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Big difference: With and without backcover!

Hey people, look at these 2 pictures, that I just have taken:
With the backcover on:
http://www.4shared.com/file/53179104/2a29789d/Med_cover.html
And without:
http://www.4shared.com/file/53179169/2c2a3a6/Uden_cover.html
As you can see, there is a big difference. Hmm, why haven't HTC done something to this problem?

Are you sure you were at the same distance?
And what about the focus point? It seems a bit different between the 2 pics.....

flaviopac said:
Are you sure you were at the same distance?
And what about the focus point? It seems a bit different between the 2 pics.....
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Yes I'm very sure about that. I have tried with more pictures.

did you stick a 'lense protector' on the cover's lense screen? like if you stuck on a full body protector like invisibleSHIELD there'll be a piece for the lense cover too.
Or, did you forget to peel off the original one?

happyguy82 said:
did you stick a 'lense protector' on the cover's lense screen? like if you stuck on a full body protector like invisibleSHIELD there'll be a piece for the lense cover too.
Or, did you forget to peel off the original one?
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Haha, no i'm not that stupid Nothing "protection" is on.

the "lens" that is part of the back cover is obviously not optically neutral. Pretty lame if you ask me.

Syphon Filter said:
the "lens" that is part of the back cover is obviously not optically neutral. Pretty lame if you ask me.
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Without the back cover, the Diamond takes decent pictures, still slow on focusing and shutter release(you should see the Samsung F480, this little fellow shoots pictures almost like a normal digital cam) but pretty good for a 3.2 MP cam.
WITH back cover however, the pictures look like crap to me. Sometimes it looks like if the pictures have been taken through light fog and I can clean the lens cover as much as I want(not easy, tiny little bastard), after some time, the lens gets dirty/whatever again. Horrible, HTC definetely needs to find a better solution.

Here some more http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1365731&page=43&pp=15
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remove the small mirorr in a back cover that protect the camera from dust

Aqrab said:
remove the small mirorr in a back cover that protect the camera from dust
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It will "destroy" the backcover? hmm. And when the mirror is gone, dust can easier come into the camera lens?

mooooooa said:
It will "destroy" the backcover? hmm. And when the mirror is gone, dust can easier come into the camera lens?
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look i didnt try it but i think if we remove it the camera quality will increase
the htc p3600 and the touch dual doesnt have mirror for camera

Aqrab said:
look i didnt try it but i think if we remove it the camera quality will increase
the htc p3600 and the touch dual doesnt have mirror for camera
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Yes, of course the quality will increase, when a cheap plastic cover is removed But hmm, my Diamond is 2 days old, and I don't want to already destroy a part of the cover

mooooooa said:
Yes, of course the quality will increase, when a cheap plastic cover is removed But hmm, my Diamond is 2 days old, and I don't want to already destroy a part of the cover
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the problem is man that
when we want to clean the mirror we cant clean it good from the outside
we need to clean it to get better quality

Aqrab said:
the problem is man that
when we want to clean the mirror we cant clean it good from the outside
we need to clean it to get better quality
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But we can't clean the mirror everytime we just wanna take a picture. That's not a good way?

mooooooa said:
But we can't clean the mirror everytime we just wanna take a picture. That's not a good way?
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well ideally you should or you should remember not to put you fingers on the lens (not an easy task given the camera position i know) but lets be fair here, i mean its not as if you would take your stand alone digital camera, smear you greasy hands over the lens all day (+ let dust collect on it) and then expect it to take perfect pics...
be practical, if you remove the case screen for long you are gonna end up with scratches on the actual camera lens! and that's not easily replaceable now is it (not like the back cover...) lol

mooooooa said:
But we can't clean the mirror everytime we just wanna take a picture. That's not a good way?
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yah i know
im jast saying when we want to clean it
remember not to put your fingers on the lens

What we need is a back cover with a piece of glass in place of the piece of plastic which covers the lense.
This seems like the only solution to me.
Its because the plastic isnt very durable, it does mist up the photos. If you look on coolsmartphone.com ive also took some pictures and they looked alot better without the back plastic cover on.
I just hope someone somewhere is reading this as i would pay for a back cover with glass instead of plastic lense cover.
The pictures are alot sharper and arent misty without the cover on.

tomchap said:
What we need is a back cover with a piece of glass in place of the piece of plastic which covers the lense.
This seems like the only solution to me.
Its because the plastic isnt very durable, it does mist up the photos. If you look on coolsmartphone.com ive also took some pictures and they looked alot better without the back plastic cover on.
I just hope someone somewhere is reading this as i would pay for a back cover with glass instead of plastic lense cover.
The pictures are alot sharper and arent misty without the cover on.
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Your right!

white balance
Granted the backcover lens protector doesn't do justice to this phone. Adjusting the white balance does for improvement (say the lighhtbulb mode) I find. Again the camera does let this phone down, compared to others of similar spec. Can a software tweak solve the lag in motion when shooting in video mode at all? Is it as a 'simple' case as that I wonder!?

I just did some test shots with my xda diamond from germany and I honestly cant see a difference. can you tell which one is taken with the cover off?

fish-eye lens

anyone tried one of these?
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.22880
my guess is that the square shape of the HD2 camera will make it difficult to find something like this that will work. anyone know of one that does fit?

for 2.50 its not gonna break the bank.
buy one, try it, if it doesnt work, never mind, if it does, let me know so i can get one

Why not a software fish-eye?

mdmhd2 said:
Why not a software fish-eye?
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tried one of those on the wife's android phone. looks a bit rubbish, tbh.

mdmhd2 said:
Why not a software fish-eye?
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Because a software fisheye effect only gives you the look of a fisheye while doing nothing for your viewing angle. With a fisheye, it actually gives you a wider angle of view, usually 180*.

batterycover reason for bad pics

Hi
Did just now try to take a picture with and without the backcover on the phone, and without it, the picturs just looks so much more colorful and nice. How do we fix this?
An example: img851[dot]imageshack[dot]us/g/img047d.jpg/
Change the [dot] to real dots. (duh)
Sorry for bad eng, but I hope you understand.

kruppin said:
Hi
Did just now try to take a picture with and without the backcover on the phone, and without it, the picturs just looks so much more colorful and nice. How do we fix this?
Sorry for bad eng, but I hope you understand.
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I also have this question after saw the LG VS iPhone photo and video quality test. The O2x's photo like have a white filter and non colorful .
I already ordered it and waiting for arrive. Can u post some compare photo? The original and without the back cover?
Is it possible to replace the Transparent part by DIY a higher quality glass/plastic?

It's night here, so only indoor photos, but you'll get the idea.
And WHY do LG-Home FC every single time I put it into USB Mass Storage? Need custom roms, now!
Anyways, here's the link to some photos packaged with winrar. The last two is shot in a half-dark room with the flash.
www[dot]megaupload[dot]com/?d=NRUVCSR0
Apparently I couldn't post links, so change the [dot] to actual dots.

Kruppin, I get "The file you are trying to access is temporarily unavailable. Please try again later" when I try to download. Got another location to dl from?
Edit: Nevermind, the link is working again
Thanks!
I did try this myself now, but couldn't see any difference. But it might be because its dark here now and cant really get any good shots anyway.

drrogern said:
Kruppin, I get "The file you are trying to access is temporarily unavailable. Please try again later" when I try to download. Got another location to dl from?
Edit: Nevermind, the link is working again
Thanks!
I did try this myself now, but couldn't see any difference. But it might be because its dark here now and cant really get any good shots anyway.
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Ofc you get it working right when i've uploaded it elsewhere. Hm, maby you've got a better glass, cus if i look through it, it's like "milky" or something. Anyway, another guy on swedroid noticed it too, so I thought it was for everyone.

Kruppin, yeah typical I'l probably try this tomorrow. Lets just hope there's a replacement cover to order somewhere soon if this really is the case
Btw, thanks for the info!

I tried this myself and i couldn't believe my eyes, the difference is pretty massive.
on the plus-side the camera is actually REALLY good without the back cover on

eurit said:
I tried this myself and i couldn't believe my eyes, the difference is pretty massive.
on the plus-side the camera is actually REALLY good without the back cover on
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Yeah, it's like "Wait, I'm just gonna take the backcover of so I can get a decent picture"
But I just can't beleve LG made THIS of a big screwup, i mean, I don't know what to say, I'm speachless. And also they didn't say it had "gorilla glass" which only that can be deal-breakers for many. I think they rushed this phone alittle too much. Dont get me wrong, I love it, but it's some small things I just can't understand how they missed. If LG would replace the backcovers, then I would absolutly love them, but that wont ever happen so hopefully someone releases a replacement cover with a better glass, and looks as nice as LGs own.

Okay, some strong alcohol and very much polishing have made it almost as good as w/o. Yay. Just to polish with a cloth didn't work, which is why I made this thread. So try that.

Can you...somehow remove (gently) the plastic glass from the back cover?
edit, im looking at some pics of the back cover, seems impossible to remove it w/o damaging the rest....thank you LGGGGG

kruppin said:
Okay, some strong alcohol and very much polishing have made it almost as good as w/o. Yay. Just to polish with a cloth didn't work, which is why I made this thread. So try that.
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OReally?
What kind of tools should I use for the polishing?
Only alcohol is need? Any other material?

Question is: is it really the glass itself that causes the problem ?
Or could it be that because of the bad positioning of the lens cover fingerprints / dirt can easaly create a fatty film on the glass?

Did you polish the front AND back of the glass or just the side facing outwards?

sounds to me like it could be related to the light sensor being disturbed by the cover

jan1000 said:
Question is: is it really the glass itself that causes the problem ?
Or could it be that because of the bad positioning of the lens cover fingerprints / dirt can easaly create a fatty film on the glass?
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Yes and no, it must be some bad glass, becouse it's enough to just have one fingerprint and the pics sucks again. Or if its too far from the actual lens, so its that what f*cks it up? (It kind of focuses alittle one the fat/dirt) However, I've never got this problem with any other phone, my old N900 for example doesn't care if it's got fingerprints or not. Ofc it doesnt have two glass like the LG have, but thats no excuse.
atkhobby: Yes, I polished both sides of the batterycover. I drained some "cottonsticks" (tops) with alcohol and just polished. BUT, when i touched the glass on the cover again, the picture is worse, but not as bad as first.
Maybe someone knows of something that make glas fat-resistent? I mean, some phones the screen just get fatty almost directly, and some is very resistant and can be cleaned easy.
And again, I hope you can understand my not so good english.

Modifying N7 camera angle

I've found Skype to be a bit awkward on my N7 because the camera is angled at 90degrees from the frame, rather than sloping towards the center of the screen. As a result I have to hold the tablet further away from me, but then I sometimes struggle to hear the audio from the back-facing speaker.
Has anyone else found this? Or, has anyone here heard of other devices where the camera angle has been modified, and how?
Thoughts?

Tilt the tablet slightly
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda premium

Pretty sure anything involving tilting the camera would be more trouble than its worth, you may be able to stick a small refractive lens to the front of it but not sure if anyone makes one.

MikeMurphy said:
I've found Skype to be a bit awkward on my N7 because the camera is angled at 90degrees from the frame, rather than sloping towards the center of the screen. As a result I have to hold the tablet further away from me, but then I sometimes struggle to hear the audio from the back-facing speaker.
Has anyone else found this? Or, has anyone here heard of other devices where the camera angle has been modified, and how?
Thoughts?
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Get a case. The speaker is designed to bounce sound if there's a surface behind it (try putting the tablet flat on a table). Or just hold it such that your hand cups the speaker and redirects sound at your face.

davidcampbell said:
Pretty sure anything involving tilting the camera would be more trouble than its worth, you may be able to stick a small refractive lens to the front of it but not sure if anyone makes one.
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Thanks. I might take my N7 apart and possibly wedge something behind the camera depending on how its secured. A small adjustment to the angle would go a long way.
Will let you know if I am able to make any good progress on this.

uberNoobZA said:
Tilt the tablet slightly
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Thanks for contributing. Unfortunately, I'm at a loss for words that might help you understand what the problem is.
You might want to sit this one out.

MikeMurphy said:
Thanks for contributing. Unfortunately, I'm at a loss for words that might help you understand what the problem is.
You might want to sit this one out.
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He's obviously saying that tilting the tablet up a bit is a lot easier than screwing up something trying to modify the camera. I suggest looking long and hard at tear-downs before you attempt anything.

MikeMurphy said:
Thanks for contributing. Unfortunately, I'm at a loss for words that might help you understand what the problem is.
You might want to sit this one out.
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I know exactly what the problem is. And my suggestion is that the easiest way to fix it is to simply tilt the tablet to aim the camera where you want to aim it. Sorted.

uberNoobZA said:
I know exactly what the problem is. And my suggestion is that the easiest way to fix it is to simply tilt the tablet to aim the camera where you want to aim it. Sorted.
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I wrote that having the camera at a 90 degree angle to the frame makes for awkward Skype conversations.
Now this next part is critical as to why your suggestion doesn't address anything: If I tilt the frame, the camera is still at 90 degrees to the frame. If you don't believe me, try it.
I haven't pulled my N7 apart to do anything other than loosen and tighten the screws. Looking through the bezel at the camera I see what appears to be some space between the camera and the bezel. This might not actually be the case, but it looks like it is. If the camera is anything like the camera built into my S2 it can be slightly angled with some gentle coaxing. Given the narrow angle of the camera optics I don't believe the edge of the bezel would interfere by blocking part of the camera's image, either.
Perhaps a good place to start is the ifixit tear-downs per suggestion above. Thanks!
Cheers,

Had a look through ifixit, see step 13 on the below link.
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Nexus-7-Teardown/9623/2
Unfortunately, the connector appears to be on the wrong axis for easy bending / tilting. It would have to be twisted which doesn't work well.

MikeMurphy said:
Had a look through ifixit, see step 13 on the below link.
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Nexus-7-Teardown/9623/2
Unfortunately, the connector appears to be on the wrong axis for easy bending / tilting. It would have to be twisted which doesn't work well.
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Actually in that teardown, it appears to be attached via a really short ribbon that might flex a little...
So it may be possible, with the right application of something really thin at the front of the camera on the inside edge, and something at the back behind the camera on the outside edge might be enough to tilt it slightly for your purposes, something thin like a tiny slit of paper, or a tiny bit of sticker you could cut from a bumper sticker maybe.

Replacement back for Mix?

Hi All,
Has anyone been able to track down somewhere that is selling a replacement back for the Mix? Mine is scratched quite heavily (likely from using a fairly tight sleeve) and I would really like to replace it....Or for any poor soul out there who has damaged their Mix and would like to sell the back. The irony is the sides of the phone are pristine and not a scratch, not so much on the back.
Thanks in advance

imapfsr said:
Hi All,
Has anyone been able to track down somewhere that is selling a replacement back for the Mix? Mine is scratched quite heavily (likely from using a fairly tight sleeve) and I would really like to replace it....Or for any poor soul out there who has damaged their Mix and would like to sell the back. The irony is the sides of the phone are pristine and not a scratch, not so much on the back.
Thanks in advance
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And here's me thinking it was virtually impossible to scratch.

jazz452 said:
And here's me thinking it was virtually impossible to scratch.
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You are wrong.It is made in China.Enough said.Looks good but who cares about quailty.It is NOT CERAMIC but made to looks like it.
I had it and my suggestion is save money for Galaxy S8+ or something more valuable.

I had to take the pictures with my Galaxy tablet so not the best quality but you get the picture. This is with normal day to day use as well, nothing extreme. I even had the Best Buy film on the back for a few months but got tired of the sharp edges from the film every time i unlocked with the finger print sensor. I am wondering if the chemicals from the glue combined with peeling of the film stripped some of the finish somehow as this is supposed to be so scratch resistant. Maybe just one with a faulty finish.

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I had to take the pictures with my Galaxy tablet so not the best quality but you get the picture. This is with normal day to day use as well, nothing extreme. I even had the Best Buy film on the back for a few months but got tired of the sharp edges from the film every time i unlocked with the finger print sensor. I am wondering if the chemicals from the glue combined with peeling of the film stripped some of the finish somehow as this is supposed to be so scratch resistant. Maybe just one with a faulty finish.
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So the YouTube video is fake or is it your phone, it's been tested against scratches with a hardness of 7, second to none, don't get it. Not one other person complaining I dropped mine when it slipped off a table on it's own while i was in another room,, expecting the worse but not even a mark.

jazz452 said:
So the YouTube video is fake or is it your phone, it's been tested against scratches with a hardness of 7, second to none, don't get it. Not one other person complaining I dropped mine when it slipped off a table on it's own while i was in another room,, expecting the worse but not even a mark.
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Sorry, I am not sure what your point is. I am certainly not making it up as per the pictures. I was only asking if anyone had seen the replacement backs anywhere. I absolutely love his phone but have been disappointed how much is has scratched on the back, not questioning the online videos etc.
By the way, what was the purpose of your post? If you have nothing to contribute to solving the question at hand why say anything?

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Sorry, I am not sure what your point is. I am certainly not making it up as per the pictures. I was only asking if anyone had seen the replacement backs anywhere. I absolutely love his phone but have been disappointed how much is has scratched on the back, not questioning the online videos etc.
By the way, what was the purpose of your post? If you have nothing to contribute to solving the question at hand why say anything?
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Suppose my point was because of shortage of the ceramic maybe they sent some out with different materials.

Mine is just fine after a while of use, both in and out of a protective case, side note mine also doesn't have the "cottage" cheese looking blemishes yours seems to have in the pictures. Its possible to have received a "repaired" one instead of a legit one ... especially if it came from a reseller. There are mentions of this on the xiaomi reddit and other places. its extremely scratch resistant, as much so as any Samsung or other device out there that I have dealt with [and I do service work on phones so I have seen plenty of damaged devices - HUGE number of sub standard Samsung's btw - for the value guy ]
Good luck on finding a part supplier, you MAY find one on Aliexpress ... but there more than likely not going to be genuine parts. Vopmart.com

Thanks to everyone for their feedback. I hope I didnt get a refurb etc, that would suck.

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Thanks to everyone for their feedback. I hope I didnt get a refurb etc, that would suck.
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Had a look about couldn't see any anywhere, don't know what the solution is, hope you come up with something.

Nicolfa said:
Mine is just fine after a while of use, both in and out of a protective case, side note mine also doesn't have the "cottage" cheese looking blemishes yours seems to have in the pictures.
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I think that is a reflection of the popcorn finish from the roof in my bedroom

imapfsr said:
I think that is a reflection of the popcorn finish from the roof in my bedroom
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Could you not sell your house buy another and take fresh picture to rule that out

I'm on it! ?

Lol is possible . I also hope you didn't get a refurbished​ one.

jazz452 said:
Suppose my point was because of shortage of the ceramic maybe they sent some out with different materials.
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It's not the point of this discussion but I also have tiny scratches beside the lenses​ and fingerprint...
It's not unscratchable...

Nothing is unscratchable :_)