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I've heard so many mixed perspectives.
The way I see it, S-OLED should be the best in the bunch.
Followed by OLED and then TFT..
I've heard about the nexus display looking "unnatural" from engadget, whatever that means..
Some people are saying that the upcoming sprint evo 4g has a brighter and simply better (4.3") screen.
Apart from the size, the screen technology is just TFT.
In the computer LCD world, i have heard more bad than good about TFT, so what's the deal?
Right now I have a 24" 1080p TFT LCD Monitor, and I think it's beautiful.
I haven't had much to compare it to though.
It's not the greatest screen I've seen, but it's definitely nice.
I have both an HD2 and a Nexus One. The HD2 has a 4.3" TFT display and looks gorgeous. It doesn't have a very defined pixel grid look that you can see if you stare at your Nexus One up close, so it looks more blended.
On the flip side, the Nexus One's vibrancy is hands down better. While watching movies on the HD2, I loved the size of the image, but to be honest, I prefer the color of the Nexus One's screen.
Outside in the sunlight, the HD2 wins. It still gets horrible glare, but no where near as bad as the Nexus One.
With all of that being said, I prefer the Nexus One's screen. Not going to talk about the size differences and their pros and cons, because that's a separate subject altogether. I'm mostly indoors for my job, and being a graphics designer, I enjoy the contrast that the OLED screen can deliver. It's not exactly color accurate, but since this is a phone and not being used as a design device, it doesn't matter...it looks gorgeous. So long as people don't appear as orange aliens, I enjoy the contrast. (Go stare at some of the TVs on display in major retail stores...they jack the contrast up to ridiculous levels to try to wow the viewer, but make things look downright stupid)
I see, that's pretty much like I expected.
The OLED displays will have a more pixel grid display because each pixel is actually a tiny LED. For me that's fine, as long as its not blatant.
So then the best choice would probably be AMOLED that's good in sunlight aka super amoled.
Have you tried playing with the brightness in the sunlight?
I haven't actually experienced an amoled screen yet, but i would think that if you turned the brightness up to max it would like quite okay in the sun.
At least that's how my G1 (TFT LCD) was.
Thanks for the input btw!
From the start I could not understand the positive voices for the AMOLED display. I had a Galaxy and I hated it. Now I have the Nexus and I hate the UNNATURAL colours. They are ghastly! If I had the choice between a Nexus with TFT or AMOLED screen I would certainly pick a TFT.
azalex86 said:
I have both an HD2 and a Nexus One. The HD2 has a 4.3" TFT display and looks gorgeous. It doesn't have a very defined pixel grid look that you can see if you stare at your Nexus One up close, so it looks more blended.
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isnt the supersonics screen a little brighter and more vibrant than the hd2? it sure seemed soo in the pictures and videos i saw
I have the two available high-end android devices - the Milestone (GSM version of the Droid, though with non-unlockable bootloader :-( ) and the Nexus One.
The 'stone has a 854x480 TFT, and the N1 has an 800x480 AMOLED.
Inside, the N1 screen wins - it is incredibly bright, less battery hungry, and has notably better contrast. The Milestone is good, but the N1 is better.
Another N1 advantage is that, even though both screens are 3.7 inches, the milestone is taller and narrower in portrait mode, making the portrait-mode keyboard harder to use for those of us with freakishly-large hands.
Outside, however, it just isn't even close. The Milestone is the best color screen I've ever seen on a large screen phone under bright light. It is absolutely usable in bright sunlight - you can take photos, check out a youtube video, read your RSS feeds, tweets, maps, whatever with absolutely no problem at all. The N1 is almost unusable in direct sunlight - there is just too much glare from the substrate and touch layers. And if you are also wearing sunglasses, forget it, you can't see a thing. Even an iPhone 3GS or iPod Touch (3rd gen) are mush less readable in bright conditions than the Milestone.
Samsung's new S-AMOLED is meant to bond the touch layer into the AMOLED surface directly, taking out a glare / difraction / etc. layer, and making the screen good in bright light. I have my doubts that it will be as good as a strong TFT in those conditions, but we'll see. It will certainly be thinner, better indoors and less power hungry
I don't have yet a N1 but I had the samsung Jet back in fall ,it had an amoled screen. It was quite good under sunlight,colors are washed out but you can clearly read SMS text or use the menu.
Now playing games in summer at the beach at 12am...forget about it and try take spy pics of string gurls with your 5mp
topdnbass said:
I see, that's pretty much like I expected.
The OLED displays will have a more pixel grid display because each pixel is actually a tiny LED. For me that's fine, as long as its not blatant.
So then the best choice would probably be AMOLED that's good in sunlight aka super amoled.
Have you tried playing with the brightness in the sunlight?
I haven't actually experienced an amoled screen yet, but i would think that if you turned the brightness up to max it would like quite okay in the sun.
At least that's how my G1 (TFT LCD) was.
Thanks for the input btw!
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Yeah, even with the Nexus One set to 100%, the readability is around the HD2 with 50-60% brightness outside. Thankfully it is only a problem in direct sunlight.
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isnt the supersonics screen a little brighter and more vibrant than the hd2? it sure seemed soo in the pictures and videos i saw
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I believe they are the same screen in both devices, but could be wrong. We'll have to wait until they can do a proper side by side with the exact same lightness settings.
A 4.3" Super AMOLED screen would be nice. I would never buy a phone with a bigger display than that, because it would become uncomfortable to use, and at that point, you might as well just buy a tablet.
Settembrini said:
From the start I could not understand the positive voices for the AMOLED display. I had a Galaxy and I hated it. Now I have the Nexus and I hate the UNNATURAL colours. They are ghastly! If I had the choice between a Nexus with TFT or AMOLED screen I would certainly pick a TFT.
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I would suggest you have a screen that is defective if it has really noticeable colour deviations.
Obviously it's not a properly colour calibrated display, but everything looks perfectly natural on mine (skin tones etc), with no significant over saturation or hue shifts.
yeah, I'm a big outdoor guy and not looking forward to dealing with this screen outdoors....sucks.
Whatever happened to transflective technology...loved that on my old tilt.
Guys, aren't there screen cover/protectors that deflect or whatever and that make the screen readable in sunlight?
thanks
rockky said:
yeah, I'm a big outdoor guy and not looking forward to dealing with this screen outdoors....sucks.
Whatever happened to transflective technology...loved that on my old tilt.
Guys, aren't there screen cover/protectors that deflect or whatever and that make the screen readable in sunlight?
thanks
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There are anti-glare protectors that help eliminate some of the glare by dispursing it better, but even then it's still pretty bad. The main issue is due to having no backlight like a TFT.
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I would suggest you have a screen that is defective if it has really noticeable colour deviations.
Obviously it's not a properly colour calibrated display, but everything looks perfectly natural on mine (skin tones etc), with no significant over saturation or hue shifts.
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No, there is nothing wrong with the colour calibration. Girlfriend has also got a Nexus and I have seen others and even on photos here on the internet you can see the unnatural colours of the screen.
Have a look at the first post where you can find the question, if it were true that the colours are unnatural referring to Engadget. And yes, the colours are unnatural. I like the Nexus, do not get me wrong, but I do not like the colours of AMOLED screens. They are awful.
rockky said:
yeah, I'm a big outdoor guy and not looking forward to dealing with this screen outdoors....sucks.
Whatever happened to transflective technology...loved that on my old tilt.
Guys, aren't there screen cover/protectors that deflect or whatever and that make the screen readable in sunlight?
thanks
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There are definitely protectors that do that, but I don't like the feel of anything but glass on a touch screen.. That's just me though.
Hey I noticed in your sig that you have an iphone and nexus, how would you compare the two? The screen and everything else (you should make another thread for that though).
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Yeah, even with the Nexus One set to 100%, the readability is around the HD2 with 50-60% brightness outside. Thankfully it is only a problem in direct sunlight.
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Damn that's pretty bad, cause with the TFT on my G1 I always had to turn it up to max to get a decent display.
So assuming the HD2 is similar (same technology), then AMOLED must be pretty bad in sunlight.
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I don't have yet a N1 but I had the samsung Jet back in fall ,it had an amoled screen. It was quite good under sunlight,colors are washed out but you can clearly read SMS text or use the menu.
Now playing games in summer at the beach at 12am...forget about it and try take spy pics of string gurls with your 5mp
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Lol, spy pics.
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I have the two available high-end android devices - the Milestone (GSM version of the Droid, though with non-unlockable bootloader :-( ) and the Nexus One.
The 'stone has a 854x480 TFT, and the N1 has an 800x480 AMOLED.
Inside, the N1 screen wins - it is incredibly bright, less battery hungry, and has notably better contrast. The Milestone is good, but the N1 is better.
Another N1 advantage is that, even though both screens are 3.7 inches, the milestone is taller and narrower in portrait mode, making the portrait-mode keyboard harder to use for those of us with freakishly-large hands.
Outside, however, it just isn't even close. The Milestone is the best color screen I've ever seen on a large screen phone under bright light. It is absolutely usable in bright sunlight - you can take photos, check out a youtube video, read your RSS feeds, tweets, maps, whatever with absolutely no problem at all. The N1 is almost unusable in direct sunlight - there is just too much glare from the substrate and touch layers. And if you are also wearing sunglasses, forget it, you can't see a thing. Even an iPhone 3GS or iPod Touch (3rd gen) are mush less readable in bright conditions than the Milestone.
Samsung's new S-AMOLED is meant to bond the touch layer into the AMOLED surface directly, taking out a glare / difraction / etc. layer, and making the screen good in bright light. I have my doubts that it will be as good as a strong TFT in those conditions, but we'll see. It will certainly be thinner, better indoors and less power hungry
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I know the AMOLED's are pretty great indoors, but when you say incredibly bright... If viewing late at night in bed for example, is it too bright even on the lowest setting?
I'd like a phone that can be very dim or very bright.
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From the start I could not understand the positive voices for the AMOLED display. I had a Galaxy and I hated it. Now I have the Nexus and I hate the UNNATURAL colours. They are ghastly! If I had the choice between a Nexus with TFT or AMOLED screen I would certainly pick a TFT.
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Have you compared side-by-side? I can't believe that they're THAT bad.
@topdnbass
Have you compared side-by-side? I can't believe that they're THAT bad.
Yes, I have. I do it all the time, as I have still a G1 to compare the Nexus with. If it is "THAT bad" I can't say only that I do not like it and that I would certainly prefer a TFT if had the choice.
Why do you think did the guys from Engadget think the colours to be "unnatural"?
In the end it might not matter that much as it doesn't reduce the functions of the gadget. Other people might even like it, I do not.
S.
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@topdnbass
Have you compared side-by-side? I can't believe that they're THAT bad.
Yes, I have. I do it all the time, as I have still a G1 to compare the Nexus with. If it is "THAT bad" I can't say only that I do not like it and that I would certainly prefer a TFT if had the choice.
Why do you think did the guys from Engadget think the colours to be "unnatural"?
In the end it might not matter that much as it doesn't reduce the functions of the gadget. Other people might even like it, I do not.
S.
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i personally love it..the colors pop out they look gorgeous
Compared to TFT capacitive screens Amoled are less good under sunlight but they are still usable and certainly much more than HTC WM phones like Diamond and Touch HD
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@topdnbass
Have you compared side-by-side? I can't believe that they're THAT bad.
Yes, I have. I do it all the time, as I have still a G1 to compare the Nexus with. If it is "THAT bad" I can't say only that I do not like it and that I would certainly prefer a TFT if had the choice.
Why do you think did the guys from Engadget think the colours to be "unnatural"?
In the end it might not matter that much as it doesn't reduce the functions of the gadget. Other people might even like it, I do not.
S.
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You seem to put a lot of faith in what Engadget says. I'm not saying that everything is perfectly flat, but I have a few hundred perfectly-exposed photos from my Nikon D90, all taken with pro glass, on my Nexus, and the colors are not bad at all. They are, well, let's call them "well saturated", but nothing remotely unpleasant - to be honest, given the tiny screen (I take photos be be blown up BIG), the saturation is probably an advantage. And they look notably, even considerably better on the N1 than on an iPhone / iPod touch third-gen.
All of that is my opinion - and I like saturated colors. But I also like skin that still looks like skin, and the N1 delivers that to my eyes.
Gee, didn't I say that it is my opinion and that others might think differently? What you call saturated colours I call unnatural and for me and maybe only for me the colours are an eyesore, but I like the Nexus nevertheless.
big_adventure, you gave me a thought.
I think the best way to really compare these technologies is to have the same image of something, like a HQ picture of your skin.
On both of the phones.
Then compare the output to eachother and to the real life color of your skin.
I said to compare to eachother because a cameras snapshot can change the color, flash, settings, and what not.
Sounds stupid, but maybe what some people define as unnatural on a display, is actually quite natural.
Don't compare how the android OS looks, compare an image within the OS.
vegetaleb said:
Now playing games in summer at the beach at 12am...forget about it and try take spy pics of string gurls with your 5mp
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Well, if you are going to be wandering around a beach at midnight you probably won't run into too many girls to take pictures of. And they'd probably notice the flash going off so it wouldn't be much of a "spy shot".
(Edit: To be fair, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12-hour_clock#Confusion_at_noon_and_midnight mentions that am/pm by definition don't make any sense for noon and midnight and are thus often confused. But, the sources it quotes that do assign meaning to 12am and 12pm all seem to call 12am midnight and 12pm noon. It's probably why most of the parking signs in SF are now starting to use "12:01am" when they want to talk about late night street cleaning restrictions...that, and the fact that 12am is also ambiguous as to whether it refers to the start of a day or the end of a day...)
Im considering getting an HD7. I had a chance to play with a quantum an fell in love with WP7. I was one who was on the Evo bandwagon, and bought a launch phone (I ended up returning it and switching to tmobile). When that phone launched, every blog, review, and post was raving about how AMAZING the screen was. Now, the same screen is in the HD7 and it seems like everyone thinks its garbage. Whats the deal? The evo's been out what, 6 months? Did everyone's eyes just just get used to the ridiculously over saturated colors of the galaxy s super amoled or what?
I've never used the EVO; I love my HD7 but the screen sucks. Point blank. The screen on the HD7 looks like the screen I had on my greyscale palm-pilot 10 years ago. It's not just the fact that its ridiculously reflective; it's very poor at producing colors and the viewing angles are really limited.
I think the best way to describe it would be like those old laptop screen that had a back light lamp.
Again I'm coming from the HD2 and a long line of HTC phones. I really liked the screen on the HD2. You know a screen is good when you rarely ever have to think about it. with the HD7 . . . . . you always do.
Im not sure I understand, dont the HD2 and HD7 share the same screen?
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Im not sure I understand, dont the HD2 and HD7 share the same screen?
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No! Not in the slightest.
I have an HTC HD 7 and am quiet Happy with the screen quality, although Ihavent used any of your guys phones..
THe mere fact that the screen size is 4:3 makes me love it so much i dont even feel like using my computer any more
I have had an HD2, VIBRANT AND HD7... I like the HD7's screen the best... to each his own.
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.. to each his own.
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Very true buddy
I went from the HD2 to HD7. I think the screens are close in terms of quality. I have noticed that if I leave the brightness on the HD7 set to auto it's too dim for me. I prefer a clear, bright screen but I am sure I will pay in battery life (which already seems better in the HD7).
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I've never used the EVO; I love my HD7 but the screen sucks. Point blank. The screen on the HD7 looks like the screen I had on my greyscale palm-pilot 10 years ago. It's not just the fact that its ridiculously reflective; it's very poor at producing colors and the viewing angles are really limited.
I think the best way to describe it would be like those old laptop screen that had a back light lamp.
Again I'm coming from the HD2 and a long line of HTC phones. I really liked the screen on the HD2. You know a screen is good when you rarely ever have to think about it. with the HD7 . . . . . you always do.
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You should return yours. There's something wrong with it. The HD7 screen is among the best there is, period. I have an HD7 and an HD2 and find the image quality to be purely superb and the definition much better than any OLED.
Here is how you discern the truth about some people, the ones who are being purely trollish will not want you to see for yourselves. I highly recommend to anyone who gives the slightest consideration to what this poster is saying go see for themselves. T-Mobile has the Galaxy S, which has an AMOLED, and the HD7, which has the superb LCD. Compare both phones side by side and make sure to look at text definition. You won't find a better looking normal LCD in the market than what the HD7 has.
MartyLK said:
You should return yours. There's something wrong with it. The HD7 screen is among the best there is, period. I have an HD7 and an HD2 and find the image quality to be purely superb and the definition much better than any OLED.
Here is how you discern the truth about some people, the ones who are being purely trollish will not want you to see for yourselves. I highly recommend to anyone who gives the slightest consideration to what this poster is saying go see for themselves. T-Mobile has the Galaxy S, which has an AMOLED, and the HD7, which has the superb LCD. Compare both phones side by side and make sure to look at text definition. You won't find a better looking normal LCD in the market than what the HD7 has.
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You are a moron for calling me a troll. I can't find a better way to articulate. You might just be the troll for pissing me off. As you can see from my post I clearly stated it as my observation and I used my past experiences for comparison.
That doesn't make me right or wrong. It's clearly my perception based on the OP's question. You obviously have yours.
Then again you could just be a 10 year old in your mom's basement and I fell for your comment. in that case you got me kid.
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You are a moron for calling me a troll. I can't find a better way to articulate. You might just be the troll for pissing me off. As you can see from my post I clearly stated it as my observation and I used my past experiences for comparison.
That doesn't make me right or wrong. It's clearly my perception based on the OP's question. You obviously have yours.
Then again you could just be a 10 year old in your mom's basement and I fell for your comment. in that case you got me kid.
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You made a generalization about all HD7s rather than saying *yours* looked bad to you. And I didn't call you a troll. I made a comment about how to discern trolls.
You need to chill.
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You are a moron for calling me a troll. I can't find a better way to articulate. You might just be the troll for pissing me off. As you can see from my post I clearly stated it as my observation and I used my past experiences for comparison.
That doesn't make me right or wrong. It's clearly my perception based on the OP's question. You obviously have yours.
Then again you could just be a 10 year old in your mom's basement and I fell for your comment. in that case you got me kid.
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You are obviously a bitter person that just needs to relax. Calling people morons and trolls and 10 year boys just makes yourself seem offensive and childish. It is what is so don't accuse someone for being a troll just because he directed an opinion at you.
I'm sorry no one here agrees with your argument but that doesnt mean you should build up so much pent up anger to lash out at the first person that makes a comment against you.
Though i think there is something that the rest of us can agree on: you, sir, are a complete douche.
I like the screen on the Hd7, are the viewing angles bad? Well yes...depending on what phone you are coming from. In my case I'm coming from the Nexus One. In my own opinion I think the Hd7 screen is a lot more sharper than the screen on the Nexus One. Remember you are not going to carry around two phones in your pocket to compare screens all day long. Just my 2 Cents.
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I went from the HD2 to HD7. I think the screens are close in terms of quality. I have noticed that if I leave the brightness on the HD7 set to auto it's too dim for me. I prefer a clear, bright screen but I am sure I will pay in battery life (which already seems better in the HD7).
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Hey! have you run any comparisons to see if there was a radical difference in battery life. From what I gather with a dark background theme the difference in battery is minimal but with the light which I use there would be a significant difference.
If you do not play games or watch your email 10,000 times a day there is not going to be a significant increase in battery use, but if you do you may shorten to just the 8 hours of business hours.
Anyway the screen is absolutely great, that was the reason I wanted the HD7 compared to these over saturated color phones which look great when you see a demo but you get quickly bored by the non-natural feel of the colors. the HD7 is very natural, has a good viewing angle (I don't think anyone plans on looking it at more than like 20-30 degrees on the side and still is very readable.
the size, the quality, the good sensitive touch (sometime maybe a little too sensitive) that's the best screen around.
It is a bit bland to me however
i have been using a Samsung Captivate for so long
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I still have the HD2 and had the HD7 and did 2 comparisons. First I loaded Transformers from the HD2 on to the HD7 and put them side by side and compared the images. No discernable difference. Second comparison was with a Samsung Focus screen at an at&t kiosk. There's no other way to say it, the HD7 screen looked like complete rubbish, dull screen, dim colours. On its own the HD7 might seem impressive, but put it up against the Focus or any other modern screen (like on the iphone) and the absolute crappiness of the screen is abundantly clear. There's just no contest when it comes to the screen quality, and when you consider that HTC's WP7 devices are the least well regarded for various reasons (with the HD7 going so far as to have the same camera bug as the HD2 did) I dont think there's any doubt that HTC didnt put much effort into their WP7 lineup and its no surprise the screen is not well regarded. As good as WP7 is, the HD7 is not a comparably good device.
After doing that screen comparison with the focus I returned mine today and ordered a Dell Venue Pro for the same price.
I actually think that the screen quality is pretty good when compared to the majority of LCD based phones. I don't have a lot of experience with oled but look forward to comparing the on order venue pro against my HD7. I have played extensively with my friends galaxy s phone but do not own one.
I do notice some motion blur while scrolling quickly with certain color schemes though. I also recommend setting the screen brightness to medium. I have not experienced a noticeable amount of battery difference with moderate use but there is a noticeable improvement in quality. The auto brightness of this phone is one of the dimmest I have ever seen. Overall I would give it around a 7.5 with the Pioneer Elite 111 as my reference in the background.
You just said it yourself...You used
"Super Amoled" on the Focus and retina display on iphone 4
I have both a mytouch 4g(that i am returning) and
a HD7 and i notice nothing majorly different
As well as a Droid X that a colleague has....Not a big difference
http://wmpoweruser.com/htc-hd7-vs-samsung-focusdaylight-performance/
Check out this video comparison
Does the US T-Mobile version have a S-LCD screen or a TFT? Every review has a different answer it's driving me crazy! I cant tell I have a TFT on my G2 and the HD7 screen looks better but it might just be because its 4.3".
Honestly I would tweet this one @HTC on twitter and trend #wp7 to put some pressure on them to answer.
The best way to get the most accurate answer would be to tweet @htc the question and trend #wp7 in the same tweet so they actually answer it in this lifetime.
It is a normal TFT, not a S-LCD.
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It is a normal TFT, not a S-LCD.
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well thats a bummer
Halabeaster54 said:
Does the US T-Mobile version have a S-LCD screen or a TFT? Every review has a different answer it's driving me crazy! I cant tell I have a TFT on my G2 and the HD7 screen looks better but it might just be because its 4.3".
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From what I can see and almost every review and or tech specs I have seen it is a Super LCD screen.
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2636&c=htc_hd7_16gb
They are nonsense tech specs that have never been been given out by HTC. Look at a direct comparison between an SLCD screen liek hte HTC Mozrt against the HTC 7, and you'll notice the HD7's is far much inferior. That, and it appears to give the same colour reproduction as the HD2.
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They are nonsense tech specs that have never been been given out by HTC. Look at a direct comparison between an SLCD screen liek hte HTC Mozrt against the HTC 7, and you'll notice the HD7's is far much inferior. That, and it appears to give the same colour reproduction as the HD2.
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http://www.totech.net/htc-hd7-technical-specifications
http://mobile.softpedia.com/phones/HTC/HTC-HD7.shtml
http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/t-mobile-htc-hd7-review
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/HTC-HD7-Review_id2582
http://www.tbnews.info/677/hd7-top-of-the-range-windows-mobile-7-with-s-lcd/
http://www.techhail.com/mobiles/htc-hd7-vs-htc-7-surround-vs-htc-7-mozart-vs-htc-7-trophy/9369
http://otakugadgets.com/cell-phones/htc-ditches-amoled-good-phones-moves-s-lcd/
These are just some of the links that do state it does have a SLCD. Even if it had just a TFT LCD I still would love the device. Coming from a Vibrant on T-Mobile I noticed that with the SAMOLED displays that the colors are over saturated and not a true representation (that is my opinion though). It also looks like as Super TFT screens are also knows as SLCD screens according to the last article i posted
Merry Christmas
Eric
And none of those articles state any official HTC source >.< Its also worth noting that ordiniary LCD's also don't give accruate colour reproduction, instead giving dull, undersaturated, cold feeling colours. Depends whether you prefer vibrancy or not - most people prefer more vibrancy
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hi guys any of you have shifted from a galaxyS to an hd7? Was it worth it.. as considering there are few messenger apps in the market? im thinkin of shifting from "fragmented android" to WP7. Just the thing that worries me is i could just find one messenger app out there.. namely FIM. I really love the Metro UI
Moreover GSMarena seems to be complaining about the sensitivity of the screen. Is it true that its not sensitive..also the blurry text issue.. If someone could please shed some light on this.. Thanks
I'm not having any issues w screen sensitivity. also, my screen is bright, clear and doesnt suffer from some of the issues from some reviews. however, the display sets i used all had poor screens and fade when viewed from an angle.
bought mine in singapore and the screen is better than my hd2 screen.
ounkeo said:
I'm not having any issues w screen sensitivity. also, my screen is bright, clear and doesnt suffer from some of the issues from some reviews. however, the display sets i used all had poor screens and fade when viewed from an angle.
bought mine in singapore and the screen is better than my hd2 screen.
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Thanks for the tip. I didnt get this part though."the display sets i used all had poor screens" yu mean had replaced your HD7 a couple of times till you got one with the right screen?
Engadget's review is out and one of the negative things they had to say about the Optimus 4X was the screen. They say that the screen isn't bonded to the front glass, resulting to not having that "floating icons" feel and more importantly, poor viewing angles.
Where did you see "poor viewing angles"? I am watching the review right now and it says respectable viewing angles. Besides the screen is very bright.. At least in the GSMArena test..
18:20 of their video review. He didn't literally say "poor viewing angles", but I think that's what he means when he said "it just goes away". That's doesn't sound too "respectable".
I haven't noticed poor viewing angles at all. I can still see the screen at obscure angles.
Its no more or less visible at angles than my HTC Sensation was. IMHO, the screen is amazing on this device. Pin Sharp, natural colour reproduction, I have a wallpaper from Zedge of a forest with "God rays" shining through, looks simply amazing on this phone to me.
alexp999 said:
I haven't noticed poor viewing angles at all. I can still see the screen at obscure angles.
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Don't the colors get washed out more and more as you look at the screen at increasing angles?
Not really no, a tiny bit maybe but not worse than my sensation. Id call it more of a tint than a wash out, and surely a phone is a single user device, why do viewing angles matter that much?
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I get your point but I would still want a screen with great viewing angles.
Sharpshooterrr said:
I get your point but I would still want a screen with great viewing angles.
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I think it does, to be honest, I was actually surprised how well I could see the screen from steep angles, considering what some have said.
The problem is, the best way to know if you will be happy is to see one in the flesh, but thats not so easy when it isnt available worldwide yet.
Sharpshooterrr said:
I get your point but I would still want a screen with great viewing angles.
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its not so bad tbh
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/61800751/VIDEO0002.3gp
stesa said:
its not so bad tbh
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/61800751/VIDEO0002.3gp
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Is that a One X on the right?
Sharpshooterrr said:
Is that a One X on the right?
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yes sir
Sharpshooterrr said:
I get your point but I would still want a screen with great viewing angles.
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honestly why would anyone look at their phone from a 170 degree angle or even just 90? worthless requirement, just to say mine is better than yours. when all viewing angles from left/right/top/bottom works and equally the same within the 0-20/30 degree viewing, its as good as it should.
As long as its sharp and true colours represented and details are there representing all colours as they should, i am happy.
I own the 4X and let me tell you the viewing angles are superb under normal light conditions. There is some visible glare under strong direct sunlight and viewing angles do become a bit worse but you won't have any trouble with it. It's quite good under direct sunlight.
For one I'm glad I choose 4x over S3 ore One X.
for me the 4x have the best display,very high ppi, i like the galaxy s3,but dont like the super amoled just because its a pentile display and the pixel are not tru hd
justrayen said:
for me the 4x have the best display,very high ppi, i like the galaxy s3,but dont like the super amoled just because its a pentile display and the pixel are not tru hd
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What's worse is all Amoleds have burn in or image retention that will happen in about a year or so.
What's worse is all Amoleds have burn in or image retention that will happen in about a year or so.
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Not convinced by this. I'm thinking of updating from an HTC Desire, which has an AMOLED, and it's beautiful. I have no problems with burn in. Maybe that happens if you leave the screen on for a couple of weeks on the same image, but that's hardly likely.
One of my big concerns is the 4x screen won't look as good in comparison. What's the brightness like anyone?
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Not convinced by this. I'm thinking of updating from an HTC Desire, which has an AMOLED, and it's beautiful. I have no problems with burn in. Maybe that happens if you leave the screen on for a couple of weeks on the same image, but that's hardly likely.
One of my big concerns is the 4x screen won't look as good in comparison. What's the brightness like anyone?
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I did exatly what you're thinking about!!
I've had the HTC Desire for a little over 2 years, and bought the 4x a couple of weeks ago.
Yes the Desire has a good screen, but the one on the 4x i way better!!
I always used the autobrightnes on the Desire, but it was often very hard to see the screen in the sunshine.
On the 4x the autobrightness works a little different. You set a base point, and the autobrightness changes relative to that.
That way it doesn't turn the brightness all the way up or all the way down.
I've set it to a base point of 20% brightness, at it gives me a screen that are easier to read outside then the desire ever did.
So if the screen is you only worry, go right ahead and buy the 4x. It's a big improvement over your HTC Desire.
The only thing I miss from the Desire is the notification LED (and ofcouse ROOT, but I'm sure that will come soon!!! :laugh: )
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Not convinced by this. ... What's the brightness like anyone?
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i had a SAMSUNG GALAXY S with S-AMOLED before the O4X.
Amoled screens have perfect blacks , but those of the SGS and the Desire have also wrong "funky" colors
The le LG screen does not have perfect blacks, but is brighter , sharper (because of the pentile matrix, there is no amoled that sharp on the market) and has realistic colors.
talking about angle . what i can say is that i can watch the film, or read any message of someone sitting next to me ...
so for me the angle is not an issue: at an extreme position, it becomes dark, but the angle is so wide that, even if it could be clearer, it would also be unreadable with any type of screen technology.
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I did exatly what you're thinking about!! ... So if the screen is you only worry, go right ahead and buy the 4x. It's a big improvement over your HTC Desire.
The only thing I miss from the Desire is the notification LED (and ofcouse ROOT, but I'm sure that will come soon!!! :laugh: )
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Cheers for the detailed reply. Nice to know it's better in sunlight, because I always found the Desire was awful.
I tend not to use auto-brightness though in fear of it draining the battery to much. I just had my Desire at 15% and that worked fine in most situations, except bright outdoors
Once your battery is low and you put your phone on charge, what sort of screen-on time do you normally have? I found typically I'd have 2 hours of screen-time from my Desire by the end of a day, 15 hours or so off the charger, and that would be about 20% battery remaining. What's it like for the 4x?
Unfortunately the LED is probably the biggest killer for me then. I love having the light on the Desire, especially since I've got it rooted and Handcent can use blue and pink and stuff. Looks awesome I know one isn't supposed to play the waiting game, but I'd hate it if I bought the 4x and then in 2 months time, a phone with similar specs and an LED came out :S
Such difficult decisions...
What are these screens supposed to look like? Mine seems OK except the touchscreen goes unresponsive at times. Also, colors are pretty dull and this thing has greys and gamma like a much inferior screen. Didn't reviews say the screen had great blacks, etc? I font have the ghost white hue glitch but it just seems generally washed out to me. Can others chime in?
Also, I know its a great deal so please don't flame, I want to just find out if others have a better experience or that mine is on the more defective end.
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What are these screens supposed to look like? Mine seems OK except the touchscreen goes unresponsive at times. Also, colors are pretty dull and this thing has greys and gamma like a much inferior screen. Didn't reviews say the screen had great blacks, etc? I font have the ghost white hue glitch but it just seems generally washed out to me. Can others chime in?
Also, I know its a great deal so please don't flame, I want to just find out if others have a better experience or that mine is on the more defective end.
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Everything you just said is highly subjective. I love my screen. I think it's great. You may look at it and say its washed out and generally inferior. If you can't post pictures, there's nothing anyone here can do to help you sir. Some people undoubtedly are coming from ultra-high-end screens and will find this one lacking. Most, I think, do not.
My camera doesn't pick it up well but the Black's are not all that dark. I just thought the colors would be a little more saturated. This screen really doesn't look much better than a nook tablet. Its got higher resolution but the color and gamma and blacks are about the same. I guess I will find out once the replacement comes due to the touch issues.
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I've owned many different devices and my n7 is a bit washed out but not bad given the price. Hoping nice more dev builds up we can start playing around with fine tuning the screen
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The screen is easily the Nexus 7's weakest link, but considering the price... it's awesome. It took a little bit to get used to coming from the iPad 3 and its absolutely glorious screen, but I couldn't be happier with my N7.
Glad I'm not the only one that noticed the screen. My biggest problem though is the occasional unresponsiveness of the touchscreen. I'll check on the differences when I get a replacement sent to me. Thanks all for the replies
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I only notice the screen not looking great when I turn down the brightness to about 10-20%. On full brightness it looks amazing though...but I can deal with a little less than vibrant colors on my day-to-day use in order to extend the battery life.
Just glad we have 1280 vs the 1024 the Galaxy Tab 2 7 is using which is just a no go.
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What are these screens supposed to look like? Mine seems OK except the touchscreen goes unresponsive at times. Also, colors are pretty dull and this thing has greys and gamma like a much inferior screen. Didn't reviews say the screen had great blacks, etc? I font have the ghost white hue glitch but it just seems generally washed out to me. Can others chime in?
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Have you played the Transformers movie at 30% to 50% brightness because I was blown away by the display when I did that?
The washed out screen was too much for me. I own the galaxy nexus and going from a super AMOLED screen to IPS was very jarring. The light bleeding on the Nexus 7 was pretty bad too, and when you touch the screen you get the 'air pocket' effect. The panel is definitely the worst thing about the device. I got the Samsung galaxy tab 7.7 instead and put CM9 on it, so much happier that I get deep deep blacks and can use it in landscape mode as well. Overall it is a much better tablet, I actually prefer watching movies on it than my 46inch Bravia TV :laugh: Its a very surreal experience, you have to see it to truly understand how amazing it looks
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The washed out screen was too much for me. I own the galaxy nexus and going from a super AMOLED screen to IPS was very jarring. The light bleeding on the Nexus 7 was pretty bad too, and when you touch the screen you get the 'air pocket' effect. The panel is definitely the worst thing about the device. I got the Samsung galaxy tab 7.7 instead and put CM9 on it, so much happier that I get deep deep blacks and can use it in landscape mode as well. Overall it is a much better tablet, I actually prefer watching movies on it than my 46inch Bravia TV :laugh: Its a very surreal experience, you have to see it to truly understand how amazing it looks
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Mine looks amazing, I think you just got a bad device.
I personally love mine. The screen doesn't blow me away but it isn't bad at all. I would appreciate the screen more if I didn't own a One X
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Same for me, if I didn't own a HTC One X, this would be the best screen I've owned on an android device.
But the fact I have a Motorola Xoom too, my Nexus 7 screen is much better!
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N7 screen is in fact a bit dull and washed out, especially on lower brightness (the fact that automatic backlight is calibrated as pretty dim does not help either).
The colours are much, much less vibrant as on my One X (but this phone has really got a top-end gorgeous screen).
However, screen on N7 is noticeably better than on Motorola Xoom in terms of color reproduction and viewing angles.
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N7 screen is in fact a bit dull and washed out, especially on lower brightness (the fact that automatic backlight is calibrated as pretty dim does not help either).
The colours are much, much less vibrant as on my One X (but this phone has really got a top-end gorgeous screen).
However, screen on N7 is noticeably better than on Motorola Xoom in terms of color reproduction and viewing angles.
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Ok, I'll agree here on auto brightness.
It was also too dull & washed out for me.
However, 50% fixed brightness is actually very bright and makes the colours great in my opinion.
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Are colors better on tab 2 7.0?
Nexus 7 has no green
Two things I've noticed about my screen so far, that makes me wonder if we're dealing with defective screens rather than just plain poor quality ones.
First, load an app or picture onto the device that just displays pure 0,0,255 green (if you search for 'dead pixel' I think the first or second app has options to display a solid colour). I find my Nexus is completely unable to display the green properly, instead showing an extremely washed out pastel shade. I've tested this with red and blue and neither of those suffer anything like the same issue as green does. This might be what is contributing to the weird washed out/off-colour look.
Second, this is purely anecdotal, but it seems like the brightness setting of the Nexus is purely software after around the halfway mark. You can easily see the backlight ramping up from 0-50% but beyond that just seems to be a gamma change, which doesn't brighten the screen at all and instead just washes it out further.
If anyone could follow up on these and post their own tests we might be able to get a better idea of where the real issues with this tablet lie. Or whether mine is just a little bit more broken than everyone else's.
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Mine looks amazing, I think you just got a bad device.
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I didn't have a bad device, I had a problem with the IPS technology used in the Nexus 7. If you compare a Super AMOLED plus screen to IPS it looks washed out, and the blacks are pretty poor...Also, you will always get a little bit of light bleeding because of the technology.
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I didn't have a bad device, I had a problem with the IPS technology used in the Nexus 7. If you compare a Super AMOLED plus screen to IPS it looks washed out, and the blacks are pretty poor...Also, you will always get a little bit of light bleeding because of the technology.
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Well, mine still looks amazing. I have a Super AMOLED Plus screen on my Galaxy Note, this looks pretty darn close.
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First, load an app or picture onto the device that just displays pure 0,0,255 green (if you search for 'dead pixel' I think the first or second app has options to display a solid colour). I find my Nexus is completely unable to display the green properly, instead showing an extremely washed out pastel shade. I've tested this with red and blue and neither of those suffer anything like the same issue as green does. This might be what is contributing to the weird washed out/off-colour look.
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That's normal.