Two parts to this question-
1st part kind of a poll. Who thinks it is necessary or helpful to put a screen protector on the T-Mo HD2, and why?
Of course I want to protect the screen on my HD2, as much as possible. I think the screen is already scratch resistant, and I am not sure if a screen protector would add anything in that regard. I don't see how a screen protector could possibly protect against breakage, or internal LCD damage.
I have seen some reports, of screen sensitivity being diminished by screen protectors.
Of course the companies that make them, will try to sell people on it. That is called "manufactured demand", creating a need that isn't there.
Your opinion? Do they really help protect the phone?
I am about to purchase some items from Amazon. I see they have one screen protector (manufacturer Amzer) for $6.95 with free shipping (if total order is more than $25, which mine is). I haven't heard of that company before, but it sounds good from the description (no user reviews). (It even says "anti-reflective" and "free from fingerprints", and those are two problems the screen has--fingerprint magnet, and very reflective. Don't know if those claims are true though.) Has anyone tried this brand? Any good?
The link for that is: http://www.amazon.com/Amzer-Screen-..._14?ie=UTF8&s=wireless&qid=1281121428&sr=8-14
They even have some cheaper, a dollar or less, with $3 shipping. Do a search on Amazon for HD2 screen protector.
The following link includes a rubber case such as the one that comes with the unit, plus a screen protector, for $1.54 +2.98 shipping: http://www.amazon.com/HTC-T-Mobile-...1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1281121428&sr=8-1
Another is only 46 cents plus shipping.
Are there really any differences in these? They are only tiny pieces of plastic. Seems like they should cost less than a buck, not $10 or $15, as some do.
In any case, I am thinking of getting the Amzer, as it can have free shipping with the rest of my order, and sounds good. Anyone here used it?
Still undecided though--whether there is any point in getting a screen protector at all, or just one of those "manufactured demand" products, that really doesn't help anything.
Opinions?
Between this forum and the official T-Mobile forum on their website, I'm seeing quite a few instances of shattered LCD screens from people dropping their HD2s. You'll also see that there are now many replacement screens showing up on eBay, for example. My point is that you might consider acquiring more than just a screen protector for your HD2.
I personally purchased an Otterbox Defender case for my HD2. It has a built-in screen protector as one of its layers of protection, and the multi-part case appears to thoroughly protect the phone (including from my 7 year old). There are lots of cases out there, so I'm not actually suggesting that you get one from Otterbox (and I don't work for them). Some people say, for example, the the Defender case is overkill, and makes the phone too bulky for their taste.
I'm just saying that a $100 to $300 phone might warrant more than a screen protector.
in my opinion there is no such thing as to much protection
My car has airbags everywhere ,but i still wear my seat belt
def put a screen protector, that is the first thing you do when you get a phone like the hd2
Most things break when you drop them... it's called gravity. There's no solution for clumsiness you'll have to get something like the otterbox for some gravity proof protection. I've considered getting the otterbox myself but it takes away so much of the aesthetics of the phone....
My HD2 has a screen protector and a well padded leather case.... i've been doing this for all my previous phones. Sure i've had some slips and tumbles but the leather case protects most the impacts no problems.
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Most things break when you drop them... it's called gravity.
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A tennis ball doesn't break when you drop it!
Seriously, one would think that they might have strong enough materials available today, so that a phoine would not break if dropped.
But certainly--a screen protector would not protect one iota against dropping!
What exactly, does a screen protector protect against?
Do you also put one on your laptop screen?
If scratches on the screen bother you, screen protector will help with preventing that. The HD2 is not as scratch resistance as some of the youtube videos lead you to believe. I am careful with mine and still manages to get some minor scratches on it. When it comes to preventing the phone from breaking during a drop, I think your best bet is a otterbox defender.
I put a screen protector on my HD2 I have no sensativity issues but the feel of the screen protector is obvious when you slide your finger on the screen. My wife does not have the screen protector and it feels smooth to the touch but there is no difference as far as sensativity goes I used a zagg invisible shiled.
No scratches on my screen eventhough I carry it with keys and coins in front pocket sometimes. Only cracked screen from dropping it! Getting Otterbox Commuter case for my new replacement HD2 but NO screen protector. This screen doesn't get scratched very easily at all.
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Between this forum and the official T-Mobile forum on their website, I'm seeing quite a few instances of shattered LCD screens from people dropping their HD2s.
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I say get it...
Filed my insurance claim today, should get it tomorrow. Free next day air.
Oh, and bought commuter case too. A bit late it seems though..
No screen protector would have prevented that. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Probably not, but since that incident, i'm going all out.
Thanks for the links!
I have one of the Invisible shield covers on mine & i like the feeling of knowing if the protector comes off ill get to see the screen BRAND NEW while i'm replacing the cover.
On an ass-backwards note, i also have the Body Glove case with the kickstand from T-Mobile and the only reason is for the kickstand. It feels like if i dropped the phone the case would shatter my phone would be goin to bed dead.
I am pretty careful with my stuff but as others have mentioned, theres no such thing as too much... im probably going to order that same black case though.
as for the screen, you never know... i'd rather be safe than sorry. I feel putting a $10 screen protector on a $500 phone isnt a big deal.
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If it's cold enough it will...lol
Seriously... Otterbox rules!
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Seriously, one would think that they might have strong enough materials available today, so that a phoine would not break if dropped.
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Well, materials like that do exist, ones that could make the phone near indestructable. Unfortunately, they're prohibitively bulky or expensive and would jack up the price and/or size of the phone. The treated glass used on the screen is the best attempt at a compromise on this that's really available.
I've honestly been using my HD2 since March with nothing but the rubber cover that HTC provided in the box, and I have yet to get a single scratch on it...but, I know I'm probably just fortunate with that. I have a screen protector on my TP2, and I know that it's definitely saved me from scratches on a number of occassions....but then again that screen isn't anywhere near as hard as the one on the HD2.
I've got an otterbox commuter series case on the way now, but I'll probably try it without the screen protector at first. I reeeeeally like the feel of the bare glass
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Well, materials like that do exist, ones that could make the phone near indestructable. Unfortunately, they're prohibitively bulky or expensive and would jack up the price and/or size of the phone. The treated glass used on the screen is the best attempt at a compromise on this that's really available.
I've honestly been using my HD2 since March with nothing but the rubber cover that HTC provided in the box, and I have yet to get a single scratch on it...but, I know I'm probably just fortunate with that. I have a screen protector on my TP2, and I know that it's definitely saved me from scratches on a number of occassions....but then again that screen isn't anywhere near as hard as the one on the HD2.
I've got an otterbox commuter series case on the way now, but I'll probably try it without the screen protector at first. I reeeeeally like the feel of the bare glass
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Corning developed a glass many years ago that was dubbed "Gorilla glass" for its toughness and durability. I used to work summers for them, and at the time it was a nice invention that no one could find a use for -- we didn't have widescreen computer monitors or HDTVs, or cell phones, for that matter. Besides, it was considered expensive to manufacture. I read recently that Corning is now testing this old, very tough but thin glass for use in large TV screens and, soon, for cell phone screens. Maybe this will increase the durability of the touch screens for future phones. But for now, cases and screen protectors (should) rule the day.
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Corning developed a glass many years ago that was dubbed "Gorilla glass" for its toughness and durability. I used to work summers for them, and at the time it was a nice invention that no one could find a use for -- we didn't have widescreen computer monitors or HDTVs, or cell phones, for that matter. Besides, it was considered expensive to manufacture. I read recently that Corning is now testing this old, very tough but thin glass for use in large TV screens and, soon, for cell phone screens. Maybe this will increase the durability of the touch screens for future phones. But for now, cases and screen protectors (should) rule the day.
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Yes, actually Gorilla glass has already been used on a cellphone (or more than one perhaps), I belive the Motorola Droid was the first one. From what I understand, the HD2 doesn't have the acutal Gorilla Glass, but rather some similar hardness treatment.
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I've got an otterbox commuter series case on the way now, but I'll probably try it without the screen protector at first. I reeeeeally like the feel of the bare glass
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Where did you find an Otterbox Commuter case to fit a TMO-US HTC HD2? I've checked on eBay and Amazon and they only have the Int'l version available.
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Where did you find an Otterbox Commuter case to fit a TMO-US HTC HD2? I've checked on eBay and Amazon and they only have the Int'l version available.
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At otterbox of course.
http://www.otterbox.com/htc-cases/h...cases-u.s./htc-hd2-commuter-series-case-u.s./
And to add to the whole screen protector on mine. I never had one until I dropped it and it landed face down on a pile of small hard dry rocks. Then slid across the ground. It made two small but noticeable deep scratches.
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At otterbox of course.
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I should have figured that. I'm just not a fan of paying retail. Otterbox sells their cases for 50% more than sites like Amazon, NewEgg, and eBay. Now that the U.S. version's supply is becoming more available my guess is that these places will begin selling the U.S. version as well.
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Hey y'all
i have an at&t Samsung Captivate,
its really a great phone,i also use an Samsung Wave which has the same
Spec and the same glass.
i have the Captivate for 2 days and allready have scratches,really tiny one's.
i used the Samsung Wave for 6 month's and dont have 1 scratch at all!
how can it be?? the same glass (the Wave's glass feel's much more thicker then the Captivate's glass)
buy a cheap screen protector on ebay if you do care ...
I don't think that anyone said it was 'unscratchable'. If they did, they don't know what they were talking about, I mean Corning doesn't even claim that:
http://www.corninggorillaglass.com/characteristics
It is more resistant to large scratches and pitting because it's produced more like a ceramic composite than soda glass.
Little scratches won't impact functionality, but I'm surprised people don't use cases and screen protectors these days. I have a full body ZAGG AND an Otterbox Commuter on mine. I find even the silicone cases can rub the finish off of phones a little bit.
The thickness of the glass won't affect how well it resists scratching. It should help prevent it from cracking though.
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(the Wave's glass feel's much more thicker then the Captivate's glass)
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I beat the living crap out of my phone when its in my pocket (change, keys, etc..) and my screen is fine. You putting it in your pocket with sand paper or something?
And I agree this thing is a bit slippery if it doesn't have a case on it.. but the one I had was too bulky.
I don't have a screen protector, I don't have a case. Had a screen protector, it was alright, but I removed it; prefer the feel of the naked glass. I would not even consider destroying the sleekness of my phone by putting it in some gross case.
I have a pocket that's dedicated to my phone. I don't drop it. I clean the screen with a fog of breath on the left shoulder of whatever sweatshirt I'm wearing. It has no scratches and is pure as hell.
My general theory is that if you don't want to treat your phone well and want it jangling around in backpacks, laptop cases and/or and pockets full of junk, by all means cover it up. Otherwise, treat it well and you won't have to worry.
just orderd ZAGG screen protector (10$) and Otterbox (13$) for the Captivate via Ebay
hope it works...
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just orderd ZAGG screen protector (10$) and Otterbox (13$) for the Captivate via Ebay
hope it works...
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what were you doing to that phone, had mine for a long time and the screen is still in mint condition, and i cant stand screen protectors, so its a good thing this screen is tough
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what were you doing to that phone, had mine for a long time and the screen is still in mint condition, and i cant stand screen protectors, so its a good thing this screen is tough
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nothing...just sitting in my pocket without any sharp thingys :\
I have had 2 captivates. One with a full Zagg which covers every inch of the phone with clear plastic of some kind, and just the screen protector on the other.
I have ORD (Obsessive Romming Disease and can be found on this site if you need to admit your disorder, lmao) and the full skin started peeling off because I was taking it out of my case so much. The screen protector itself is not completely smooth or very slick, but it seems that small scratches seem to repair themselves. I am a pipefitter so that should tell you how rough I am on phones hanging on my pocket everyday. weld splatter, dust, dirt, scrapes, rolled over on, so it must be a tough phone. I had to replace the other one because of the random shutdown issue of Captivates made before November.
My Captivate is so fast I need a seatbelt!!!
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simple question that I'm asking myself since I got my n7: should I buy a screen protector or not? I would hate to get scratches on this awesome screen... but maybe the glass is tough enough by itself, like the motorola defy's?
what are your thoughts/experiences?
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simple question that I'm asking myself since I got my n7: should I buy a screen protector or not? I would hate to get scratches on this awesome screen... but maybe the glass is tough enough by itself, like the motorola defy's?
what are your thoughts/experiences?
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i got me a invisishield screen protector just because i like to keep my screens looking good and it helps to sell it when all you have to do is take off the protector and the screen looks brand new.
I'm usually pretty anal about screen protectors, but I bought a smart case that covers the screen instead. Unless you use a case also, I'd get one. I'd much rather spend a few bucks on a protector than years regretting it.
A scratch is possible, things happen, so if you're worried then I'd say put one on. I intend to, and have lasted this long, but you just never know. Apart from a dead pixel, a scratched screen is pretty bad. Better safe than sorry, as they say.
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I'm usually pretty anal about screen protectors, but I bought a smart case that covers the screen instead. Unless you use a case also, I'd get one. I'd much rather spend a few bucks on a protector than years regretting it.
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it is not so much about the money actually... more about possibly negative effects on screen quality and touch screen experience...
regarding cases... I want to get one anyway... don't want to shove my brand new n7 in my backpack without protection
I don't think a case renders a screen protector obsolete though... there is still the possibility of scratches due to dust particles and stuff while using or cleaning the touch screen....
I always use those anti-glare or anti-finger print screen protector. It defuses the glare and it protect the screen. HOWEVER, you cannot expect 100% clarity on these but I am ok since I use my tablet mainly to read
- Charles
i usually put screen protectors on all of my electronics. i just like the extra scratch proof protection. i order all of my skins from bestskinsever.com because the prices are good. hope this helps
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I'd much rather spend a few bucks on a protector than years regretting it.
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This ^ times ten with a cherry on top!
That said many cases now come with free screen protectors as added 'value'. I've actually bought 3 matt protectors (in a set) and got 6 free gloss ones with the cases I've bought.
I was at the Mall today and people were lined up at an "Armour screen protector" kiosk. I don;t understand screen protectors. They are paying $25 for a screen protector to keep their screen from scratching. But they are also playing $25 for a screen protector that WILL get scratched up and then maybe another $25 in 6 months to replace that "ugly" one.....all while at the end of the day delivering a pristine phone to .......someone else.
My take is I want to use the phone as designed. I have not found any screen protector that is as smooth and clear as the glass. I want to enjoy the phone not protect it from scratches. My screen is pretty scratched up from pocket carrying but when i turn it on they all magically "disappear" Only when the phone is off and in my pocket does it look like its used.
Now some will say they will get more for their phone when they sell them if they are flawless. I would rather save all the money spent on cases and screen protectors and sell the phone at a $50- $70 discount to market and in the mean time enjoy the phone as designed. When I sell them I explicitly state anal buyers and those who "wear" their phones should pass despite the price. When I buy a used phone i will take the discount for a wear and tear phone rather than a pristine one.
Plus one can always throw a screen protector on and "erase" all the scratches if they are that OCD about these things. My Note will sell for $290 all day long with hairline scratches all over the screen which is about a $50-$100 discount to what they are selling on Ebay used, I will throw it up with no reserve and a buy in now price of $270 and see where the bidding goes. I'm betting either it goes for $270 very quickly or it gets bid to $300. now I know there are cheap Hong Kong screen protectors and they may be good. But nothing is as good as glass......I even am aware of the glass screen protectors which i found rather ridiculous as they can scratch as well..scratched screen protectors look as bad as a scratched phone!
I did get one of those $3 Hong Kong "gel" cases but hated it as I could not get it out of the pocket. The phone is big enough without a sticky rubber case. If I drop it.... my bad. but $25 for a "screen protector? Really? I think the people who make the claims that screen protectors are "better" then the glass...probably sell them at huge Margins....I am guessing 300-400% or more. Fear sells and OCD people line up for $35 "screen protectors" at Mall kiosks. I don;t know about many but scratching a $25 piece of olohenfdgc mastedfde" plastic would piss me off. That is not supposed to scratch its scratch "resistant"
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Are there any others out there who disdain all cases and screen protectors and just enjoy their devices care free?
I totally understand your point. 25 dollars is ridiculous for screen protector. I do try to have to get one around 10 dollars though.
It is more of a feeling like if your car gets dinged or scratched. I dont think I ever cared about scratching my phones before the smartphone era though.
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kvssvarma said:
I totally understand your point. 25 dollars is ridiculous for screen protector. I do try to have to get one around 10 dollars though.
It is more of a feeling like if your car gets dinged or scratched. I dont think I ever cared about scratching my phones before the smartphone era though.
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People have become conditioned by cleaver advertising to viewing these tools as Jewelry for profit. The funny thing is these are not items we even keep a long time. The Zagg people really have created a business from nothing but fear and obsessive compulsion. I have witnessed people who would lose sleep if their phones got dinged. This is not a $25,000 car here with a door ding. Its a $600 cell phone, a tool, I guess I am not an OCD type about anything. I don;t understand "glass" (on glass) screen protection. LOL
I simply use things and don't obsess over them except that they work perfectly and do what they are designed to do each and every time.When I buy something used I want to know one thing. Does it work like it was designed? Not is that a small ding I see photo on the corner in that 200% zoomed or hairline scratches on the screen. When someone starts asking those questions on my sales I tell them to move along and spend another $50 or $100 bucks.
tbong777 said:
I was at the Mall today and people were lined up at an "Armour screen protector" kiosk. I don;t understand screen protectors. They are paying $25 for a screen protector to keep their screen from scratching. But they are also playing $25 for a screen protector that WILL get scratched up and then maybe another $25 in 6 months to replace that "ugly" one.....all while at the end of the day delivering a pristine phone to .......someone else.
My take is I want to use the phone as designed. I have not found any screen protector that is as smooth and clear as the glass. I want to enjoy the phone not protect it from scratches. My screen is pretty scratched up from pocket carrying but when i turn it on they all magically "disappear" Only when the phone is off and in my pocket does it look like its used.
Now some will say they will get more for their phone when they sell them if they are flawless. I would rather save all the money spent on cases and screen protectors and sell the phone at a $50- $70 discount to market and in the mean time enjoy the phone as designed. When I sell them I explicitly state anal buyers and those who "wear" their phones should pass despite the price. When I buy a used phone i will take the discount for a wear and tear phone rather than a pristine one.
Plus one can always throw a screen protector on and "erase" all the scratches if they are that OCD about these things. My Note will sell for $290 all day long with hairline scratches all over the screen which is about a $50-$100 discount to what they are selling on Ebay used, I will throw it up with no reserve and a buy in now price of $270 and see where the bidding goes. I'm betting either it goes for $270 very quickly or it gets bid to $300. now I know there are cheap Hong Kong screen protectors and they may be good. But nothing is as good as glass......I even am aware of the glass screen protectors which i found rather ridiculous as they can scratch as well..scratched screen protectors look as bad as a scratched phone!
I did get one of those $3 Hong Kong "gel" cases but hated it as I could not get it out of the pocket. The phone is big enough without a sticky rubber case. If I drop it.... my bad. but $25 for a "screen protector? Really?
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I had the same mentality with my last 3 smart phones, until IT happens.
You get a giant scratch going straight down the middle of your screen.
Its horrible, you see it during games, movies, browsing, EVERYTHING.
In short, I'm not making the same mistake twice. I'll pay an extra $15 every 12 months to see a fresh scratch less screen.
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I was at the Mall today and people were lined up at an "Armour screen protector" kiosk. I don;t understand screen protectors. They are paying $25 for a screen protector to keep their screen from scratching. But they are also playing $25 for a screen protector that WILL get scratched up and then maybe another $25 in 6 months to replace that "ugly" one.....all while at the end of the day delivering a pristine phone to .......someone else.
My take is I want to use the phone as designed. I have not found any screen protector that is as smooth and clear as the glass. I want to enjoy the phone not protect it from scratches. My screen is pretty scratched up from pocket carrying but when i turn it on they all magically "disappear" Only when the phone is off and in my pocket does it look like its used.
Now some will say they will get more for their phone when they sell them if they are flawless. I would rather save all the money spent on cases and screen protectors and sell the phone at a $50- $70 discount to market and in the mean time enjoy the phone as designed. When I sell them I explicitly state anal buyers and those who "wear" their phones should pass despite the price. When I buy a used phone i will take the discount for a wear and tear phone rather than a pristine one.
Plus one can always throw a screen protector on and "erase" all the scratches if they are that OCD about these things. My Note will sell for $290 all day long with hairline scratches all over the screen which is about a $50-$100 discount to what they are selling on Ebay used, I will throw it up with no reserve and a buy in now price of $270 and see where the bidding goes. I'm betting either it goes for $270 very quickly or it gets bid to $300. now I know there are cheap Hong Kong screen protectors and they may be good. But nothing is as good as glass......I even am aware of the glass screen protectors which i found rather ridiculous as they can scratch as well..scratched screen protectors look as bad as a scratched phone!
I did get one of those $3 Hong Kong "gel" cases but hated it as I could not get it out of the pocket. The phone is big enough without a sticky rubber case. If I drop it.... my bad. but $25 for a "screen protector? Really? I think the people who make the claims that screen protectors are "better" then the glass...probably sell them at huge Margins....I am guessing 300-400% or more. Fear sells and OCD people line up for $35 "screen protectors" at Mall kiosks. I don;t know about many but scratching a $25 piece of olohenfdgc mastedfde" plastic would piss me off. That is not supposed to scratch its scratch "resistant"
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There is merit in what you say.
I agree. .. I quit using screen protectors a long time ago. Have never scratched a phone. Case I will use though. Screen protectors are a waste of time and money. Use the damn phone as intended and stop worrying.
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I totally agree. It doesnt make sense until you become a victim of screen scratching. beware.
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My Note screen is full of small visible scratches. The flip cover created most of them since I live near the beach sand would get in there and scratch the heck out of the screen. I bought the phone used and it had the flip cover on it. I took it off and went naked. Many here would likely break out in sweat if they saw my screen and its really not all that bad LOL.
I have couple deep ones as well but I don't see them when I am using the device. A scratch has to be pretty much a crack for me to be bothered by it while using the device. A lot of mental anguish for nothing. I can understand someone buying a $4 screen protector and dealing with any issues it causes that may take away from the phones display or user experience to avoid the dastardly scratch. But people are being conned into spending $25 to $50 for a device that will keep the real screen no one is using pristine for the next owner and it will get scratched easier than the screen itself !
A case I can understand for those who fear dropping their devices and cannot replace them. But the Note is too big already. cannot imagine it with a case even though its clumsy size and one hand handling begs for one.The Iphone looks like a Key FOB next to it.
I guess I will never understand agonizing over minutia only to sell a pristine phone for another to enjoy and not stress over. Although if a scratch on the screen of a mobile device is the only thing one really worries about, I have to think they have a great life going LOL...
AlexWekell said:
I had the same mentality with my last 3 smart phones, until IT happens.
You get a giant scratch going straight down the middle of your screen.
Its horrible, you see it during games, movies, browsing, EVERYTHING.
In short, I'm not making the same mistake twice. I'll pay an extra $15 every 12 months to see a fresh scratch less screen.
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So this. $25 for a screen protector is highway robbery. ..but you can get protection in the event of *it* much more reasonably. My evo4g I never scrern protected, my note2 I did as the S-pen is an unknown quantity in how hard it can be.
At work my phone lives in a case and holster. Need my phone at work, and a naked phone falling on concrete floor is a shattered screen waiting to happen.
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The OP obviously hasn't tried an SGP Ultra Crystal... but should. The S-Pen feels like a skate on ice right after the Zamboni worked it's magic!
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The OP obviously hasn't tried an SGP Ultra Crystal... but should. The S-Pen feels like a skate on ice right after the Zamboni worked it's magic!
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OH hell no...No way I would pay $20 for a screen protector.. Got to buy a screen protector to protect the screen protector........What if the screen protector it gets scratched? then I am out $20 and my phone looks like the Shyte I was paying $20 to prevent!! Then another $20 has to be blown Before ya know I have $100 in screen protectors protecting a phone thats dropping in value faster than a hooker at a bachelor party.
Screen protectors are very much a personal choice. There is no right/wrong decision on whether you should use one.
I would say for the everyday office commuter, they are probably overkill. When a desk or a conference table is the harshest environment your phone is ever likely to see, there is no need to sped $15-$20 on a screen protector. You don't wear steel-toe boots and a hard hat to the office for the same reason. It is important to protect your head and feet, but you don't need that level of protection if the environment your in doesn't provide that type of danger.
That being said, I work construction. I work in a technical field (so a phone like this comes in handy), but I'm constantly around dust, debris and micro-particals. I work on hard, filthy surfaces; I climb ladders; I'm around power tools. It just isn't a very nice environment for consumer electronics. I use a screen protector. I also wear a hard-hat and steel-toe boots when I'm on the job. The protection is needed.
In regards to gorilla glass, it really is just a matter of physics. Sure you can rake your car keys up and down the screen all day long and not see a scratch. After all, car keys are soft metal. But a single grain of sand, a small rock, or a piece of silica debris can make your $700 phone look like a cutting board. All that is required for a scratch is an object with the right hardness combined with the right amount of force. This is not hard to achieve.
Another thing to consider: As your phone gets older and more used, you will develop wear spots. These are micro-patterns that develop in the glass over the most frequently used parts of the screen. They are hard to see, and can only be seen in the right light, but they will develop. They would develop even if your screen was made of pure diamond. Friction will eventually wear down any surface. But as the above poster points out, how long are you likely to own this phone before you upgrade? You may not have to worry about this.
Only you can decide if a screen protector is worth it for you. For me, I believe they are. For others, not so much. The fact is, there IS a legitimate market for them and it is not all sensationalist nonsense.
Thats my $0.02
-PW
My auction for my immaculate Note 1 ended on this past weekend at $400+30 shipping. I had a screen protector and case on it since I bought it on launch day last October.
I completely understand where you are coming from and sometimes I wish I were more like you, but I'm not. I wish I can just toss my phone around and not give a damn as long as it works, but I can't. I, like some of you guys mentioned, have OCD when it comes to screens and damage on my electronic devices. I can't stand the thought of having a scratch or ding on my device, but I can deal with light scratches and dings on screen protectors and cases. Just knowing my phone is in immaculate condition puts me to ease. For me, it's more of a mental state of mind. I think this applies to some people here too.
Some people do it for the resale value, which I understand. I did not expect my phone to sell so high, but I guess the condition of it really attracted the buyer.
There are many other reasons why people get screen protectors. I hope you understand that not everyone is the same and maybe you can look at this from a different point of view. We all have our reasons and preferences.
It's all about peace of mind. Plus, screen protectors come in many different flavors to suit your preference. You can get completely clear ones that you will never even notice or matte protectors that drastically reduce greasy fingerprints and glare. You can get most good quality protectors for around $10-15. So I would argue that it doesn't make sense not to get one for such an expensive touch screen device. I do agree that the Zagg protectors are terrible, but for some reason they are the only ones carried by retailers like Best Buy. Many people swear by them though.
Let me also that you get what you paid for. Some people say "hey the screen protector sucks" well that's probably because he paid 2 dollars for it on Amazon.
When you get a screen protector, quality matters, don't judge based on those that China dime store crap.
At this point if you do your research and apply it right, it feels and looks like nothing is on your phone.
Plus, better resale value and peace of mind.
Don't ask me how, but I dropped a fork right on my screen, it warped the hell out of my screen protector and I freaked out, pulled off my screen protector, and not a scratch was on the glass.
We all make mistakes, and accidents happen, I for one would rather play it safe, and seeing as a measly screen protector for a small amount amount of money is all that separates my phone from having a non repairable scratch on the glass forever or a simple screen protector dent that can be replaced, then I'm fine with using them.
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OH hell no...No way I would pay $20 for a screen protector.. Got to buy a screen protector to protect the screen protector........What if the screen protector it gets scratched? then I am out $20 and my phone looks like the Shyte I was paying $20 to prevent!! Then another $20 has to be blown Before ya know I have $100 in screen protectors protecting a phone thats dropping in value faster than a hooker at a bachelor party.
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Uh, I just bought a pair of SGP ultra crystal protectors on amazon for $14 shipped (I have amazon prime). So, I guess we're in agreement that I, too, wouldn't pay $20 for a screen protector.
The flaw in your logic is the part when you say "What if the screen protector it gets scratched?" Remove the word protector from that question, and now you know why we use screen protectors. Would cost you a lot more than $7, or $20 for that matter.
We can all agree that 25 bucks for a plastic screen protector is over priced....
But really, I don't quite comprehend how a sensible person can state that a screen protector is "a waste of money" or "worthless" or follow the logic that simply because the protector will itself get scratched that somehow that correlates to the use of one being illogical....
The WHOLE point of the protector is insurance that your screen won't get scratched AND has less chance of getting damaged in a drop where the screen is impacted.
If you don't want to use one fine... but to argue that this is somehow a scam is like arguing that airbags are a scam, or that race car drivers don't need multi-point seat belts. They may never get used but you won't find a driver in the world that wouldn't wear one just in case.
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We can all agree that 25 bucks for a plastic screen protector is over priced....
But really, I don't quite comprehend how a sensible person can state that a screen protector is "a waste of money" or "worthless" or follow the logic that simply because the protector will itself get scratched that somehow that correlates to the use of one being illogical....
The WHOLE point of the protector is insurance that your screen won't get scratched AND has less chance of getting damaged in a drop where the screen is impacted.
If you don't want to use one fine... but to argue that this is somehow a scam is like arguing that airbags are a scam, or that race car drivers don't need multi-point seat belts. They may never get used but you won't find a driver in the world that wouldn't wear one just in case.
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Equating Screen protectors with seat belts or multipurpose seat belts in a race car makes my point. Lets see.......... a scratched screen or dead body....Yeah that's a good analogy and appropriate for the anxiety some people feel about these devices I think the rant is more about being anal bout a device people don;t keep for sometimes even 6 months. Then bump a sell for weeks because no one wants to pay top dollar for a year old device anyway, Very few Note s are going on Ebay for even $350 . If someone wants to pay $400 for a Pristine old Note God Bless them. I believe most would rather pay less than $300 and cover up a scratched screen with a $3 screen protector if that bothers them. But that's just me. Personally I would pay less for a wear and tear phone than a pristine one because I use the phone. I don't wear them. If it looked that bad I would skinnit.
$25 screen protectors are a scam IMO.
If one believes they will drop their phone, put it in a good heavy duty case. No screen protector will prevent a screen from cracking if the phone is dropped on one of the four corners the corner, It may only suffer one or two cracks though
I understand what you say. I never buy screen protectors, mainly because many of them degrade the quality of the screen, but also like you said it doesn't feel as nice to the touch as glass. But maybe I'll change my mind if I see that magical screen protector that can't be detected on the screen and feels as good as glass.
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I understand what you say. I never buy screen protectors, mainly because many of them degrade the quality of the screen, but also like you said it doesn't feel as nice to the touch as glass. But maybe I'll change my mind if I see that magical screen protector that can't be detected on the screen and feels as good as glass.
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I guess I want to enjoy the phone as is. Slim slick body. Slick glass. Slips in a pocket easy and undetectable for a huge device. The only thing I know that will mar the glass is sand. That is what made the hairline scratches on mine. But even most of those scratches cannot be felt with a fingernail I have two small ones that can be if one tries hard enough. The stylus is completely safe and way softer than glass
The screen protectors they were selling at the mall felt like smooth Zagg. Rubbery and they did show a difference in screen quality. I was astonished at the prices more than anything. I thought Best Buy's $19.99 screen protectors were a stretch. The box looked really important though.Marketing is a wonderful thing.
hello folks!
So I'm about to receive the titanium bronze Samsung galaxy tab s 8.4 and will have 14 days to make an exchange. I went to the store the other day and had a comparison with the texture of Titanium bronze vs dazzling white. So I made a little scratch test with my finger nails on the demos and the white can barely see any scratches being made while the bronze can definitely see scratch marks made. Despite this I was wondering what other pros/cons for these back covers have? I'm most likely am going to have a skin protection for the front/back of the tablet because I want to protect any scratch marks and finger prints in case. Does anyone know of any good skin protection out there? Is ZAGG any good? I'm also looking for book cases that can make the tablet stand at a 45 degree, cover the front and back for extra protection. I welcome all feedbacks and recommendations
I recommend the tempered glass screen protectors. I have one on mine. Just like the original screen.
I'm not able to scratch my back, what you using keys?
Tbh i think its pointless buying a nice tablet like this if all youre gonna do is completely cover it up and put another glass screen/protector in front of it. Making it look crap and spoiling the experience until you sell . Samsung could have done that themselves, but who would have bought it then?
Phones and covers yes, screen protectors no. In my experience screens dont get scratched/damaged unless you really abuse the device.
I have the Samsung simple cover and it compliments the tab s perfectly. Dont wanna hide that nice back.
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I'm not able to scratch my back, what you using keys?
Tbh i think its pointless buying a nice tablet like this if all youre gonna do is completely cover it up and put another glass screen/protector in front of it. Making it look crap and spoiling the experience until you sell . Samsung could have done that themselves, but who would have bought it then?
Phones and covers yes, screen protectors no. In my experience screens dont get scratched/damaged unless you really abuse the device.
I have the Samsung simple cover and it compliments the tab s perfectly. Dont wanna hide that nice back.
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I was able to make scratch marks that were apparent in the bronze and the scratches were easily visible if you were to take a real close look at it. If my nails can make a scratch mark out of it, i'd best be putting a screen protector on the back too : )
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I was able to make scratch marks that were apparent in the bronze and the scratches were easily visible if you were to take a real close look at it. If my nails can make a scratch mark out of it, i'd best be putting a screen protector on the back too : )
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Must have sharper nails than me then, just tried again and nothing!
EDIT: ok just managed to make a tiny mark, but i had to dig hard!
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Must have sharper nails than me then, just tried again and nothing!
EDIT: ok just managed to make a tiny mark, but i had to dig hard!
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hahaa yup, and what case do you have for yours? OEM? and are you using a stylus by any chance?
I use the genuine samsung simple cover, but i have seen a book cover which is remarkably like the samsung one for way less.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/390957224...l?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=390957224638&_rdc=1
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B00...book+cover&dpPl=1&dpID=51hRmzMZ+VL&ref=plSrch
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I'm not able to scratch my back, what you using keys?
Tbh i think its pointless buying a nice tablet like this if all youre gonna do is completely cover it up and put another glass screen/protector in front of it. Making it look crap and spoiling the experience until you sell . Samsung could have done that themselves, but who would have bought it then?
Phones and covers yes, screen protectors no. In my experience screens dont get scratched/damaged unless you really abuse the device.
I have the Samsung simple cover and it compliments the tab s perfectly. Dont wanna hide that nice back.
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I beg to differ about using glass screen will make it look crap, im using a brando rounded edges tempered glass and it adds to the beauty, now it looks like a giant note for with glass screen tapered smoothly through the side. And i forgot it's even there. It would be easy/cheaper to replace a tempered glass rather than the whole digitizer when you got it scratched.
Also using a smart cover free from sammy when i bought minde. Serves its purpose.
On aother note, be carefull on thr faux metallic bronze side. It's so soft that a little bump with an edged object will leave its mark.
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I beg to differ about using glass screen will make it look crap, im using a brando rounded edges tempered glass and it adds to the beauty, now it looks like a giant note for with glass screen tapered smoothly through the side. And i forgot it's even there. It would be easy/cheaper to replace a tempered glass rather than the whole digitizer when you got it scratched.
Also using a smart cover free from sammy when i bought minde. Serves its purpose.
On aother note, be carefull on thr faux metallic bronze side. It's so soft that a little bump with an edged object will leave its mark.
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Thank god I thought I was the only person going crazy here because I definitely felt as if the titanium bronze's back cover was easy to make a mark on it(be it from scratch, smudge, etc). But I'm one of those fanatics where I need to first get a protector on the tablet before I even begin to use it haha. I've been seeing a lot of 'tempered glass screen protectors' than before, is it the best type of protector out there atm? Is it like in between glass and plastic? I've also had plastic screen protector or skin protector as some would call it, on my phone and have had no issues, no corner peels or as much finger prints to none, clear and see through but I do want to keep up to date of the current protection of phones/tablets. What are some benefits of the tempered glass protector have? All I really care about really are the smudges like finger prints, corner peels, no dust, no bubbles, scratch resistant of course and most importantly clear/see through.
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Thank god I thought I was the only person going crazy here because I definitely felt as if the titanium bronze's back cover was easy to make a mark on it(be it from scratch, smudge, etc). But I'm one of those fanatics where I need to first get a protector on the tablet before I even begin to use it haha. I've been seeing a lot of 'tempered glass screen protectors' than before, is it the best type of protector out there atm? Is it like in between glass and plastic? I've also had plastic screen protector or skin protector as some would call it, on my phone and have had no issues, no corner peels or as much finger prints to none, clear and see through but I do want to keep up to date of the current protection of phones/tablets. What are some benefits of the tempered glass protector have? All I really care about really are the smudges like finger prints, corner peels, no dust, no bubbles, scratch resistant of course and most importantly clear/see through.
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I am the same way. I always have a screen protector ready for when I get a new phone or tablet. I like to keep my electronics in good shape. Have switched to the tempered screen protectors a while back and can definitely say it is well worth it. I use to alway buy square trade warranty for my phones but have stopped since using the tempered screen protectors. The screen is really the most valuable piece to protect. I can attest that the tempered glass really works. Both of my daughters have dropped their phones and the tempered screen protector shattered but the screen on the phone did not. Thus well worth the investment. A normal screen protector would have done nothing to absorb the impact. Anyway, I highly recommend them. Also, check reviews and different brands on Amazon. You don't have to spend an arm an a leg on these. I paid $8 for iCarez for my G3 and girls iPhones. Just as good as Zagg which people pay $40 - 50 dollars for. As far as the Galaxy tab S, I also added one due to the size of the tablet. I am not using a case since I have the matching keyboard. I have not had a tablet this large before so was definitely concerned about dropping it. Picked up the Skinomi tempered glass. A bit more at $23 but quite a bit larger screen as well.
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I am the same way. I always have a screen protector ready for when I get a new phone or tablet. I like to keep my electronics in good shape. Have switched to the tempered screen protectors a while back and can definitely say it is well worth it. I use to alway buy square trade warranty for my phones but have stopped since using the tempered screen protectors. The screen is really the most valuable piece to protect. I can attest that the tempered glass really works. Both of my daughters have dropped their phones and the tempered screen protector shattered but the screen on the phone did not. Thus well worth the investment. A normal screen protector would have done nothing to absorb the impact. Anyway, I highly recommend them. Also, check reviews and different brands on Amazon. You don't have to spend an arm an a leg on these. I paid $8 for iCarez for my G3 and girls iPhones. Just as good as Zagg which people pay $40 - 50 dollars for. As far as the Galaxy tab S, I also added one due to the size of the tablet. I am not using a case since I have the matching keyboard. I have not had a tablet this large before so was definitely concerned about dropping it. Picked up the Skinomi tempered glass. A bit more at $23 but quite a bit larger screen as well.
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Yeah, I was thinking of getting a tempered glass protector from Skinomi because of their life time replacement warranty : )
I made another thread discussing about the skin protections of Skinomi for the back covers.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal.../skinomi-skin-protector-carbon-fiber-t3019907
Carbon fiber, Wood and Brushed... but unfortunately no reviews anywhere
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Yeah, I was thinking of getting a tempered glass protector from Skinomi because of their life time replacement warranty : )
I made another thread discussing about the skin protections of Skinomi for the back covers.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal.../skinomi-skin-protector-carbon-fiber-t3019907
Carbon fiber, Wood and Brushed... but unfortunately no reviews anywhere
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I also picked up their clear back skin. Just got so can't comment on it yet. Again, this is the clear back. As mentioned, I have the matching keyboard so I am using this without a case on. I wanted to make sure the back at least had something on to prevent from potential scratches and dings. Not as good as standard case, but better than nothing at all.
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I also picked up their clear back skin. Just got so can't comment on it yet. Again, this is the clear back. As mentioned, I have the matching keyboard so I am using this without a case on. I wanted to make sure the back at least had something on to prevent from potential scratches and dings. Not as good as standard case, but better than nothing at all.
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Clear skin would be a good idea but I don't know if it has grid-like pattern that allows air bubbles to escape just like the wood/brushed/carbon skins have. But yeah, I guess i'll be the guinea pig to test it out, still debating carbon fiber/brushed. I'll write a review and show pics of it when I order it and have everything set up ready
Didn't know there are hardware differences between the two. I got myself a white Tab S because that's what was on sale at the moment. I'd buy it in any color other than pink.
Ok, I've looked through forums, threads here and there, Amazon, manufacturer sites, web searches... and my takeaway is that glass protectors for the Note 5 are a problem... in particular the protectors don't fully cover the screen (just the flatter part) and there are halo effects. The non-curvature issue can also cause dust to accumulate, apparently, by getting into the edges.
Is there, in fact, ANY really great tempered glass screen protector that does the job?? One that fully fits the curves along of the Note 5's screen, has non-sharp edges, and isn't a headache to install or otherwise deal with? I see the same type complaints whether the glass protector is inexpensive or at the high-price end.
I have a new Note 5 arriving next week, and I'd love to know which are the top choices. Or, because of the curved screen, front side, is this just a holy grail search never to be reached?
My guess is that once manufacturer's continue to get feedback they will fix the issue, but it will take time and feedback from consumers. The device is fairly new so I would say in about another month or so the issues Should, or so I would hope, be ironed out. If you cannot wait, I would suggest getting a case with a built in screen protector. Give Artech21 a jingle, they have a case with a built in screen protector, and I believe they are still looking for testers for their cases. I am going to be receiving mine whenever they ship. At the moment it seems like September 30th, at least according to Amazon, but I hope to get one sooner than later.
Either way, a decent case and being careful will go far to help deal with your screen until, either manufacturers fix the issues, or you can get a case with a built in screen protector.
I bought the tempered glass screen protector at the T-Mobile store. Forget the brand, but came in a big green box, with a roller and bed like thing to put the phone in, and apply it dummy proof easy. It is on clear and zero bubbles, and can barely even see the protector whatsoever.
Skinomi.com is where I purchased mine. Absolutely perfect for my Tab S so I made the purchase for the Note. Also perfect in every way! I paid around 7 bucks through ebay
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Using an ismooth thats is awesome. Zero halo on it.
Zorachus said:
I bought the tempered glass screen protector at the T-Mobile store. Forget the brand, but came in a big green box, with a roller and bed like thing to put the phone in, and apply it dummy proof easy. It is on clear and zero bubbles, and can barely even see the protector whatsoever.
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This is the screen protector your talking about http://www.pure-gear.com/shop-by-de...oll-on-kit-biodegradable-samsung-devices.html, Also cheaper direct through manufacturer by about $15. At any rate it looks like a good screen protector and very easy to apply. I may give it a shot once I get my device sorted out.
The Zagg glass from Verizon is a perfect fit, but if you have to be insanely accurate. If you are, the results are amazing. I read on another thread that version Best Buy carries does not fit well so I went straight to Verizon. Yes it's pricey but worth it. I'm used to staying under $15 for a glass one for my last few purchases. I purchased 2 backups (different manufacturers) for $3 total from Amazon with coupon codes, but it's good to know I won't need them. Let me know if you need pictures.
edit: For the most part, halos are causes by wrong cuts or if you are off by a hair in either direction. If applied correctly with the right brand, it should cover 100% of the flat area before the curve.
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Pictures would be great!
Also... thanks everyone for the input so far! For the above-mentioned glass protectors, do they cover the curved part of the screen in a form-fitting way?
In the meanwhile, I've ordered from Amazon a couple of glass screen protectors as an inexpensive first step solution awaiting products that subsequently come out that may take advantage of user stories/input. The two are: (1) IVSO with lifetime warranty and (2) YooTech with lifetime warranty.
I also ordered three Note 5 cases from Amazon to try: (1) Spigen Air Cushion Slim Armor Case, Champagne Gold, model SGP11687; (2) Spigen Neo Hybrid Carbon Case, Gunmetal, model SGP11689; and (3) Urban Armor Gear Case, Black.
Unless I have totally overlooked it, you won't find a protector that covers the curve in a glass form. It wouldn't be physically possible since the glass protectors do not have any bend/give at the ends to cover the edges of the screen.
Looks to be possible
I wonder what might be the engineering reason for not producing a curved tempered glass screen protector. Cost perhaps? For example the screen itself is curved, why can't the protector be formed (molded in a sense) to mate to that? Search on "curved tempered glass" and you'll see that it is possible to create curved tempered glass.
Also, look up: "Cinder .2 mm Gorilla Glass Screen Protector for iPhone 6/6+" on YouTube (I'm new to XDA, can't post links yet!). This protector IS curved on the edges to follow the form of the phone. I'd love to see this for Note 5!
The Cinder is from Cupert. Check out Cupert (period) com.
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This is the screen protector your talking about http://www.pure-gear.com/shop-by-de...oll-on-kit-biodegradable-samsung-devices.html, Also cheaper direct through manufacturer by about $15. At any rate it looks like a good screen protector and very easy to apply. I may give it a shot once I get my device sorted out.
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i'm using this on my Note5, and so far, it's has the least amount of "halo" effect. probably .5 mm or less and barely noticeable unless you're looking for it; i can live with that for now. (see picture below) i used a T-Mo discount to purchase and have installed in the store. was told as long as i have my receipt they'll replace it if there's significant "halo".
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i'm using this on my Note5, and so far, it's has the least amount of "halo" effect. probably .5 mm or less and barely noticeable unless you're looking for it; i can live with that for now. (see picture below) i used a T-Mo discount to purchase and have installed in the store. was told as long as i have my receipt they'll replace it if there's significant "halo".
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Is this a glass or plastic protector? Their website mentions, "Smooth as glass"
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Is this a glass or plastic protector? Their website mentions, "Smooth as glass"
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Zero haloing. It might look that way because of the angle I shot it (6 plus camera .. sadface)
Supersheild works fine.
Mixed reviews + hope for the future
For all of the above-mentioned glass screen protectors, when I look at their Amazon ratings, I see overall a mixed set of reviews, primarily around halo issues and the screen not fitting enough of the Note 5's glass, and with some users having complaints about installation. My conclusions so far: that this represents what's currently on the market. However, presumably there's hope for a better product, e.g., a Gorilla Glass thin, sleek glass protector that curves to edges and fully form fits the entire screen, as is the case with the Cinder product made for the iPhone (in which instance the holy grail seems to have been found). We now know that this appears to be possible for a large curved device (see the Cinder references/web site I mentioned above).
My hunch is that a fully form-fitting glass protector would also provide better shock protection for the screen versus one that doesn't fully mate to the screen, curves and all.
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I bought the tempered glass screen protector at the T-Mobile store. Forget the brand, but came in a big green box, with a roller and bed like thing to put the phone in, and apply it dummy proof easy. It is on clear and zero bubbles, and can barely even see the protector whatsoever.
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Can you confirm if it's actually glass? I was going to buy it (not from tmobile, $40 is robbery) but the "flexible" part is what threw me off. How can a tempered glass SP be flexible? The mfg website states that it's made of Polyethylene Terephthalate (PET).
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Can you confirm if it's actually glass? I was going to buy it (not from tmobile, $40 is robbery) but the "flexible" part is what threw me off. How can a tempered glass SP be flexible? The mfg website states that it's made of Polyethylene Terephthalate (PET).
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Really not 100% sure if it's true glass ?
http://www.pure-gear.com/puretek-roll-on-kit-antibacterial-antiglare-anti-fingerprint.html
Zorachus said:
I bought the tempered glass screen protector at the T-Mobile store. Forget the brand, but came in a big green box, with a roller and bed like thing to put the phone in, and apply it dummy proof easy. It is on clear and zero bubbles, and can barely even see the protector whatsoever.
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I got the same one and yes it is dummy proof but the sides don't lay flat. It also gets greasy really easy. I've used this one http://www.amazon.com/Protector-Tem...pebp=1441665200689&perid=1CDB4C1PX00MRMTNJ7SD on other devices and it seems to work a lot better.
XtremeGuard. $7. Fast shipping. Great fit