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Hey all. Quick question today. I'm taking my first overseas trip this weekend and I'd rather not be without the ever-handy N1. I don't want to run up costs or have to deal with temp phones/sim cards, so I'm going to go with our amazing Dev Team's Wifi Calling method.
I've researched and seemed to have found that even if overseas, WIFI calling will not charge me for roaming if the calls are made back to the US, and I'll confirm that with TMO, but can anyone let me know if they've had success using the process overseas? Is the phone usable once I'm in Asia or Europe if it's still carrier locked to TMO, or will I see some sort of lock out screen?
Thanks for all of your help!
I can't believe that almost a year after the phone is out, some people still don't bother reading before asking...
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS CARRIER-LOCKED N1 !!!
Now, if you're asking whether the WiFi calling app detects the current network and locks you out in some way - that would completely defeat the purpose of WiFi calling, which is made from places with no reception, so I don't believe it's the case.
haha yeah, no nexus one phones exist that are locked in any way. all sold on planet earth were sold unlocked and carriers just sold them that way.
Good idea using the official wifi calling overseas.
I ignored wifi calling because of the two reasons below, but your idea makes it worth a try.
1) uses your minutes
2) supposedly only for $25 data plan users.
Try to set a proxy (located overseas,working) on your router to test, it may be possible with dd-wrt. Not sure.
The "WiFi calling" application if that is the one you are installing like a phone in a blue speech baloon?
I have used that when out of country before with a Blackberry to avoid those hideous charges while traveling.
That was made for T-Mobile and would not work unless you are a T-Mobile subscriber per my understanding. Not just regular sip client or anything like that.
People are making a big deal about Verizon Iphone not having voice and data at the same time. I thought this was a common issue since I never get voice and data on my nexus one (Tmo) how about you guys? The only phone that gave me voice and data was the G1.
No problems here, but I'm on AT&T. I'm almost always browsing the web or doing something else when I'm talking to the wife...just don't tell her that.
armyengineer51 said:
No problems here, but I'm on AT&T. I'm almost always browsing the web or doing something else when I'm talking to the wife...just don't tell her that.
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LOL what guys doesn't do that. I think it must be T-Mobile they been really unreliable lately in Los Angeles.
I can confirm that I can use data while on a call with US tmobile and yes it does matter (sometimes).
i believe it has something to do with the frequencies in use.
att can do data and voice simultaneously
the girlfriends nokia on tmo can not
disgustip8ted said:
i believe it has something to do with the frequencies in use.
att can do data and voice simultaneously
the girlfriends nokia on tmo can not
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It has nothing to do with the frequency, and every 3G GSM network has the capability to do voice and data at the same time. I assume in your case it's just bad coverage or she's not on 3G.
if you are connected to 3g you can use voice and data at the same time. its been this way for years. if you are on EDGE then you cannot. att and tmobile both are the same in this regard.
3g HSDPA has always been better because of this over verizon and sprint.
I currently have a windows phone 7 that I unlocked to allow WiFi tethering. I'm looking into vetting a lumia phone, however I don't want to change my plan.
Can windows phone 8 be forced to allow WiFi tethering as my current windows phone 7 is?
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1031982 said:
I currently have a windows phone 7 that I unlocked to allow WiFi tethering. I'm looking into vetting a lumia phone, however I don't want to change my plan.
Can windows phone 8 be forced to allow WiFi tethering as my current windows phone 7 is?
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I'm not sure if AT&T devices allow for tethering as is. If I'm correct, then this needs to be enabled by the carrier. I had this issue with my T-Mo 8X. It was on T-Mo, and tethering worked, then I went to Family Mobile, and it wouldn't. I'm currently on MetroPCS, and they allow tethering so its enabled once again. Same thing with Visual Voicemail.
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I currently have a windows phone 7 that I unlocked to allow WiFi tethering. I'm looking into vetting a lumia phone, however I don't want to change my plan.
Can windows phone 8 be forced to allow WiFi tethering as my current windows phone 7 is?
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I'm not sure if AT&T devices allow for tethering as is. If I'm correct, then this needs to be enabled by the carrier. I had this issue with my T-Mo 8X. It was on T-Mo, and tethering worked, then I went to Family Mobile, and it wouldn't. I'm currently on MetroPCS, and they allow tethering so its enabled once again. Same thing with Visual Voicemail.
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Sometimes its carrier dependent, sometimes its device dependent. If you switch to a subsidiary of your original carrier it will sometimes work. On WP7 there were tutorials to do this, but since the 4G/LTE switch things have been changed on the backend where it checks for "entitlement". Android hackers that have experience with how the process occurs won't help us....
AT&T allows tethering if you pay for a large data plan. My sister has a Windows Phone 8 and if she tries to enable tethering on it is says to call AT&T to activate it.
When I looked at it, it was more specific saying that you need a data plan that allows it.
In a pinch, you could use Tether-X I suppose. I've used it in those situations, and it worked fine for my needs.
I got the ATT 920 around September last year.
Day 2, I flashed it with the unbranded French ROM to get Amber and GDR2. There is a thread over at WPCentral regarding that flash procedure and there was a weird trick that enabled tethering. I dont remember the exact procedure, but I think it involved downloading the Spanish keyboard (as random as it sounds it worked.)
So I enjoyed the ability to tether, but my 300 MB plan didn't make it practical. With the Black update, my tethering was back to normal (meaning not working) but I heard of people getting it back by hard resetting their phone and doing something. I'm not sure off the top of my head.
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In a pinch, you could use Tether-X I suppose. I've used it in those situations, and it worked fine for my needs.
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As you have experience with this app, can you let me know if a tablet or iPod can be tethered to your phone?
It's rare, but on occasion I allow some other things to connect to my phone such as a deactivated android phone. I really only need to allow 2 devices at once as a minimal.
To answer your actual question (which everybody seems to be missing): The only phones we currently have that has the required unlock level to change stuff like that are the Huawei W1 (maybe others than the W1?) which is very low-end, and the Samsung ATIV line (ATIV S, etc.) which are pretty good although not on the same level as the new top-end Nokia devices (they were good at launch, but are now about a year old). Still far more powerful than any WP7 device, though.
Unfortunately, I don't know that anybody has found the required policies to set, yet. It's possible, but highly unlikely, that the same provxml used on WP7 could be used with WP8; provxml is very limited on WP8 so even though we can theoretically use it on interop-unlocked phones, it's not very useful. However, hotspot control may be one of the things it's useful for. Otherwise, there are capabilities (normally locked, but interop-unlock usually also means capability-unlock) related to setting those features as well. An app could be written that uses such capabilities. We would simply need to figure out how to do it...
I'm not thinking that would work for you. The Tether-X app requires your WP to be connected to a WiFi network, and the internet sharing is limited to the browser, with proxy set up in LAN settings. As its completely browser dependant with the need to have an existing network to connect to, I'm not sure how it would work for you. There's almost always workarounds to everything though. That app does have a free trial with limits only on the number of connections per month. I suggest try it, play around.
I'll have to try it out on my sisters phone. Otherwise I'll have to really compare what family plan we have now to what the new one that allows tethering.
Forgot to mention I plan on registering the phone with a developer account to get the latest updates from MS.
AT&T is so slow at approving things.
i've never had an issue activating the wifi hotspot on my lumia 920. i pay AT&T nothing extra for this feature; just go to settings, internet sharing, and slide to enable.
I also have this feature on my lumia 2520, and again, pay nothing extra.
brantmacga said:
i've never had an issue activating the wifi hotspot on my lumia 920. i pay AT&T nothing extra for this feature; just go to settings, internet sharing, and slide to enable.
I also have this feature on my lumia 2520, and again, pay nothing extra.
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What plan do you have? I am on the old family plan.
Did you get your phone from AT&T?
I have Internet Sharing available on my AT&T HTC Titan WP7, Lumia 520 GoPhone version, and AT&T Lumia 920.
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Well, I'm on a AT&T Family Plan. I checked my sisters phone, a Nokia Lumia 920, and I got an error telling me to order a plan that supports Internet Sharing.
I have a gut feeling that tethering is controlled, because Microsoft deliberately uses different APN for the phone's own internet connection and for the internet connection sharing. So when you try to enable the feature, phone tries communicating via the internet sharing APN, and in case it is now allowed by the carrier, fails and reports back the error.
I have a TMo Lumia 925 and my main carrier is Telus (in Canada). The unlocked phone used to work fine with internet sharing in Canada, and was giving me wrong plan error when I was trying to use it with my $2/day TMo prepaid plan while in US. After Black update TMo broke the internet sharing with Telus as well, so I flashed one of the Latin America ROMs to be able to get both Black update and Internet Sharing working with Telus. However, even with the Latin America ROM it still fails to turn it on with TMo.
I think the Access Point app contains settings for all carriers, and it doesn't let you modify the internet sharing APN. I bet that if we were able to somehow trick the phone to set the same APN for it's own connection and for internet sharing, carriers would have much harder time blocking it on plans that are not supposed to have it.
Well I'll have to really compare my options in terms of AT&T's plans.
In my opinion, its real stupid that carriers would block this stuff.
1031982 said:
In my opinion, its real stupid that carriers would block this stuff.
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No, it is not. The $30 3GB DataPro smartphone dataplan does not allow tethering. The carriers typically sell more expensive dataplan which allows tethering. All AT&T brand phones have always prohibited any form of tethering, regardless of smart or dumb phones.
To get around such restriction, you need to use factory unlocked phones. Carrier unlocked phones may or may not work depend on carrier's policy on tethering.
Or if you are adventurous enough, then you can choose a carrier phone that can be de-branded. Good luck finding the generic firmware and tools for flashing the phones. I was able to get Internet Sharing working on Nokia Lumia 520 GoPhone after debranding with generic firmware.
Any idea where to get either the firmware or a factory unlocked phone other then eBay? I would prefer to just get the firmware, but from what I have heard Nokia has decided to block access to the firmware images and possibly the tools as well.
Reason being the upfront cost of the phone.
My thoughts on it being stupid is using AT&T's reasoning for the limitation. There statement is to help prevent customers from going over there data plan. They could just as easily have a warning every time you enable the feature.
1031982 said:
My thoughts on it being stupid is using AT&T's reasoning for the limitation. There statement is to help prevent customers from going over there data plan.
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Well, that's what every carrier wants their customers to believe. They are doing this to protect the customers, including forcing dataplan on every smartphones they know of without the option to pay-per-use or just a simple data blocked. The customers are too *dumb* to disable mobile data on their *smart* phones.
I was wondering how wifi calling is going to work with the Nexus 6. Tmobile said that wifi calling is coming to the Nexus 6 early 2015 via an OTA update. Will the Nexus 6 from the play store also be able to receive this update and be able to use wifi calling?
raazman said:
I was wondering how wifi calling is going to work with the Nexus 6. Tmobile said that wifi calling is coming to the Nexus 6 early 2015 via an OTA update. Will the Nexus 6 from the play store also be able to receive this update and be able to use wifi calling?
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Since all the US carriers will have the same SKU, it's literally the exact same phone for all carriers. So there's no way they can tell where you purchased it, all the OTAs will be handled by Google.
What's likely happening is that Google is still finishing up the code for a generic wifi calling API (a lot of code is likely shared with VoLTE if I had to take a guess). When it detects a T-mobile SIM it will setup T-mobile's variant of wifi calling. Same for Sprint and any other carrier that rolls out wifi calling. So even if you aren't using T-mobile you'll get support for their wifi calling when that OTA is released. It just won't be activated unless you have a T-mobile SIM inserted.
It's going to be a similar case to support VoLTE on different carriers, since as of right now each implementation is incompatible with the others. It would be smart for Google to make a generic API for this so it's quicker/easier to add support for new carriers.
Ingenium13 said:
Since all the US carriers will have the same SKU, it's literally the exact same phone for all carriers. So there's no way they can tell where you purchased it, all the OTAs will be handled by Google.
What's likely happening is that Google is still finishing up the code for a generic wifi calling API (a lot of code is likely shared with VoLTE if I had to take a guess). When it detects a T-mobile SIM it will setup T-mobile's variant of wifi calling. Same for Sprint and any other carrier that rolls out wifi calling. So even if you aren't using T-mobile you'll get support for their wifi calling when that OTA is released. It just won't be activated unless you have a T-mobile SIM inserted.
It's going to be a similar case to support VoLTE on different carriers, since as of right now each implementation is incompatible with the others. It would be smart for Google to make a generic API for this so it's quicker/easier to add support for new carriers.
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Alright, that sounds pretty simple. Thanks!
On a separate note, I wonder if once it is enabled, if someone would be able to modify the N6 so it can bypass the WiFi calls going against your minutes, like how you can get around WiFi Hotspot checker on the N5 by editing the Database file. It probably isn't even possible on WiFi calls, but we do have some pretty smart people around these forums, so I'll stay hopeful for a bit. I have the $30 "unlimited data" plan with 100 minutes. Would be nice if I could bypass that 100 minutes by using WiFi calling somehow.
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On a separate note, I wonder if once it is enabled, if someone would be able to modify the N6 so it can bypass the WiFi calls going against your minutes, like how you can get around WiFi Hotspot checker on the N5. It probably isn't even possible on WiFi calls, but we do have some pretty smart people around these forums, so I'll stay hopeful for a bit. I have the $30 "unlimited data" plan with 100 minutes. Would be nice if I could bypass that 100 minutes by using WiFi calling somehow.
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I am on sprint and will get my N6 when it come out. I'm hoping they do the same for sprint as well for WiFi calling support. I know that on sprint they don't count against ur minutes or text... And sprint has unlimited LTE ...
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On a separate note, I wonder if once it is enabled, if someone would be able to modify the N6 so it can bypass the WiFi calls going against your minutes, like how you can get around WiFi Hotspot checker on the N5 by editing the Database file. It probably isn't even possible on WiFi calls, but we do have some pretty smart people around these forums, so I'll stay hopeful for a bit. I have the $30 "unlimited data" plan with 100 minutes. Would be nice if I could bypass that 100 minutes by using WiFi calling somehow.
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Why don't you use hangouts to call?
raazman said:
Why don't you use hangouts to call?
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I currently do on my N5. However, the quality is usually dependent on who I'm calling and where they are. It's rarely a problem on my end since I have really fast data connections at home and virtually anywhere I go. For example, my parents' WiFi router is in a bedroom at the opposite end of the house from where the living room is. So when I call them, even though I have a strong WiFi signal, their's isn't very good, so the call quality diminishes a bit. It would be great if I could use my WiFi signal and call their actual cell phone number (or house phone) so their is no drop in quality, without eating into my minutes.
Sprint has WiFi calling on some models already also so it's probably close to the same for all
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I currently do on my N5. However, the quality is usually dependent on who I'm calling and where they are. It's rarely a problem on my end since I have really fast data connections at home and virtually anywhere I go. For example, my parents' WiFi router is in a bedroom at the opposite end of the house from where the living room is. So when I call them, even though I have a strong WiFi signal, their's isn't very good, so the call quality diminishes a bit. It would be great if I could use my WiFi signal and call their actual cell phone number (or house phone) so their is no drop in quality, without eating into my minutes.
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Use hangouts to place a call over Wi-Fi to their cell phones?
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Use hangouts to place a call over Wi-Fi to their cell phones?
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Don't you have to have a Google Voice number for that, which you have to pay for? The whole thing would be not having to pay anything more than what I'm paying now. Don't get me wrong, I'm not hurting for minutes, but it would be nice to have free WiFi calling/minutes available if necessary.
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Don't you have to have a Google Voice number for that, which you have to pay for? The whole thing would be not having to pay anything more than what I'm paying now. Don't get me wrong, I'm not hurting for minutes, but it would be nice to have free WiFi calling/minutes available if necessary.
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It's free in the USA to call to landline.
Edit: https://support.google.com/hangouts/answer/3187125?hl=en
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It's free in the USA to call to landline.
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WHAT?!?!?! I feel like my whole life has been a lie!!! Haha! But in all seriousness, I thought that was only for people with Google Voice numbers. But after doing a quick Google search, it looks like you only need a GV number to RECEIVE said calls. Wow. I feel so dumb right about now. Thanks for enlightening me, guys!
Just got my Pixel 5 today and in reading up on it I discovered it has wi-fi calling capabilities. While this wasn't something I was actively looking for, it would be nice to have as the finished basement of our new house doesn't really get cellular signals, and even the rest of the house doesn't have the greatest cellular connection.
I do have wi-fi all throughout the house though, so if I could enable this feature it would be a bonus. I'm on Straight Talk, using the AT&T towers, and I'm just wondering if anyone has had any luck getting this feature activated with them. I've tried using their automated tool to see if the phone is capable, but it's telling me no. I don't see any options looking through the phone settings, and looking around on the ST site they don't mention the Pixel 5 in their FAQ section.
So is this phone feature only available on certain carriers? Do I need to get an updated SIM from Straight Talk (the one I'm using I've had for about 4-5 years or so)? Any help would be appreciated.
AT&T is very particular about what devices can use VoLTE and VoWIFI. i've found occasional workarounds, but for the most part you need an AT&T branded device for those features. AT&T has a running list of provisioned devices.
I'm afraid you are probably out of luck on this.
Too bad to hear this. Luckily, I've been surprised to find that I'm able to actually make and receive calls, at least in the main living area of the basement, so everything worked out okay in the end.
I can't promise you that it will work but from experience I'm pretty sure ..... If you can get customer support at ATT to provision your account for wifi calling AND put a dummy IMEI in your acct from a device that does wifi calling (one that is whitelisted by ATT) the wifi calling will work ..
I have done this many many times. The dummy IMEI had actually never been needed with pixel devices though, for me
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I can't promise you that it will work but from experience I'm pretty sure ..... If you can get customer support at ATT to provision your account for wifi calling AND put a dummy IMEI in your acct from a device that does wifi calling (one that is whitelisted by ATT) the wifi calling will work ..
I have done this many many times. The dummy IMEI had actually never been needed with pixel devices though, for me
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Would that even work in my case though, since I'm not an AT&T customer? I have Straight Talk, which is using the AT&T bands/towers, but I'm not technically with AT&T.
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Would that even work in my case though, since I'm not an AT&T customer? I have Straight Talk, which is using the AT&T bands/towers, but I'm not technically with AT&T.
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Not sure if calling Straight talk sand using an IMEI from a phone that normally does wifi calling with ATT would work or not. Go to an att and copy the IMEI of a demo phone then call straight talk and switch to that phone
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Not sure if calling Straight talk sand using an IMEI from a phone that normally does wifi calling with ATT would work or not. Go to an att and copy the IMEI of a demo phone then call straight talk and switch to that phone
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I may have to try that if it really starts becoming a problem. Surprisingly, as I mentioned above, I can actually make and receive calls in the main part of the basement. Maybe because it is the house above us, and not mostly the garage/solid cement like in the other portion where I was having trouble before, I'm not sure. It's pretty much just storage rooms in that section of the basement anyway, although that is where the internet comes in and the modem is located (the house is fully wired for internet, so I have a switch that feeds out from the basement to go throughout the house). Only time it would really become a concern is if I have to be on the phone with our internet provider while simultaneously working on the router or modem. Barring that, the phone seems to work fine throughout the majority of the basement, which wasn't what I was expecting.