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Hey Guys!!!
Ive been a Winmo user for a very long time now and currently using an Htc HD2,
I have been offered the chance to trade my phone with an unlocked Nexus One running a 2.2 Froyo,but the deal is i dont have enough knowledge on Androids.
I can manage myself with all winmo devices like flashing roms,games ,apps etc.
Is the Android OS the same?what adjustment will i face?
gejenn said:
Hey Guys!!!
Ive been a Winmo user for a very long time now and currently using an Htc HD2,
I have been offered the chance to trade my phone with an unlocked Nexus One running a 2.2 Froyo,but the deal is i dont have enough knowledge on Androids.
I can manage myself with all winmo devices like flashing roms,games ,apps etc.
Is the Android OS the same?what adjustment will i face?
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Just one adjustment, similar to adjusting from a village hole-in-ground toilet to a 5-star penthouse restroom with a built-in hooker.
Yeah. You'll learn to endure it.
If you want to try Android you can just try the port for the HD2
An even trade??? You're the winner with that trade. WinMo is junk compared to. Android 2.2.
Sent from my Nexus One
xPatriicK said:
If you want to try Android you can just try the port for the HD2
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Thats what im waiting for also,its not an even trade,its my hd2 plus $200 cash.
maybe soon the hd2 will have the stable android OS from the developers here.
I was in a simular boat, and found Android an easy progressive fun transition! Tons of support threads here, so go for it and never look back!
There is a learning curve that's for sure. but you should go on with this trade while this person is still on drugs.
I used WinMo for a long time before Android although I think starting Android as soon as it launched eased the curve but you wont regret it, words can't express how much more fun, faster, more stable and ultimately easier Android is to use than WinMo.
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HD2 AND $200? I dunno about that.. see if you can haggle it down some.
Well I was in the same position as the OP. I built my own custom roms for WinMo and had an extensive knowledge about hacking them....
Then I came to Android
Now I don't have to. Vanilla Android on the Nexus One is just simply amazing. I never get fustrated waiting for it to open an app or wish it did something differently. I've unlocked the bootloader on my old phone and did the SD Card Trick on my new one to gain root access and play around with custom roms... but the kicker is I like the Stock OS the best.
Right now I am running a "custom" stock firmware which is rooted and uses a black taskbar theme... but it doesn't contain any extra apps or features.
I can't scream loud enough to express how I feel for the awesomeness of Android. The OS is a dream. Customizable to no end. Very easy to replace default dialers, messaging apps, facebook apps, launchers, etc. I know a few friends with N1's and they all look completely different. I love it.
I've used Windows Mobile all the way from 2002, popped in on Blackberries from time to time, Symbian, and touched the iPhone long enough to realize it sucks.... but Android is just amazing. I couldn't recommend any other OS. Even my non-techie wife has her Android all tricked out. Its just easy to do.
2.2 brings in full fucntionality with exchange support, making it a viable alternative to winmo for enterprise users. If you are a power user, now is the time to convert.
I've owned WinMo and iPhone previously. People always compare Android to the latter. But Android really reminds me of what WinMo could have been if Microsoft had a clue. I think you will adjust without a problem. Go for it!
bigmout said:
Android really reminds me of what WinMo could have been if Microsoft had a clue. I think you will adjust without a problem. Go for it!
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x2 - always how I've felt about it. I switched from winmo to android, N1 being my first device. You won't look back, and with windows mobile 7 looking the way it is, I doubt you'll be wanting to jump back in their bed anytime soon.
Go for it without any hesitations. They are not even comparable. You are about to trade Zaporozhets for an Audi. You will not look back.
bpm2000 said:
x2 - always how I've felt about it. I switched from winmo to android, N1 being my first device. You won't look back, and with windows mobile 7 looking the way it is, I doubt you'll be wanting to jump back in their bed anytime soon.
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+1. N1 was my first android as well
lilchip85 said:
+1. N1 was my first android as well
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Mine too, best choice I have ever made!
I say stick with winmo 6.5.
Far superior.
JCopernicus said:
I say stick with winmo 6.5.
Far superior.
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Do you do anything except troll?
You get three guesses as to who I'm refering to!
khaytsus said:
Do you do anything except troll?
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Yes, I point out people who have no sense of humor.
Do it. Make the switch. I did. Will never go back.
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Im planning on customizing my new I9000, any tips for a noobie?
I had been reading a lot of posts here but it kinda made a little bit confused on where to start...
Thanks in advance for all the help guys!!!
customizing what? kernel ?
Hey there,
I got mine about 4 days back and after trying almost all the launchers available, IMHO, the Launcher Pro seems to be the best. I'm still trying all alternatives, but so far I have found nothing that compares with LP.
Do give their free version a try.
Cheers.
Sent from my GT-I9000 using XDA App
Thanks for replying guys, any more tips/advice?
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customizing what? kernel ?
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That's exactly my point, i don't know what to do first, is it like rooting the phone? But i would like to keep some default apps in the phone to stay but totally change the UI...
skiddhard said:
Hey there,
I got mine about 4 days back and after trying almost all the launchers available, IMHO, the Launcher Pro seems to be the best. I'm still trying all alternatives, but so far I have found nothing that compares with LP.
Do give their free version a try.
Cheers.
Sent from my GT-I9000 using XDA App
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Yeah, Launcher Pro seems to be like a great alternative to TouchWiz...
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Yeah, Launcher Pro seems to be like a great alternative to TouchWiz...
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To your earlier post, none of the launchers need your phone to be rooted or require a custom firmware (thank god for the sake of all noobs ).
On that rooting note, I am still trying to figure out the obvious and apparent advantages of rooting. Had an iPhone from the 2g all the way till the 3gs. It had the jailbreak and the unlock. Is rooting the same as jailbreaking in terms of functionality??
As a side note, see if you can give WidgetLocker a look. The stock Galaxy S lockscreen is boring and too plain for my liking at least. WidgetLocker allows you to put your widgets and icons right on the lockscreen.
Cheers....
skiddhard said:
To your earlier post, none of the launchers need your phone to be rooted or require a custom firmware (thank god for the sake of all noobs ).
On that rooting note, I am still trying to figure out the obvious and apparent advantages of rooting. Had an iPhone from the 2g all the way till the 3gs. It had the jailbreak and the unlock. Is rooting the same as jailbreaking in terms of functionality??
As a side note, see if you can give WidgetLocker a look. The stock Galaxy S lockscreen is boring and too plain for my liking at least. WidgetLocker allows you to put your widgets and icons right on the lockscreen.
Cheers....
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Thanks, great advice there! As for the rooting thing, well I heard they did some custom firmware that fixes the slight lagging thingy. I have had slight lagging when i listen to music and watch movies.. btw my firmware is JG2 (though it says in the Kies that it cannot be further upgraded, i doubt its the latest).
spandsbab said:
Thanks, great advice there! As for the rooting thing, well I heard they did some custom firmware that fixes the slight lagging thingy. I have had slight lagging when i listen to music and watch movies.. btw my firmware is JG2 (though it says in the Kies that it cannot be further upgraded, i doubt its the latest).
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Most welcome.
As for the updates, there are different versions available for different regions. For me in India the upgrade available was JG4. Mine was JG2 out of the box. The new version (JG4) has an inbuilt task manager and a little better performance than the JG2. It fixes a few performance issues from what I have read.
Not really sure how it works, but if you could cheat your system in believing you are in a different location (say India, for eg), perhaps you can get that update too. But do check if its safe pulling off a stunt like that. Check if the phone and the carrier like this at all.
Cheers....
skiddhard said:
Most welcome.
As for the updates, there are different versions available for different regions. For me in India the upgrade available was JG4. Mine was JG2 out of the box. The new version (JG4) has an inbuilt task manager and a little better performance than the JG2. It fixes a few performance issues from what I have read.
Not really sure how it works, but if you could cheat your system in believing you are in a different location (say India, for eg), perhaps you can get that update too. But do check if its safe pulling off a stunt like that. Check if the phone and the carrier like this at all.
Cheers....
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I have read it somewhere here in XDA that you can actually do cheat your location and that it is kinda okay to do that but I think you have to root/flash your phone for that... that's the reason I kinda lean towards rooting the phone cause guys here do faster and better job at fixing issues with the phone than Samsung...
spandsbab said:
I have read it somewhere here in XDA that you can actually do cheat your location and that it is kinda okay to do that but I think you have to root/flash your phone for that... that's the reason I kinda lean towards rooting the phone cause guys here do faster and better job at fixing issues with the phone than Samsung...
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Been doing some reading on the same thing too. The damn iPhone got me so used to jailbreaking, it seems NOT rooting the android is no fun at all....
Here are a couple of links to get you started I suppose.
/showthread.php?t=746129
/showthread.php?t=739300
Will be using them tonight for myself too. In the mean while, if you get an head start over me, best of luck....
Cheers....
P.S.: The XDA system is not allowing me to enter the complete links. A spam protection mechanism of some kind it seems.
skiddhard said:
Been doing some reading on the same thing too. The damn iPhone got me so used to jailbreaking, it seems NOT rooting the android is no fun at all....
Here are a couple of links to get you started I suppose.
/showthread.php?t=746129
/showthread.php?t=739300
Will be using them tonight for myself too. In the mean while, if you get an head start over me, best of luck....
Cheers....
P.S.: The XDA system is not allowing me to enter the complete links. A spam protection mechanism of some kind it seems.
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Yeah, rooting seems to be a lot more fun as i like tinkering a lot (my PC at work was my first victim). Anyway as soon as i get my wi-fi going (hopefully this week) i'm gonna to PM you, thanks bro!
It's only a little like jailbreaking an iPhone, because one of the main advantages of jailbreaking is getting access to apps that Apple wouldn't approve, and Google don't do that. Features that you had to jailbreak for, like multitasking and a deeper level of customisation, are standard in Android.
It's only really needed on Android for low-level manipulation of the system, like installing lag fixes, using backup programs like Titanium Backup, or tweaks like changing the CPU speed settings in SetCPU. I expect that most Android users would be happy never rooting, but most people here are, being either developers or interested in that low-level customisation.
Luckily, the Galaxy S is very easy to root! There's very little security against that (basically none in 2.1 builds), which is quite unlike a lot of other phones, some of which can require quite arcane methods exploiting obscure security holes.
Mithent said:
It's only a little like jailbreaking an iPhone, because one of the main advantages of jailbreaking is getting access to apps that Apple wouldn't approve, and Google don't do that. Features that you had to jailbreak for, like multitasking and a deeper level of customisation, are standard in Android.
It's only really needed on Android for low-level manipulation of the system, like installing lag fixes, using backup programs like Titanium Backup, or tweaks like changing the CPU speed settings in SetCPU. I expect that most Android users would be happy never rooting, but most people here are, being either developers or interested in that low-level customisation.
Luckily, the Galaxy S is very easy to root! There's very little security against that (basically none in 2.1 builds), which is quite unlike a lot of other phones, some of which can require quite arcane methods exploiting obscure security holes.
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I still get lag with I9000 (especially during music and video playing) though very minimal. I would like to try to just change the UI as I feel it still needs work on. Though, my question is can I still get the Froyo update with custom firmware?
As a new android user I have one suggestion for you:
Spend a lot of time reading about all the things you find on this forum and play with your phone a lot
I did not know anything about android or the phone itself (apart from tech specs and a few things I saw on hands on videos and reviews) till I signed up here. I've read a lot here that made me understand how my phone works.
Atm I'm using LauncherPro and my SGS is rooted and running JM5 firmware. If you read related articles you will find that unrooting your phone and restoring it to your stock firmware is fairly easy.
I have been installing, testing and keeping or uninstalling loads of apps. Some of them people have recommended here (like Titanium Backup) and some I just was curious about (like Unified Remote). So I would say browse the market or other onilne sources and experiment with new apps.
I even feel comfortable now to use adb to pull system files from the phone and see what's in them and if there's room for customisation.
Even been reading a bit about Java fgs
Fireloon said:
As a new android user I have one suggestion for you:
Spend a lot of time reading about all the things you find on this forum and play with your phone a lot
I did not know anything about android or the phone itself (apart from tech specs and a few things I saw on hands on videos and reviews) till I signed up here. I've read a lot here that made me understand how my phone works.
Atm I'm using LauncherPro and my SGS is rooted and running JM5 firmware. If you read related articles you will find that unrooting your phone and restoring it to your stock firmware is fairly easy.
I have been installing, testing and keeping or uninstalling loads of apps. Some of them people have recommended here (like Titanium Backup) and some I just was curious about (like Unified Remote). So I would say browse the market or other onilne sources and experiment with new apps.
I even feel comfortable now to use adb to pull system files from the phone and see what's in them and if there's room for customisation.
Even been reading a bit about Java fgs
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Yep two thumbs up for you! Well I have always felt I'm more of a Sith than a Jedi! Be stepping on the dark side soon too, thanks for the great advice and Ima doing it!
Ive been seriously looking at the WP7 series and I'm curious to hear from real-world users who have been in the same boat as me. I've been an Android person for the past year now and as much as I like Android, I like to keep my options open too!
So tell me - why did YOU switch from Android to WP7 and would you do it again if you had the chance ?
I've been playing with WP7, mostly to see what "the other side" has been up to. I've had WinCE devices going back to the 1.x days, and always loved it, but trying to cram a desktop OS into a hand-held device always seemed awkward.
I got an iPhone and loved it for a couple of years, but got handed a G1 and fell in love with the potential that Android represented. It wasn't quite "there" yet, so I switched back and forth from Android to iOS and back for a good year before settling full-time with Android on my Nexus One.
Now I've got a Nexus-S and I love it, but I was able to play with a WP7 device in the form of the HD7, and I really like it, however...
Coming from Android, Google's services, search, GMail, and Maps, are so much better in ability than Bing, Hotmail, and Bing Maps that I missed my Nexus S. I love the user-interface of WP7, and hope that it evolves a bit more.
WP7's approach to real-time usability is great. Apps are smooth and clean, and much less jerky than Android apps seem to be at times. The OS seems well suited to doing one thing at a time, really well. I wish Android was better at maintaining higher priority for foreground apps, instead of making things choppy with garbage-collection.
If you have a chance to wait until the January (now February) update happens, I would. Things could get much better for WP7 very soon, but who knows? I'm keeping my options open.
the biggest disappointment is in Bing and Zune services. Since their not available in Ireland. The prolonged wait for update kinda adds up too
Though otherwise than that its all ok
I had a HD2 with Android and reason why i sold it because once i played with WP7 i felt that Androids UI was so boring.
Games on WP7 are much better too than Android. Alot of devs from iPhone have hopped aboard.
Anyone else? This is good stuff! Keep it coming!
I still use my android from day to day. They se the best overall in terms of a combination of things such as features and useability. Tho WP7 has a slick UI its missing things like the gmail intergration and Google maps, but it has a music client that's not as good as iTunes. Then there is iOS, its great, easy to use, simple, and reliable, at the end of the day that's what makes IOS sell, just like variety is what makes android sell. For WP7 to catch up they need to release a groundbreaker, something that blows the competition away spec wise. I played with a Samsung WP7 At att the other day while stopping in to see an old friend, windows on a phone has came a long way since WinMo6.5. I will say that. It just depends on what u want at the end of the day
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I think you should check this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=900747
i move to wp7, because i simple hates its lag and UI..
I've been an Android user since the G1 days and this may sound stupid, but the main reasons i switched is because Android is FAR too customizable. To some, that can be a bad thing. I found myself changing themes, layouts, icon sets, etc.. way more than i should, which took up far too much time in my day. I never really had a feeling of satisfaction with Android. Thats the first thing. The second thing is the force closures and the occasional lag (I came from a G2 so it definitely wasn't my device) Android is an awesome platform, however, I still feel like its something Google just slapped together, even if thats not the case. the third thing is its lack of consistency. like i said earlier, i customized my ROMs a lot. My home screens, icon sets, fonts, and launcher theme all were consistent. Then when you open an app (the dialer for example) its a whole different look. This may not bother some people but it bothered me quite a bit and im sure im not the only one. Im not saying WP7 is perfect because its far from that. BUT i love the consistency throughout the platform, even when you download apps from the market, most of them seem to follow that metro UI interface. the fact that its customization is limited to tile placement and color gives me a sense of satisfaction knowing that there is no other way you could have it, which means less time trying to get it the way you want it. I also love the smoothness as well. the fact that it does not support multi tasking has yet to bother me as I never really do more than one thing on my phone anyway. I am, however, frustrated with the lack of copy/paste (which will be fixed soon) and lets not forget the dreadful marketplace which locks up randomly causing users to reboot. I also am disappointed in Bing maps. i would much rather prefer to use Google maps. its just easier. The only thing i can truly say i miss from Android is the WIFI calling. I spend most of my time in my basement. I hardly get signal except for one corner. at the end of the day, i am happier with WP7 because of its simplicity, performance, and ease of use as well as its "polished" feel.
Nissan350 said:
I've been an Android user since the G1 days and this may sound stupid, but the main reasons i switched is because Android is FAR too customizable. To some, that can be a bad thing. I found myself changing themes, layouts, icon sets, etc.. way more than i should, which took up far too much time in my day.
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I'm glad I am not the only one who actually finds that Android is TOO customizable. I find myself spending hours each day fiddling with it!
JWhipple said:
I'm glad I am not the only one who actually finds that Android is TOO customizable. I find myself spending hours each day fiddling with it!
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Lol, I'm glad you can see where I'm coming from
irispen said:
I think you should check this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=900747
i move to wp7, because i simple hates its lag and UI..
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me same like u.been use nexus one for a year.tired about android.but maybe will switch back to android again who know..
Nissan350 said:
...the third thing is its lack of consistency. like i said earlier, i customized my ROMs a lot. My home screens, icon sets, fonts, and launcher theme all were consistent. Then when you open an app (the dialer for example) its a whole different look. This may not bother some people but it bothered me quite a bit and im sure im not the only one...
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Okay, this is not directed toward you at all, but all of this sounds very familiar and it kinda explains a lot about what people's issues MIGHT be with WP7.
Everything you said is Windows Mobile all over again, and that is not a bad thing at all. I loved WM, and it's versatility IMO were what made it so great. So much about Android screams WM to me.
I come to these forums and I see people crying like little girls over and over about what WP7 doesn't do, have, etc and it just makes me feel like they want a super updated WM device. They want the absolute best of the best that WM has to offer... but they want it out of WP7. I see their issues, but this is a completely different device all together, and to ask it to be WM is kinda ignorant. So to those people I think they should run to Android and call it a day.
While I'm on this rant (and hella off-topic) I see a lot of short term memories when people start to cying about WP. It doesn't have this, and that like Android and ios. Wait a minute... everything you want, and they FINALLY have has been in WM for YEARS. None of this started with the new-booty competition. If MS didn't let me down with WM I doubt I'll be let down by WP7.. and so far I'm about as happy as I can be with a mobile device.
Once again, not directed toward you specifically, but you brought up some things that I've been thinking about.
Truer Words.
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Okay, this is not directed toward you at all, but all of this sounds very familiar and it kinda explains a lot about what people's issues MIGHT be with WP7.
Everything you said is Windows Mobile all over again, and that is not a bad thing at all. I loved WM, and it's versatility IMO were what made it so great. So much about Android screams WM to me.
I come to these forums and I see people crying like little girls over and over about what WP7 doesn't do, have, etc and it just makes me feel like they want a super updated WM device. They want the absolute best of the best that WM has to offer... but they want it out of WP7. I see their issues, but this is a completely different device all together, and to ask it to be WM is kinda ignorant. So to those people I think they should run to Android and call it a day.
While I'm on this rant (and hella off-topic) I see a lot of short term memories when people start to cying about WP. It doesn't have this, and that like Android and ios. Wait a minute... everything you want, and they FINALLY have has been in WM for YEARS. None of this started with the new-booty competition. If MS didn't let me down with WM I doubt I'll be let down by WP7.. and so far I'm about as happy as I can be with a mobile device.
Once again, not directed toward you specifically, but you brought up some things that I've been thinking about.
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Good points. I'm very happy with WP7 and it feels great to be off Android. The platform is still in its infancy and there is not a doubt in my mind that it will evolve and become even better than it already is. Of course, the evolution would just be added pluses.
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I've been an Android user since the G1 days and this may sound stupid, but the main reasons i switched is because Android is FAR too customizable. To some, that can be a bad thing. I found myself changing themes, layouts, icon sets, etc.. way more than i should, which took up far too much time in my day. I never really had a feeling of satisfaction with Android. Thats the first thing. The second thing is the force closures and the occasional lag (I came from a G2 so it definitely wasn't my device) Android is an awesome platform, however, I still feel like its something Google just slapped together, even if thats not the case. the third thing is its lack of consistency. like i said earlier, i customized my ROMs a lot. My home screens, icon sets, fonts, and launcher theme all were consistent. Then when you open an app (the dialer for example) its a whole different look. This may not bother some people but it bothered me quite a bit and im sure im not the only one. Im not saying WP7 is perfect because its far from that. BUT i love the consistency throughout the platform, even when you download apps from the market, most of them seem to follow that metro UI interface. the fact that its customization is limited to tile placement and color gives me a sense of satisfaction knowing that there is no other way you could have it, which means less time trying to get it the way you want it. I also love the smoothness as well. the fact that it does not support multi tasking has yet to bother me as I never really do more than one thing on my phone anyway. I am, however, frustrated with the lack of copy/paste (which will be fixed soon) and lets not forget the dreadful marketplace which locks up randomly causing users to reboot. I also am disappointed in Bing maps. i would much rather prefer to use Google maps. its just easier. The only thing i can truly say i miss from Android is the WIFI calling. I spend most of my time in my basement. I hardly get signal except for one corner. at the end of the day, i am happier with WP7 because of its simplicity, performance, and ease of use as well as its "polished" feel.
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couldnt have said it better myself
what ticked me off about android was the overall inconsistancy in both looks and performance, and until now that i own a wp7 device, i never understood by what ios and webos users said when they called it "clunky". now if i see what i saw in the honeycomb demo come in some way or form to smartphones (awesome graphical interface, ease of multitasking, and overall polish and consistantcy) i will come back in no time. but untill then, thanks to the mess that is software updates for android. the only one i would consider is a nexus device, and i dont plan on jumping through hoops to get one till i see the update and basic overhaul it needs. im perfectly happy with my hd7
JWhipple said:
Ive been seriously looking at the WP7 series and I'm curious to hear from real-world users who have been in the same boat as me. I've been an Android person for the past year now and as much as I like Android, I like to keep my options open too!
So tell me - why did YOU switch from Android to WP7 and would you do it again if you had the chance ?
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Been using Android for almost a year now..through work I'm getting newer Android and newer WP7 devices. It started with the Desire Z (G2) and the LG Optimus Quantum.
I don't care how pretty your OS is, there's no love for that phone. It's a piece of crap regular phone loaded with a smartphone OS. Absolute trash, my SIM sat in it for a day, and sadly because of the lack of usability on the device (size, build, LG..) I couldn't give WP7 a fair chance.
However, recently got the HD7 and a certain dual core device, and I can't make a decision. I personally love customization, so Android is literally endless and fresh to me. However, I'm a huge Hotmail supporter (GMail isn't that great, there's a reason Hotmail is still number 1 webmail worldwide..) and firmly believe the Email application built into WP7 (the Hotmail one) looks better, works better, and - for me - is better than the GMail app ever will be. It looks slick, it works well, it's pretty, etc.
With the HD7, it's actually a device that can showboat the features of the OS - however, there's only like..two. Office, and these boring tiles. Yes, it's simple, yes, it's easy, if I wanted that, I'd use a laptop and a normal phone. I want complicated, I want to be able to do everything, which is why I still use Android. At the same time, there's something refreshing about WP7 and the simplicity, but I find entirely too often I go to do something, grab the HD7, find it's not available or built in, sigh, and pull out my Android device.
Another huge slam on WP7 is this micro SD bull****. I can drag and drop anything on any Android device, you're telling me it's that hard to let people use external storage?
No, because I use a Macbook (primary booting OS X) with W7, I'm forced to use W7 because there's one incredibly ****ty option for Mac syncing. I'd rather have a cluttered ass SD card with dragged files than EVER use WMP as my "media hub" or whatever. I don't use iPhoto. I use iTunes for organization, but that's it. However, if I want ANYTHING on my WP7 device, I'm forced to use these stupid Apple applications (and a beta app from Microsoft) I deleted because of massive bloat just to transfer stuff? Ridiculous. Build a frigging mount into it or let us use SD cards.
Sorry. That's a massive, massive frustration for me.
Anyways, that's my take. Android and WP7 are not on the same level. I see WP7 as a high end regular phone, and Android as an actual smartphone. I'm sure this opinion could change depending on the expansion of the OS and the Marketplace, but right now, the OS is way too young and has a serious "polished, but unfinished" feel to it. WP7 could be good and I could use it regularly..in a few years. Not now. I'm going to continue giving WP7 a try, as there are things that are impressing me.
For example, Bing Maps is definitely not as feature rich as Google Maps, but holy hell does it lock well. GMaps is only good if you can get a damn GPS lock, and people can say "oh, it's usually fine" but after a year I have to yet to see the GPS work nearly as well in any ROM or OS on Android compared to WP7, so props to them for getting that right. The Email is really nice (as a consistent Hotmail user) texting is pretty bland, the Contacts or People or whatever is totally convoluted and unnecessary, I don't know how they managed to complicate something so simple. If I wanted to see facebook, I'd open it. I just want my damn contact list. Android has perfected this as far as I'm concerned, as it's "Person --- Phone button to call" and that's all there needs to be. You can click their contact card to get more information if need be.
The marketplace needs some work, definitely needs more sections like the Android Market (Communications - Free / Paid, Whatever - Free / Paid) as opposed to just Free EVERYTHING, or mixed paid / free in sections. I definitely don't think the Android Market is perfect, but it's definitely more usable than the Windows Marketplace.
Hmm.. Internet Explorer is really nice, it works surprisingly well for a browser I haven't even looked at in almost 10 years. I was pleasantly surprised, I was dreading that I couldn't use anything else, but Microsoft did a great job. It looks nice, it's not exactly feature rich, but it's snappy, clean, and responsive.
The music / videos app is alright, nothing special but not definitely usable and looks good.
The fact that MSN Messenger was NOT included in the OS completely deadpanned me, how the hell do you forget what was at one point your bread and butter? It would literally be like Google forgetting GTalk, it wouldn't happen. I don't like the MSN application that is available has to resume every time the phone sleeps, waste of a good 10 seconds. Facebook works fine.. Phone is fine, the simplicity gets in the way of speakerphone and stuff if you forget what little tab they're under, but whatever, it works.
Calendar is GREAT, I love the way it's set up, it looks really good.
Microsoft Office is amazing...works really well.
I think I covered everything? I know I kind of went off in some areas, but just my opinions..
Oh, I miss having an actual wallpaper. I don't care if I couldn't see 90% of it, better than just black. Maybe I have a special someone I'd like to see as my wallpaper for more than the half a second it takes me to unlock my phone. Oh well.
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No, because I use a Macbook (primary booting OS X) with W7, I'm forced to use W7 because there's one incredibly ****ty option for Mac syncing. I'd rather have a cluttered ass SD card with dragged files than EVER use WMP as my "media hub" or whatever. I don't use iPhoto. I use iTunes for organization, but that's it. However, if I want ANYTHING on my WP7 device, I'm forced to use these stupid Apple applications (and a beta app from Microsoft) I deleted because of massive bloat just to transfer stuff? Ridiculous. Build a frigging mount into it or let us use SD cards.
Sorry. That's a massive, massive frustration for me.
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Zune works well for media once you get the hang of it, and since you like your Live account so much, utilize the SkyDrive feature for cloud storage of documents. This second comment on this thread is a great idea for how to quickly access it...
http://social.answers.microsoft.com...7/thread/56adcec6-08ce-4d86-aa67-27dda1433fa0
Yes, access to the SD card would be nice. I suppose they're looking to cut down on support calls?
Android is not a phone; its a geeky toy
I bought an HTC Desire in August 2009. My HTC TyTN had just died and I couldn't wait for the late release of WP7. Android was such a disappointment. Market was unavailable in Sweden (it is open now), the UI looked disgustingly ugly and the whole experience was so much lower than descent. The only thing I really loved about Android was the notification system. I also have an iPhone so Android's notification system seemed totally like a blessing. Nevertheless Android just felt like another Google experiment. A geeky toy for Google lovers. I'm not a Google lover. Not because their products are so bad; They are bad, but I could forgive that. What I can't stand in Google is their daily bragging about their coolness all over the web while their products are actually years behind what they could really be had they cared about anything else than selling ads and hooking people onto their so called platform(s). So if I am to make a compromise on a product I am really more willing to compromise for Microsoft. Unlike newcomers like Google, Microsoft has proven over the years that they do have a vision about software and they do work on it. Google has no vision about the web other than dominance. They have a vision about advertising. My "vision" about advertising is that it is an old solution to an old problem which I'm not so sure will even exist for long in the so called "new economy". So I just sold my HTC Desire and bought an HTC HD7. I know that I will miss the WiFi tethering of my HTC Desire. Hopefully not for long. Like I said I can make a compromise for Microsoft but find it pointless to make a compromise for Google.
Android just felt cluttered to me. Yes, you can customize it as much as you want but personally I dislike the mess of widgets and icons. I was never happy with my home pages.
My phone doubles as my MP3 player and the WP7 audio playback is much better because of the HD7's sound enhancer. The sound equalizer I had on Android would only work on MP3s, not on other file types.
Pinch to zoom to WP7 is really really really good. Also the GPS on my HD7 finds my position significantly faster than my Android phone (would take several minutes to lock on). Bing maps really isn't bad so I don't know what the fuss is about. Sure there's no voice navigation, but I never used it when I had Android anyway.
Anyway my main reason for switching was that I hated being left behind while new phones are released with updates. Literally the way to upgrade with Android is to buy a new phone or root the phone. Problem with rooting is that each ROM has it's own little quirks and I didn't want to sacrifice functionality just to see a higher build number. IMO if you have to root in order to have the phone "work" then you're doing it wrong.
I do miss some things like the control panel and swype, but that's about it. So far so good.
I think from most of the posts above we can agree that WP7 is a clean functional minimal UI. And once the update comes in it will be one to brag about
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I love android, and I still own several Android Devices, and I've been using android since the G1. Android (like many have said before me) reminds me a lot of Windows Mobile (and I loved windows mobile).
Why I made the switch:
Well, not to offend anyone, but WP7 seems to be a more mature OS, not in terms of functionality, but in terms of it's minimalist approach.
It's like comparing:
A tricked out Honda: http://www.remarkablecars.com/main/honda/tricked-out-honda.jpg
and a Cadillac CTS-V Coupe: http://photos.leftlanenews.com/phot...mbnailsnew/me-cadillac-cts-v-coupe-09_620.jpg
It's probably faster, and more elegant, but less flashy, and less customizable.
Ultimately it's a matter of preference, personally I'd chose the Caddy
Everywhere where there's a discussion about Flash player it just gets over crowded by Apple fanbois or something because it suddenly gets overrun with hate on how crap Flash is. Yet I bet if they were allowed Flash Player on the iPhone and Android weren't (you can still manually install) then they'd be touting it as a feature. I just think what is wrong to have choice? Why must Operating Systems now become about being dictated how to use it and why features you like are bad? If you don't not like Flash Player then you do not have to use it or install it, I don't see how it impacts you and why you'd wish for people who like it not to have the option. MOD EDIT.
I've got a now dated Galaxy S2 and I'm using the last generic Gingerbread firmware for it and have no speed issues. I'm using this firmware because I do not like ICS or JB and that is ok, with Android I'm allowed the choice. I can run BBCiPlayer's desktop website which is Flash based on my phone and even streaming over HSPA+ with Three and I have no performance issues. I've never experienced Flash crashing any more than anything else on any phone, in fact I remember lots of stuff crashing on my old iPhone 4 which was meant to be so much better and more stable. Flash seems no more unstable than anything else, I think people just love to jump on the hate wagon. Obviously the Desktop Flash experience on a mobile is not the best when it comes to UI, however performance wise it works fine and I'm happy to have it.
When I had the iPhone 4 (my first smart phone) I bought it because it was praised as the best one at the time and everyone was singing its praises. However I became more and more aware of what I couldn't do with it as Apple didn't want me to. The one thing that bothered me was how many site apps I had to use to watch video content and even mobile sites. These sites are never good and I just want the Desktop option with Flash Player. Now I know this is still the case today as I try my friends iPad 2 and lots of the sites I want to visit like Youtube, BBCiPlayer and maybe some efukt for lols still use Flash, Youtube has made a leap to HTML5 but still lots of videos are Flash only. I don't know when HTML5 is meant to set the world on fire, Apple have been going on about it since as long as I can remember and it still hasn't become the standard. I just don't see why you wouldn't allow people just to install Flash Player so they can have the best experience.
I know Adobe have stopped support but that really is just don't to the resistance against it from Apple. I used to see loads of happy reviews on the Android marketplace for Flash Player, lots of people want it more than crazed fanbois. Also why not just have an advanced option on these modern Operation systems like Android where you can freely install stuff you want from a third party source? People who are clueless wont know about it and people who know what they're doing can just have a warning saying Warranty void or something and sorted.
I just want Flash Player, it has made the internet what it is today. I don't know what issues people have with it but I use it everyday and have done for many many years and relative to the stability of operations systems in their time, Flash has been no more unstable than anything else. I've not had Flash crash since I can remember on Windows, Chrome is a great platform for it at least, I dunno about other browsers. Android it's perfectly smooth too....
I just don't get the hate.
I also like flash very much, but it has been decided it will not be supported anymore, so it's ending. There are and will be better alternatives (I hope).
Flash is a dieing platform its very bloated and thus has never worked well on android.
The likes of HTML5 gives much better performance and being modular will be a ever expanding platform.
Its just how things happen the web is a ever changing platform and there's little flash can do that can tbe done better else where.
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Flash is a dieing platform its very bloated and thus has never worked well on android.
The likes of HTML5 gives much better performance and being modular will be a ever expanding platform.
Its just how things happen the web is a ever changing platform and there's little flash can do that can tbe done better else where.
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That is pretty much true. I will add my two cents.
1. Flash is proprietary. You have to buy tools and compiler to develop. What is more there is only one official flash player. Others were created thanks to reverse engineering and are not very good.
2. Flash is terribly optimized. What I mean is the compiled code is very inefficient.
3. Language. Who would like to learn and use ActionScript if there is mature and popular JavaScript?
Flash really shouldn't get hate. Why? It is completely optional. Turn off plugins from browser settings and you have a phone completely free of it. If your phone didnt came with it, and you downloaded it yourself, uninstall it and there!
So there really is no reason to hate on it so much
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I am a fan of flash.
A sad thing is that there is no moment in between - many services that rely on flash are not yet switched to html5.
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I am a fan of flash.
A sad thing is that there is no moment in between - many services that rely on flash are not yet switched to html5.
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+1. I still like flash a lot. As per growing trend, a lot of websites are now converting to HTML5 but it will be a while before flash becomes completely obsolete.
I don't know, I think the general hate towards the platform was started by Apple users who were mad that Android got flash but they never did. Sure, flash is a locked down platform, but so is Apple's ecosystem. HTML5 is supposed to be the open successor to flash, but for DRM purposes I see most content is still done with flash. A lot of the flash content we want to view on our phones is actually made for desktop users only, so there is no reason for site owners to want to switch to HTML5.
In my opinion flash was to the point where performance on mobile devices wasn't as much of an issue anymore. HD Youtube videos play in flash without noticeable frame loss on dual core devices. Device hardware had finally caught up to the point where it could render desktop based flash content without choking. Awkward interaction with flash elements in a mobile browser was fixed by a full screen option which works nicely.
Many people are misinformed as to why Adobe discontinued flash on mobile. It wasn't Apple or Google's fault, Adobe simply decided to stop focusing on flash for mobile and to move on to newer technologies like HTML5. What I don't get is why they are still supporting Adobe Air on mobile since its based off flash. They announced in late 2011 that ICS would be the last version they would support flash on. Google Chrome first showed up on Android in early 2012, so it wasn't Chome that killed flash like some think.
Luckily Adobe is maintaining download links on their site for flash apks and is still doing security updates for now.
I don't get why you'd end flash to work on HTML5? Why not just make Flash better?
I don't care if something is dying or not supported anymore. When it is still used on more sites than the nearest competitor (HTML5) then it is sitll number one and you need to support it.
I would be interested in an iPhone or Windows phone, however the locked down OS not giving you any options like to have flash on your phone kills them for me. I'll always choose android because the software is superior as a result of the third party. You can produce an OS but you need it to be open to be successful, IOS is a mess because it is closed, it has been a mess for many years since everyone caught up to Apple. You need an open OS because the people always come up with way better software than the official company. Innovation is what you didn't know you even wanted but it makes such a difference, you don't get that from corps.
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That is pretty much true. I will add my two cents.
1. Flash is proprietary. You have to buy tools and compiler to develop. What is more there is only one official flash player. Others were created thanks to reverse engineering and are not very good.
2. Flash is terribly optimized. What I mean is the compiled code is very inefficient.
3. Language. Who would like to learn and use ActionScript if there is mature and popular JavaScript?
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1 - Wrong you can download the Flex or AIRSDK for free ,and use free tools to create Flash/AIR.
2 - Wrong again, Clearly you haven't used flash recently. Stage3D is amazing:
Is this bad performance? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EBxd2tFEvU You can try it out if you find it and download it.
3 - :laugh:, JS is really an old language without real OOP language like Actionscript or Java. So classes are prototypes which is a very old and obsolete concept when there are Objects and Classes out there....
To get an idea: JS is to JAVA (or AS3) as BASIC to C++ .
You must be one of the fanboys mentioned on the first post.
Seriously dude, don't talk about things you don't know about.
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Flash is within AIR within an APP. Means apple store can sell it and is happy about it. HTML5 cool stuff doesn't work on most low end phones, (just like flash!) And to be honest Flash was capable of doing many things that HTML5 is NOT YET able to do. HTML5 was sold as the technology of the future but I have been there years ago, and I will rather changing career if i had to go back to that tecnology. (How many days wasted in problems with compatibility with browsers...)
I'm a stage3D developer and I don't think is slow. The old Flash system (which is still heavily used by designers, not coders) is slow, time line, vectors, and tons of layers made Flash flexible and accessible but very slow performance. Now with stage3D, flash is just code and bitmaps with GPU acceleration. This means it runs like any other SDK (like coronaSDK or Unity). Same performance!
I always try to be objective, and Apple fans are not. Is like a massive religion. Lucky, I am atheist and I can see sects very easily. :laugh:
But not on android it seems.
I use flash for movies on my PC fine using Opera.
But despite all the claims, the various browsers, and numerous versions, It really does look like Flash is dead, and adobe has finally killed it.
Certainly on the HP touchpad and most if not all android mobiles anyway.
So whats going on? Anyone ?
I too have read the thousands of blogs (most are copies of each other) with so called alternatives.
Hell even opera has sided with the devil and uses chrome under its hood for its latest PC versions (and its crap).
Thankfully its far better earlier versions still play fine, and are miles better to boot.
But still nothing for android and the myriad of android devices dependent on flash to play streaming vids, games and other good stuff..
And you only have to start typing 'flash' here on xda in a search box to see the many thousands of searches for the same answer.
So it really is an issue for many people.
But what i dont get, is that this community of brilliantly clever programmers / hackers and developers just dont appear to know where to begin to build a working alternative or a working answer. Is this now the end of mankind or just android ?
Surly if there was a solution to be found anywhere it would be here.
But the fact there isnt, and only a very few worthy for trying but useless alternatives are out there, means mankind will continue to have a problem that can only get worse for years to come :crying:
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But not on android it seems.
I use flash for movies on my PC fine using Opera.
But despite all the claims, the various browsers, and numerous versions, It really does look like Flash is dead, and adobe has finally killed it.
Certainly on the HP touchpad and most if not all android mobiles anyway.
So whats going on? Anyone ?
I too have read the thousands of blogs (most are copies of each other) with so called alternatives.
Hell even opera has sided with the devil and uses chrome under its hood for its latest PC versions (and its crap).
Thankfully its far better earlier versions still play fine, and are miles better to boot.
But still nothing for android and the myriad of android devices dependent on flash to play streaming vids, games and other good stuff..
And you only have to start typing 'flash' here on xda in a search box to see the many thousands of searches for the same answer.
So it really is an issue for many people.
But what i dont get, is that this community of brilliantly clever programmers / hackers and developers just dont appear to know where to begin to build a working alternative or a working answer. Is this now the end of mankind or just android ?
Surly if there was a solution to be found anywhere it would be here.
But the fact there isnt, and only a very few worthy for trying but useless alternatives are out there, means mankind will continue to have a problem that can only get worse for years to come :crying:
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Flash is dying, let it die gracefully.
To be honest, i'm quite happy. Flash is being replaced with much better options.
But what? Until web creators / developers, provide access to content with other methods, flash and flash plugins are the only means to access it.
Unless there is a way to view flash cont from an android mobile without flash.
Flash is going to die; but not in near future i think... Half ot the World still using outdated browsers and new solutions doesn't mean anything for them. So web developers can't leave Flash that easy...