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new user, initial setup?

I just upgraded from a 8125 (wizard) to a tilt from at&t. I had my wizard replaced through warranty with a tilt in the last month of my 8125 warranty, don't ask me how... The lady on the phone was quite helpful and definitely went above and beyond to give me that phone for free. I have been flipping through the kaisers forums for a couple of days now and Ive learned a few things like the driver problem and some other limitations/features available software and the likes.
What I'm curious is what would you people suggest I do as a new user? Skip the at&t extended rom? What software I should load onto it? What software I should remove? I am aware of the registry tweaker, but theres many options. What registry entries are good for an average user to use? What cabs or patches should I apply to my phone to get it in optimal order? Any other things that I currently am not thinking of or not aware of?
I do not think I wish to upgrade the rom or any of that sort. I am conscious of battery life and have learned that most roms make battery life suffer/the risk of flashing is not worth the upgrade for me since I will be out of warranty soon. Should I be convinced to flash? I have learned about a wm6.1 though. Is this something already on my phone or is this something at&t will be offering as an update already/in the future?
I have looked at the wiki and scanned through a lot of pages but I haven't seen anything that would be helpful for new users. This would be a good thread to have stickied.

How on Earth is there nothing helpful for a new user on this site? This thread is a redundant thread.. lol
but here.
Anything on here that floats your boat.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=332438&highlight=suggest+software
Here is what was said when another person pretty much asked the same thing
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=380887&highlight=suggest+software
same thing
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=377257&highlight=suggest+software
A nice conversation about gps and the kaiser
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=382240
You might have some instant messaging questions
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1150324
This forum might be useful
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=419
man I didn't even get a half a percent of the usefulness linked.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=369282
and where the hell did you get the idea that a cooked rom makes battery life worse???

I should have been more clear in what I meant. Instead of there not being information, there is too much information and assumes a certain level of knowledge already. To expect somebody to read through all the pages in the multiple forum sections just to get up and running is unfair. At count, I am at page 25 on the general discussion but I still know barely anything relative to how much info is out there.
To address the software question, most software is simply just listed, nary a description or information about it or suggestions on how useful it is. I would like to try software but I don't want to have to install 50 things just to find 5 that I like, not to mention the residual mess of a crummy uninstall. Same goes with cabs, patches and tweaks. For somebody who is quite familiar with the device, issues and history its quite easy to navigate around the knowledge but for somebody who doesn't know exactly what they are looking for it can be quite cumbersome.

Click here to see some awesome pictures of the AT&T Tilt in motion.

Thanks for that but I'm not a moron, I didn't click it. Plus no need to be a jerk.
To address the battery life issue, in several threads reads ive read, people have stated horrible battery life with the kaiser such as about half a day or less and have stated they have are currently using a cooked rom. I know my deductive reasoning is slightly flawed but I hardly believe that the factory rom would yeild that bad of battery life (I know its quite bad but not that much). Secondly, I've been using the wizard forum for quite some time now and most of the cooked roms make battery life worse for that device. One would only expect the issue to be somewhat similar.

matthewvl said:
Thanks for that but I'm not a moron, I didn't click it. Plus no need to be a jerk.
To address the battery life issue, in several threads reads ive read, people have stated horrible battery life with the kaiser such as about half a day or less and have stated they have are currently using a cooked rom. I know my deductive reasoning is slightly flawed but I hardly believe that the factory rom would yeild that bad of battery life (I know its quite bad but not that much). Secondly, I've been using the wizard forum for quite some time now and most of the cooked roms make battery life worse for that device. One would only expect the issue to be somewhat similar.
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then u should just try out the roms and make that conclusion urself in regards to battery life

Welcome Matthew -
I am going to try and give you an analogy - most people purchase a car and it works - they like the car - they get some extras like a CD player - or Satellite radio etc. When their car has a problem they take it to the dealer. He fixes it and give it back to them STOCK.
Some other people have to hot rod their cars - soup them up so to speak.
You have come to the ultimate "soup up" shop, and dropped in and said that it should not be this difficult to own a car and that you do not know enough to do this.
There is great news for you - your phone will work just fine the way that you got it. It is designed by AT&T to work EXACTLY the way that you got it. No more no less.
Your battery life should be just fine. (although some have had problems - but then you take it back to AT&T and they FIX it).
At this point - if you wish to "soup" your phone - dig in and start reading. You will be surprised at how easy it is to soup your phone, and how happy you can be with it. BUT - like going to a foreign country and trying to talk to them in English you are going to tick people off here. You need to TRY and work with them - try a little soup speak and you will find it goes a long way.
Bill
matthewvl said:
Thanks for that but I'm not a moron, I didn't click it. Plus no need to be a jerk.
To address the battery life issue, in several threads reads ive read, people have stated horrible battery life with the kaiser such as about half a day or less and have stated they have are currently using a cooked rom. I know my deductive reasoning is slightly flawed but I hardly believe that the factory rom would yeild that bad of battery life (I know its quite bad but not that much). Secondly, I've been using the wizard forum for quite some time now and most of the cooked roms make battery life worse for that device. One would only expect the issue to be somewhat similar.
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I don't want to have to install 50 things just to find 5 that I like
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How can we tell you what you like?
For somebody who is quite familiar with the device, issues and history its quite easy to navigate around the knowledge but for somebody who doesn't know exactly what they are looking for it can be quite cumbersome.
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How do you think most of us learned what and how? Not everyones device acts the same.

Yeah pretty much what you need to do is search for things you might want and then go from there. If you want a video program that search for video, etc etc.
And actually the rom I'm using now gets way better battery life then the 3 I had before it.

Touch diamond queries

sorry if i have selected a wrong section...
i am not a wm mobile user as such so might be question sound stupid
- while reading some reviews got to know that speed issue can be solved by upgrading rom (increasing chache) and all.. if yes, pls let me know how can we do that and where can find such roms
- also read that battery life is very low.. if yes, is there any solution to that. tomorrow i am planning to buy this phone. so pls guide me.
- Has it got inbuilt GPS (with navigation, voice navigation and all)? i mean, there is no need to buy separate hardware for the same.
thanks

All your answers are on here 0 use search!
But to help
It has built in GPS hardware, you supply the software (tom tom whatever(
Battery life is a couple of days on mine with latest UK stock ROM and moderate usage although you need to go through a few charge cycles to achieve the optimum
Latest ROMS are all fast - there are many to choose from
Hope this helps

arinjayw said:
sorry if i have selected a wrong section...
i am not a wm mobile user as such so might be question sound stupid
1 - while reading some reviews got to know that speed issue can be solved by upgrading rom (increasing chache) and all.. if yes, pls let me know how can we do that and where can find such roms
2 - also read that battery life is very low.. if yes, is there any solution to that. tomorrow i am planning to buy this phone. so pls guide me.
3 - Has it got inbuilt GPS (with navigation, voice navigation and all)? i mean, there is no need to buy separate hardware for the same.
thanks
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If you buy your Diamond now, there is a good chance it will come with the latest ROM, in which case speed is not really an issue. If not, just register on HTC e-Club and download the latest ROM from there; it's very easy to upgrade: you just connect your phone to the PC and run the downloaded program on the PC. In 20 min you'll have the latest ROM. Since you are not a WM user, I would advise against using non official ROM's until you know better your system.
The battery gets much better after a few recharges. Also, read the tweak section on this forum. It's pretty easy to do and will significantly improve your battery life. Make sure you read all the posts so you understand better what's good for you.
The Diamond has a built in GPS. Whether it also has a navigation software is not certain. In certain countries it does, in other it doesn't. If you buy your software afterwards, there is a good chance you'll find detailed information about it on this forum.
Good luck and enjoy your new phone. You made a good choice

yes.. i used search but could not get a concrete answer as such.
anyway, i am in Mumbai, India.
GPS- If i have got the google maps wont it solve the navigation problem?
- If using wi-fi for 30 mins, calls-1 hr and games/music 20 mins.. will it last for a day atleast
- while reading some reviews got to know that speed issue can be solved by upgrading rom (increasing chache) and all.. if yes, pls let me know how can we do that and where can find such roms

pedmond said:
If you buy your Diamond now, there is a good chance it will come with the latest ROM, in which case speed is not really an issue. If not, just register on HTC e-Club and download the latest ROM from there; it's very easy to upgrade: you just connect your phone to the PC and run the downloaded program on the PC. In 20 min you'll have the latest ROM. Since you are not a WM user, I would advise against using non official ROM's until you know better your system.
The battery gets much better after a few recharges. Also, read the tweak section on this forum. It's pretty easy to do and will significantly improve your battery life. Make sure you read all the posts so you understand better what's good for you.
The Diamond has a built in GPS. Whether it also has a navigation software is not certain. In certain countries it does, in other it doesn't. If you buy your software afterwards, there is a good chance you'll find detailed information about it on this forum.
Good luck and enjoy your new phone. You made a good choice
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Thanks for your prompt response.
I am in india, Mumabi- How about the GPS? any clue?
- Currently i am with airtel (lcoked diamond with) so no problem, but in future, can it be unlocked and used with any other service provider?
-how to check the rom from device itself? and which one is the latset rom? this will help me to make to buy a phone from a particular place
- yes, i am not WM user but am technical person. pls let me know the resource from where i can read more abt non-official roms?
- Also am bit confused between, HTC touch cruise, HTC diomand and HTC tyTN II.. which one is better in terms of performance and wi-fi,GPS features

waiting for reply... thanks

Give up on running android on x1 for everyday use?

I am getting tired of running android on the x1. Battery lasts only a few hours no matter how much u try and tweak it. Standby also consumes too much battery, performance on apps are too weak. Speaker also does not off and a ringing tone keeps repeating.
Well this is only my opinion, some may feel the same but most will not give up hope. Seeing android lasting for a whole day ( include standby ) on my friend's hd2 makes me feel that x1 wasn't meant to run android and only poorly on windows mobile.
I will still encourage the developers to continue their work, and many great thks for allowing me to have a feel of android.
Thus, I will either get an android phone or one that hopefully could last longer running android.
GD Luck to the devs!!!( using android to post for the last time)
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Count the devs who are working on X1 android. Then count how many are working on HD2 android.
You cannot compare those two, since HD2 have a lot bigger community which means more devs that discover new things.

I also give up.
Im thankfull to all who are working on this. But is seems that battery issue will never be fixed.

So, guys, what is the point of these posts? Do you really think, you are going to motivate developers with saying you will quit?

Idiots, think of it as testing, each new build brings us closer to a fully working one. As of now it's not meant to be used everyday.

Lunie said:
Idiots, think of it as testing, each new build brings us closer to a fully working one. As of now it's not meant to be used everyday.
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That's it!

Lunie said:
Idiots, think of it as testing, each new build brings us closer to a fully working one. As of now it's not meant to be used everyday.
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You learned that talk from your parents or what???
First of all im visiting this sub-forum 100 times per day for last few months. I was always first to test new ports and kernels and always give feedback to developers to which im very gratefull for their work.
I dont know why this topic was opened. But what i want to say is that im not going to be active on this like i was before. Developers have my support and i wont abandone this completly. I will be first to congratulate them when its done, but its simply too long for me. This is not critic to developers...not at all.
In my line of work its important to resolve main issues and not bother with lesser issues. When you solved main problems than you advance to lesser problems.
I wont call you idiot my friend. You mentioned testing. For me its not effective for developers to constanlty test if some application works, if wifi, 3d, gps works in some versions and other wont. For me its painfull to bother with theese problems when you cant use android at all becouse of battery.
Developers should unite in order to fix battery life first.
Sorry if i insulted anyone (i think i didnt) but in 10 years of my work i learned in my work that issues should be solved hierarchicly.
P.S. Sorry for my slavic english

denyboy said:
You learned that talk from your parents or what???
First of all im visiting this sub-forum 100 times per day for last few months. I was always first to test new ports and kernels and always give feedback to developers to which im very gratefull for their work.
I dont know why this topic was opened. But what i want to say is that im not going to be active on this like i was before. Developers have my support and i wont abandone this completly. I will be first to congratulate them when its done, but its simply too long for me. This is not critic to developers...not at all.
In my line of work its important to resolve main issues and not bother with lesser issues. When you solved main problems than you advance to lesser problems.
I wont call you idiot my friend. You mentioned testing. For me its not effective for developers to constanlty test if some application works, if wifi, 3d, gps works in some versions and other wont. For me its painfull to bother with theese problems when you cant use android at all becouse of battery.
Developers should unite in order to fix battery life first.
Sorry if i insulted anyone (i think i didnt) but in 10 years of my work i learned in my work that issues should be solved hierarchicly.
P.S. Sorry for my slavic english
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True, devs are more interested to fix stuff like wifi, bluetooth, gps etc rather than battery. I hope that they will turn their attention to battery first, like successfully make the phone completely sleep in standby. Currently phone consumes the same amount of energy during standby as having the screen on.
But i would not say that developers wasted time doing useless porting of the android system. For Example: Without them wifi would still be completely broken and we would not get to use the android market at all.
Still users have to plug in the wall charger to be able to play or use android. All i hope for is that battery life the main focus of all devs. thanks
(Meanwhile getting another phone to run android till xperiax1 battery is fixed )

Yeah you are right. There is not much improvement in battery life last time, but i think devs are trying to do their best. For example tremere is experimenting with new battery driver and tickless kernel and neopeek have included launcher that is supposed to suck less power.
These things need time. And I'm sure that we will get decent power usage some day.

I have an X1, and i remember the first ever build of android for it, (few months ago), they were terrible, upside-down screen, only a few clicks work, but over time they arrived where we are now, a nearly fully working android for x1, give the hackers/devs some time and they will make it work 99%
I tried neopeek android copy on my x1, and i liked android so much, that 2 days ago i got myself an HD2, which is working now on some HD2 android builds (you will ask why not go directly to some android device, well, i still need windows for some apps, and as an escape in case i don't like android, if i see that i use android 100% of the time, i'll get an android device).
and guess what: HD2 androids suffer from battery issues, they are not few hours like the X1, but still they consume the battery very quickly compared to androids or HD2 windows.

Please do not compare porting android to the X1 with real work for money. It is something completely different, it is a hobby/learning/fun-project. From economical point of view it is complete nonsense because for 100 Euro you can buy a android 2.2 phone to play with. But this is not about money, so there is no pressure behind the development, so it takes time. MUCH TIME!
I agree that battery life is the last big stone in the way to every-day-use. And i am quite sure it is the last, because it is the most difficult to remove. Some time ago i tried myself on getting knowledge about linux/android powermanagement - it is a quite complex animal If you follow the kernel-thread, then it seems that there finally is some progress with power management. Some devs report "2% battery drop per hour on standby", so full day of normal use is getting closer.
Oh, and please dont suggest things like "Developers should unite in order to fix battery life first." Developers do not unite, they develop. Someone else has to spend some time and unite them. Everyone is welcome to do that
"I wont call you idiot my friend." - Well done!!!

Having owned Android phones for about a year and a half now, I'd say battery life on Android devices is pretty mediocre. Period.
I have to charge my HTC Desire at least once a day. Sure, it's likely a kernel issue with Android's lack of stamina on the X1, but please remember that Android isn't exactly known for great battery life. Here are some things you can do to enhance it, though:
How to Improve Battery Life on Android Phones

I guess it came my time to give up android on XPERIA completely. I sold my Xperia X1 to my friend. And im feeling somehow sad.
I have bougth myself HTC Leo HD2. Android works great. But somehow it was more special running semi-functional android on X1.
It felt like modifing WV Golf 2 for Formula 1 racing
XPERIA X1 is phone which you love and hate totally the same.
Even if i dont have any more X1 i will celebrate the day when Android will be fully funcional on X1 and i will still visit this forum.
Bye my friends.

Now battery is way more improved, but buttons bug appeared . It's actually funny. Before, when i showed android to my friend, i said: "i will quickly show you this because battery will expire in 3 minutes." Now i say "damn, buttons are not working again. Wait, i will reboot it"

ok it seems like that

[Q] Which is the best rom for...?

Well First off I gotta say some of the things here are pretty damn super.
But the thing I find is most of these roms take up too much battery all too quickly, even when i barely use my phone.
So which rom should i try and stick in order to maximise my battery life?
Quick response would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.

j41 said:
Well First off I gotta say some of the things here are pretty damn super.
But the thing I find is most of these roms take up too much battery all too quickly, even when i barely use my phone.
So which rom should i try and stick in order to maximise my battery life?
Quick response would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
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Well, the question is what you really want to have in your ROM and what is obsolete for you. Eye-candy needs power....
Switch of all automatic Facebook, email, weather, stock, twitter etc. updates, switch off 3G, dim the light and use wifi only when necessary - this will increase your battery life significantly.
And you might try the link in my signature as well.

I'm not an expert but according to my experience for cooked ROMs,
- Xara & Vision and (this ROM is similar to Jeperlea's) is very good bettery drainage but the HTC Calculator annoy me very much. Anyway, -Jeperlea has been back to continue his ROM, but I really feel boring of his ROM's inconsistence
- Russell Eclair's, his ROM is also very impressive for me, unfortunately his Final ROM has some trouble in the first usage. Over all, like it.
- SGXU XPERIA UNOFF, like this ROM too, unfortunately some program isn't working properly.
- 826X-peria, some version is great in battery drainage and performance but some isn't. This ROM is also stopped due to stolen willyung's gadget.
The worst; Energy ROM, I dunno know why people flash this **** to their phone because it's the worst ROM I've ever used. Good interface (Kinda boring), but really poor performance, u can't use this for daily used.

Sorry to the OP for slightly drifting off topic.
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Energy ROM, I dunno know why people flash this **** to their phone because it's the worst ROM I've ever used.
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Well, maybe because not everybody acts according to your standards.
I won't go through all the "fantastic" ROMs you listed above just to verify whether Energy ROMs are that bad or not. It's just strange that you kind of recommend ROMs which obviously have problems running at all and contain annoying software.
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I am happy with Energy, it is way more performant than others I tried before - and it just works out of the box.

[Q] Getting an IS tomorrow or on monday...

But, where should I start?
Is it really necessery to flash a custom ROM, or is this phone snappy enough with Sense (but I'll probably use GoLauncher or LauncherPro, I only use 1 homescreen...)?
Which tweaks are really necessery to make the phone's battery survive for more than 24 hours, when texting pretty much?
Perhaps the phone's battery survives even though I text a lot (between 100-500 texts/day, depending on how bored I am)?
How's the vibrator in this phone, can I have it in silent mode and have it in my pocket and actually notice when I get a text?
My current phone's vibrator is pretty crappy.
I've been browsing this forum for some time now but haven't found anything that answers my questions... I come from an Acer Liquid A1, without CM7 or MIUI that phone is probably one of the worst phones ever done. But, I sure hope this community is just as active as the one the Liquid had, and still have
(lol, "is this a question?" eh, it's many questions... )
oh, and one more thing; is this device brickable? or can you always reset it to default, like with the liquid? if something f...s up you can always boot into bootloader and reflash a *.bin
Help a newbie to get started, and flashing things and stuff is nothing new. Only the way to root it is new for me... :/
Regards,
Me
(hopefully I haven't missed a thread that answers all my questions, but of what I've found I haven't found anything that actually helps me. if I've missed it, just link to it and remove this thread )

Splux said:
But, where should I start?
Is it really necessery to flash a custom ROM, or is this phone snappy enough with Sense (but I'll probably use GoLauncher or LauncherPro, I only use 1 homescreen...)?
Which tweaks are really necessery to make the phone's battery survive for more than 24 hours, when texting pretty much?
Perhaps the phone's battery survives even though I text a lot (between 100-500 texts/day, depending on how bored I am)?
How's the vibrator in this phone, can I have it in silent mode and have it in my pocket and actually notice when I get a text?
My current phone's vibrator is pretty crappy.
I've been browsing this forum for some time now but haven't found anything that answers my questions... I come from an Acer Liquid A1, without CM7 or MIUI that phone is probably one of the worst phones ever done. But, I sure hope this community is just as active as the one the Liquid had, and still have
(lol, "is this a question?" eh, it's many questions... )
oh, and one more thing; is this device brickable? or can you always reset it to default, like with the liquid? if something f...s up you can always boot into bootloader and reflash a *.bin
Help a newbie to get started, and flashing things and stuff is nothing new. Only the way to root it is new for me... :/
Regards,
Me
(hopefully I haven't missed a thread that answers all my questions, but of what I've found I haven't found anything that actually helps me. if I've missed it, just link to it and remove this thread )
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I don't think you need a custom ROM. See if the battery is good enough for your needs. Remember to drain the battery completely multiple times to "train" it.
On another note, why get such an expensive phone, just for texting? It's going to drain a lot of battery while you are looking at the screen. Might as well go for a feature phone imo.

You should easily get 24 + hours if all you do is text mainly. Just remember to turn data off. It will help make your battery last longer.
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sdxda said:
I don't think you need a custom ROM. See if the battery is good enough for your needs. Remember to drain the battery completely multiple times to "train" it.
On another note, why get such an expensive phone, just for texting? It's going to drain a lot of battery while you are looking at the screen. Might as well go for a feature phone imo.
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Well, my current phone dies pretty quickly when texting a lot. Today it went from 60% down to 5%, and I woke for 11hours ago and have been texting ppl since then.
And I'm buying a new phone since my 4 touch-buttons on this one is getting really weird, they only work sometimes and yesterday they all died so I was stuck in a conversation and had to reboot to get out of it.
And sending texts and stuff is what I mainly do, of course I browse the Internet, play games and everything. During school and such I only text people, and a lot. So I pretty much needs the phone to make more than 24hours without charging it, even though I text a lot and listen to music.
@NardVa;
Won't be a problem. Already thought of that
Thanks for the replies

sdxda said:
I don't think you need a custom ROM. See if the battery is good enough for your needs. Remember to drain the battery completely multiple times to "train" it.
On another note, why get such an expensive phone, just for texting? It's going to drain a lot of battery while you are looking at the screen. Might as well go for a feature phone imo.
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I was going to suggest flashing, the stock rom is garbage for battery life. Android Revolution HD seems to be one of the more popular choices, but of course Cyanogen Mod is there if you decide the Sense UI isn't your thing

swatsor said:
I was going to suggest flashing, the stock rom is garbage for battery life. Android Revolution HD seems to be one of the more popular choices, but of course Cyanogen Mod is there if you decide the Sense UI isn't your thing
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I've made up my mind now, I'll use the official GB ROM for a couple of days/weeks/months (basically untill I'm tired of Sense 2.1) and then flash a Sense 3.0 ROM and hopefully I can understand which one of all those RUU's that's made for Europe too when I'm bored of Sense 2.1
You don't happen to know how it is with bricking this phone? Can you always reset it to stock, or can you actually brick it for real so it's 100% unusable?