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Hello people,
I just purchased a Samsung Galaxy S, and the overall user experience is very sluggish.
Is there anything I can do to have a freaking fast and smooth UI just like an iPhone 4 would have ?
I ran a lagfix (OCLF) that almost doubled my Quadrant scoring, but that seems to be the benchmark part of things. The user interface is still damn slow and buggy.
Any help will be appreciated,
Cheers
Depends on how far you want to go. (Ie, are you willing to void your warranty? )
You can start by installing alternative UIs, like launcherpro, or ADW..
Install increasingly warranty-voiding lagfixes, (actually once you root your phone, i think the warranty is void)
Flash a different kernel (check out android dev subforum)
Flash a different rom w/ all the above (I'm using Doc's froyo rom, it's pretty awesome)
nwsk said:
Depends on how far you want to go. (Ie, are you willing to void your warranty? )
You can start by installing alternative UIs, like launcherpro, or ADW..
Install increasingly warranty-voiding lagfixes, (actually once you root your phone, i think the warranty is void)
Flash a different kernel (check out android dev subforum)
Flash a different rom w/ all the above (I'm using Doc's froyo rom, it's pretty awesome)
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Hi there and thank you for taking the time to answer.
I don't really care voiding my warranty, all I want is a fast phone.
I just installed Launcher Pro, and entering/exiting apps is now much faster.
However, I still experience some lags from time to time. Its weird, I don't even know how to explain it, but the overall user experience is not as fast and smooth as it could be on an iPhone 4 or even on a Windows Phone 7.
So far, here is what I've done :
- Applied OCLF lag fix, which doubled my Quadrant benchmark score
- Installed Launcher Pro
Is there anything else I could do other than flashing a new ROM (Doc's Froyo ROM install procedure seems to be very time-consuming) ?
Cheers
Flash an optimised kernel? Preferably one that has lag fixes in it.. there are a bunch of them in the android dev forum. Remember to undo any existing lagfixes before flashing, or it might mess up..
Don't think doc's rom install thing is really time consuming.. though i guess it depends on how long your definition is took maybe 30 mins to do it, not including downloading time. (And most of that time was spent re-reading instructions to make sure I didn't mess up )
I use autokiller on aggressive.
Never use anything samsung made, like the widgets, the keyboard, the messaging app,the dialer.
I found vooodoo much quicker than oclf in real life but now im using darkies rom. Its ok, but i think stock fw with voodoo might have been faster.
Btw darkies rom is REALLY easy to flash, you might want to try that, just check the devs forum.
theophane said:
Hello people,
I just purchased a Samsung Galaxy S, and the overall user experience is very sluggish.
Is there anything I can do to have a freaking fast and smooth UI just like an iPhone 4 would have ?
I ran a lagfix (OCLF) that almost doubled my Quadrant scoring, but that seems to be the benchmark part of things. The user interface is still damn slow and buggy.
Any help will be appreciated,
Cheers
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Welcome to sgs world.
Oclf is an old way to speed up the sgs.
The new way is to flash a custom kernel and apply lagfix. Basically you converting the filesystem.
You can also in some kernel apply different tweaks.
Sent from GT-I9000 jpo. My own kernel for z4mod and with 342MB Ram
theophane said:
Hello people,
I just purchased a Samsung Galaxy S, and the overall user experience is very sluggish.
Is there anything I can do to have a freaking fast and smooth UI just like an iPhone 4 would have ?
I ran a lagfix (OCLF) that almost doubled my Quadrant scoring, but that seems to be the benchmark part of things. The user interface is still damn slow and buggy.
Any help will be appreciated,
Cheers
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If you don't want to stuff around and have a phone that works out of the box sell it.
Does this lag applies to all phones ???
I have mine updated to froyo 2.2 and Installed tons of apps and games and widgets, I cant seem to notice any lag.
Animal06 said:
If you don't want to stuff around and have a phone that works out of the box sell it.
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I'll be doing this in the very near future, but I want to fully test the device before I say it's crap
Coolman4now said:
Does this lag applies to all phones ???
I have mine updated to froyo 2.2 and Installed tons of apps and games and widgets, I cant seem to notice any lag.
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Two of my colleges have a Samsung Galaxy S, and I can confirm that laggy behavior on both of their devices.
Here is a video illustrating the problem :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB1b0UrX9e0
If you make a couple of Google queries, you'll see that the world wide web is full of reviews, topics and videos regarding this problem.
I bet 5 Euro that you're running Android 2.1 in the device.
Logseman said:
I bet 5 Euro that you're running Android 2.1 in the device.
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Cool, you know owe me a pint of San Miguel
Use cm beta if your willing to out up no GPS or Bluetooth.
Other than that is the most customisable and fastest rom for our phone
~Webstar1
theophane said:
Cool, you know owe me a pint of San Miguel
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I'll pay it gladly ^^ I've been running 2.1 and I can understand why people would want to get rid of it ASAP.
Still waiting for official SGS Froyo update here in India before doing fixes.
So yeah, after trying many different froyo roms and after dealing with extremely low battery life, lags even after lag fixes I am pretty much fed up with this. My question is pretty simple, but I think the answer is negative ...
So basically, im looking for stock android rom for galaxy S, is it even possible ? Ive seen some with the stock unlock screen but those are still based on touchwiz.
And even if there arent, can someone suggest me some kind of ROM+kernel combination for good battery life and lag-less experience? I am NOT looking for high quadrant scores, just flawless experience. Im getting really frustrated.
closest to stock froyo is CM6, but its still in beta stage, u can check the progren on cyanogenmod forums in SGS section
Is it just me or does samsung really make mediocre ROMS (such as my galaxy S stock ROM)? Because people with free time (such as the makers of darky and cyanogen ROMS) can make way better ROMS with faster performance, better battery life and (subjectively) more user friendly! And keep in mind they do this for FUN!
Do other android makers such as HTC, LG and Motorola produce crappy ROMS as well? I wouldn't know because i havent owned any of them. Just my SGS which now runs on a custom ROM.
Feedbacks from android users would be much appreciated. thanks
Apart from the laggy file system i have no problem with Samsung rom .
better battery life and (subjectively) >>>Some would argue that that is wrong statement .
How more user friendly ???
jje
stock JPY has so far been the rom with the best battery life IMO
I have a Samsung Vibrant which is currently running a custom axura rom.
The reason why I switched was because the rom had file system errors which in turn cause the system to run slow, open the gallery would cause the whole phone crash at times... I'm not sure but others but I had camera issues, namely lag when I would open the camera it would sit there and take forever to start... also when I opened the app drawer it took forever to get smooth movement it was choppy and laggy.
The main reason why I rooted and got a custom rom is because of samsung and T-Mobiles endless claims that the phone will be updated to froyo soon ... I got my phone when it was first realeased and they told me by early September at T-Mobile which was no problem but then waiting forever on samsung to actually follow through on the 2.2 was a bit irksome. The same excuse of the phone is something new and there all different got old fast.
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Is it just me or does samsung really make mediocre ROMS (such as my galaxy S stock ROM)? Because people with free time (such as the makers of darky and cyanogen ROMS) can make way better ROMS with faster performance, better battery life and (subjectively) more user friendly!
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As far as I know, only Cyanogen 7 is actually a new ROM for Samsung Galaxy S, other are just a bit customized stock Samsung ones. And I think Cyanogen doesn't offer better battery life, isn't user friendly at all and as for speed - there have been reports that it slows down considerably after installing apps and using it for a prolonged time. But yes, it's still in beta state.
"People with free time" can trade a bit of battery life or reliability for speed, Samsung can hardly afford that. But I'm not saying they haven't done some actuall fixes and upgrades, Voodoo sound tweaks come to mind among others.
i think samsung have done their best to produce the 'safest' ROMs. the developers and modders over here on XDA have tweaked this for better battery life or speed ect, but on every post that contains a ROM or Kernel or MOD states that you run the risk of bricking the phone.... samsungs stock ROMs dont have this risk..... unless you use kies haha
I'm very happy with the latest JS3 (a very good one i think).
Seems as fast as a lagfixed JPx, with better battery life (especialy in idle).
I never noticed a single lag with this version and dont feel the need for a lagfix anymore.
If you want to stay on official releases, you should give it a try...
okay maybe i gave the wrong argument by saying that samsung ROM sucks. It could be a matter of personal preference (such as why oh why did they try to make it look like an iOS)
The new question now is, why didnt they use EXT4 or even EXT2 in the first place? Their filesystem made my SGS lag the longer i used it.
The real question is, why does it take 6 months from release until Samsung have their software figured out?
It is true that JS3 is performing on par. The problem is that it was released in January this year, and not June last year, when it should've been released.
If only Samsung had a software development department that was able to match their hardware engineering department.
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TIf only Samsung had a software development department that was able to match their hardware engineering department.
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They do. Its members are supercurio, hardcore, stefunel, Darky, ficeto and the whole lot of people. It's good for them because they have fun and it's good for Samsung because they cover the more vocal minority of people who use the phone with custom content which costs very few pennies for Samsung.
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The real question is, why does it take 6 months from release until Samsung have their software figured out?
It is true that JS3 is performing on par. The problem is that it was released in January this year, and not June last year, when it should've been released.
If only Samsung had a software development department that was able to match their hardware engineering department.
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Remember, Samsung were also working on updating drivers and porting froyo too.. I would say some problems were semi-exagerated at times too
Hi everyone,
I've never used an HTC Android before, although I've had a Galaxy S for a while now. Looking to get a Dream for my fiancee who's a total newbie to Android, and despite looking for answers a lot, I couldn't find what the latest CM build for G1 offers (or any other custom ROM). From what I've gathered, the G1 is severely constricted in its default form, and while it's evident that CyanogenMod is going to improve things a lot, what specifically is going to change.
My main questions:
The Android version?
Apps2SD?
Impact on camera?
Speed?
Battery life?
Touchscreen responsiveness?
Any other info that someone can highlight, regarding whether this decision is wise or not (considering that G1 is the only cellphone falling in my budget atm)?.
I found this link on CM forums, but didn't make much sense to me. Any help would be greatly appreciated
I use CM6.1 now mainly because it's a bit snappier than CM5. A major feature that's missing for me is apps2sdext. Native froyo apps2sd still puts the data of apps in internal memory so apps2ext lets you have a lot more apps installed.
I had CM6 installed on my G1 and i was pretty slow. I also had apps randomly close because I guess the phone was running out of memory. SuperD with ram hack was really fast for me and I've had it installed for the past 4 or 5 months and haven't had any issues until yesterday but IDK if its a software or a hardware problem.
Hi guys,
I've flashed CM6.1 ROM (Froyo 2.2) to my Milestone a few weeks ago - and was enjoying it till one day I accidentaly hard reset and noticed that I have also removed the default launcher from ROM. So I had black screen and nothing appears after the phone was booted.
Well I could just have copied a launcher over from the PC, but I decided to restore my Nandroid backup.
To my surprise, the backup was the stock 2.1 Eclair ROM. So I was frustrated a bit to lose Froyo.
But after using Eclair 2.1 for a week or so, I have never enjoyed using the Milestone as much as this. It's fast and responsive, better than when I had Froyo.
I wanted to ask - is it true that Eclair 2.1 IS faster than Froyo, or did I flashed a slow Froyo ROM? In terms of memory management is great too. I can open more apps and keep them running than I can remember with my Froyo. With Froyo, I've encountered like foreground app close, and changing from one app to another will eventually killed the last app and had to load it back.
Or can someone recommend a very fast and good memory management of Froyo ROM for my milestone? Or it's really - Ok let's cut the crap and go straight to the point - Eclair that's leading in this race (and I've won?). Edit : The Eclair won!
I do miss the Flash 10 on Froyo... sigh, if only I can get it on Eclair still.
Thanks.
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Update: Well it's not a true-not-true anymore but it is TRUE that Eclair does run much faster than Froyo or Gingerbread. I'm using Telus 5.2 Eclair and I just can't believe the speed that I'm getting (it's like Milestone on steroid!). See my post on 2nd page. And no I'm not with Telus or related or what, but I highly recommend this ROM to Eclair users out there. This is definitely a keeper! I've also covered about the battery life and tempreture on the post on 2nd page. Have a read, and don't hesitate to flash Telus, you will never regret it. Now I am more hesitate to flash over to Froyo or Gingerbread even more after using it! Hey, I feel like I can outbeat a Tegra even
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Update: First of all I'm renaming this thread from "Milestone 2.1 Eclair faster than 2.2 Froyo" to "Discussion - Fastest 2.1 ROM for Milestone".
I saw some users asking about where this Telus 5.2 Eclair is.. so I'm providing the link here > http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=717377.
No I am not associated with the dev who made that ROM or whatsoever, and I am not duplicating the thread. Merely suggesting the fastest 2.1 ROM available (currently), for those who are not the 'wait and obey' users of Milestone, but to the 'commander' users of this device. Continuous discussions about which is the fastest 2.1 ROMs are still welcomed here, and of course, any ROM comparison discussions with other various versions (eg. 1.6, 2.2, 2.3, 3.0??) should head over here >http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1029887
I haven't used Eclair in a long time but I remember how clad i was when I flashed a custom ROM for a first time (some Cm7 nightly) and on my case my milestone felt blazing fast even with bad memory management and I "promised" I never go back to stock eclair and have kept that promise. I'm now running FroyoMod 2.6.1b and this is probably the most stable rom I've ever had and if u haven't tried it then u should because it just might me the rom that ur looking for when it comes to stability and capabilities.
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Hey MakeW00t , sounds interesting. But fast alone isn't enough for me. Good memory management plays a vital role as well. I just hate to see vital apps (eg. navigational software) got killed just because I had to read my SMS or check a few things on the calendar!
Anyway, thanks for your recommendation. Maybe I'll flash FroyoMod 2.6.1b when I feel Eclair is not enough.
I've been through that before "I never go back to stock eclair" But now that I had it back.. I can't see any reason NOT to..
neato4u said:
Hi guys,
But after using Eclair 2.1 for a week or so, I have never enjoyed using the Milestone as much as this. It's fast and responsive, better than when I had Froyo.
Thanks.
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Same here, it is nice to have a PHONE again, and Eclair makes it real... Sad but true... I tried and tested almost all mods available on this forum (including official stock froyo update and Froyo Mod 2.6, which unfortunately also appears to be frustrating and sluggish after only 2-3 days of intensive use, without too much apps installed at all!)... must admit that my personal favorite is MIUI by lalit79 (recommendations, great job done lalit!), but after some serious stability/speed issues in latest version (overheating during battery charge, ext2/4 not working whatever method I tried, FCs), Eclair is the ultimate choice of the moment (I need a stable and reliable device, for calls and long bussines emails, no crashes or FC-s or reboots)... at least, until a new MIUI version is ready... If you already didn't, try rooting and overclocking eclair with milestone OC (@900/56) - it gives a nice final touch of ultimate speed and joy of "Phone Without Compromise" (and official froyo is one BIG compromise, if you ask me)....
cheers!
Hi mcekic. Well as a matter of fact I did OC my Milestone using Milestone Overclock to 1000Mhz, 69vsel. Battery life is ok so I guess I'll stick with it for a while (If not I will use your 900/56, should give me more battery life - logically).
I believe I have the same needs as you, to have a real PHONE again!
Don't get me wrong, Froyo does have all the extra functionalities (I miss App2SD and Flash 10 the most - but I heard that this is possible on Eclair as well? Havn't done my homework yet in regards to this) but in the end, all that functionalities goes to waste when the performance is sacrificed.
I have also OC'ed the phone to 1Ghz when I was running Froyo. But I think the main culprit is the memory management. It just can't stop killing apps, and when it does, the phone felt slow. I used Autokiller, that helped a bit, but Eclair still wins.
Now, does anyone knows the best Eclair ROM ? I need a naked ROM if available. Whoa now that would be super fast!
Guys, I think this thread would fit in this one very well:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1029887
Roms: Continuous comparison of milestone roms and updates
well s0ulreaver, now that you mentioned it, I do think this discussion would very well belong there.
Can any mod possibly merge this?
I think Froyo is so heavy for MS. But in another view, it's not too bad.
Did you try stock ROM from Motorola?
Except DSI, I think it's acceptable. You can run at 550MHz without any problem.
With CM6, I have to OC at 750.
But now I use it for daily uses, because it's very convenience.
neato4u said:
It just can't stop killing apps, and when it does, the phone felt slow. I used Autokiller, that helped a bit, but Eclair still wins.
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yup, went back to eclair after several froyo/gb roms (cm6, froyomod, miui, cm7).
our milestone just don't have the ram for anything more memory demanding than eclair
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Now, does anyone knows the best Eclair ROM ? I need a naked ROM if available. Whoa now that would be super fast!
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i tried stock 2.1 from moto germany but then switched to telus lite 5.2 with a gb skin. it runs smooth and stable like a rock and can handle multiple apps in mem (facebook, maps, opera and minor stuff like talk, gmail, etc at the same time).
besides the skin it is pretty vanilla and wields all the nice stuff like overclocking and the cache hack.
Eclair is the best. i overclocked at 800Mhz with 58 Volts. Its smooth and no bugs/issues. It never restarts and works just fine.
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I think Froyo is so heavy for MS. But in another view, it's not too bad.
Did you try stock ROM from Motorola?
Except DSI, I think it's acceptable. You can run at 550MHz without any problem.
With CM6, I have to OC at 750.
But now I use it for daily uses, because it's very convenience.
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You mean stock Froyo ROM from Motorola? No I haven't tried it yet, but I saw this guy here posted Froyo stock running flash 10.2 on his Milestone overclocked to 1.2Ghz and it runs great
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaCspAW8RzA
i have never saw flash video that plays so smooth on the Milestone - and am happy to see one! I'm gonna try Froyo stock when i have the time, but of course, I need to do a Nandroid backup first
What's a DSI?
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yup, went back to eclair after several froyo/gb roms (cm6, froyomod, miui, cm7).
our milestone just don't have the ram for anything more memory demanding than eclair
i tried stock 2.1 from moto germany but then switched to telus lite 5.2 with a gb skin. it runs smooth and stable like a rock and can handle multiple apps in mem (facebook, maps, opera and minor stuff like talk, gmail, etc at the same time).
besides the skin it is pretty vanilla and wields all the nice stuff like overclocking and the cache hack.
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Well, I believe you're an experienced custom froyo ROM user then. For me I didn't have the time to flash that many froyo ROMs to test. But hey, I guess you've saved my time by sharing your experience with it right
Cool, I should not be doing much this weekend so I think I'll make up some time to flash telus lite 5.2 - The most important thing for me is to have a reliable phone, and a responsive one as well. Based on your recommendation, I think telus lite 5.2 fits the bill. Will try it out and give my opinion on it later. Thanks!
hp13 said:
Eclair is the best. i overclocked at 800Mhz with 58 Volts. Its smooth and no bugs/issues. It never restarts and works just fine.
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Hey I was running on 1Ghz 69vsel, now trying 800Mhz 58vsel. Hopefully there is a noticeable difference in the battery life! Thanks hp13!
neato4u said:
Based on your recommendation, I think telus lite 5.2 fits the bill.
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btw: if you want a gingerbread-look on telus lite (as the default skin and fonts are ugly imho) try "better gingerbread theme for 2.1". just make sure you delete settings.apk and motocardock.apk in the skin update zip.
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btw: if you want a gingerbread-look on telus lite (as the default skin and fonts are ugly imho) try "better gingerbread theme for 2.1". just make sure you delete settings.apk and motocardock.apk in the skin update zip.
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Thanks, hey, as a matter of fact, let me try this on my stock 2.1 ROM.
A bit update on my 2.1 stock, when downloading big files over 100MB via browser and saving to SDCard, my phone will eventually be in the 'sleep of death' mode where it sleep and will never turn on again - unless I remove and reinsert the battery of course. Not sure what's causing this.
Update : It was my MicroSD card which been causing this. It's corrupted somehow or rather ...
Another issue is that when I record videos and battery is low, during the end of recording, the phone will hang. Tried this several times when the battery is low (about 15% charge left), and confirmed that is the issue - why? possible cause maybe not enough power to process / save these videos? Snapping pictures works ok. On some devices (especially Samsungs), camera and video function will be denied access when battery is low. I guess this could be the issue unless anyone else have not run into this problem before?
hmm now i really want to go back to eclair, cm7 is to big for the milestone
Indeed, Telus Lite 5.2 is the way to go. Very good stability and speed.
Darn... I've just flashed Telus 5.2 last Sunday and it's TRUE that this is the fastest ROM available for the Milestone!
I just can't believe the speed that I'm getting. I feel that I can outbeat a Tegra even! Hahahaha..
The phone (compared to stock 2.1) is also cooler when tethering. I used to get up around 46c - 57c, with the Telus I'm getting like 34c - 47c with wifi tether on.
In terms of battery life. After 13hrs 10minutes, my battery went down from 100% to 50%. Edge was turned on all the time. 15minutes of Wifi tether with HSDPA on. 30minutes of fb and websurfing. 15 minutes on Papago GPS. Some SMS and whatsapp plus yahoo messenger runnin all the time as services. Not bad.
Highly recommended for Eclair users!
AFAIK though, nobody has been able to get app2ext working in Telus Lite.
People have gotten app2ext work with stock eclair though. (1 of these days, I plan to go back to rooted, OC'd, GOT sbf eclair. I assume that app2ext will work as GOT is heavily based on the stock eclair sbf.)
I assume that app2ext will work as GOT is heavily based on the stock eclair sbf.
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GOT Eclair is Stock Eclair, it is a Leak of the official Firmaware. only change is the vulnerable recovery afaik.
rest of GOT specific modifications are applied through OR! was one of the best Eclair FW's i tried (for the first time my alarm and geolocation service were working ; )
Darn... I've just flashed Telus 5.2 last Sunday and it's TRUE that this is the fastest ROM available for the Milestone!
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yeah i tried Eclair too again, rly a difference in speed, but some features brought me back to CM6.
imo there are good reasons to go back and stay at eclair, but there are also good reasons to stay on froyo tbh.
+speed speed speed
+multitasking
+battery life
-no flash
-old google apps some can't be updated (gmail, youtube)
-no "2 finger Map Rotation Maps"