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In honor of it's glorious release today, I felt we needed a thread.
What a marketing sham, especially the "this is the internet, internet" ad. When it's limited to EDGE? Mmmm hmmmm.
I read a WSJ review in which Jobs was questioned about it. He claimed they were "sandwiching" 3G on the bottom with pervasive EDGE and WiFi on the top, which is much faster than 3G anyway. Hahahaha.
I'll keep my 8525, thanks. What say you?
iPhone -> Device for the fashion victims...nuff said.
I mean not adding 3G support is a tad silly since it will need a fast connection to get music at a decent speed.
I will not buy one. iPhone is all fluff IMO. I am eagerly awaiting the Kaiser.
Best Of Both Worlds
We need to add some of the cool features that the iphone has on our 8525 so it well be the best phone that is out right now. Also waiting on the Kaiser and cant wait to see what cool rom that will come out for it.
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iPhone -> Device for the fashion victims...nuff said.
I mean not adding 3G support is a tad silly since it will need a fast connection to get music at a decent speed.
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exactly what i thought.
the newest overrated overpriced price of fasion crap in the united states YEY!
i work mall security so i got to kick all their retarded iphone wanting ass off property until 5am. Then when they came in line I started showing everyone my iphone look a like rom on my hermes (cing 8525). look i have google map, look i have wifi, OMG a media player, and wow my doesnt cost 600-700 bucks + tax. i kicked the crap out of their hearts. after about 30 minutes of argueing with me they finally gave up... yea the revolutionary devise for morons that have been in the dark... so ignorant. my phone is like a year and a half old lol.
i luved how they all had no idea the full onscreen keyboard sucks and miss understands u often. gg retards, waste of money. i thought about it for a sec and thought wow... the only good iphone is a linux running iphone haha. gg pwnt...
When I had the 8125, I was disappointed by the processing speed and responsiveness of the unit. However when I got my 8525, I am much much happier. The increase in processor speed and maybe the fact that it's not the same manufacturer processor makes the world of difference. Now I'm itching to see a 1Ghz unit! Wheee!
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Then when they came in line I started showing everyone my iphone look a like rom on my hermes (cing 8525). look i have google map, look i have wifi, OMG a media player, and wow my doesnt cost 600-700 bucks + tax. i kicked the crap out of their hearts. after about 30 minutes of argueing with me they finally gave up... yea the revolutionary devise for morons that have been in the dark... so ignorant. my phone is like a year and a half old lol.
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Ouch!... that was cold.
Love it.
Mog said:
i work mall security so i got to kick all their retarded iphone wanting ass off property until 5am. Then when they came in line I started showing everyone my iphone look a like rom on my hermes (cing 8525). look i have google map, look i have wifi, OMG a media player, and wow my doesnt cost 600-700 bucks + tax. i kicked the crap out of their hearts. after about 30 minutes of argueing with me they finally gave up... yea the revolutionary devise for morons that have been in the dark... so ignorant. my phone is like a year and a half old lol.
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SWEEETTT!
M$ is so frigging stupid.. They could have TOTALLY STOLEN the spotlight from iPhone if they simultaneously coordinated the release of the official Windows Mobile 6 with the release of iPhone... They refuse to market their product, I mean, even with the BlackJack commercials they make NO mention of Windows Mobile.. Has Bill finally lost his mind with all that money he has?
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M$ is so frigging stupid.. They could have TOTALLY STOLEN the spotlight from iPhone if they simultaneously coordinated the release of the official Windows Mobile 6 with the release of iPhone
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Errrm, well...
a) WM6 has been released for some devices, including some Hermes models (that new Dopod release, for one).
b) AT&T is the exclusive carrier for the iPhone... why would they release WM6 for the 8525 prior to iPhone's launch?
c) Bill Gates could spend the money he's already got as fast as he can with both hands and still not spend it all before he's dead.
'Nuf said.
Beleive me when I say it, M$ has a say in some capacity as to when certain products can be offered... What M$ says is law in the world today.. yes some devices have already been given the upgrades, but I think a universal launch would have been good for the windows mobile based devices.. I can't wait until I see the first punk kid with his shiny new useless iPhone so I can give him a good flaming on what a REAL pda is..
sure he could have done some sort of release at the same time but would it have really hurt?
all the retard apple junkies would still be retard apple junkies, heres a joke and a fact in one.
what can a microsoft user do that a mac user cant? shut the **** up!
i swear they are all just hippys that think they can frigin change the world with there blogs about the dumbass insignificant boring lives, why do they have video blogs and **** like that? becuase they cant find anything else better to do...
hmm so, honestly in short. the iphone is an awesome "top of the line" (notice i didnt type revolutionary) phone for idiots... people that cant figure out ANYTHING on their own... apple was very smart in making a powerful phone with MANY shortcomings Idiotproof... that is the cold hard truth.
if anyone one of those mac luving morons did their research and actually bought the "best" phone, they would be heading over to htc.com
first is was the motorola razr, now its the iphone. Wm7 next? haha
i luv how macs lovers like to think that there macs and crap are customizable becuase that have different color schemes... lmfao. wow blue, wow red... what is the scheme to make the iphone not suck? oh yea it doesnt exist... its still just the overrated overpriced new crap fad from america. i cant wait til they use their keyboards muwhaha. "wtf i pressed p and it typed o, wtf.. w and i pressed e..." I'll love to hear that ring.
im not gonna get in this debate about ms vs mac or gates vs jobs. all i know is...
the iphone is a jerk off
all show and no substance
no mms
no 3g
on screen qwerty covers up things you are replying to
no video messaging
no browser plugins!!!!
safari only (kmfa)
no sim
no mp3 ringtones
plus the silly a** price
no REAL third party apps
that in my humble opinion means it is not worth the trouble. i must admit i wanted one at least to tinker with. but after reading specs. its a big hell no for me. the iphone could have been an htc, pocket pc/smartphone, for that matter-every phone killer and it fell short.
I agree with you hiimcliff
People in the know....know not to waist their $ on this glorified ipod
Waiting on the Kaiser myself ... a real device.
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I agree with you hiimcliff
People in the know....know not to waist their $ on this glorified ipod
Waiting on the Kaiser myself ... a real device.
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i also despise all of that iphone skinning crap. i think its so ridiculous
the only good thing that can come out of the iPhone is that Microsoft gets its head out of its ass and starts working on making WM even better. They have a long way to go.
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no mp3 ringtones
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guys look and be sure u will be seeing this within the next month at least.
itunes, u can buy?
movies
tv shows
music vids
songs/albums right?
next up is ringtones, i luv how apple will milk there customer for all the money they got.
u like a song so u buy it, oh wait ur phone cant play mp3s... *damnit* oh look ringtone section only 99 cents omg!
i think most of us just get sound program cutter and clip one then format it to a decent size... at least that is what i do.
I must say you guys are all idiots. You are the kind of people who pick something to hate for no reason. I on the other give things a chance and dont have my opinion made up before ive tried something out. I myself am not a huge Apple fan have never owned a mac or ipod but i got to try out my brothers ipod as compared to my cingular 8125 and i am happy to say that it made my 8125 look like a sorry piece of **** that it is.
For you to say its no good or that Apple is no good is just ignorant if you havent tried it
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I must say you guys are all idiots. You are the kind of people who pick something to hate for no reason. I on the other give things a chance and dont have my opinion made up before ive tried something out. I myself am not a huge Apple fan have never owned a mac or ipod but i got to try out my brothers ipod as compared to my cingular 8125 and i am happy to say that it made my 8125 look like a sorry piece of **** that it is.
For you to say its no good or that Apple is no good is just ignorant if you havent tried it
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your name calling and 4 posts show us all who is boss.
if you read the thread then you see the list of things that the phone is missing. but by all means spend $500 for the iphone and $59-99 for the plan, and $29 each nintendo retro game, and $.99 each ringtone; while i enjoy my $39.99 plan with $29.99 internet plan, free .mp3 ringtones, and a phone that does everything the iphone does and more with no restrictions.
first of all, it's not hard to make a 8125 look bad.. Considering it's bulky design, slow processor, etc... If you had a Hermes you would be whistling a different tune.
I fear that I will do something hasty like blow up my 8525 and go back to a razor and be done with it. Today, yet another let down, the 25th and no tilt, but I hear it will be out the 7th, oh wait maybe November or maybe Christmas. I have an idea, maybe all of those that are thinking of pulling another release date out of your ass you could show this message to a friend or family member. I say this because I would like them to break your fingers so you cannot type this **** anymore. Losing my f-ing mind in case you couldn't tell. Tired of waiting, and "officially" hate at&t.
If I end up getting a tilt I think it will be a giant let down considering how we have all built it up from all of the anticipation. Its kinda like hearing about a new movie and then finally seeing it and it sucks.
booo freakin hooo. Even if the Tilt was coming out today (09/25) it's not even noon EST and your complaining like a little kid. Go punch a pillow and wait like the rest of us.
I hope someone breaks your fingers so you can't type this **** anymore.
there was a story on CNN about people like this .. gadget fetish, to the point of it being an illness, they implied
i like electronic toys too, but i'm not quite ready to get violent about it.
i'm stuck using a 5 year old total POS nokia phone waiting on 8925, i'd be THRILLED to be using an 8525 in the meantime
I hope someone breaks your fingers so you can't type this **** anymore. [/QUOTE]
Like You? One thing I hate about the internet is everyones so far away. Times like this it would be so much nicer to be face to face, ya know. Besides *****, it was somewhat of a joke, Ill spare everyone the internet tough guy thing because its fun to come here but watch who you insult.
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there was a story on CNN about people like this .. gadget fetish, to the point of it being an illness, they implied
i like electronic toys too, but i'm not quite ready to get violent about it.
i'm stuck using a 5 year old total POS nokia phone waiting on 8925, i'd be THRILLED to be using an 8525 in the meantime
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I know what your sayin, I know I should be content with my 8525 i just cannot stand to wait. Maybe this is a lesson in patience for me LOL, I will try, sometimes you just gotta vent to your fellow ppc addicts
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I fear that I will do something hasty like blow up my 8525 and go back to a razor and be done with it. Today, yet another let down, the 25th and no tilt, but I hear it will be out the 7th, oh wait maybe November or maybe Christmas. I have an idea, maybe all of those that are thinking of pulling another release date out of your ass you could show this message to a friend or family member. ..... Tired of waiting, and "officially" hate at&t.
If I end up getting a tilt I think it will be a giant let down considering how we have all built it up from all of the anticipation. Its kinda like hearing about a new movie and then finally seeing it and it sucks.
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Okay let me see if I have this straight:
1) you want to get a Kaiser
2) You are waitng for ATT to come out with one
3) You are loosing your hair and getting an ulcer because they cant pick what date they choose to actually deliver the aforementiond Kaiser
Would not the solution be to just go and buy one from one of the many people that are selling them now? I understand that you will have to pay more for it, but in the two months you are waiting for it I will have been using mine.
If it is a cost thing that keeps you from getting what you so badly desire then you have to take your share of the blame as when you made your purchasing decision you obviously factored in cost vs. wait time to get it.
Just my thoughts
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Like You? One thing I hate about the internet is everyones so far away. Times like this it would be so much nicer to be face to face, ya know. Besides *****, it was somewhat of a joke, Ill spare everyone the internet tough guy thing because its fun to come here but watch who you insult.
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I was just quoting you buddy. Your obviously taking it to heart replying with an insult then saying "Ill spare everyone the internet tough guy thing" in the same sentence. Just silly web forum crap, don't take it so personal. Good luck getting your tilt.
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Okay let me see if I have this straight:
1) you want to get a Kaiser
2) You are waitng for ATT to come out with one
3) You are loosing your hair and getting an ulcer because they cant pick what date they choose to actually deliver the aforementiond Kaiser
Would not the solution be to just go and buy one from one of the many people that are selling them now? I understand that you will have to pay more for it, but in the two months you are waiting for it I will have been using mine.
If it is a cost thing that keeps you from getting what you so badly desire then you have to take your share of the blame as when you made your purchasing decision you obviously factored in cost vs. wait time to get it.
Just my thoughts
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Good points, although I should not be saying this but I have a friend at a at&t store who I refer allot of business to. I get these devices for literally next to nothing, prob like $0-$100 so buying an unlocked kaiser would not make sense. Just very frustrated.
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I was just quoting you buddy. Your obviously taking it to heart replying with an insult then saying "Ill spare everyone the internet tough guy thing" in the same sentence. Just silly web forum crap, don't take it so personal. Good luck getting your tilt.
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No hard feelings, just misunderstood. Oh and that was not my idea of being tough hence my comments after.
i am frustrated, too. i have been waiting for what seems like an eternity, and since I lost my PDA at the end of August, I am having serious trouble waiting any longer. For different reasons, I need to wait for the tilt to come out before i rush out to get a TyTN II.
funny, the delay of the tilt kind of took some of the luster off the Halo3 launch for me, too. I mean, Halo 3 is amazing, but I have this yearning for a tilt that won't leave me alone.
swtaltima, i think you are probably getting a lot less sympathy/slack here than you might at other forums because so many people here already have the TyTN II. i mean when i read your posts, I recognize your frustration.
Does the OP infer that AT&T offically posted a release date for the TILT?
Really?
Because if not, they broke no promises. ****, it hasn't been announced yet, has it? I wish people would shut up about the 8925/TILT until they've at least publicly acknowledged it exists. What's worse is, if they released it today and all the bugs weren't worked out, you guys would be the first to ***** about it. They can't win.
If you're in such a hurry to get it, do like the rest of us and open up your wallet. The Kaiser's been available for some time now.
-Mc
I dropped by my AT&T store at lunch to see if they had the Tilt. The girl said she had been off for the past four days so she would go check with the manager. The manager came out with his 'catalog' book and looked it up and said, 'No, we expect to see it on 10/15'. I asked about the Moto Q9 Global and was given the same date.
Whether they are clueless or not, I don't know. I originally got a Blackjack back on the 11th just to tide me over until the Tilt came out. Thinking that 30 days would be plenty of time for it to show up now appears to be quite naive on my part.
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Does the OP infer that AT&T offically posted a release date for the TILT?
Really?
Because if not, they broke no promises. ****, it hasn't been announced yet, has it? I wish people would shut up about the 8925/TILT until they've at least publicly acknowledged it exists. What's worse is, if they released it today and all the bugs weren't worked out, you guys would be the first to ***** about it. They can't win.
If you're in such a hurry to get it, do like the rest of us and open up your wallet. The Kaiser's been available for some time now.
-Mc
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i don't see any reason people can't express frustration. no one is saying AT&T made and broke any promises. Quite the contrary, people are saying there is no need for AT&T to be playing everything so close to the vest. I think people are saying they would like to know where things stand and would appreciate updates from AT&T itself instead of leaked news and rumors. it seems natural to me, as a consumer, to want this information. people are frustrated with AT&T mainly because of its poor track record in customer service and its slavish devotion to the iphone as opposed to "better phones", and as a result, people think maybe AT&T is holding the tilt back to squeeze out more iphone sales or even 8525 sales. maybe that is not what AT&T is doing, maybe AT&T is trying very hard to make sure the Tilt is perfect before it is released. however, i can see why people may be less inclined to believe that and more inclinded to believe that the lack of info about the phone and the lack of launch details were concious decisions made by AT&T to sell more phones.
i know i feel kind of bad every time i go into an AT&T store to check on the latest buzz about the release and see a customer with a clueless phone rep checking out the 8525. now i am not saying the 8525 is not a good phone, by all accounts it is a great phone. what makes me feel bad is knowing that the customer may very well prefer to wait for the 8925 if only the sales person told them about it. however, i never see any sales reps doing that.
Spoke to the sales rep that signed me up to AT&T a few days ago. He mentioned that the 8925 is gonna be so castrated, that if you pay hypothetically 399.00 for it from AT&T, you will get a phone that's worth 399.00. I will take an educated guess that they will remove the video conferencing ability, the Internet sharing function and any other, "Super-Phone" ability the kaiser may have that will keep AT&T from ripping off their customers.
To be honest, if you really want the Kaiser, then buy it. If you wanna wait, then wait for T-Mobile, since they are a much more honest company.
I'm sure whats happening right now with AT&T and the 8925 is, they are testing it on their network and finding that they need to remove certain features before they can release it to the public. As soon as they are confident that they won't be shooting themselves in the foot by releasing a "super phone", then they will release it.
Just my opinion, and only my opinion.
JB
You want it like the rest of us... it will come out when it comes out - Not much we can do here. I'm still stuck with my nasty 8125. It will be a great upgrade skipping the 8525 I'm sure.
You need something else to tide you over... For me, it's Halo 3.
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I know what your sayin, I know I should be content with my 8525 i just cannot stand to wait. Maybe this is a lesson in patience for me LOL, I will try, sometimes you just gotta vent to your fellow ppc addicts
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fair 'nuff, i'm with ya brother. i REALLY want that damn thing too !
Yeah, i'm using my 3125 while i wait for the tilt to come out!!
I'd really just like a launch date so i know where it stands and i can stop obsessively checking forums for release news
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Spoke to the sales rep that signed me up to AT&T a few days ago. He mentioned that the 8925 is gonna be so castrated, that if you pay hypothetically 399.00 for it from AT&T, you will get a phone that's worth 399.00.
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How does removing the front (and useless, to me) camera count as "so castrated" ?
Everything I'm seeing implies that will be the only difference between ATT's and the twice-as-expensive unlocked Kaisers.
this thread is pointless... you are getting pi$$ed off over a release date that was never even given by ATT ... if you want a kaiser then buy one, if you want to get pi$$ed then get pi$$ed at the people who told you the incorrect release date... please DO NOT open another useless thread like this.... this is a warning... a good ole' fashioned banning will come next
My kaiser is boring me recently.
My friend got a brand new iphone 3g, and it's pretty slick and way better than the original iphones.
I kinda want one, but it lacks many features.
What phone is think and cool like the iphone, with a big screen, for USA and able to be used on AT&T?
It doesn't have to have a keyboard either.
Just something pretty cool
Lol, get lost stuff.
This kind of case don't need a new thread.
Go buy iPhone and don't come here back ever again.
D-bag
kristoff_sz said:
Go buy iPhone and don't come here back ever again.
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haha what a douche. You're going to have a hard time finding something at teh moment that's better than the tilt though. There's the iPhone 3g, but I think the plans are more $$ (dunno cause I'm on Tmo USA)
You could go with something like the touch cruise. I think that has a flush screen and no qwerty, but will feel just like the tilt otherwise. What about spending the big bucks and getting a diamond? I played with eth sprint version and thought it was pretty cool.
Best bet is to probably wait until the touch pro is available on ATT, or wait and see if any android phones come out of the woodwork.
I also want to throw a shout out for a Nokia N95-3. Decent size screen, but not huge. Can do much of what the tilt does, some better some worse. One plus/minus, depending on how you see it (wow people on XDA can have different opinions?? What a novel concept) is that it looks just like a normal phone.
Aww Stuff, I never expected you to post the weekly I'm done with Kaiser thread.
I'll give you my standard reply,
"Don't Go Away Mad, Just Go Away "
Thread Closed pursuant with the Guidelines set forth in the Kaiser Section Announcement and the Forum Policies.
So I have been using my lovely N1 with AT&T from the day I got it. Just popped my old SIM card into the N1, added a $15/month unlimited data plan and presto blamo it worked like a charm.
So last night I get a text from AT&T telling me I need to add a "smartphone" plan to my account. How do they know I have a smartphone? Anyway, I ignored it. Just now, I got a message from them telling me my phone plan had been upgraded to the minimum plan...$30/month. I am now paying $15 more a month for absolutely nothing.
Buh-bye AT&T...going carrier shopping. Good thing I am not in contract! That's what using unlocked phones will let you do!
Same issue. I guess they figured out how to find nexus ones on their network.
My thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=630660
Anyone know how they do this ? can we hide the phone model from them ?
you imei is a digital trace. once you make one phone call or text from the phone, thats called billable airtime! your imei comes up in their system as what ever phone you are using in this case the nexus one. this is the same way tmobile knows how people are using a iphone
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Same issue. I guess they figured out how to find nexus ones on their network.
My thread:
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Anyone know how they do this ? can we hide the phone model from them ?
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no way to hide the phone at all
T-Mobile is waiting with open arms
Frankly, if a lousy dollar a day for data is too expensive, maybe you shouldn't have a smartphone in the first place.
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Frankly, if a lousy dollar a day for data is too expensive, maybe you shouldn't have a smartphone in the first place.
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quoted for truth.
Old MuckenMire said:
Frankly, if a lousy dollar a day for data is too expensive, maybe you shouldn't have a smartphone in the first place.
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quoted for truth.
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Everyones needs are different. I have wifi at work, home etc and have a premium GPS on my phone (offline maps).
Heres another one, actually an idiom.
A fool and his money are soon parted.
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Frankly, if a lousy dollar a day for data is too expensive, maybe you shouldn't have a smartphone in the first place.
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Amen!
I was just about to dial whine one one and call a Waaaambualnce.
If you don't want to pay, change network. You'll still have to pay so get over it.
Besides this is a Nexus One forum not my carrier is crap forum. Two threads that are the same and keep floating to the top of the forum list like unwanted turds.
SC
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Frankly, if a lousy dollar a day for data is too expensive, maybe you shouldn't have a smartphone in the first place.
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Good thing your first post here is a bash.
About paying for data and not paying for data:
For me I don't pay for any data on any phone. Why? No 3G, and I mainly use WiFi.
P.S I totally agree with "A fool and his money are soon parted"
AND to top things off, if someone was saving for a nice and shiny phone, this (and you) have no right to tell them "if you can't waste money, you cant have a new phone" saving for a 530$ phone and paying ONE TIME is far different than paying 30$ a month for data, when it isn't even used or isn't to its full capacity.
jm2c
ScaredyCat said:
Amen!
I was just about to dial whine one one and call a Waaaambualnce.
If you don't want to pay, change network. You'll still have to pay so get over it.
Besides this is a Nexus One forum not my carrier is crap forum. Two threads that are the same and keep floating to the top of the forum list like unwanted turds.
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Totally untrue. You can use this phone with a standard voice with T-Mob, how do I know? I do it.
The real problem is not the price but rather the fact AT&T charges you $30 a month when you can't even use their 3G on your Nexus One.
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Totally untrue. You can use this phone with a standard voice with T-Mob, how do I know? I do it.
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I did this with my tp2 also. I didn't think it was worth paying $30 a month to use when I have wifi pretty much every where I go. I like the nexus a lot better, so I pay for the data for now. However, I rarely use the data, so it is basically $25 down the drain every month.
It's not a matter of being able to afford it, flametards... It's about perceived value for services received.
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I did this with my tp2 also. I didn't think it was worth paying $30 a month to use when I have wifi pretty much every where I go. I like the nexus a lot better, so I pay for the data for now. However, I rarely use the data, so it is basically $25 down the drain every month.
It's not a matter of being able to afford it, flametards... It's about perceived value for services received.
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If you're wasting that $25 that's your own fault. Do what you did before if it worked fine.
The point is AT&T or T-Mobile can charge whatever they like. No amount of complaining in here is going to help that. If you want to have a moan the moan on their forums where they might actually see it. ( http://forums.wireless.att.com/ && http://forums.t-mobile.com/ )
Your complaints about carrier pricing are nothing to do with the Nexus One.
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The real problem is not the price but rather the fact AT&T charges you $30 a month when you can't even use their 3G on your Nexus One.
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Bingo. This just happend to me yesterday as well. I guess AT&T figured out how to detect the Nexus. I've been paying the full data price for years, just switched it over 2 weeks ago because of this phone. It is pretty weak since its only on edge...
I definitely wouldnt be down for paying 30 a month for Edge, that sucks. Also, why do people have to go trash every thread like it was a personal attack on them, if you dont like his post then dont read it, this is a discussion forum. You act like it automatically directed you here when you went to xda, no, you clicked the link, so click back, there, youre safe.
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I definitely wouldnt be down for paying 30 a month for Edge, that sucks. Also, why do people have to go trash every thread like it was a personal attack on them, if you dont like his post then dont read it, this is a discussion forum. You act like it automatically directed you here when you went to xda, no, you clicked the link, so click back, there, youre safe.
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Thanks.
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Your complaints about carrier pricing are nothing to do with the Nexus One.
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It is relevant to this forum since ATT only just discovered they can label the N1(EDGE) a "smartphone" and charge more money. Other phones with web support still get the EDGE pricing.
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Your complaints about carrier pricing are nothing to do with the Nexus One.
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Did you see me complaining? No, you did not. I was simply saying it was possible to not have a data plan at all which was contrary to what you said, incorrectly, earlier. "If you don't want to pay, change network. You'll still have to pay so get over it."
Advice: if you want the thread to die quit posting in it. By the way, AT&T changing their policy on the nexus pertains to the nexus in general. Hence this thread's location in Nexus One General sub-forum.
theomajigga said:
Good thing your first post here is a bash.
About paying for data and not paying for data:
For me I don't pay for any data on any phone. Why? No 3G, and I mainly use WiFi.
P.S I totally agree with "A fool and his money are soon parted"
AND to top things off, if someone was saving for a nice and shiny phone, this (and you) have no right to tell them "if you can't waste money, you cant have a new phone" saving for a 530$ phone and paying ONE TIME is far different than paying 30$ a month for data, when it isn't even used or isn't to its full capacity.
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I didn't bash anyone. Just stated my opinion based on the OP.
I hope not everyone here is as overly sensitive as you seem to be.
ahfunaki said:
quoted for truth.
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Normally i would agree with the 'it's only $15' rationale.
However since these guys can't use 3g, they should get SOME discount from the normal price.
If enough people are interested, I had an idea that DFW XDA members all return their Vivids at the same time for a mass return at the AT&T HQ store in order to make a statement. This is the heart of their operation. We can discuss this, but what I and others came up with so far is:
AT&T Mass Return
Tuesday December 6th at 1:00pm
208 S Akard Street
STE 110
Dallas, TX 75202
Customer Parking Available for 2 hours at:
1600 Commerce Street
Dallas, TX 75201
Everyone is invited. Whether you have a Vivid or not. I understand not everyone lives here, but all are welcome none the less.
Thanks to Radi0chik
What do you guys think of this idea?
Reclaim said:
If enough people are interested, I had an idea that DFW XDA members all return their Vivids at the same time for a mass return at the AT&T HQ store in order to make a statement. This is the heart of their operation. We can discuss this, but what I and others came up with so far is:
AT&T Mass Return
Tuesday December 6th at 1:00pm
208 S Akard Street
STE 110
Dallas, TX 75202
Customer Parking Available for 2 hours at:
1600 Commerce Street
Dallas, TX 75201
Everyone is invited. Whether you have a Vivid or not. I understand not everyone lives here, but all are welcome none the less.
Thanks to Radi0chik
What do you guys think of this idea?
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great idea.
Returned it already though.
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I bought mine from Amazonwireless... and I've already asked for an exchange to the skyrocket.
Plus the fact that I have school then doesn't help, but if I could come, I would.
can some one help me decide on what phone to get on sunday once i return mine?
i think that lg nitro hd is nice, but ive heard the ui sucks on it... so i was thinking either that new google nexus phone (sorry, im new to android and cant remember all these pohones) or the gs2... id rather have the og gs2 cause its faster than the skyrocket and i dont care to have lte
randrewm97 said:
can some one help me decide on what phone to get on sunday once i return mine?
i think that lg nitro hd is nice, but ive heard the ui sucks on it... so i was thinking either that new google nexus phone (sorry, im new to android and cant remember all these pohones) or the gs2... id rather have the og gs2 cause its faster than the skyrocket and i dont care to have lte
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Yea if your going to go with a gs2 Definitely get the OG. The Skyrocket has issues with screen resolution and such. As far as the LG Nitro goes I think that is up in the air considering it is going to have a full 720p screen. I am actually slightly leaning toward the LG just because of that but I still need to research it a little bit more.
Yes. I am wondering the same. Though I'm not sure if it will be rooted... New to thus android world. Also, I'm not sure how the devs will take the phone. I heard the lg ui is like touchwiz but retarded... Not meaning to insult. I'm hoping someone will do a good overview of the nitro by sunday
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I heard the lg ui is like touchwiz but retarded...
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IMO, both of those UIs are on par with excrement. On day 1 of owning my Captivate, I switched launchers. Even on Froyo/GB, I could not put up with it and just went full AOSP launcher-wise. If the LG launcher is the same, I know that I won't like it for sure.
Sense is the only aftermarket UI that I like, hence why I ended up with this phone.
EDIT: Also, what's even the point of this? Sending a message to AT&T about this phone would do nothing with you guys mass-returning it. After the event, you wouldn't even care what happened to this device's development life anyway, while you guys all go for Nitros or Skyrockets or whatever phone fits your fancy.
Occupy AT&T....not a chance
You mad cause you have no root...?
Root doesn't allow you to do much anyway other than to either overclock your CPU, make a complete backup of your rom, flash any random rom you want etc...
All the phones have the same CPU chipset, you're just paying for different screen resolutions and plastic shells that cover everything
Samsung couldn't even use its custom CPU because it lacked the ability to incorporate LTE technology, so they chose the Snapdragon S3 APQ8060 dual-core CPU...the same one in the Vivid, and the same one is in the LG Nitro.
Its the only CPU capable of allowing AT&T's 4gLTE service to run smooth for the end user
So go ahead, boycott the Vivid, youre only benefit is a screen with a smaller resolution or a screen with a higher resolution, plus youre still gonna pay the difference plus a $35 restocking fee is applicable...
It seems to me that the problem isn't the Vivid. It's AT&T. If you really want to make a statement then keep this amazing phone, cancel your contracts with AT&T, and allow the devs to continue working on unlocking and fully rooting the device which you know they will. This will do two things. One: send a message to AT&T that will cost them BIG-TIME. Two:Once the devs see how many people are willing to SACRIFICE their wireless mobility for such a great device, they may release a carrier unlock and varying radio support for the different competitors for the vivid. There are some major competitors that offer much better rates and data packages with full LTE support that DON'T lock bootloaders.
It seems silly to put such a serious and damaging halt to great development just because you're unwilling to sever the head of the snake, whereas mass returns will accomplish nothing. Well, not nothing, but if you REALLY want this problem addressed, make AT&T pay with the sudden loss of income. HTC isn't the problem. The Vivid isn't the problem. Big corporations have insurance policies to protect them when there's a problem with inventory/product defects/returns etc. But losing customers.. That just plain sucks for ANY business. Hit them where it hurts. The Next big awesome phone you want will just be locked up tight as well unless you send a CLEAR message they CAN'T ignore.
The Vivid counterpart in Canada (Raider) has already had great roms and kernels that work and are supported/updated every couple of days. I love this phone more and more and would switch carriers in a heartbeat if the company I pay my hard earned money to EVERY Month wasn't treating me like a VALUED customer. AT&T KNOWS what they're doing. They KNOW that what they're continuuing to do is WRONG. But they aren't listening becuase the customers aren't willing to lose they're precious contract they've worked so hard for.
Yes, it means going without the ability to use your nice phone for a little while. Yes it will suck having NO cellphone at all with all it's nice features at your disposal and whim. Maybe getting a junker from a better provider and waiting for the devs is asking too much.
Either that or stop and realize you've had your phone for ONE month. Forget everything I've said about teaching your carrier a lesson, and show some support for xda (maybe a little faith and gratitude as well) because they LOVE tinkering with HTC's products. I wonder sometimes if there would even BE an XDA team without HTC. Be patient, or teach them a REAL lesson in customer service. The alternative is YOU losing out, and feeling all proud and happy for giving up something you once loved. But then again nobody wants to admit they're ACTUALLY PAYING AT&T to treat us like prisoners. Stripping you of your right to DO WITH YOUR PROPERTY THAT WHICH YOU FEEL LIKE DOING.
While we're at it let's all go buy REALLY nice houses where we're not allowed to decorate, hang pictures, change the layout of the livingroom, or park our cars anywhere near.
Been following these forums since the beginning of this week when I ordered the phone through amazon. Now that it has finally shipped today after being backordered, I'm seeing this
and returning this, which I got for a penny, would mean I would have to pay full price for the phone I exchange for, correct?
I wish the morale in this forum didn't seem like it is dying away, but I understand that many of us are almost at the 30 day limit on exchanges and two years is an awful long time to go without an unlocked bootloader.
My first htc phone, after going through LG and blackberry.... which might be exchanged like all of yours....
I think a lot of you are missing the point. This is not just about the bootloader. everyone's reasons are different so I can only share my own. So if you have been paying attention to this forum at all you might get that. Personally my reasons are in no particular order: Carrier IQ, locked bootloader..not just because of development, but because you can't get rid of Carrier IQ while the bootloader is locked, being throttled by AT&T with normal use only halfway through my Billing cycle at only 3.6gb while I still have to pay full price even though I'm on an unlimited plan, their lack of answers, their silencing of our voices on forums, and those are just a few reasons. This is beyond "you mad about no root". And if you think I won't care about what happens after this, then you really haven't been paying attention. My plan is to import a phone or stick with my streak until I figure out a better option. If I use a phone they don't have on file for me, then I can at least not be throttled or be affected directly by Carrier IQ.
This idea isn't JUST for vivid users, and no one is occupying anything. This is for the returns to occur in one fell swoop so they can feel the hit they have caused themselves. As paying customers, most of us are tired of being treated like this. If you're having trouble understanding why and how this would matter, then you haven't been following this forum.
Returned mine already
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Returned mine already
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everyone Ganged up on me last time when I politely said 'bye bye vivid' not even a week back. Even my thread got deleted and I can't find it on vivid general section anymore.
I think it's worth sticking to Samsung for a while. Eventhough I love sense interface so much, I enjoy having good debloated ROMs that give me full potential of the phone.
I'm back to galaxy s2 and it's totally worth it.
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everyone Ganged up on me last time when I politely said 'bye bye vivid' not even a week back. Even my thread got deleted and I can't find it on vivid general section anymore.
I think it's worth sticking to Samsung for a while. Eventhough I love sense interface so much, I enjoy having good debloated ROMs that give me full potential of the phone.
I'm back to galaxy s2 and it's totally worth it.
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You might have been ahead of the game sir.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=19946984&postcount=173
Reclaim said:
I think a lot of you are missing the point. This is not just about the bootloader. everyone's reasons are different so I can only share my own. So if you have been paying attention to this forum at all you might get that. Personally my reasons are in no particular order: Carrier IQ, locked bootloader..not just because of development, but because you can't get rid of Carrier IQ while the bootloader is locked, being throttled by AT&T with normal use only halfway through my Billing cycle at only 3.6gb while I still have to pay full price even though I'm on an unlimited plan, their lack of answers, their silencing of our voices on forums, and those are just a few reasons. This is beyond "you mad about no root". And if you think I won't care about what happens after this, then you really haven't been paying attention. My plan is to import a phone or stick with my streak until I figure out a better option. If I use a phone they don't have on file for me, then I can at least not be throttled or be affected directly by Carrier IQ.
This idea isn't JUST for vivid users, and no one is occupying anything. This is for the returns to occur in one fell swoop so they can feel the hit they have caused themselves. As paying customers, most of us are tired of being treated like this. If you're having trouble understanding why and how this would matter, then you haven't been following this forum.
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The Carrier IQ situation will allow you to break free of your contract, not happy with AT&T, maybe it wasnt for you, not the first time a subscriber switched carriers. AT&T just got LTE when other carriers had it for longer and unthrottled, what stopped you from leaving then?, I have a bandwidth monitor on my vivid, the HTC IQ AGENT ( Carrier IQ ) doesn't take up gigs of your data plan, matter of fact it takes less than 1/10th of a MB. It is very freaky what this app is capable of and was pretty shocked when I saw the youtube vid. Did you know that uploads are also counted as well!. AT&T will soon realize that 4GB just isnt enough to satisfy customers.
Propose this, you have the ability to break free of your contract pretty soon cause of this whole CIQ debacle, if you want AT&T to keep your business, tell them you want unthrottled unlimited data on your grandfathered plan, they cant do that then just leave without penalty.
Its not HTC's fault AT&T has some weird business practices and contract practices that show up in forums / media from time to time, returning any carriers devices hurts sales and manufacturer reputation. Take the fight where it belongs, tell it to Al Franken..lol
penguinfishies said:
Been following these forums since the beginning of this week when I ordered the phone through amazon. Now that it has finally shipped today after being backordered, I'm seeing this
and returning this, which I got for a penny, would mean I would have to pay full price for the phone I exchange for, correct?
I wish the morale in this forum didn't seem like it is dying away, but I understand that many of us are almost at the 30 day limit on exchanges and two years is an awful long time to go without an unlocked bootloader.
My first htc phone, after going through LG and blackberry.... which might be exchanged like all of yours....
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I'm in the same boat as you got mine for .01 and it's a nice phone. The only thing I'd like to do is remove some bloat apps, but honestly who cares. Everything I've thrown at it works way better than it did on my EVO 4g on Sprint.
Its not like I have unlimited data with ATT and I pay for 4gig of data.
I'm keeping mine root or no root.
EDIT: I misread an article that I thought had said that HTC promised it unlocked in a month. Either way, you people are so impatient.
EDIT2: If this is for Carrier IQ then I totally agree, but for a phone that doesn't have an unlocked bootloader That's just stupid.
If you guys are seriously going to "occupy AT&T" then you are idiots. A few hundred people won't make that huge of a difference when they have nearly 100 Million customers.
In the end you're only hurting the development community because when it does get unlocked everyone would have left.
That's my $0.02. Good day.
Sent from my HTC Vivid.
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The Carrier IQ situation will allow you to break free of your contract, not happy with AT&T, maybe it wasnt for you, not the first time a subscriber switched carriers. AT&T just got LTE when other carriers had it for longer and unthrottled, what stopped you from leaving then?, I have a bandwidth monitor on my vivid, the HTC IQ AGENT ( Carrier IQ ) doesn't take up gigs of your data plan, matter of fact it takes less than 1/10th of a MB. It is very freaky what this app is capable of and was pretty shocked when I saw the youtube vid. Did you know that uploads are also counted as well!. AT&T will soon realize that 4GB just isnt enough to satisfy customers.
Propose this, you have the ability to break free of your contract pretty soon cause of this whole CIQ debacle, if you want AT&T to keep your business, tell them you want unthrottled unlimited data on your grandfathered plan, they cant do that then just leave without penalty.
Its not HTC's fault AT&T has some weird business practices and contract practices that show up in forums / media from time to time, returning any carriers devices hurts sales and manufacturer reputation. Take the fight where it belongs, tell it to Al Franken..lol
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You raise some really good points. Though I do feel HTC does have some degree of responsibility because it's on their branded product with their name attached to the actual app.
Infinimint said:
Wow... HTC already said they were going to unlock the bootloader for this phone. You people are so impatient.
If you guys are seriously going to "occupy AT&T" then you are idiots. I few hundred people won't make that huge of a difference when they have nearly 100 Million customers.
In the end you're only hurting the development community because when it does get unlocked everyone would have left.
That's my $0.02. Good day.
Sent from my HTC Vivid.
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Can I get a link to where they said they were going to unlock the bootloader?
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