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[Q] Does ROM Manager back up the ENTIRE phone?

Silly noob-like question, but I wanted to make sure before I continued messing with my phone.
Does ROM Manager back up EVERYTHING on the phone? For example, I backup my rom. Move the backup file onto my pc. Then I screw around with roms, lag fixes, etc. and totally screw it up. If I "restore" the backup made by ROM Manager, will all my apps, settings, desktop, data files, etc be exactly as they were before I started screwing around?
Or, would I need to use Odin to load the same ROM as that which was backed up and then run Rom Manager Restore?
Thanks!

Yes it does
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Here's another question regarding this thread:
I have the lagfix mod which uses the internal sdcard. When I create a backup will it and restore exactly how it was including the lagfix partition? If yes, is it the same procedures or do I have to do it a different way with the extra partition?
Thanks in advance.

Deca4 said:
Here's another question regarding this thread:
I have the lagfix mod which uses the internal sdcard. When I create a backup will it and restore exactly how it was including the lagfix partition? If yes, is it the same procedures or do I have to do it a different way with the extra partition?
Thanks in advance.
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Actually I am trying to figure out the same thing. I made a backup before I started messing around with lag fixes, different roms and so forth. Then the other day I tried to restore a rom it didn't work. Eventually I soft bricked the phone and had to make the USB Jig to get it working again. Needless to say I am very intrigued with what exactly Rom Manager does backup and its limitations but I can't seem to find it anywhere. I am thinking the reason my backup was screwed up was because of a lag fix, only problem is I can't remember what lag fix I had on it when I did the initial recovery.

Something from my experience to add here:
Scenario 1:
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I backed up the original 2.1 JH7 on my phone.
Installed 2.2 custom ROM, and played around with it.
Backed up 2.2 ROM.
Messed up with my 2.2 custom ROM.
Went to ROM manager recovery, and recovered the backed up 2.1 JH7, and ended up messing up. My phone didn't even boot up.
Then I went back to recovery, and tried restoring the backed up version of 2.2.
Phone booted up into 2.2, but, started giving a lot of FCs.
Scenario 2:
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Installed 2.2 custom ROM 1.
Backed it up.
Messed it.
Restored it - worked fine.
Installed 2.2 custom ROM 2.
Backed it up.
Restored the 2.2 custom ROM 1.
Everything working fine.
Looks like as long as the core OS is of the same version, it seems to work.
Maybe there is something in the boot sequence that's probably not being restored (???)
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Edit: I do not have CWM app installed. I use the CWM update.zip recovery manager since its the least intrusive way.

diablo009 said:
Something from my experience to add here:
Scenario 1:
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I backed up the original 2.1 JH7 on my phone.
Installed 2.2 custom ROM, and played around with it.
Backed up 2.2 ROM.
Messed up with my 2.2 custom ROM.
Went to ROM manager recovery, and recovered the backed up 2.1 JH7, and ended up messing up. My phone didn't even boot up.
Then I went back to recovery, and tried restoring the backed up version of 2.2.
Phone booted up into 2.2, but, started giving a lot of FCs.
Scenario 2:
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Installed 2.2 custom ROM 1.
Backed it up.
Messed it.
Restored it - worked fine.
Installed 2.2 custom ROM 2.
Backed it up.
Restored the 2.2 custom ROM 1.
Everything working fine.
Looks like as long as the core OS is of the same version, it seems to work.
Maybe there is something in the boot sequence that's probably not being restored (???)
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Edit: I do not have CWM app installed. I use the CWM update.zip recovery manager since its the least intrusive way.
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Interesting, it would makes sense in what you are saying. My error that I go was when I went from my original JH7 backup, installed a rom based on JH6 and then tried to install my original backup. I might have to try JH6 roms and see if I can restore to them easily or not. I will have to wait for Micro USB cables to come in as I don't have a spare since I used my only cable to make the JIG.

The kernel and modem aren't backed up, so if your backups use different ones and you try to restore them you'll have issues.

I herd a rumor that rom manager doesn't work with froyo on the captivate. But I could be totally wrong.
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peachpuff said:
The kernel and modem aren't backed up, so if your backups use different ones and you try to restore them you'll have issues.
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This is what I have read about it as well

Voodoo
There is also a different version of CWM Recovery (what Rom Manager uses to back things up) for the voodoo lag fix.

tnerb123 said:
I herd a rumor that rom manager doesn't work with froyo on the captivate. But I could be totally wrong.
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It works. I backed up and restored a few variants of Froyo ROMs.

peachpuff said:
The kernel and modem aren't backed up, so if your backups use different ones and you try to restore them you'll have issues.
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How do I backup these? Is there any way?

If Ron Manager does backup the kernel and modem why would so many people have problems restoring back to different Roms? This is why I am so puzzled with this software.
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Rom Manager can backup EFS folder ??
i lost my imei and the only backup that i have its from Ron Manager

Absolutely it does there!

Maybe I'm old fashioned, but best bet is backup from recovery. Saves everything down to browser login data. Can't go wrong with a full backup! I make one every time I flash just about anything.
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Rom Manager vs CWM Recovery
yes Rom Manager can do backup of phone..but why not just do
a Nandroid Backup from CWM Recovery..
never had problem with Nandroid Backup from CWM Recovery :victory:

dobi3 said:
yes Rom Manager can do backup of phone..but why not just do
a Nandroid Backup from CWM Recovery..
never had problem with Nandroid Backup from CWM Recovery :victory:
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Agreed!
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Rom Manager Recovery question.

So I have tried many times to restore my phone from a backup made by recovery manager, but it never seems to work. It will always make it to the desktop, but either restart constantly or everything will constantly crash making it unusable. Is there something I'm doing wrong?
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Is your back up the same base as what toy are on. Meaning 2.1 to 2.1. Are you trying to restore a stock backup over 2.2?

mcord11758 said:
Is your back up the same base as what toy are on. Meaning 2.1 to 2.1. Are you trying to restore a stock backup over 2.2?
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No. The ROM I was running when doing the backup was Serendipity 3.0. I flashed back to Serendipity 3.0, then ran my restore. Everything constantly crashes.
EDIT: I've found uninstalling and reinstalling the applications works, but then there's no point in making a nandroid backup. I might as well just flash back to the ROM I was on and use TiBu in that case.

Anyone else have any ideas?
I'd really like to experiment more with ROMs and custom projects, but I don't want to unless I can basically go back to what I had with one click.

Get titanium backup pro. lts $5, but well worth it. Everything restores with one click.
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sixstringsg said:
Get titanium backup pro. lts $5, but well worth it. Everything restores with one click.
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Yeah, I guess I'll just backup absolutely everything with TiBU Pro and keep the installation files around for each ROM, since CWM backups do not seem to work properly.

Auridran said:
Yeah, I guess I'll just backup absolutely everything with TiBU Pro and keep the installation files around for each ROM, since CWM backups do not seem to work properly.
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CWM backups work fine as long as you have matching firmware versions (2.1-2.1, 2.2-2.2, or 2.2.1-2.2.1)
also you need to be aware of lagfixes in the rom that you may currently be running, they are not always compatible between roms
nandroid does not backup your kernel or modem which is why you need to be moving within the same firmware versions
you cant make a stock nandroid backup, flash a 2.2 rom, then restore from that backup immediately. you will need to do a couple of things first.
keep a stock 2.1 cwm flashable kernel and modem on your sdcard
revert any lagfixes your phone may have prior to trying to restore your nandroid of stock
once lagfixes are removed, flash your kernel and modem (same firmware version as your nandroid backup)(its possible to have this set up within ONE zip file)
once you are rebooted back into CWM, restore your nandroid...reboot and profit

Pirateghost said:
CWM backups work fine as long as you have matching firmware versions (2.1-2.1, 2.2-2.2, or 2.2.1-2.2.1)
also you need to be aware of lagfixes in the rom that you may currently be running, they are not always compatible between roms
nandroid does not backup your kernel or modem which is why you need to be moving within the same firmware versions
you cant make a stock nandroid backup, flash a 2.2 rom, then restore from that backup immediately. you will need to do a couple of things first.
keep a stock 2.1 cwm flashable kernel and modem on your sdcard
revert any lagfixes your phone may have prior to trying to restore your nandroid of stock
once lagfixes are removed, flash your kernel and modem (same firmware version as your nandroid backup)(its possible to have this set up within ONE zip file)
once you are rebooted back into CWM, restore your nandroid...reboot and profit
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Well like I said, I made a backup on my Serendipity 3.0 ROM I had going, flashed to something else, then even flashed back to Serendipity 3.0 before restoring and it still didn't work properly. All the apps I had installed just force-closed until I reinstalled them, or force-closed somewhere during use.

[Q] Backup current Rom/eMMC?

As I'm reading about installing HC, Froyo or CM7 on eMMC, I'm curious about "saving" my current stock eclair rom in case I want to put it back...
If I make a CWM Recovery microSD, boot off that, do a backup... Can I just restore that if I want to get back to the way it is now? (assuming I just install something like Froyo to eMMC)

There are a few threads for stock recovery (check search). That will put it back like it was when you took it out if the box.
It's easier than trying to capture the partitions and data when someone else has already fine to all the trouble if doing it.
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Thank you, I understand there are a few threads over in the developer section on how to get back to "out of the box" type stock, and I have read them and they all talk about using the done by someone else "images" or "roms."
They don't seem to apply as I've setup eclair pretty much the way I want to... so I am not looking for how to get back to "stock like out of the box"... but rather to the eclair as I have it setup now.
i.e. if I want to got back to eclair, I don't want to have to reconfigure everything all over again.

KidJoe,
Yes, you can do the backup like that, save it on your PC or something and restore later when you need it. I did that before.
Slu3

slu3 said:
KidJoe,
Yes, you can do the backup like that, save it on your PC or something and restore later when you need it. I did that before.
Slu3
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Thank you for the confirmation.

[Q] Nandroid and TIBU questions

I have two captivate I987's. Both are 2.2 and running firefly 3. On one phone I backed up stock froyo with nandroid via cwm. I also backed up the stock kernel via sgs kernel flasher. Can I take the nandroid bu and kernel bu from one phone, put it on my pc, compress to zip, then place in the sd card of the other phone and flash via cwm? Getting me back to stock 2.2?
Also, i use the free version of TIBU. I copied my back up to my pc. When I try to put the backup on my new captivate, TIBU doesn't seem to recognize it. I've placed it in the root of the sd as well as the TIBU folder. Any way to make this work?

1. No.
2. Hit the "problems?" Button in tibu and make sure busybox is installed.

Busy box is installed. Maybe something else not right? Do I have to use paid version? Since I got ur attention, is using odin one click with any build higher than 1010 an almost guarantee of brick. Does anyone know? Currently I have a 1010, and an 1101.
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Cdub3 said:
Busy box is installed. Maybe something else not right? Do I have to use paid version? Since I got ur attention, is using odin one click with any build higher than 1010 an almost guarantee of brick. Does anyone know? Currently I have a 1010, and an 1101.
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I hear it depends on the phone, some do brick but some don't, I've used one click on my 1012 and didn't have any problems but that's just personal experience
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You don't need the paid version.ummm Make sure it's pointed to the right folder and that it didn't get corrupt copying over from your pc.
I flash and mod 3 captivates: 1 a 1010, and 2 are 1012 all I've used is one click. no problems.
You can have a bootloop issue not a un recoverable brick. Go check the last few pages of the one click thread ... I described what to do when that happens. It's not a huge deal.

And this works for I897 ? Couldn't find ur post in the thread. There seem to be hundreds of replies
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Cdub3 said:
I have two captivate I987's. Both are 2.2 and running firefly 3. On one phone I backed up stock froyo with nandroid via cwm. I also backed up the stock kernel via sgs kernel flasher. Can I take the nandroid bu and kernel bu from one phone, put it on my pc, compress to zip, then place in the sd card of the other phone and flash via cwm? Getting me back to stock 2.2?
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That won't work.
And I think you will run into issues with the efs directory if you try it. Your IMEI number will be converted to the IMEI of the other phone. What will AT&T do if two sims are logged on to the same IMEI phone? Don't know. There may be a way to backup everything but the efs directory, but if not, I'm guessing the phone will balk at restoring a backup with four images from one phone, and the efs image from a second phone.

Just used odin one click on my 1101 build. Worked perfectly, which is good, cuz I'm gonna return this thing soon. Since it worked once, with this build, it should work all the time now, right? (unless something else occurs, like bad connection, usb probs etc). If i flash 2.3 roms will it still work, or will the new boots screw it up. read some posts, but wondering if any of you have personal experiences.

Cdub3 said:
Just used odin one click on my 1101 build. Worked perfectly, which is good, cuz I'm gonna return this thing soon. Since it worked once, with this build, it should work all the time now, right? (unless something else occurs, like bad connection, usb probs etc). If i flash 2.3 roms will it still work, or will the new boots screw it up. read some posts, but wondering if any of you have personal experiences.
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I have a 1008 batch, so I can't speak about model issues, but I have used Odin One Click to flash back to stock JF6 (Eclair) from a 2.3.3 ROM. The new bootloaders should not create any adverse effects for your phone. Odin One Click will flash both bootloaders back to stock Eclair.

Android Market app missing

I have to take my daughter's Cappy in for a warranty exchange because of battery draining too fast. She was running Fasty 2.4 and had to go back to stock. I restored with the nandroid backup we created before. I may have screwed things up a bit because of restoring that way.
Although we got back to stock, none of her apps returned in the drawer, including Android Market. The only apps in the drawer are bloatware and superuser. CWM recovery is available. There is no My Files either. Did I miss a step in doing the nandroid restore? Hoping we can get her apps back. Really don't want to take the phone back with so much missing.
Thanks for any advice.
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Reflash stock. Don't restore the nandroid.

mrhaley30705 said:
Reflash stock. Don't restore the nandroid.
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+1. To elaborate a little bit, just use odin one click to flash back to stock eclair. Dont restore anything on it just take it back after you flash and make sure its all together. But if you want all this stuff on your new captivate that you will root and flash I would make backup to an external SD card using titanium backup.