sense so very much, and the ICS update to sense 3.6 made sense worse for me, sure its lighter and faster now, but features I want are now gone. I came from mostly using GB MIUI on a HTC HD2 to this phone with sense, and sense is just so far behind MIUI it's not even funny, sense feels like winmo 6.5, I was so disappointed.
2. Due to many reasons, not necessarily the handsets fault, the development options and ROM selection is quite limited, I came from a HTC HD2, which could run anything under the sun, and had developers coming out of the wazoo, even supported dual-booting and running ROM's from the SD card, including full desktop operating systems, I miss that hack-ability of the HD2.
3. The back cover falls off all the damn time, I can't get the damn thing to stick. Even if under another cover, it slides up and interferes with the speaker and the flash/lens of the camera, all of a sudden my photos are darker and I'll be like, wait not again, YES THE DAMNED BACK COVER AGAIN! This is a retarded design.
4. HTC's version of exchange email support is rubbish, the stock android app is miles ahead of it, I don't know why they feel they need to rewrite it because they replace awesome with mediocre.
5. USB mounting of the drives are hit and miss, sometimes both volumes don't mount, or none mount, other times they are good for 50 disconnection/reconnection in a row.
6. on the stock OTA update for ICS, issues with the screen remaining dull/not adjusting properly and all of the missing options that GB had are driving me nuts.
7. if I roll back to GB and attach my phone to exchange using the same account, I can install APK's still, under ICS with the same account, the security option is hidden from me... I can no longer install APK's under ICS.
8. whilst streaming music to my A2DP car adapter, I cannot find any way to get the email notifications to NOT interfere with the music, even if I remove all notifications it still makes the music "skip" slightly when an email comes in... this is frustrating, thought I feel it is an ICS issue as this wasn't a problem with GB.
Just my experience, if someone offered to swap a galaxy nexus I'd probably jump at the opportunity, and I'm kicking myself that I didn't take it (it was an option available at the time I needed a new phone).

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