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WM 2005 versus WM 2003

hello everyone!
since two weeks, i am theproud owner of my first pocket pc, a HTC Blue Angel!
i am now running wm2003, but after reading all those posts about upgrading, i am starting to think about doing so myself! but why should i do this?
what are the big advatages of wm2005 compared to wm2003?
are there disadvantages as well? (regarding stability and bugs?)
i would be really glad if yome of the more experienced ba users here could write down their pros & cons for running WM5/WM3 on the BA!
btw: i read thru xplode's upgrading guide (Guide.pdf) and in the end ("side notes") it says, that i could totally screw my ba when i exceed free sectors of the rom while cooking.... what excactly does this mean? and how can i avoid exceeding free sectors?
I am really looking forward to read your opinions about the two os...
THX IN ADVANCE!
krztf

I would definately go for wm5
main reason is the different memory handling
(no more lose of data after battery runs down)
Just download one of the ready made roms versions.
(as I understand, you are not ready to cook your own rom)
and be sure to read the wiki first
(and this post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=243732 )
happy flashing
Wout

I could tell you this, my biggest reason to flash my BA to Wm05 because it has a better UI. N my 2nd biggest reason is because a lot of new programs written for wm05
Anyway if you afraid to brick your BA, I suggest you read carefully the wiki n don't use kitchen Rom, just use another rom that already cook by someone else. You could use Rom made by baniaczek or xplode.
I hoped it helps.

Well how should i say... i dont believe anyone here is still using 2003. Would this be enough for you? Try it, if you dont like it, downgrade back to 2003.

WM5 on Blue Angel is nice. But xplode rom and baniaczek rom are not really stable at the moment.
Tried both rom both got different problems... so I recommend you to wait for final release WM5 rom for BA thats free of bug.(Would it happen?)
Else if you wanted to try, you can try upgrading it... its really nice

Main reason is 60mb free ram..
and no more memory lost after battery going down

aha
thanks for all those answers!!!
but to be honest, i am still not sure if i should upgrade or not....
all those postings (here an din other threads) regarding pda overall speed, bluetooth and wifi problems, etc. make me kinda nervous! and i think, i am still anxious about frying my blue angel,... noobish but what can i do!
regarding the advantage of more free ram and no memory loss after battery's empty: is this really true?! always thought, i would need certain hardware as well, to benefit from this features...?
hope this discussion keeps goin'...
regards,krz

root said:
Well how should i say... i dont believe anyone here is still using 2003. Would this be enough for you? Try it, if you dont like it, downgrade back to 2003.
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I'm using 2003se (rollback wm5->2003), because found some strange problems with baniachek's wm5 bluetooth profiles. ...

all the gory details ....
hi dasboot!
could you please describe those "strange problems"?
btw: does anyone know, if connecting to wlan routers works better with wm2005? as u can read in my other thread HERE, i have serious issues to solve here...
keep on posting!
krz

im rollbacked too.WM5 is nice looking..but for BA useless.
i found that WM3 work much better on it-and more important-the battery time:
wm5=max 8 hours,with mp3 6h
wm3=up to 16h with mp3.normal use 24/36h (older BA )
i use wlan only sometimes on hotspots-and only for e-mails.not a important criteria for me.
but,damn it..i would try out WM6 on it.suddenly it is unable to convert it to BA.

WM5 is not a software, it is one huge BAG!

wm5 is really good and I won't come back to wm2003. I have the R2 by baniaczeck and it works to me like a charm! I advice you to upgrade to wm5

Kaiser or P3600i

Hello. I've been following the Kaiser thread ever since I heard about it, and with the same anxiety of the owners of that phone i've been waiting for the miraculous drivers to appear. I'm looking forward to upgrade from a HP hx2750, to a new pda with phone. After a few research I concluded that the pdas the fit my need are the HTC p3600 (trinity), p3600i (500Mhz processor version) , the Tytn 2 Kaiser or the coming Eten X800 and the I-mate 8502 which in my option is the best off all those but I doubt it will be available sooner than April 2008.
From all those the p3600i and tytn 2 seemed more appealing. So I have to pick between the p3600i (since i'd rather have more ROM and processor speed though paying a bit more) or the kaiser, tytn 2.
I like to play videos, take pictures and once in awhile play a few games, but also have a decent scrolling and browsing speed since I'm used to the hx2750 wm6, BUT, i'm not sure if the drivers will ever be made or work properly... in other words I wouldn't like to have a crippled phone as expensive as that kaiser(not getting contract!). The p3600i looks great is not so buggy but doesn't have keyboard and this is something I always missed in the hx2750. Neither I know if the keyboard in the end is really that useful cause it looks very hard to type in...
I heard better things from htc in past times but now they don't seem to care for consumers opinion, so that's another question. I dunno if it's better to get the kaiser and wait for drivers or get something more solid. I heard new windows 6.1 will come out soon, so might be a help or push to fix problem. I prefer more the kaiser but the p3600i is impressive too...
So i'm here asking for whoever wants to share its opinion... What's the best buy p3600i or tytn2 (kaiser, tilt)?
Is htc giving up the kaiser for real?(no more drivers, no more production of that model? And does the p3600i as any issue too?
P.S:I really refer to the p3600i not the updated p3600(trinity)
Thanks in advance...

there's great difference:
p3600i is 1 year older.
But if You are happy with USB1.1, 64MB RAM, no qwerty-keyboard (npt really nessecary), miniSD (not microSD), 1,9 MP camera. Then You will get 1500mAh Li-ion battery instead of 1350 and InfraRed port and a 500Mhz processor instead of a 400Mhz.
Compare:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=820&id2=733

I don't really see the difference between the microsd and minisd (size?), the difference between the 128MB and 64MB ram dunno if it's highly noticeable but seems that the p3600i might compensate it with proper video playback and proper rendering... 500Hz or 400Hz processor ... still doesn't tell me too much cause in the end the difference in RAM can minimize it (i think, I didn't or cannot benchmark both devices)? Neither regarding the 2MP or the 3MP camera.
The longer battery life, and less buggy performance are the good side of the p3600i ... but still seems a hard decision to make and the keyboard looks handy to write mails or editing text... Would be cool if someone who had both devices gave an opinion about it

At first i have p3600i then i buy the tytnII but when i use the tytn II with the room (schap's,orginal,dutty's) i change the tytnII with P3600i
1- the camera in tytnii is not realy work fine means the picture is no cleare
2- i see the tuch screen don't have good recognize and sensity
3- i find the best speed in the p3600i
4- battery life in p3600i is very gooood
for the memory i use the micro HC4GB with the convertor to mini and it is work gooood
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sorry for my bad english

Got a TYTN 2
hewa said:
At first i have p3600i then i buy the tytnII but when i use the tytn II with the room (schap's,orginal,dutty's) i change the tytnII with P3600i
1- the camera in tytnii is not realy work fine means the picture is no cleare
2- i see the tuch screen don't have good recognize and sensity
3- i find the best speed in the p3600i
4- battery life in p3600i is very gooood
for the memory i use the micro HC4GB with the convertor to mini and it is work gooood
....
sorry for my bad english
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Well in the end I got the tytn mainly cause of the keyboard! I sure miss the 624MHz processor of the HP 2750 and the 3'5 inch screen smoothness but now I got stick with this one. I found weird that such a high end product performs so bad but the only thing I would ask for would be a smoth scroll in general...

Do flash your TyTn II with a new rom.
Believe me, it really gets better.
I've got the dutty rom, and i've got no compaints about scroll speeds .
I'm very happy with my device now!

Problem with custom ROMS
coolhead said:
Do flash your TyTn II with a new rom.
Believe me, it really gets better.
I've got the dutty rom, and i've got no compaints about scroll speeds .
I'm very happy with my device now!
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Well I would... but the thing I don't like about those cooked roms is that they bring extra stuff I would discard. There's no need for extra software since that I have. I would like to find a rom that improves performance and updates HTC software without adding other stuff... For example the 4PDA rom I have on the hx2750 just has windows mobile without extras which is ver good since I can decide what to install and save space like this... after in a pda every mega counts!

bandit2xx said:
Well I would... but the thing I don't like about those cooked roms is that they bring extra stuff I would discard. There's no need for extra software since that I have. I would like to find a rom that improves performance and updates HTC software without adding other stuff... For example the 4PDA rom I have on the hx2750 just has windows mobile without extras which is ver good since I can decide what to install and save space like this... after in a pda every mega counts!
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u may check the new tnt rom, I think there is a lite version with just a few apps.

Does the TD2 still require SD TuneUP?

Hi Guys!
Personally I'm not interrested in the Diamond2, as I'm aiming for the Pro2 Anyway, since those two babies are so much alike, I guess I can ask this question already: will they still require the SD TuneUP drivers for fast data reading from memory cards, for example for fluid video playback?
BTW, I sooo hope that HTC will fix all those tons of bugs everyone finds in TD2 before TP2 released
Thx in advance for the answer!

Can anyone truthfully answer as I thought that whether playing videos from an SD card or the phones memory should be exactly the same?

jgal said:
Hi Guys!
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BTW, I sooo hope that HTC will fix all those tons of bugs everyone finds in TD2 before TP2 released
Thx in advance for the answer!
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For the Diamond2 too, HTC should also release all the fixes.

some advise

hi i am new to all this but i have managed to hardspl my kaiser and also sim unlocked it and removed the cid.
i am now looking at flashing a rom but i would like a rom that has good look and also if possible has windows messenger and you tube allready in it and a smart look. can you recomend one?
also as i have unlocked this and i want to use it with t-mobile in the uk how can i put the mms sms and internet settings onto the handset to allow it to work with my t-mobile sim card
any help would be greatfully appreciated thanks

dazzlet said:
i am now looking at flashing a rom but i would like a rom that has good look and also if possible has windows messenger and you tube allready in it and a smart look. can you recomend one?
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It is very difficult to recommend one since we all have our own preferences. The best thing to do is decided are you going to go with WM 6.1 or WM 6.5, the next step is to pick a ROM and read the thread about it, seeing what the chef has put into his ROM and then finally...flash...that is the only way that you find the ROM that you like the best....
Good Luck...flashing is half the fun.

what is the differance between the 6.1 and 6.5 is one more stable than the other. also i have seen the athineOS too which i know runs on 6.5 but i dont fully understand what it is

dazzlet said:
what is the differance between the 6.1 and 6.5 is one more stable than the other. also i have seen the athineOS too which i know runs on 6.5 but i dont fully understand what it is
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6.1 has been officially been released, but 6.5 has some improvements in it, but it has not been officially released, but the chefs here have been able to craft some pretty good ROMs that are stable and workable.
Myself, I have chosen to stay with 6.1, because I have seen and read to many problems with 6.5 roms. It is ultimately your decision which version to go with.

dazzlet said:
hi i am new to all this but i have managed to hardspl my kaiser and also sim unlocked it and removed the cid.
i am now looking at flashing a rom but i would like a rom that has good look and also if possible has windows messenger and you tube allready in it and a smart look. can you recomend one?
also as i have unlocked this and i want to use it with t-mobile in the uk how can i put the mms sms and internet settings onto the handset to allow it to work with my t-mobile sim card
any help would be greatfully appreciated thanks
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like greywolf said, you pretty much need to look around and see what you like. i am using the lastest TPC rom and pretty happy with it, but there are a lot other good choices out there right now
As for you using your phone with other sim cards most roms come with "Connection Setup" it usually detects your sim card and asks you if u want to change the setting to the carrier. you can always search for the latest cab on this forum.

the how to?

hi, i just got my x1 a few weeks back and im looking to upgrade the rom and what i realized is it involves many more steps than what was required for my universal before?
i upgraded the official rom via the SD card method and that worked like a charm. But what i dont know is which rom can i upgrade to on my x1... as it seems that they are all based on R2... R3... etc?
so what im lookin for is a fast and simple answer on which roms i can upgrade on my x1. The method is not a problem. The rom selection is. And plus, which is the best rom you would recommend?
thankx

The best way is, imho:
Check the threads here. In each, you can find a description of the ROM,
a discussion about possible bugs and solutions, and recommendations from
the xda community.
Basically, you can flash any ROM you will find here. Some like the newest,
more "unofficial" builds of WinMo 6.5 with the Windows start menu at the
bottom, others prefer the "official" build with the menu at the top.
Again others prefer either a Windows only ROM, some Manila 2.1, some the
"latest" version 2.5, these are from the "Leo".
Almost the same applies to the radio/rilphone version.
If you have some spare time, make your own trials - start maybe with the
ROMs from agent_47, NRGZ28, spikegotti, itje, MrRusch... and soon, you
will have your very own, personal preferred solution.

thanks. another question? what is "manila"? unfimiliar with this term.

mazlano27 said:
thanks. another question? what is "manila"? unfimiliar with this term.
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Manila is the user interface by HTC, which seems to be a favorite of many
X1 users here at xda - there are many ROMs which are cooked with it.
Version 2.5 is taken from the upcoming Leo model, while 2.1 is from other
models, such as Rhodium and Topaz - those are the closest to the X1 from
hardware specifications. One kind of a "disadvantage" in the perception of
some users in the 2.5 version is missing landscape support for virtually all
functions, while 2.1 is fully landscape.
Manila brings eye candy, but also finger friendliness to WinMo devices. You
can easily recognize it with the big digital clock at the home screen.

tictac0566 said:
(...) One kind of a "disadvantage" in the perception of some users in the 2.5 version is missing landscape support for virtually all
functions, while 2.1 is fully landscape.
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I'd like to point out that the 2.5 version seems to be a little heavy for the X1.
The manila 2.1 from Rhodium\Topaz have a nice look & feel to them. Also battery life is VERY good with these versions (3 to 6 days on a single charge, depending on how you use your X1). Manila 2.1 does not have the Facebook and Twitter tabs, and has different Favorite and Home screen layouts.
My advise would be to go with a manila 2.1 ROM. My personal favorit is the FireStorm Rhodium\TOPAZ by Agent_47. It's loaded with lots of extra programs, and runs very stabile.
Excelent everyday use!

FireStorm Rhodium\TOPAZ by Agent_47? will give that a try? the htc leo is the HD 2 yes? and thanks for the clarification on the manila. been a great help. Is there much difference in the manila and the touch flo 3d cab? the cab seems to be stable too... and im not a big fan of wm6.5. ive never tried it before... how much free ram is there after the update?

mazlano27 said:
FireStorm Rhodium\TOPAZ by Agent_47? will give that a try? the htc leo is the HD 2 yes? and thanks for the clarification on the manila. been a great help. Is there much difference in the manila and the touch flo 3d cab? the cab seems to be stable too... and im not a big fan of wm6.5. ive never tried it before... how much free ram is there after the update?
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Manila is actually a nickname of what was called TouchFlo3D earlier, and to
complete the confusion, you will maybe read "Sense" sometimes, too. In fact,
that is again the same. Most people here use "Manila" and versions 2.1/2.5.
To install Manila with a cab is definitely quite a fast procedure, but the real
performance of your device will not be as fast as possible - even if stable.
The free RAM is different from ROM to ROM, lower WinMo "pure" ones are
somewhat around 30% memory usage, the lowest Manila ROMs are at
around 35-40% with 2.1, 45-55% with Manila 2.5 - but then again, this is
different from ROM to ROM.
In the sum, maybe a Touch X 10.8.2 or agent´s "Photon" ROM (standard)
could be a good point to start.
Once your are happy, the chef most probably will not be unhappy if you
take care of his/her donation fund...
Happy flashing!

thanks buddy uve been a great help. one last question, i have just upgraded my rom using the micro sd method. if i wanted to go back to my wm 6.1 official R3A rom which was released a lil over a week back, could i use that .nbh file to downgrade as if upgrading?
what im trying to ask is i just put the R3a rom file in my formatted sd card and load the phone in boot loader more and let the magic happen or a more complex process is required like backin up and restoring stock rom?

mazlano27 said:
thanks buddy uve been a great help. one last question, i have just upgraded my rom using the micro sd method. if i wanted to go back to my wm 6.1 official R3A rom which was released a lil over a week back, could i use that .nbh file to downgrade as if upgrading?
what im trying to ask is i just put the R3a rom file in my formatted sd card and load the phone in boot loader more and let the magic happen or a more complex process is required like backin up and restoring stock rom?
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I´ve seen your 2nd thread asking about speedy ROMs, and it seems you´re
already happily flashing...
Here´s the link for what to do in warranty/service needs...

yes happily flashing indeed. thanks buddy. just played around and got the hang of it. i understand it now.