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I have purchased a Diamond2 after having the Touch Diamond for a while.
I have noticed that the screen on the Diamond2 is not as whte as the D1. The "white colours" and backgrounds seem to be an off-white or even a faint yellow tint. Putting the Touch Diamond and D2 side by side I can notice an obvious difference in the whites.
Is this due to inferior LCD's (if so SHAME on you HTC) or can this be corrected by a hue enhancing application?
I also noticed that the font in the new contacts feature lacks contrast and is faint.
Has anyone else noticed these 2 things?
Aussie
aussie1234 said:
I have purchased a Diamond2 after having the Touch Diamond for a while.
I have noticed that the screen on the Diamond2 is not as whte as the D1. The "white colours" and backgrounds seem to be an off-white or even a faint yellow tint. Putting the Touch Diamond and D2 side by side I can notice an obvious difference in the whites.
Is this due to inferior LCD's (if so SHAME on you HTC) or can this be corrected by a hue enhancing application?
I also noticed that the font in the new contacts feature lacks contrast and is faint.
Has anyone else noticed these 2 things?
Aussie
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Different LCDs have different "default" color temperatures, that's to be expected....and as the new screen is of different size and resolution, possibly from a different manufacturer that the TD1, the color temperature of the TD2 display (warmer = white tends to be yellowish, colder = white tends to be bluish) is almost certainly different from the TD1 one.
What is surprising me is that you report that the TD2 is warmer than the TD1...
Based on the picture here
http://blog.omio.com/wp-content/diamond1vs2.png
I would have expected the opposite, because there u can clearly see that the TD2 is colder than TD1. Maybe it is your device that is different, or maybe it depend on the backlight intensity (although it is unlikely, reviews do not mention it and it should be quite visible)...Could you post pictures of the two screens side-by-side?
Colour Tone D1 vs D2
Hi gkai
My wife is using the D1 and when she comes home from work I will photo the two together.
The photo in the link is interesting - it's the exact opposite of what I am experiencing!
Aussie
I have it too on mine, a slight yellowish tint, not too bad, but now that you mention it, it is a little saddening.
I just think it's that .... Not all LCD's are created equal. There are a lot of things that probably effect how the LCD looks. I mean My HP computer next to my sisters and next to my brothers with the default settings all look slightly different. Mebe there is an app that will let us adjust the hue?
htc buy lcd from 2 suppliers , this is the same as for first diamond and for touch HD , one supplier do his lcd white yellowish and the other do white bluish
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htc buy lcd from 2 suppliers , this is the same as for first diamond and for touch HD , one supplier do his lcd white yellowish and the other do white bluish
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wow, i was not aware that they used 2 different LCD sources for the same models, that is quite strange. For 2 different models, no problem, but for 1 model, I would have expected that quality control would not tolerate such variations...
Good to know, now I cross finger for the colder hue (personal preference, i prefer colder displays in general)...
Every ODM/OEM does this. Apple does it too with iPhone and iPod Touch.
Yip - I noticed this too. Got mine this afternoon, had the TD1 since launch. Screen appears less vibrant - less white and less sharp
R
I have seen Diamonds with "cool" and Diamonds with "warm" screens. It's normal.
There must be an app for this, even in theory
the tcpmp app can change its' video output settings, and i know there are programs by nyditot for virtual screen sizes, we must be able to make a "display properties" app?
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the tcpmp app can change its' video output settings, and i know there are programs by nyditot for virtual screen sizes, we must be able to make a "display properties" app?
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Not so sure about that, the main reason why I have some doubt is that WinMo support only 16 bit colors (65535 different colors).
So basically there is 2 possibilities:
1) The colors are taken from a color lookup table coded on 24 bits, which give for each of the 65535 possibilities R, G and B value coded on 8 bits.
2) The colors are fixed, maybe using 5 bits for 32 levels of Red, 5 bit on Green, and 5 bits on Blue (1 bit may represent transparent state, or complementary, or be unused...)
if 1), easy, correcting the screen is just a matter of changing the colors in the lookup table, and with 8 bits (256 levels) to play with for R, G and B, you can fool the eye. Only problem is to find the lookup table in memory.
if 2), it is much more difficult (colors are hardcoded everywhere), and 32 levels is not enough to fool the eye anyways, it would lead to strange color effects, probably not worth it.
Last possibility, that the LCD controller of MSM7200 have some parameters that are software-tunable. Then, it may include a color correction.... I doubt this, but there is certainly somebody here that can tell
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wow, i was not aware that they used 2 different LCD sources for the same models, that is quite strange. For 2 different models, no problem, but for 1 model, I would have expected that quality control would not tolerate such variations.....
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Also quite common in flatscreen TVs, laptops and LCD monitors as well. Very common.
LCDs screens are more or less a commodity by now, so its just a matter of defining specs and size.
Visibility on sunlight
Hello good people, owners of D2...
I am now using Trinity, and I had Artemis before.
But before Artemis I had Axim x50v...
Eversince I have started using HTC devices, one thing bothers me very much.
I live in Israel, and as you probably know/heard , we have sunny days here, most time of the year. So, the problem is, to, actually, see anything on the screen of my HTC device,when I am outside, on sunlight. Dell wasn't perfect also (Nokia is still the best),but it was like 10 times better than HTC.
I am planning to upgrade to D2, but that visibility issue is crucial for me.
Few days ago I had a chance to play with HD, and saw that it has some "new
technology" screen, which was much more visible on sunlight.
Does D2 use same "new technology" screen, or , in general, is it well visible
on sunlight?
Thank you in advance!
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Hello good people, owners of D2...
I am now using Trinity, and I had Artemis before.
But before Artemis I had Axim x50v...
Eversince I have started using HTC devices, one thing bothers me very much.
I live in Israel, and as you probably know/heard , we have sunny days here, most time of the year. So, the problem is, to, actually, see anything on the screen of my HTC device,when I am outside, on sunlight. Dell wasn't perfect also (Nokia is still the best),but it was like 10 times better than HTC.
I am planning to upgrade to D2, but that visibility issue is crucial for me.
Few days ago I had a chance to play with HD, and saw that it has some "new
technology" screen, which was much more visible on sunlight.
Does D2 use same "new technology" screen, or , in general, is it well visible
on sunlight?
Thank you in advance!
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D2 is like or a little better than HD in sunlight
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D2 is like or a little better than HD in sunlight
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it's still not that good though!
I have to turn away from the sun to actually see anything on my screen
I have a TD2 my mate has a HD, yesterday we were comparing the screens outside in bright sunlight and to me, they both looked pretty similar - i.e still hard to read but better than my wifes LG Renoir which we coulcn't see at all. I have yet to come across any phone that performs really well in direct sunlight, not that it bothers me - don't get much sunshine where I live!!
Thank you very much for your answers, and for helping me to make a decision!
If it is like HD, it means it is much better than Trinity...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CoSQPuW2xA
I saw this video, and the yellow tint appears to be very prominent. I have two questions:
Is it really this bad in person, particularly regarding video playback? Can it possibly be a alleviated/fixed with a firmware update like on the iphone? http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2008/07/tip-updating-iphone-to-3a347-reduces-yellow-tinge.ars
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Aisorik said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CoSQPuW2xA
I saw this video, and the yellow tint appears to be very prominent. I have two questions:
Is it really this bad in person, particularly regarding video playback? Can it possibly be a alleviated/fixed with a firmware update like on the iphone? http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2008/07/tip-updating-iphone-to-3a347-reduces-yellow-tinge.ars
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You can not look at a photograph or video to determine the screens colour temperature or bias towards being a cold or warm white, this is because the equipment recording the screen is unlikely to be able to adjust it's white balance setting accurately, so you are not watching a true representation, and if was completely accurate, the white balance would then be as your monitor presents it.
On mine the screen the looks a warmer white compared to a Tytn II which looks more cold, both are absolutely okay.
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Phil
I've heard so many mixed perspectives.
The way I see it, S-OLED should be the best in the bunch.
Followed by OLED and then TFT..
I've heard about the nexus display looking "unnatural" from engadget, whatever that means..
Some people are saying that the upcoming sprint evo 4g has a brighter and simply better (4.3") screen.
Apart from the size, the screen technology is just TFT.
In the computer LCD world, i have heard more bad than good about TFT, so what's the deal?
Right now I have a 24" 1080p TFT LCD Monitor, and I think it's beautiful.
I haven't had much to compare it to though.
It's not the greatest screen I've seen, but it's definitely nice.
I have both an HD2 and a Nexus One. The HD2 has a 4.3" TFT display and looks gorgeous. It doesn't have a very defined pixel grid look that you can see if you stare at your Nexus One up close, so it looks more blended.
On the flip side, the Nexus One's vibrancy is hands down better. While watching movies on the HD2, I loved the size of the image, but to be honest, I prefer the color of the Nexus One's screen.
Outside in the sunlight, the HD2 wins. It still gets horrible glare, but no where near as bad as the Nexus One.
With all of that being said, I prefer the Nexus One's screen. Not going to talk about the size differences and their pros and cons, because that's a separate subject altogether. I'm mostly indoors for my job, and being a graphics designer, I enjoy the contrast that the OLED screen can deliver. It's not exactly color accurate, but since this is a phone and not being used as a design device, it doesn't matter...it looks gorgeous. So long as people don't appear as orange aliens, I enjoy the contrast. (Go stare at some of the TVs on display in major retail stores...they jack the contrast up to ridiculous levels to try to wow the viewer, but make things look downright stupid)
I see, that's pretty much like I expected.
The OLED displays will have a more pixel grid display because each pixel is actually a tiny LED. For me that's fine, as long as its not blatant.
So then the best choice would probably be AMOLED that's good in sunlight aka super amoled.
Have you tried playing with the brightness in the sunlight?
I haven't actually experienced an amoled screen yet, but i would think that if you turned the brightness up to max it would like quite okay in the sun.
At least that's how my G1 (TFT LCD) was.
Thanks for the input btw!
From the start I could not understand the positive voices for the AMOLED display. I had a Galaxy and I hated it. Now I have the Nexus and I hate the UNNATURAL colours. They are ghastly! If I had the choice between a Nexus with TFT or AMOLED screen I would certainly pick a TFT.
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I have both an HD2 and a Nexus One. The HD2 has a 4.3" TFT display and looks gorgeous. It doesn't have a very defined pixel grid look that you can see if you stare at your Nexus One up close, so it looks more blended.
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isnt the supersonics screen a little brighter and more vibrant than the hd2? it sure seemed soo in the pictures and videos i saw
I have the two available high-end android devices - the Milestone (GSM version of the Droid, though with non-unlockable bootloader :-( ) and the Nexus One.
The 'stone has a 854x480 TFT, and the N1 has an 800x480 AMOLED.
Inside, the N1 screen wins - it is incredibly bright, less battery hungry, and has notably better contrast. The Milestone is good, but the N1 is better.
Another N1 advantage is that, even though both screens are 3.7 inches, the milestone is taller and narrower in portrait mode, making the portrait-mode keyboard harder to use for those of us with freakishly-large hands.
Outside, however, it just isn't even close. The Milestone is the best color screen I've ever seen on a large screen phone under bright light. It is absolutely usable in bright sunlight - you can take photos, check out a youtube video, read your RSS feeds, tweets, maps, whatever with absolutely no problem at all. The N1 is almost unusable in direct sunlight - there is just too much glare from the substrate and touch layers. And if you are also wearing sunglasses, forget it, you can't see a thing. Even an iPhone 3GS or iPod Touch (3rd gen) are mush less readable in bright conditions than the Milestone.
Samsung's new S-AMOLED is meant to bond the touch layer into the AMOLED surface directly, taking out a glare / difraction / etc. layer, and making the screen good in bright light. I have my doubts that it will be as good as a strong TFT in those conditions, but we'll see. It will certainly be thinner, better indoors and less power hungry
I don't have yet a N1 but I had the samsung Jet back in fall ,it had an amoled screen. It was quite good under sunlight,colors are washed out but you can clearly read SMS text or use the menu.
Now playing games in summer at the beach at 12am...forget about it and try take spy pics of string gurls with your 5mp
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I see, that's pretty much like I expected.
The OLED displays will have a more pixel grid display because each pixel is actually a tiny LED. For me that's fine, as long as its not blatant.
So then the best choice would probably be AMOLED that's good in sunlight aka super amoled.
Have you tried playing with the brightness in the sunlight?
I haven't actually experienced an amoled screen yet, but i would think that if you turned the brightness up to max it would like quite okay in the sun.
At least that's how my G1 (TFT LCD) was.
Thanks for the input btw!
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Yeah, even with the Nexus One set to 100%, the readability is around the HD2 with 50-60% brightness outside. Thankfully it is only a problem in direct sunlight.
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isnt the supersonics screen a little brighter and more vibrant than the hd2? it sure seemed soo in the pictures and videos i saw
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I believe they are the same screen in both devices, but could be wrong. We'll have to wait until they can do a proper side by side with the exact same lightness settings.
A 4.3" Super AMOLED screen would be nice. I would never buy a phone with a bigger display than that, because it would become uncomfortable to use, and at that point, you might as well just buy a tablet.
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From the start I could not understand the positive voices for the AMOLED display. I had a Galaxy and I hated it. Now I have the Nexus and I hate the UNNATURAL colours. They are ghastly! If I had the choice between a Nexus with TFT or AMOLED screen I would certainly pick a TFT.
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I would suggest you have a screen that is defective if it has really noticeable colour deviations.
Obviously it's not a properly colour calibrated display, but everything looks perfectly natural on mine (skin tones etc), with no significant over saturation or hue shifts.
yeah, I'm a big outdoor guy and not looking forward to dealing with this screen outdoors....sucks.
Whatever happened to transflective technology...loved that on my old tilt.
Guys, aren't there screen cover/protectors that deflect or whatever and that make the screen readable in sunlight?
thanks
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yeah, I'm a big outdoor guy and not looking forward to dealing with this screen outdoors....sucks.
Whatever happened to transflective technology...loved that on my old tilt.
Guys, aren't there screen cover/protectors that deflect or whatever and that make the screen readable in sunlight?
thanks
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There are anti-glare protectors that help eliminate some of the glare by dispursing it better, but even then it's still pretty bad. The main issue is due to having no backlight like a TFT.
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I would suggest you have a screen that is defective if it has really noticeable colour deviations.
Obviously it's not a properly colour calibrated display, but everything looks perfectly natural on mine (skin tones etc), with no significant over saturation or hue shifts.
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No, there is nothing wrong with the colour calibration. Girlfriend has also got a Nexus and I have seen others and even on photos here on the internet you can see the unnatural colours of the screen.
Have a look at the first post where you can find the question, if it were true that the colours are unnatural referring to Engadget. And yes, the colours are unnatural. I like the Nexus, do not get me wrong, but I do not like the colours of AMOLED screens. They are awful.
rockky said:
yeah, I'm a big outdoor guy and not looking forward to dealing with this screen outdoors....sucks.
Whatever happened to transflective technology...loved that on my old tilt.
Guys, aren't there screen cover/protectors that deflect or whatever and that make the screen readable in sunlight?
thanks
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There are definitely protectors that do that, but I don't like the feel of anything but glass on a touch screen.. That's just me though.
Hey I noticed in your sig that you have an iphone and nexus, how would you compare the two? The screen and everything else (you should make another thread for that though).
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Yeah, even with the Nexus One set to 100%, the readability is around the HD2 with 50-60% brightness outside. Thankfully it is only a problem in direct sunlight.
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Damn that's pretty bad, cause with the TFT on my G1 I always had to turn it up to max to get a decent display.
So assuming the HD2 is similar (same technology), then AMOLED must be pretty bad in sunlight.
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I don't have yet a N1 but I had the samsung Jet back in fall ,it had an amoled screen. It was quite good under sunlight,colors are washed out but you can clearly read SMS text or use the menu.
Now playing games in summer at the beach at 12am...forget about it and try take spy pics of string gurls with your 5mp
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Lol, spy pics.
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I have the two available high-end android devices - the Milestone (GSM version of the Droid, though with non-unlockable bootloader :-( ) and the Nexus One.
The 'stone has a 854x480 TFT, and the N1 has an 800x480 AMOLED.
Inside, the N1 screen wins - it is incredibly bright, less battery hungry, and has notably better contrast. The Milestone is good, but the N1 is better.
Another N1 advantage is that, even though both screens are 3.7 inches, the milestone is taller and narrower in portrait mode, making the portrait-mode keyboard harder to use for those of us with freakishly-large hands.
Outside, however, it just isn't even close. The Milestone is the best color screen I've ever seen on a large screen phone under bright light. It is absolutely usable in bright sunlight - you can take photos, check out a youtube video, read your RSS feeds, tweets, maps, whatever with absolutely no problem at all. The N1 is almost unusable in direct sunlight - there is just too much glare from the substrate and touch layers. And if you are also wearing sunglasses, forget it, you can't see a thing. Even an iPhone 3GS or iPod Touch (3rd gen) are mush less readable in bright conditions than the Milestone.
Samsung's new S-AMOLED is meant to bond the touch layer into the AMOLED surface directly, taking out a glare / difraction / etc. layer, and making the screen good in bright light. I have my doubts that it will be as good as a strong TFT in those conditions, but we'll see. It will certainly be thinner, better indoors and less power hungry
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I know the AMOLED's are pretty great indoors, but when you say incredibly bright... If viewing late at night in bed for example, is it too bright even on the lowest setting?
I'd like a phone that can be very dim or very bright.
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From the start I could not understand the positive voices for the AMOLED display. I had a Galaxy and I hated it. Now I have the Nexus and I hate the UNNATURAL colours. They are ghastly! If I had the choice between a Nexus with TFT or AMOLED screen I would certainly pick a TFT.
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Have you compared side-by-side? I can't believe that they're THAT bad.
@topdnbass
Have you compared side-by-side? I can't believe that they're THAT bad.
Yes, I have. I do it all the time, as I have still a G1 to compare the Nexus with. If it is "THAT bad" I can't say only that I do not like it and that I would certainly prefer a TFT if had the choice.
Why do you think did the guys from Engadget think the colours to be "unnatural"?
In the end it might not matter that much as it doesn't reduce the functions of the gadget. Other people might even like it, I do not.
S.
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@topdnbass
Have you compared side-by-side? I can't believe that they're THAT bad.
Yes, I have. I do it all the time, as I have still a G1 to compare the Nexus with. If it is "THAT bad" I can't say only that I do not like it and that I would certainly prefer a TFT if had the choice.
Why do you think did the guys from Engadget think the colours to be "unnatural"?
In the end it might not matter that much as it doesn't reduce the functions of the gadget. Other people might even like it, I do not.
S.
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i personally love it..the colors pop out they look gorgeous
Compared to TFT capacitive screens Amoled are less good under sunlight but they are still usable and certainly much more than HTC WM phones like Diamond and Touch HD
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@topdnbass
Have you compared side-by-side? I can't believe that they're THAT bad.
Yes, I have. I do it all the time, as I have still a G1 to compare the Nexus with. If it is "THAT bad" I can't say only that I do not like it and that I would certainly prefer a TFT if had the choice.
Why do you think did the guys from Engadget think the colours to be "unnatural"?
In the end it might not matter that much as it doesn't reduce the functions of the gadget. Other people might even like it, I do not.
S.
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You seem to put a lot of faith in what Engadget says. I'm not saying that everything is perfectly flat, but I have a few hundred perfectly-exposed photos from my Nikon D90, all taken with pro glass, on my Nexus, and the colors are not bad at all. They are, well, let's call them "well saturated", but nothing remotely unpleasant - to be honest, given the tiny screen (I take photos be be blown up BIG), the saturation is probably an advantage. And they look notably, even considerably better on the N1 than on an iPhone / iPod touch third-gen.
All of that is my opinion - and I like saturated colors. But I also like skin that still looks like skin, and the N1 delivers that to my eyes.
Gee, didn't I say that it is my opinion and that others might think differently? What you call saturated colours I call unnatural and for me and maybe only for me the colours are an eyesore, but I like the Nexus nevertheless.
big_adventure, you gave me a thought.
I think the best way to really compare these technologies is to have the same image of something, like a HQ picture of your skin.
On both of the phones.
Then compare the output to eachother and to the real life color of your skin.
I said to compare to eachother because a cameras snapshot can change the color, flash, settings, and what not.
Sounds stupid, but maybe what some people define as unnatural on a display, is actually quite natural.
Don't compare how the android OS looks, compare an image within the OS.
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Now playing games in summer at the beach at 12am...forget about it and try take spy pics of string gurls with your 5mp
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Well, if you are going to be wandering around a beach at midnight you probably won't run into too many girls to take pictures of. And they'd probably notice the flash going off so it wouldn't be much of a "spy shot".
(Edit: To be fair, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12-hour_clock#Confusion_at_noon_and_midnight mentions that am/pm by definition don't make any sense for noon and midnight and are thus often confused. But, the sources it quotes that do assign meaning to 12am and 12pm all seem to call 12am midnight and 12pm noon. It's probably why most of the parking signs in SF are now starting to use "12:01am" when they want to talk about late night street cleaning restrictions...that, and the fact that 12am is also ambiguous as to whether it refers to the start of a day or the end of a day...)
Hi everybody. My first post . Ive been reading lots of threads for a couple of weeks. I decided to make an account to get some help with topics and also help others out where I can .
Im looking to buy myself a Google Nexus One. However theres a few things which im not sure on about the screen.
1. How badly do fingerprints show up? Is it really noticeable? I currently have an iphone 3gs which shows finger prints, but its not that bad and cant see them when the phone is on.
2. How "Good/Bad" is the Nexus One screen? By this I mean from videos I have watched on youtube the nexus one screen always looks darker and other screens look so much brighter and just more inviting. How noticeable is it?
Thanks for all the help. If my questions have been answered before (recently) please post the link of that thread
1. fingerprints showup given the screen doesn't have a oleophobic coating unlike the 3gs.
2. screens nice with great color contrast BUT you can't see it in the sunlight. light literally reflects off the screen.
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Hi everybody. My first post . Ive been reading lots of threads for a couple of weeks. I decided to make an account to get some help with topics and also help others out where I can .
Im looking to buy myself a Google Nexus One. However theres a few things which im not sure on about the screen.
1. How badly do fingerprints show up? Is it really noticeable? I currently have an iphone 3gs which shows finger prints, but its not that bad and cant see them when the phone is on.
It's not treated with an hydrophobic treatment, so not as good as iphone but I use a screen protector and I do not care about prints.
2. How "Good/Bad" is the Nexus One screen? By this I mean from videos I have watched on youtube the nexus one screen always looks darker and other screens look so much brighter and just more inviting. How noticeable is it?
huh? It's an OLED screen! it's gorgeous but need to be full power outside to be visible
Thanks for all the help. If my questions have been answered before (recently) please post the link of that thread
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Newer Nexus one will have SLCD, I have no idea how they compare...
Welcome to XDA! I find the N1 screen as good as or better than most others with the same size.
I have a iPhone 3G and fingerprints and brightness have always seemed the same with it and the N1. The 3GS has a coating to help with smears so it might beat the N1, but a screen protector could easily fix that.
Below is the real difference. That's the iPhone 3G on the left, which has the same display as the 3GS, and the Nexus One on the right. Photo was taken with both on 100% brightness on both, which is why the sky looks washed out.
The nexus screen is just fantastic in my opinion, the amoled colors just pop out more than any other screen I've seen. It's just beautiful
Screen looks fantastic, but the multitouch is messed up.
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Screen looks fantastic, but the multitouch is messed up.
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Whats wrong with it?
I got something here.
Compare the screen to an LCD TV.
The screen on the N1 is fantastic.
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Whats wrong with it?
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it can only track 2 fingers, not 3 or more. and there is an axis crossing problem which does not effect anything unless you are a hardcore gamer where the inputs would cross axis. most games dont have input axis in the same plain anyway, so not too big an issue.
the actual display panel is great.. i prefer the color saturation and dark black over the high pixel density of the iphone4 LCD...
what sucks is the touchscreen hardware... i dont care too much about the lack of true multitouch but it is really "off" sometimes.. i get way more typos on the keyboard than when i had my iphone 1G and randomly the touch registers about a half inch off from where i touch
I see. Well maybe it was just me eyes then because you guys have all given it positive reviews pretty much. thanks for that
Has anyone who needed to replace their phone with a refurb recieved one with a SLCD? I am wondering because of the whole amoled shortage and all. (I prefer SLCD over AMOLED)
Haven't heard of any on the boards here... Oh, congratz on your Nexus For some reason I thought u had a HD2
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Haven't heard of any on the boards here... Oh, congratz on your Nexus For some reason I thought u had a HD2
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LOL, I did, just sold it XD. I will report when i get my refurb soon, just need enough money so they can see that I am good to send to. I really dislike the unaligned "pixels" on AMOLED screens. SuperAMOLED or SuperLCD FTW.
I just swapped mine out with HTC and the replacement has an amoled screen. Did they even start selling the super lcd's?
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LOL, I did, just sold it XD. I will report when i get my refurb soon, just need enough money so they can see that I am good to send to. I really dislike the unaligned "pixels" on AMOLED screens. SuperAMOLED or SuperLCD FTW.
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i'm with you on that one. i also have an AMOLED Nexus One and i HATE the pentile arrangement. It's a joke that the inventors claim that the differences are not visible from certain distance, because i can see them very clearly at normal distance.
I'm just waiting for the Dev Phone to be sold with SLCD and then i'm going to buy one and sell my AMOLED version.
i just got my phone back from htc and it looks like i got a brand new one so how can i tell if i got AMO or SLCD?
thanks
Just look at it to tell the difference. Does it have the pentile display? (oled) Or does the black look washed out? (lcd)
i dunno im so used to my g1 cuz i took forever to send it in, it just looks so good i cant tell, i'll wait until my buddy stops by with his so i can compare
i just got a new phone from htc (my old one i turned in for warranty repairs) and it came with an amoled screen. i was kinda worried about getting the slcd since i did the swap right around the time of the announcement.
I wish they would do that. I don't mind blacks being a tiny bit greyer, so long as everything is symmetrical and easy to look at. It took me like 3 days just to tolerate text or anything on the screen.
~~Tito~~ said:
I wish they would do that. I don't mind blacks being a tiny bit greyer, so long as everything is symmetrical and easy to look at. It took me like 3 days just to tolerate text or anything on the screen.
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yep, compared to some old WVGA LCD screens like on the Touch Diamond 2 (hell, even the td1 display was great) or the Motorola Milestone, the Nexus One AMOLED PenTile display looks like utter garbage when showing text.
Reading this fuzzy text for a longer period of time is really bad for the eyes. Nexus One was a superphone in many areas when it was released, but the display was a major step backwards.
I don't know what's the fuzz about SLCD. There are comparison videos online you can look up. SLCD obviously is worse that AMOLED. The brightness, color vibrancy, and visible angle are all worse than AMOLED.
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hbkmog said:
I don't know what's the fuzz about SLCD. There are comparison videos online you can look up. SLCD obviously is worse that AMOLED. The brightness, color vibrancy, and visible angle are all worse than AMOLED.
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X2!!! indeed!!!
Replacement phones are refurbished n1's, and since SLCD on nexus was announced after the consumer version was discontinued and there have been no reports of the dev phone having SLCD, I would say that it is safe to assume there is not going to be any SLCD anytime soon.
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yep, compared to some old WVGA LCD screens like on the Touch Diamond 2 (hell, even the td1 display was great) or the Motorola Milestone, the Nexus One AMOLED PenTile display looks like utter garbage when showing text.
Reading this fuzzy text for a longer period of time is really bad for the eyes. Nexus One was a superphone in many areas when it was released, but the display was a major step backwards.
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Didn't someone mention that the fuzzy text can be corrected by the driver of the display? Currently the text ant-aliasing is suitable for traditional RGB subpixel layout, but it is possible to correct this on a pentile subpixel display. I wonder how probable this is. Some people said that text look sharp on the Galaxy S. Maybe Samsung has corrected this issue with software?
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Replacement phones are refurbished n1's, and since SLCD on nexus was announced after the consumer version was discontinued and there have been no reports of the dev phone having SLCD, I would say that it is safe to assume there is not going to be any SLCD anytime soon.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtube_gdata_player&v=gUF4dLVdFKc
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtube_gdata_player&v=gUF4dLVdFKc
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Hmmm, I would rather Have the darkness of AMOLED, and the pixel alignment of an LCD.
Hmmm Monday I will be able to order the refurb, paypal is stupid and makes money transfers to and from the bank 3-5 days long. So I cant have the money on hold yet to do it.
I would also like to know! AMOLED and SLCD which is better?
I am getting my refurb soon hopefully. I will post what I get.
Engadget's review is out and one of the negative things they had to say about the Optimus 4X was the screen. They say that the screen isn't bonded to the front glass, resulting to not having that "floating icons" feel and more importantly, poor viewing angles.
Where did you see "poor viewing angles"? I am watching the review right now and it says respectable viewing angles. Besides the screen is very bright.. At least in the GSMArena test..
18:20 of their video review. He didn't literally say "poor viewing angles", but I think that's what he means when he said "it just goes away". That's doesn't sound too "respectable".
I haven't noticed poor viewing angles at all. I can still see the screen at obscure angles.
Its no more or less visible at angles than my HTC Sensation was. IMHO, the screen is amazing on this device. Pin Sharp, natural colour reproduction, I have a wallpaper from Zedge of a forest with "God rays" shining through, looks simply amazing on this phone to me.
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I haven't noticed poor viewing angles at all. I can still see the screen at obscure angles.
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Don't the colors get washed out more and more as you look at the screen at increasing angles?
Not really no, a tiny bit maybe but not worse than my sensation. Id call it more of a tint than a wash out, and surely a phone is a single user device, why do viewing angles matter that much?
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I get your point but I would still want a screen with great viewing angles.
Sharpshooterrr said:
I get your point but I would still want a screen with great viewing angles.
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I think it does, to be honest, I was actually surprised how well I could see the screen from steep angles, considering what some have said.
The problem is, the best way to know if you will be happy is to see one in the flesh, but thats not so easy when it isnt available worldwide yet.
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I get your point but I would still want a screen with great viewing angles.
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its not so bad tbh
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/61800751/VIDEO0002.3gp
stesa said:
its not so bad tbh
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/61800751/VIDEO0002.3gp
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Is that a One X on the right?
Sharpshooterrr said:
Is that a One X on the right?
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yes sir
Sharpshooterrr said:
I get your point but I would still want a screen with great viewing angles.
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honestly why would anyone look at their phone from a 170 degree angle or even just 90? worthless requirement, just to say mine is better than yours. when all viewing angles from left/right/top/bottom works and equally the same within the 0-20/30 degree viewing, its as good as it should.
As long as its sharp and true colours represented and details are there representing all colours as they should, i am happy.
I own the 4X and let me tell you the viewing angles are superb under normal light conditions. There is some visible glare under strong direct sunlight and viewing angles do become a bit worse but you won't have any trouble with it. It's quite good under direct sunlight.
For one I'm glad I choose 4x over S3 ore One X.
for me the 4x have the best display,very high ppi, i like the galaxy s3,but dont like the super amoled just because its a pentile display and the pixel are not tru hd
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for me the 4x have the best display,very high ppi, i like the galaxy s3,but dont like the super amoled just because its a pentile display and the pixel are not tru hd
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What's worse is all Amoleds have burn in or image retention that will happen in about a year or so.
What's worse is all Amoleds have burn in or image retention that will happen in about a year or so.
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Not convinced by this. I'm thinking of updating from an HTC Desire, which has an AMOLED, and it's beautiful. I have no problems with burn in. Maybe that happens if you leave the screen on for a couple of weeks on the same image, but that's hardly likely.
One of my big concerns is the 4x screen won't look as good in comparison. What's the brightness like anyone?
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Not convinced by this. I'm thinking of updating from an HTC Desire, which has an AMOLED, and it's beautiful. I have no problems with burn in. Maybe that happens if you leave the screen on for a couple of weeks on the same image, but that's hardly likely.
One of my big concerns is the 4x screen won't look as good in comparison. What's the brightness like anyone?
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I did exatly what you're thinking about!!
I've had the HTC Desire for a little over 2 years, and bought the 4x a couple of weeks ago.
Yes the Desire has a good screen, but the one on the 4x i way better!!
I always used the autobrightnes on the Desire, but it was often very hard to see the screen in the sunshine.
On the 4x the autobrightness works a little different. You set a base point, and the autobrightness changes relative to that.
That way it doesn't turn the brightness all the way up or all the way down.
I've set it to a base point of 20% brightness, at it gives me a screen that are easier to read outside then the desire ever did.
So if the screen is you only worry, go right ahead and buy the 4x. It's a big improvement over your HTC Desire.
The only thing I miss from the Desire is the notification LED (and ofcouse ROOT, but I'm sure that will come soon!!! :laugh: )
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Not convinced by this. ... What's the brightness like anyone?
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i had a SAMSUNG GALAXY S with S-AMOLED before the O4X.
Amoled screens have perfect blacks , but those of the SGS and the Desire have also wrong "funky" colors
The le LG screen does not have perfect blacks, but is brighter , sharper (because of the pentile matrix, there is no amoled that sharp on the market) and has realistic colors.
talking about angle . what i can say is that i can watch the film, or read any message of someone sitting next to me ...
so for me the angle is not an issue: at an extreme position, it becomes dark, but the angle is so wide that, even if it could be clearer, it would also be unreadable with any type of screen technology.
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I did exatly what you're thinking about!! ... So if the screen is you only worry, go right ahead and buy the 4x. It's a big improvement over your HTC Desire.
The only thing I miss from the Desire is the notification LED (and ofcouse ROOT, but I'm sure that will come soon!!! :laugh: )
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Cheers for the detailed reply. Nice to know it's better in sunlight, because I always found the Desire was awful.
I tend not to use auto-brightness though in fear of it draining the battery to much. I just had my Desire at 15% and that worked fine in most situations, except bright outdoors
Once your battery is low and you put your phone on charge, what sort of screen-on time do you normally have? I found typically I'd have 2 hours of screen-time from my Desire by the end of a day, 15 hours or so off the charger, and that would be about 20% battery remaining. What's it like for the 4x?
Unfortunately the LED is probably the biggest killer for me then. I love having the light on the Desire, especially since I've got it rooted and Handcent can use blue and pink and stuff. Looks awesome I know one isn't supposed to play the waiting game, but I'd hate it if I bought the 4x and then in 2 months time, a phone with similar specs and an LED came out :S
Such difficult decisions...