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Funny thing here when I see some phones sell for $200 and then 2 more people come and put it up for $400 or $600. What I don't get is why can't you guys follow the regular market? You won't get the best price for selling stuff here because almost everyone knows the device and how much it's worth. Ebay/Craigslist are usually the ones that sell for higher because you have a bigger audience. In a dev forum, I think that people would be looking for the best price. I bought a touch hd for $300 from the marketplace. That was a great value. Somepeople bought it for $500. I mean great, but seriously. Having things like putting up a fuze for $400 even if it's BNIB and Xperia for over $500? You may not agree and say it's my personal opinion on pricing and blah blah but I would suggest you take a look at how much devices sold for here and on eBay and then post your asking price. I saw ridiculous things such as someone asking the same amount as a brand new one from retail. It's ridiculous. I admit I'm trying to sell a device here, but not saying like $300. I am selling one with a broken screen, and all I did was look at the price for what they were regularly selling it for, find a medium, take that price, subtract money for screen. I thought that was reasonable, but I guess others don't. I don't care about getting the best sell out there. I just want to sell it to someone who knows what they're doing unlike people who buy the iPhone to show off, etc.
I agree wholeheartedly. I was actually selling a phone recently and found a buyer on Craigslist. I researched on ebay/CL first.
If never ceases to amaze me that someone thinks they can get more money for the previous gen's unlocked price than someone would pay for the current gen phone without contract. Capitalism is great and all but it's pretty easy nowadays to get right to the real market value. If you get tons of responses at one price it probably could have gone a little higher and that's how you would know.
While I can both agree and disagree, I must point out that it is at the sellers discretion what he/she may sell a device at. Likewise, it is at the buyers discretion what he/she will pay for a device. Yes, I've gotten some great deals on here. Yes, I've essentially called someone a moron here for trying to sell a device for much more than it's worth. Yes, I've been responded to on both situations. However, A devices' value will vary from one person to the next. It's all in the eyes of the techie that wants it.
With that said, I do agree that asking full retail or more for a device, regardless of its' condition, is a bit..well.. stupid. However, if someone wants the device bad enough, they'll pay the price. Case-in-point, Expansys has the Touch Pro 2 (http://www.expansys.com/d.aspx?i=179097) for 499 Sterling ($826.99 USD, for those of us who spend in USD instead of British Pounds). While I can only say "WTF ARE YOU ON", there's no doubt in my mind that Expansys is selling these devices on a regular basis. The value is all in the eyes of the buyer. Is it worth it for me to spend $830.00 on a phone? No. Is it worth it to someone else? Probably. I can't fault Expansys for trying to make some money, but I can't say that I'd be one of the suckers buying from them either.
It's all a game of perception. Regardless of market value, you'll still see some things selling for extreme prices. At the same time, you'll still see some users just about giving a device away. Final case: I got my HTC Athena (8gb MicroDrive, Window Mount, Car Charger, House Charger, Sync Cable, VGA Cable, and HTC USB Splitter (for sync + wired headset) for 200 + 15 shipping. Ebay says it sells for between 350 and 1200. The seller was interested in selling, I was interested in buying.
That's my $.02, it'll cost you $9,999.99. I take Cash, Money Order, and PayPal (verified only).
-John
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You may not agree and say it's my personal opinion on pricing and blah blah but I would suggest you take a look at how much devices sold for here and on eBay and then post your asking price.
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your points of view are valid and you are allowed to have your opinions,
opening a thread to discuss it is a good way to handle it
but to regurgitate it in every post in which you disagree about the asking price is a bit rude
(if you don't agree with the price don't bid,
make a counter offer but don't laugh at or insult the sellers, which your bargaining technique seems to be)
I never sold anything online, so
I tried to sell here 1st (I'll assume others do it for the same reason)
because eBay is a hassle (and the fees)
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it's always nice to pass it on to someone who knows how to get the most from a device
turns out eBay was less hassle then here
my conclusion is that eBay is better for newer Devices in great condition
and forums might be better for less than good condition or older devices / parts
eBay/Craigslist nets a better price because the buyer gets what they want when they want it
scouring the forum(s) for a deal takes longer and more effort
to each buyer and seller his/her own, that’s capitalism
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It's a good idea to mention it in every post I see unfit. Just reminds them that they won't be able to sell it that high and it'll be a waste of time. I'm saving them that time
I do agree with Kraize.
It is definitely an interest from the buyer and seller. Unusual price is not really helping anyone and just waste of time. Besides seller has to keep in mind that it is a forum, not like....eBay...
Its a marketplace my friend. Who we are to determine what people should ask for their phone. Your points are valid & rather it resembles to my wishful thinking as well, but you know its about market, how can we control it when US govt itself couldn't. Let them have the best price for their device if they feel then can get one here. But yes one should not feel bad about low balls for sure.(Who-M3 must be in agreement with me in this case) LOL
Hey guys, I have an HTC Fuze. It's for sale, $699.99.
That includes shipping to anywhere in the world (that I can ship stuff to.)
It's in great shape. The battery cover is worn a bit, but hey, I'll buy you a new one and have it sent to your door. Included!
Drop me a PM if interested.
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It's a good idea to mention it in every post I see unfit. Just reminds them that they won't be able to sell it that high and it'll be a waste of time. I'm saving them that time
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judging from your past posts and choice of phrases
seems like a pompous and abrasive attitude, you obviously enjoy it,
there is just a more civil way to voice your aversion to the price
just because we can and are "free" to do something, doesn't mean we should.
There is a perfect match always.
What I mean is that if someone decides to sell his device in $700 and someone else decide to buy it that´s ok!
Even if we know that this is not the real price.
It is different to try to scam people than the value you put your device, that is so personal.
My Univeral for me has a value of much more than it´s real price and if someone thinks like me sure if he decides to sell it will be in a superior price
There is the real value and the sentimental value...
So we just have to help to improve security for scammers, but for regular trustable members, let them sell their devices to the price they think it´s ok!
Just my opinion.
Respectfully,
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judging from your past posts and choice of phrases
seems like a pompous and abrasive attitude, you obviously enjoy it,
there is just a more civil way to voice your aversion to the price
just because we can and are "free" to do something, doesn't mean we should.
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I understand you wanting to make your point, and I understand Kraize wanting to make his. However, can you do me a favor when making yours, and STOP hitting the return key. Let the word-wrap do it's job. My head is hurting trying to figure out why you keep doing that. Let the software do its' job. It's wasting my bandwidth! :-(
That said, his attitude and posts may appear to be pompous and abrasive to you, but to others his posts can be interpreted as guidance. At the same time, your post above can be seen as pompous and abrasive. However, just as you've indicated towards Kraize, it may be the way you prefer to handle this situation.
Again, with everything we have said in mind, these forums are Moderated by a team of people who do their best to stay unobtrusive. They may see some of the posts above and say "You know, that's just crossing the line". Hell, I've reported posts with less attacks for that type of stuff. At the same time, they may agree with you, or with Kraize, but that doesn't mean they'll let everything stay. That's my $.02, and I want my $9,999.99 now..
-John
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judging from your past posts and choice of phrases
seems like a pompous and abrasive attitude, you obviously enjoy it,
there is just a more civil way to voice your aversion to the price
just because we can and are "free" to do something, doesn't mean we should.
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O! Hai! Guys! We have a genuine person here! He can tell what type of attitude I have just by looking at how I post! I mean there are no emotions or expressions shown through text, but this guy obviously gets it! Psh. Know what you're talking about before you say it please. Doesn't matter how I convey my opinion (as long as it's within civil limits), I can get my point across. Obviously I am a lot more immature. That comes with my age. I can't help being agressive when you people post stuff for such high prices, but it doesn't matter. It really does save people time from having to bump their thread, re-think their pricing, posting, rejecting, etc.
Market v. Extrinsic v. Intrinsic Value
If I may . . . I think you are all tugging and pulling at the distinctions between market value, extrinsic value, and intrinsic value. In reverse, intrinsic value of something is said to be the value that the thing has “in itself" and for its own sake. In a sense it has value because it "is". By this reckoning: Even the trade name "HTC" has value in that the goodwill that it generates makes people buy its products over say, a Palm product. I would argue this is precisely why some of you inherently react differently to characterizing a device as an "Athena" v. "Advantage" v. "Dopod" v. a "Thoth"; this-without regard to the sub-model designation, or the network carrier, if so assigned. Although it's insufficient to put it that extrinsic value is the opposite of intrisic value, for brevity, it'll do here. So, as one of our members so astutely put it "if X is in a world of letters out there, and among them, another letter, K is willing to buy X's item for $700, then the price for the item is $700". This is NOT the "Market Price" however. It is the price for THAT item; and it is reasonable between the parties. As to Market Price, that is what you get when you take the amalgamation of all like-kind transactions, based on arms-legnth negotiations, bargained-for-in-exchange resulting in an overall price scheme. (P.S. Mucking around with any of these does not affect the presence of fraud or the lack thereof. Nor does it relate much to the question of quality assurance. X can still swindle K; X can still sell K a brick. This above analysis remains unchanged).
I DO follow a rule of "tennor". A rule most of you are writing about without actually addressing it. That is: If you don't get along with the person, or find their posts insulting (even quietly insulting to your sensibility); if you have no meeting of the minds at the outset of an introductory email or PM or post, is it rational to expect you would have such a meeting of the minds when a transaction goes south? The only thing that surprises me about this . . . is that people keep getting surprised when such things occur.
Funny?
|Jason8| said:
Hey guys, I have an HTC Fuze. It's for sale, $699.99.
That includes shipping to anywhere in the world (that I can ship stuff to.)
It's in great shape. The battery cover is worn a bit, but hey, I'll buy you a new one and have it sent to your door. Included!
Drop me a PM if interested.
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Is it me or is it pretty funny that someone tried to jack this thread to sell their Fuze for $700?
I think mods are on holiday. This thread should have not been here. It affects independent functioning of market place.
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I understand you wanting to make your point, and I understand Kraize wanting to make his. However, can you do me a favor when making yours, and STOP hitting the return key. Let the word-wrap do it's job. My head is hurting trying to figure out why you keep doing that. Let the software do its' job. It's wasting my bandwidth! :-(
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Sorry, I am using a small screen device, it's just easier to write that way, I'll try and curb that habit. I had no idea carriage return burns bandwidth, how so?
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O! Hai! Guys! We have a genuine person here! He can tell what type of attitude I have just by looking at how I post! I mean there are no emotions or expressions shown through text, but this guy obviously gets it! Psh. Know what you're talking about before you say it please. Doesn't matter how I convey my opinion (as long as it's within civil limits), I can get my point across.
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I never claimed to know your intentions, I simply say that your comments are harsh, you can say all the same things less derisively and more politely.
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I made no assumptions about you as a person, and you yourself admit to having an aggressive approach to discourse, something I disagree as necessary. Just doesn't seem to go with "respectful" philosophy implied in forum rules.
i thought i might see a real info on pricing but here
ITS THE WWF SHOW.
what if you people had been like a buyer and a seller in a market arguing on the price of something in real life, man i am sure u people wouldve smacked eachother hard. lol
thats y i say
xda rules!
Hey!
What ever are our points of view, let´s keep this thread in peace and respect, so Mods can leave it open for continuing with this hot debate.
Just a suggestion
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i thought i might see a real info on pricing but here
ITS THE WWF SHOW.
what if you people had been like a buyer and a seller in a market arguing on the price of something in real life, man i am sure u people wouldve smacked eachother hard. lol
thats y i say
xda rules!
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LOL. You know, if this was in real life, I'm sure that if someone told me an outrageous price, I would've smacked them, shook my head, and laughed.
Thread moved to off-topic.
The marketplace is for buying / selling / trading only.
Thanks
Dave
lol i do.
yesterday i needed some quick cash because of a move im doing and i was short on my energy bill...
so i put my sprint galaxy nexus on craigslist for sale/ trade.
last week i got it new in the box for 150. a deal to me for sure.
i got a bunch of crap offers but eventually someone offered me their epic 4g touch and 100 cash for the gnex.
so we met up at a sprint store and called customer care because the store cannot do active phone swaps and we both went home happy.
right away i listed the phone on craigslist, within a few hours i got a few offers, mostly junk but one was or seemed to be worth while.
a white iphone 4 8gb, with case and charger, even trade. so telling her i was interested i posted the white iphone up on craigslist also forsale/trade before i even had it. i got many offers, a few low balls (lol even 50 dollars with the excuse that its outdated and old and the new iphone will be out this month lol), then a 225.00 offer, a 200 dollar offer, you get the idea. i entertained them all, but one of the guys ended up changing their minds and made a even better offer, he retracted his 200 dollar offer and said he would trade me his mint condition epic 4g touch with case,charger and 100 cash... BINGO lol, i quickly accepted.
how could i loose, i met up with the girl at 615pm to do the swap for my epic touch for her iphone 4, after thats done i wait for the guy who comes at 7 and we call sprint all over again and do another swap, it all works out and i leave with another 100 in cash and the same phone i came in with lol.
so i was tainted with a apple phone for about 10 mins... Lol it wasn't that bad but the screen was hard to adjust to.
anyone else flip on craigs? needless to say i have my epic back up on CL for hopefully another trade or sale.
i already got my epic touch running jellybean and honestly its not too much different then my gnex minus the lte which i dont have yet and the HD screen which is noticeable to me.
Seems kind of immoral to me. It's like abusing Wal-Mart return policies to make a buck. You're using Craigslist outside of its intended use for profit. But you do what you gotta do to make the bills work: I personally would not make a habit of "flipping phones".
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Seems kind of immoral to me. It's like abusing Wal-Mart return policies to make a buck. You're using Craigslist outside of its intended use for profit. But you do what you gotta do to make the bills work: I personally would not make a habit of "flipping phones".
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lol immoral?
im using a public website that is made for buying,selling, and bartering.
thats exactly what im doing.
im not "abusing" or misusing anything, and its not a mega corporation where im scamming their return policies.
its a buy sell and trade website..
thats exactly what im doing.
in fact there are reality tv shows based on this same thing, that where they use outlets like craigslist, people do it with everything under the sun, from tvs, to cars.
im not ripping anyone off or telling people things that they arent.
im giving people what they want and im getting what i want.
exactly what the website is for.
When you start to talk about morality, you instantly are entering into a subjective paradigm in the philosophical/metaphysical sense. However, I do agree you're in a way taking advantage of peoples lack of knowledge on the tech you're trading. Is this immoral? Depends on how you define it. If both parties are happy and walk away from the deal feeling like their was an equitable exchange, then I personally don't think so. Ignorance is bliss I guess. Now, if you intentionally mislead the other party into believing they're getting a much better offer than they realize for your profit then yes this is, to me, immoral, but I don't think your doing this. It is the reason I believe the majority of advertisements and those working in the field are in some sense immoral, but this is getting off topic.
In short, I haven't done it and for me the amount of time and effort isn't worth the small return.
I didn't mean to imply you're ripping anyone off. I just find it interesting how one can make a buck nowadays. I stress the kind of part because I read about the iphone part and it boggles my mind how people are willing to pay so much for so little. I get that if the needs are met then it's fine. However it boggles me further how people can conclude the iphone 4 and the galaxy s2 phone is of equal value. Galaxy s2 clearly has better specs plus MIUI more than makes up for the iOS experience. I get that not everyone is gifted with our passion which is why I use the term "immoral" for someone who knowingly barters with this information in hand. But I do agree with l3lessed that if the girl is happy then that's what matters. Then I conclude that while the ends justifies the means this time, I wouldn't make a habit of this kind of business.
That said: I'm sure you can many people in the MP that has "flipped phone".
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I didn't mean to imply you're ripping anyone off. I just find it interesting how one can make a buck nowadays. I stress the kind of part because I read about the iphone part and it boggles my mind how people are willing to pay so much for so little. I get that if the needs are met then it's fine. However it boggles me further how people can conclude the iphone 4 and the galaxy s2 phone is of equal value. Galaxy s2 clearly has better specs plus MIUI more than makes up for the iOS experience. I get that not everyone is gifted with our passion which is why I use the term "immoral" for someone who knowingly barters with this information in hand. But I do agree with l3lessed that if the girl is happy then that's what matters. Then I conclude that while the ends justifies the means this time, I wouldn't make a habit of this kind of business.
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Ahh I see.
I was just short this month and this way its legal Lol
Everyone was happy. In fact all the deals I did were brought to me, made by the other party.
I agree the iPhone to me isn't worth much but as everyone can see they have a huge faithful following, enough so to dump more premium phones (in our eyes) in order to have one.
Locally regular iPhone 4 non s versions are still selling more than galaxy s2s.
Its mind boggling to me actually.
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I flip phones all the time. If i find a great deal then i will most definitely snatch it up. One thing I never do is low ball. I always offer them a fair price that's low enough for me to make a profit, yet sits well with conscience. Business on Craigslist is easy money if you can negotiate.
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I can't see the immorality in his actions. He's entertaining offers from others and not misrepresenting his goods. If anything, I'm impressed by the fact that youre arranging Craigslist deals in advance and juggling it all. You should get into stocks or futures or something and make real money with your talents.
It's not immoral, nothing wrong with it.
I have done that once or twice, it's how I get "new phones for free" but honestly it takes too much time/effort/driving and to me is not really worth it. I do it like once a year to upgrade my phone but that's about it. It's not a bad way to get a decent device though, just be willing to put up with all the BS that goes along with it.
I actually prefer the MP here for the most part, except for a few items that are overpriced here that I want to buy or underpriced (compared to local prices) that I want to sell.
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I can't see the immorality in his actions. He's entertaining offers from others and not misrepresenting his goods. If anything, I'm impressed by the fact that youre arranging Craigslist deals in advance and juggling it all. You should get into stocks or futures or something and make real money with your talents.
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If I only knew where to begin.
I'm stuck at a dead end job for the last 8 years and live check to check.
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I apologize I thought I was in the off topic section.
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Damn, that's a really good idea. Never though of that. ;p
KayxGee1 said:
I flip phones all the time. If i find a great deal then i will most definitely snatch it up. One thing I never do is low ball. I always offer them a fair price that's low enough for me to make a profit, yet sits well with conscience. Business on Craigslist is easy money if you can negotiate.
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Exactly.
Low ballers make me sick,but that's just a part of Craigslist.
Its not hard to do,but can be time consuming and irritating when you run into tire kickers and people who bs.
Throughout all the years I've used Craigslist for everything under the sun, from TVs,to fish tanks,to cars,refrigerators and probably other things I can't recall. But I've never have had one bad experience, never been robbed or put into any bad situations.
You just have to be smart and smell a bad situation before it happens.
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Exactly.
Low ballers make me sick,but that's just a part of Craigslist.
Its not hard to do,but can be time consuming and irritating when you run into tire kickers and people who bs.
Throughout all the years I've used Craigslist for everything under the sun, from TVs,to fish tanks,to cars,refrigerators and probably other things I can't recall. But I've never have had one bad experience, never been robbed or put into any bad situations.
You just have to be smart and smell a bad situation before it happens.
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I've never been robbed either. Just very nice people looking to buy and sell items.
If they want quick cash and I'm willing to buy, so be it. I take the time to relist the item and sit on it for a few days, a week, hell I've sat on an item for 3 months! It's all about time and effort. Here in NJ, there are really good deals. Business is just business.
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Seems kind of immoral to me. It's like abusing Wal-Mart return policies to make a buck. You're using Craigslist outside of its intended use for profit. But you do what you gotta do to make the bills work: I personally would not make a habit of "flipping phones".
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So you feel the same about people that flip houses, cars, etc? Essentially you hate capitalism? Supply & demand, etc?
I made money on craigslist this pass week. I just sold my GS3 for $400 (which I bought new for $440 on eBAY) and with the money I bought a white EVO LTE in mint condition for $225 which I sold on Ebay for $340 ($300 after fees and ship).
I list it on XDA http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1900703 but the memebers here are to cheap to even recognize a good deal.
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I made money on craigslist this pass week. I just sold my GS3 for $400 (which I bought new for $440 on eBAY) and with the money I bought a white EVO LTE in mint condition for $225 which I sold on Ebay for $340 ($300 after fees and ship).
I list it on XDA http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1900703 but the memebers here are to cheap to even recognize a good deal.
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Very nice.
I made some additional moves on Craigs list recently which I didn't post about.
I traded my gs2 for a white 16gb 4s which in return i traded for a new in the box black evo lte.
Sad to say I'm surprised that the resale value on these phones aren't higher, because the lte is not too much different than the gs3...
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I have for years!
Sent From My Amaze.
I think it depends on your local community. For me craigslist is a massive headache full of flakes and people wanting msrp for 2 year old used tech.
I can't even tell you how many times I've relied to ads and been ignored.
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I was talking to one of my buddies here at work who is also an Android Freak like myself and we were discussing about how Google and LG can sell such a device packing what it does for $299 or $349.
It's seems like it has really beautiful build quality also, while Samsung sells a plastic dual core S3 with half the RAM, lower resolution screen for double the price!
Don't get me wrong, I am both happy and sad that the phone is so damn cheap. Glad because it is so dirt cheap that I can buy it as a backup phone to my Note 2 and just not worry about it falling and breaking or whatever. Replacing just the LCD on my Note 2 would probably pay for the whole Nexus 4!
Sad because since it is so cheap, it almost gives me the impression that it's some kind of gophone, pay as you go device. You know, a disposable phone. Something any 13 year old who mows lawns on the weekends can afford. Also judging by the comments and anticipation in this forum, those are most likely the majority of buyers. 13 year old geeks. =)
To me the device lost something special, exclusivity.
When I first picked up my Note 2, everybody at work was in awe and were ready to go purchase one immediately.
Then I told them how much I paid, $690 off contract and they all had sticker shock. Only one other fella at my work has a Note 2 besides me now, and that's my boss. The device feels special to me.
I know this post seems a bit ridiculous, but that's something that is bugging me a little about the device. What do you guys think? A little something inside kinda wish Google priced this device similar to the Galaxy Nexus. I think it would have been more special to me. Am I crazy?
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Also judging by the comments and anticipation in this forum, those are most likely the majority of buyers. 13 year old geeks.
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Just because people are excited, you're assuming they're 13? Right...
... and imo, the price does not make it any less exclusive.
You could always buy two and strap them back-to-back for that "cachet" feel?
In any case, mainstream smartphones, like all technology, will always be getting less exclusive. If exclusivity is of import, the Tag Heuer Android phones look quite sharp, but probably will be behind on the OS curve...
Setting aside the ridiculousness of caring about exclusivity, your work colleagues likely got sticker-shock because they don't know much about the cellphone market. I'm sure they don't think of the iPhone as an "exclusive" device, and yet it's in the same range as the Note 2 off-contract. The Nexus 4 may not be a monetarily exclusive device, but it's still going to have limited sales due to the number of people who are informed enough about their options to pick one up.
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You could always buy two and strap them back-to-back for that "cachet" feel?
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Front-to-front. The back's the best-looking part, after all; and the part that displays the ever-important logos.
You should realize that there are people outside of XDA who don't even know that this phone exists.
You say less exclusive... I say more support.
How many people actually know what a Nexus phone even is? I don't know anyone who does. They don't really advertise and come to think of it, I've never seen anyone with a Nexus (any of them).
No, it makes it lighter on my wallet. I don't care how many other people have it as long as I do.
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I don't agree.
[13 yr old comment]If you want to feel special, maybe get it from the TMo store or import it. [/13 yr old comment]
The price is being subsidized. Just making it easier to reach more people. This way el goog can make even more money with mobile ad revenue.
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You should realize that there are people outside of XDA who don't even know that this phone exists.
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Which is why we shouldn't worry about the phone being out of stock. Hopefully the stock outweighs the demand.
If having exclusivity means paying $1000 dollars, I'll take a less exclusive phone any day for $350
You think $500+ phones are exclusive? You'll find more Note 2s and iPhones than N4.
That said, the more the N4s out there, the more accessories there will be for it. And thats always a good thing.
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How many people actually know what a Nexus phone even is? I don't know anyone who does. They don't really advertise and come to think of it, I've never seen anyone with a Nexus (any of them).
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This. I only know one girl outside of XDA that even knows what the Nexus line is.
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Which is why we shouldn't worry about the phone being out of stock. Hopefully the stock outweighs the demand.
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Perhaps. Google may keep production low for the first wave after watching previous launches. There seems to be a lot of uncertainty about the popularity of this phone due to the lack of LTE, expandable storage, and maybe inadequate battery. Those of us looking to buy the phone can only hope that it is either not that popular or that Google didn't lower production.
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When I first picked up my Note 2, everybody at work was in awe and were ready to go purchase one immediately.
Then I told them how much I paid, $690 off contract and they all had sticker shock. Only one other fella at my work has a Note 2 besides me now, and that's my boss. The device feels special to me.
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You know what I got from reading this? That you need to feel special/better than your friends. That's no reason to jack up the price of a phone.
Tell you what, I'll buy mine, then sell it to you for $859.99, that'll really blow your colleagues out of the water! Or how about avoiding the faux pas of bragging about how much money you spent on a cell phone. Hell, if anything I'll be showing my friends this phone and telling them how cheap it was. Look at this thing, it's awesome, and cost half the price of your NoteII!
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Sad because since it is so cheap, it almost gives me the impression that it's some kind of gophone, pay as you go device. You know, a disposable phone. Something any 13 year old who mows lawns on the weekends can afford. Also judging by the comments and anticipation in this forum, those are most likely the majority of buyers. 13 year old geeks. =)
To me the device lost something special, exclusivity.
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I don't see anything wrong of a 13 year old can save up and purchase this device, it allows a younger audience to own a modern smartphone without the hefty price tag. Exclusivity to one type of group (in this case being age) isn't somthing company's want for their products, and if they lure in the younger users with the low price tag, that means more marketshare for them. The nexus 4 isn't a fashion item like more popular phones such as the iPhone, or even the galaxy s3, it's made for contract free or value plan customers who want a fast phone for a reasonable price.
Lol I think this thread should be closed. =/
Who cares? Does it matter if the phone is not as "exclusive" as you would like?
It's an amazing phone at a great price, it will further push the Android ecosystem.
If you want exclusive, stick with foreign imports of obscure devices.
Foxy Roxy said:
Lol I think this thread should be closed. =/
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I clicked the triangle thingy a while ago
bfspider said:
I clicked the triangle thingy a while ago
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XD I just did few minutes ago.
Where do companies like iBlason and Poetic get there products? I know they're from China, but what about websites? All these companies seem to be selling the same thing on Amazon. What website do they come from? Any ideas on starting a company similar to Poetic and iBlason?
You want to start a case company?
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They buy them from factories.
Maybe take a look at Alibaba.com
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Josepho1997 said:
You want to start a case company?
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Not really, I'm just curious bout how they do it.
veeman said:
They buy them from factories.
Maybe take a look at Alibaba.com
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Is this the main place or any others. It just amazes me how fast some of these companies get this stuff up on Amazon.
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Not really, I'm just curious bout how they do it.
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Oh. Cause the title said "How to start a case company". I was confused.
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Just like any business you need capital to build inventory before you can do anything else, and just because you have inventory doesn't mean you can move it. If you don't understand the business world you really should do some research before you lose a lot of money.
063_XOBX said:
Just like any business you need capital to build inventory before you can do anything else, and just because you have inventory doesn't mean you can move it. If you don't understand the business world you really should do some research before you lose a lot of money.
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The idea is to ship through Amazon. I'm just curious, that's all. It's just one of those things I would like to do if I had the time and money.
Nxxx said:
The idea is to ship through Amazon. I'm just curious, that's all. It's just one of those things I would like to do if I had the time and money.
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Yes, but what would you ship? You need an inventory before you could even begin to consider selling anything. A customer isn't going to wait for you to order their purchase then for it to ship to them.
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Yes, but what would you ship? You need an inventory before you could even begin to consider selling anything. A customer isn't going to wait for you to order their purchase then for it to ship to them.
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I AM NOT SERIOUS ABOUT THIS YET. DID YOU SEE MY LAST SEVERAL POSTS??? I'm just asking for some advice. I've seen your other posts. All you do is go trolling around this forum trying to piss people off. I can go on if you want, but the truth is that I'm just asking do for advice,
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I AM NOT SERIOUS ABOUT THIS YET. DID YOU SEE MY LAST SEVERAL POSTS??? I'm just asking for some advice. I've seen your other posts. All you do is go trolling around this forum trying to piss people off. I can go on if you want, but the truth is that I'm just asking do for advice,
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Oh no. You shouldn't have said that...
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Oh no. You shouldn't have said that...
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You're right I probably shouldn't have.
Nxxx said:
I AM NOT SERIOUS ABOUT THIS YET. DID YOU SEE MY LAST SEVERAL POSTS??? I'm just asking for some advice. I've seen your other posts. All you do is go trolling around this forum trying to piss people off. I can go on if you want, but the truth is that I'm just asking do for advice,
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That was advice. If you're considering entering into the sales world you need realistic expectations. Having to build up inventory is part of those. Whatever, good luck with your plans, I was simply trying to offer some of my experience since that was something I have some expertise in.
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That was advice. If you're considering entering into the sales world you need realistic expectations. Having to build up inventory is part of those. Whatever, good luck with your plans, I was simply trying to offer some of my experience since that was something I have some expertise in.
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Really? What's your expertise? I'm not trying to be a *** here even though it may read like it.
Nxxx said:
Really? What's your expertise? I'm not trying to be a *** here even though it may read like it.
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It REALLY sounds like that.
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Nxxx said:
Really? What's your expertise? I'm not trying to be a *** here even though it may read like it.
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A little under a year maintaining inventory for the US warehouse for a Brazilian shipping company called So' Danca that specializes in dance wear but sells almost everything. Not having enough inventory has been the #1 problem "we've" run into. Customer's are typically less than thrilled to hear they have to wait to receive their order since it's out of stock.
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A little under a year maintaining inventory for the US warehouse for a Brazilian shipping company called So' Danca that specializes in dance wear but sells almost everything. Not having enough inventory has been the #1 problem "we've" run into. Customer's are typically less than thrilled to hear they have to wait to receive their order since it's out of stock.
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Yeah, waiting for products to ship sucks. Thanks for the advice though. How much money do you think it would take to jump start something like this?
Edit: going to sleep now and will reply to everything in the morning.
Nxxx said:
Yeah, waiting for products to ship sucks. Thanks for the advice though. How much money do you think it would take to jump start something like this?
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Honestly? A lot. There are hundreds of different Android devices you'd have to accommodate for. The only way to even realistically start would be with iPhone cases. Wide spread popularity and only one model to have to maintain inventory for.
If you insisted on specializing in Android phones you'd need to pick a few popular models (like the S3) and start small with them.
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Honestly? A lot. There are hundreds of different Android devices you'd have to accomodate for. The only way to even realistically start would be with iPhone cases. Wide spread popularity and only one model to have to maintain inventory for.
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What do you think the are minimum would be? 10k?
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What do you think the are minimum would be? 10k?
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Maybe. Depends on a few factors. How much you're ordering determines both the unit price and the profit on each item. Obviously wholesale pricing is cheaper but that requires larger starting capital, which isn't always realistic. There's no reason to order 10,000 units if you're not even sure you can move 500 and be stuck with 9,500 cases that diminish in value when a new model comes out. You should expect to wind up losing a significant amount of money until you get some real data on what sells and how much of it sells around the time of year you're ordering it (hint, Christmas has a huge effect on sales).
I purchased a T-Mobile Note 8 SM-N950 Android version 7.0 & want to use it for Verizon. I've been trying to flash the verizon firmware onto this note 8 but when i try to go into download mode this happens:
https://streamable.com/1h7xs
Don't know what to do from here... I've watched videos on going into download mode in the note 8 and no one seems to be having this issue.
Oh man.. Note8 is 7.1.1 btw.
And judging by that huge bottom bezel and MTK testing menu...
You bought a fake Note8..
I'm so sorry..
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I purchased a T-Mobile Note 8 SM-N950 Android version 7.0 & want to use it for Verizon. I've been trying to flash the verizon firmware onto this note 8 but when i try to go into download mode this happens:
https://streamable.com/1h7xs
Don't know what to do from here... I've watched videos on going into download mode in the note 8 and no one seems to be having this issue.
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It's fake man
Try get your money back and contact seller.
The first clue should have been the bezels, the second clue note 8 come with 7.1.1, sorry for you
How much did you pay for it ? Craig's list?
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How much did you pay for it ? Craig's list?
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Yep, $300. I had an iPhone for a while now and decided to switch back to android. I should've done my research. It says "SM-N930P" on the back of the phone.
DejoN10 said:
Yep, $300. I had an iPhone for a while now and decided to switch back to android. I should've done my research. It says "SM-N930P" on the back of the phone.
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Currently putting a kidney up for sale to buy the iPhone X lol...
DejoN10 said:
Currently putting a kidney up for sale to buy the iPhone X lol...
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How much for the kidney? You can use "swappa" to sell it .
You bought a fake note7.
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Yep, $300. I had an iPhone for a while now and decided to switch back to android. I should've done my research. It says "SM-N930P" on the back of the phone.
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A Note 8 selling for $300 didn't ring red flags to you? You won't find anywhere that cheap right now a legit one. If it sounds to good to be true, it probably is.
Craigslist? Oh your screwed on getting money back. There's fishy people on there. Stay away from craigslist.
FB, Offerup, Letgo, ebay, etc way better. Some knock offs can go for a decent amount. See how much your fake one going for. Post online and let people know its fake. Might be able to get a decent amount of your money back. Seller should of told you regardless.
I’ve accepted my loss lol, I was too naive. I figured if anything someone was going to straight up rob me, not sell me a fake phone. I saw a few of them selling between 300-400, they were all probably scams. It sells for like $90. This knockoff can be used on T-Mobiles network? Might just donate it to someone.
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I’ve accepted my loss lol, I was too naive. I figured if anything someone was going to straight up rob me, not sell me a fake phone. I saw a few of them selling between 300-400, they were all probably scams. It sells for like $90. This knockoff can be used on T-Mobiles network? Might just donate it to someone.
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Oh well, onwards and upwards. Just put it behind you as I'm sure your already sure you already have. Good luck.
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I’ve accepted my loss lol, I was too naive. I figured if anything someone was going to straight up rob me, not sell me a fake phone. I saw a few of them selling between 300-400, they were all probably scams. It sells for like $90. This knockoff can be used on T-Mobiles network? Might just donate it to someone.
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Don't trust people ever online that you don't know. There's always wolfs out there. Don't be a sheep. Be smart. I literally put in my mind everybody is a thief. Although I would love for someone to try to rob me with force. I will help them to hell with my glock 45.
Once again stay far away from craigslist. Yeah donate it to women batter shelter. Claim on your taxes.
I can't tell you how many times I've heard bad things about craigslist. Fake money, robbery, broke products, fake stuff, scams, etc. That site full of scum bags. Delete app and never use again use.
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Don't trust people ever online that you don't know. There's always wolfs out there. Don't be a sheep. Be smart. I literally put in my mind everybody is a thief. Although I would love for someone to try to rob me with force. I will help them to hell with my glock 45.
Once again stay far away from craigslist. Yeah donate it to women batter shelter. Claim on your taxes.
I can't tell you how many times I've heard bad things about craigslist. Fake money, robbery, broke products, fake stuff, scams, etc. That site full of scum bags. Delete app and never use again use.
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I got G22 RTF 2 , but wouldn't use it over a phone
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Limeybastard said:
I got G22 RTF 2 , but wouldn't use it over a phone
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Nice 40. Cal. You can't go wrong with glock. Such a great gun. Definitely most reliable semi pistol hands down.