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I am fairly new to rooting, but thanks to this great website and all your inputs I have learned so much over the past month.
I first rooted my G1 using the 1-click method which was great, but now my earpiece has blown I will be receiving a new handset next week. So I learned how to properly downgrade and install stock firmware for my old handset.
When I receive my new handset, I decided to take the plunge and root the traditional way for 2 reasons.. 1- to learn a different way and 2- its possible the security hole may be patched by then rendering the 1-click useless.
Anyway, after reading all the varying posts on how to downgrade/root/flash custom rom I am still left with a little confusion so hopefully someone can clear this up for me.
When actually rooting, I have seen methods to type various things in the telnet window, and another method to just rerun the .apk and select "protect root". What is the difference between these two methods? Do they both accomplish the same task of making a permanent root? One method actually said to download the JFreke rom to fix permissions to root, bo no other method mentioned that. Is that even necessary?
Also, I know that with Cyanogen Roms I do not really need to flash to "hard spl" if I decide to stay with cm roms, and cm recovery also allows the use of nandroid backup as well. The only other argument I have seen is that a hard spl would potentially allow someone to "unbrick" a bricked phone, but from everything I have read, most people have bricked trying to flash the hard spl.
If I am going to stay with cm roms, is there any real benefit to a hard spl other than increasing the brick chance? If I do upgrade the spl, am I correct that it would be done last, after a potential radio update (assuming my replacement handset does not come with the latest radio)?
Sorry for all the questions, and thanks in advance for your help.
This is the best guide I found.
I have done 4 phones using this method with only 2 minor differences.
1) I format the sd card using a microsd card reader instead of the phone.
2) when it says What To Do Now That You Have Root don't download any of the builds listed there, just download the latest cyan stable rom.
This is the guide hehe forgot to link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=442480
Oh and don't worry about swap or apps2sd partitions until after you root and verify that the rom is working with no problems, this will limit the number of variables in case you have troubles.
Thanks for the input.
So do you install hard spl according to that guide or do you skip that and just install the cm rom?
I love the auto apps2sd of cm roms. My phone is currently back on stock cupcake and I miss having all my apps on my 500mb ext 3 partition!
yea you need HardSPL. and use the recovery linked in the guide. Install cyan's recovery later.
This to me is the easiest step by step visual rooting process have done 3 G1 with full success. The newest G1 I had would not let me do the 1 click rooting method.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOo2V9qCauc&feature=related
maybeoneday said:
This to me is the easiest step by step visual rooting process have done 3 G1 with full success. The newest G1 I had would not let me do the 1 click rooting method.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOo2V9qCauc&feature=related
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Yeah I figured the new handset would most likely be patched. What was the result when you tried the 1-click. Would the new phone just not let you install the 1-click apk?
One thing I might add is you can't brick your phone by flashing Hardspl. It's the "danger" spl that has the potential of bricking your phone. Just follow the traditional guide that fingerlickin provided and your good to go.
Thanks for the help!
Anytime.......
Nope sure wouldn't just kept telling me install aborted. I don't no why. It could be some kind of patch. But I went to old faithfull step by step you tube install. Its really a nice video. You can pause the video and root your phone right along with guy doing the video. he also gives you links on the side bar to all files needed in the rooting process.
oh I'm sorry, I actually have one more question.
After flashing the HardSPl, would there ever be a reason to revert back to the original g1 spl? For instance if I had to send a phone back to t-mo, would they know that I am using the hardspl if all I did was reload the dreaimg.rbh rc-29 downgrade, or does that also reflash the spl back to the original?
Yes you would want to unroot phone before sending it to Tmobile, they do not warrenty a rooted phone
Unrooting
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=491350
dcorrea said:
oh I'm sorry, I actually have one more question.
After flashing the HardSPl, would there ever be a reason to revert back to the original g1 spl? For instance if I had to send a phone back to t-mo, would they know that I am using the hardspl if all I did was reload the dreaimg.rbh rc-29 downgrade, or does that also reflash the spl back to the original?
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You shouldn't ever have to go back. T-mo would prolly never check it. Many people have sent there phones in with root access and different things installed. But if you do get paranoid and ever have to do it, just flash RC29 and it will put everything back to stock.
maybeoneday said:
Yes you would want to unroot phone before sending it to Tmobile, they do not warrenty a rooted phone
Unrooting
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=491350
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I turned my phone in with root access and custom splash screen and they didn't say anything. You don't want to make it known that you have done anything to it, but they won't check. When they are sent in they just hook it up with jtag and reflash everything.
supremeteam256 said:
You shouldn't ever have to go back. T-mo would prolly never check it. Many people have sent there phones in with root access and different things installed. But if you do get paranoid and ever have to do it, just flash RC29 and it will put everything back to stock.
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Ok thanks that is what I figured. I actually just unrooted my phone yesterday from cyanogens rom, but I never flashed the SPL (did the 1-click thing originally), but now that I am going to do the original method I wanted to be sure.
I can't wait for my replacement phone to get here next week, because using the stock cupcake rom sux!
Anyway, thanks to everyone who gave their input and helped me learn even more about the process! You all rock!
supremeteam256 said:
I turned my phone in with root access and custom splash screen and they didn't say anything. You don't want to make it known that you have done anything to it, but they won't check. When they are sent in they just hook it up with jtag and reflash everything.
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Really, thats music to my ears. I have often thought it would be a pain if something broke on the phone and I had to try to unroot it before I sent it in. uhhhh like a bricked phone
I work in an electronics repair company and I agree with supremeteam256 about sending your phone in rooted. Our techs don't check for tampering, they just plug it in and use the programs my department writes to test and reflash the devices. Of course our devices are much more complicated but the same NON-Communication between customer service and technicians still exist.
I think the biggest reason for this is because the techs just aren't interested in explaining the technical details to a customer service rep because all they ever get is "huh? wtf is a bootloader?"
Disclaimer:
I'm not claiming that HTC or TMobile will not check or notice that you have rooted your phone. Just illustrating that the repair techs don't want to talk to customer service anymore than you do and would rather just fix the phone and move on to the next one.
Fingerlickin said:
I work in an electronics repair company and I agree with supremeteam256 about sending your phone in rooted. Our techs don't check for tampering, they just plug it in and use the programs my department writes to test and reflash the devices. Of course our devices are much more complicated but the same NON-Communication between customer service and technicians still exist.
I think the biggest reason for this is because the techs just aren't interested in explaining the technical details to a customer service rep because all they ever get is "huh? wtf is a bootloader?"
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Nice breakdown.
I need to update my g1, but my home and call buttons are not working. I tried resetting my phone as well (I need to sell it and need to take out my personal info) but it wont reset with cyanogen mod. Without my home button working I can access the installer either. Is it possible to install it from terminal emulator?
do you have adb set up on your computer? what exactly are you trying to do? and yes, just to be an ass, this is in the wrong section... there now no one else can tell you and hopefully you wont get flamed...
zboost300 said:
I need to update my g1, but my home and call buttons are not working. I tried resetting my phone as well (I need to sell it and need to take out my personal info) but it wont reset with cyanogen mod. Without my home button working I can access the installer either. Is it possible to install it from terminal emulator?
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Hopefully you still have warranty? If you do, call Tmobile to send you a new phone.
mackster248 said:
Hopefully you still have warranty? If you do, call Tmobile to send you a new phone.
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he will have to unroot first though...
Why dont the buttons work? How can you sell it if the buttons dont work on it? I agree, they will not honor the warranty if it has custom software on it.
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oshizzle1991 said:
he will have to unroot first though...
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this is not true
JackD3ath said:
Why dont the buttons work? How can you sell it if the buttons dont work on it? I agree, they will not honor the warranty if it has custom software on it.
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got wet, I can sell it for parts i guess on ebay. people still buy them like that. I tried setting up adb, but no avail.
just go to settings>sdcard phone storage>factory reset from there...and the only voided warranty from rooting is the software not hardware. But I guess it would be hard to prove that the phone isn't damaged cause of rooting...
mt3g said:
just go to settings>sdcard phone storage>factory reset from there...and the only voided warranty from rooting is the software not hardware. But I guess it would be hard to prove that the phone isn't damaged cause of rooting...
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i tried that, but it didnt do anything
Can't you download Quick Boot from the market? I don't really understand the scenario here, but if you need to get into recovery or bootloader mode that will do the job..
I'll give you £25 for it
Can't you get into bootloader by typing reboot-bootloader in the terminal? SU needed of course.
Moved as not Android Development.
if you want to send it in, it will have to be unrooted first. that is coming from my experiences will t-mobile. and what tutorial did you use to set up adb? i suggest using this one here
http://forums.t-mobile.com/t5/Opera...-need-to-modify-your-Android-phone/m-p/173248
just scroll down for the "how to install ADB on XP/VISTA link, and click it. it is a very detailed tutorial, and very easy to use. good luck!
Eclair~ said:
Can't you download Quick Boot from the market? I don't really understand the scenario here, but if you need to get into recovery or bootloader mode that will do the job..
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awsome, got it to the recovery, but I can't wipe or update since I can't "confirm" by pressing the home button... this sucks.
OK, I finally fixed adb and have acces to the phone.... What command can I type in to flash or wipe everything and basically return the phone to normal? (without all my info on it?) I tried fastboot -w but im not sure it works.
use an older recovery...
JF original or Cyan original dont need home to confirm
if you searched the forum
I answered this same thing like a week ago...
SAME EXACT QUESTION
junkdruggler said:
use an older recovery...
JF original or Cyan original dont need home to confirm
if you searched the forum
I answered this same thing like a week ago...
SAME EXACT QUESTION
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I'm sorry for the late reply if this problem isn't already solved, flash an older version of that room you're using. Then if you want, flash back to the new one. WOrked for me.
Yes, you read correct, I want to hard brick my phone not unbrick it but at the same time not leave traces of evidence of tampering. An unusual request it may be, but I have tried everything but just cannot get the damn thing to brick. I wanted to brick it and then experiment on possible ways to unbrick it. And then if all failed, I was going to send it back to Samsung to see if they find any traces of deliberate tampering. Come on geniuses...I know you're out there somewhere
Rom manager flash the wong recovery fr other devce
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DeadSp1d3r said:
Rom manager flash the wong recovery fr other devce
Sent from my GT-S5830 using xda premium
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+10000000 it's so easy
Thanks. Just downloading a Rom for the S5830i to try out. Wouldn't you be able to re-flash the correct rom this way and get it to work again? Also if it does brick this way, would it leave traces when Sammy Techs investigate?
Gizmotech said:
Thanks. Just downloading a Rom for the S5830i to try out. Wouldn't you be able to re-flash the correct rom this way and get it to work again? Also if it does brick this way, would it leave traces when Sammy Techs investigate?
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if you use rom manager samsung will not find out anything
if you flash other devices rom like acei on ace then it might brick but not for 100% sure but there is lots and lots of change that it will brick since it uses other flash scripts and binarys
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Yes, you read correct, I want to hard brick my phone not unbrick it but at the same time not leave traces of evidence of tampering. An unusual request it may be, but I have tried everything but just cannot get the damn thing to brick. I wanted to brick it and then experiment on possible ways to unbrick it. And then if all failed, I was going to send it back to Samsung to see if they find any traces of deliberate tampering. Come on geniuses...I know you're out there somewhere
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Just download a galaxy s3 ROM and kernel...bricked right there.
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Ok Just tried to load up the firmware file for a Ace Plus on odin 4.38 but it wont accept it and comes back with "out of memory" error on the PC screen. Will try Rom Manager.
Bingo! Bricked it. I take it there's no way that I can attempt to revive it? Also I hope there is no traces of CWM Rom Manager, Superuser or Busybox
I don't know about the traces. But the only way to revive it is JTAG or replacement motherboard.
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Next time, I'd rather make a backup in CWM and then restore it from another Recovery. What this does is delete the boot.img, so now your phone can't do anything and Samsung can't get any logs etc. from the device.
Also REMEMBER! Play dumb when taking it to the Samsung store! Don't mention Roms etc..
PulseDroid said:
Next time, I'd rather make a backup in CWM and then restore it from another Recovery. What this does is delete the boot.img, so now your phone can't do anything and Samsung can't get any logs etc. from the device.
Also REMEMBER! Play dumb when taking it to the Samsung store! Don't mention Roms etc..
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Or rename a text file to boot.img and flash it as a ROM. This gives a totally faulty ROM.
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Thanks guys, gonna give it in to service today and will keep you guys updated. I like the above method as it definitely would not leave traces of CWM, Superuser or Busybox. Duh, why didn't I think of that:silly: but too late now. maybe next time or someone else.
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Thanks guys, gonna give it in to service today and will keep you guys updated. I like the above method as it definitely would not leave traces of CWM, Superuser or Busybox. Duh, why didn't I think of that:silly: but too late now. maybe next time or someone else.
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Do you not ever think there is someone in samsung softwere development reading this...
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Best way to hardbrick your phone is to use rom manager
I got transformed into a potato while writing this post
athe_s said:
Do you not ever think there is someone in samsung softwere development reading this...
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I do. That's the good thing about having a screen-name
Updates!!!
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Thanks guys, gonna give it in to service today and will keep you guys updated.
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Any updates dude?
Wow. No wonder phone manufacturer doesn't honor warranty nowadays.
Seriously if u want to do such scam u should do it quietly without creating thread asking howto do so.
This is nice.... You can brick your phone in the last month of you year warranty and get a new phone/motherboard
Once my friends phone switched off suddenly... Non rooted stock
It happened suddenly and also out of warranty
She had to pay 5k to the Samsung people to get it repaired... And the plus point she got 14GB internal memory with the new motherboard
Her phone was the Samsung galaxy S i9000
it would've been done in free if she had warranty
So maybe you might get the GT S5830i.. The new version mother board or something
Best of luck
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Yes, you read correct, I want to hard brick my phone not unbrick it but at the same time not leave traces of evidence of tampering. An unusual request it may be, but I have tried everything but just cannot get the damn thing to brick. I wanted to brick it and then experiment on possible ways to unbrick it. And then if all failed, I was going to send it back to Samsung to see if they find any traces of deliberate tampering. Come on geniuses...I know you're out there somewhere
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ohh !!!! so easy !!! install rom manager... 100% sure samsung won't find out what went worng with your ace ...
ysrini said:
Any updates dude?
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Yes, the phone was repaired. They apparently replaced the motherboard.
an0nym0us_ said:
Wow. No wonder phone manufacturer doesn't honor warranty nowadays.
Seriously if u want to do such scam u should do it quietly without creating thread asking howto do so.
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I would have done it quietly if I didn't need the help. Duh! Besides, I doubt this is the reason why they don't honour warranty. I think it is more to do with that they are greedy corporate companies who would rather save at any cost irrespective of whose fault it is. I mean why should they penalise someone because of something someone else done? After all you are all paying customers. They scam people everyday and no one complains. I guess people only complain when it happens to them. You can buy a new phone and have it go faulty within 2 months. Do you think you can get a new phone under warranty from them? No it will be a refurbished one and doesn't mater how much you scream and shout for a new one, they don't care. A neither do I.
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So maybe you might get the GT S5830i.. The new version mother board or something
Best of luck
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No, I think it is the same motherboard. What I don't understand is, whether it is the same motherboard they repaired or a replacement one, as this phone was initially locked to the Three network. I had it unlocked. So a new motherboard would have meant that the phone would be locked again. But when I received it back, it would still accept any sims.
Hello,
I followed this thread to root my phone. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2186368
Then i installed this custom recovery http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2187363
Then i wanted to overclock using this kernel http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2172888
But my phone need's unlocked bootloader in order to do this. (and i don't want to unlock it)
Any kernel that allow overclock with locked bootloader ?
Thanks
Im afraid not,AFAIK there is only one kernel that allows overclocking,and that is the DoomKernel by the awesome DoomLord
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Then i'll wait a way to unlock bootloader without loosing warrantly thanks
Poustic said:
Then i'll wait a way to unlock bootloader without loosing warrantly thanks
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You will be waiting for a looong time. No one has managed to get the DRM keys back after relocking the bootloader.
Poustic said:
Then i'll wait a way to unlock bootloader without loosing warrantly thanks
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You may actually want to have a good read of the terms and conditions of the Sony website for unlocking. It doesn't specifically mention that it breaks your warranty. It states that if your phone is send back for repair, it has to be on stock firmware. IF you are unable to do this they will charge you a service fee to have a technician repair the software (I'm guessing J-tagging or something more professional?). They do mention the fee for that was expensive. So basically if say for example you permanently lost radio (signal) because of a hardware issue that you in no way caused by flashing some ROM or tweak that messes with the drivers for that, it should be fine. It's a hardware thing - you didn't cause it. If you hardbrick your device and they have to bring it back from the dead, they'll charge you. If you overclock it like a mofo and burn out the CPU they will likely charge you for the initial software flash and charge you again for either repair/replacement of the logic board or complete phone.
That's the gist of it from memory. There may of course be some little clause or something that they could get out of it if they wanted that I skimmed too quickly, but you'd probably find if it's a genuine problem from them they would repair it. If you'd clearly messed with it and stuffed it, they wouldn't. Sounds like a normal warranty to me
EDIT: just had a quick gander at it again and here we go "Please note that you may void the warranty of your device and/or any warranty from your operator if you unlock the boot loader". I think the key word from that would be "may".
and also " In addition, if you brick the device, it is your own responsibility. " The same thing could be said with a locked bootloader and you stuffed something up trying to root it or hack it in some other way.
ROMAur allows to to change the cpu speed, how well this works is another thing. I have heard somewhere that there is some type of throttling within the standard kernel which still prevents the phone reaching the full potential, but custom kernel gets around this.
I have rechecked this and they have removed the overclock in the downloadable version
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I have rechecked this and they have removed the overclock in the downloadable version
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So where i can get the overclock version please ? Cause in the official thread look's like it was removed indeed http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2167064
Poustic said:
So where i can get the overclock version please ? Cause in the official thread look's like it was removed indeed http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2167064
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I will have a look to see if I still have that version
Thank you i wonder why they removed it :silly:
Poustic said:
Thank you i wonder why they removed it :silly:
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Probably because it didn't work properly, I have had a look and just cleaned those up about 5 days ago, on all my devices
Hi can anyone help me out here!! my phones gos keeps having issues. i want to do a warranty claim but not sure where or how to do it. like is there a website or what do i need to do. then some forward thinking once i get that figured out. how can i unroot my phone but it all back to stock so there is no custom rom on it.
thanks
Try searching for back to stock. and call 611
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Try searching for back to stock. and call 611
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ok i will see what i can find has any one done this?
it depends on what you are running but i can be done so long as your not on KK