Recently I've been seeing Nook Color's at $300 vs $250. Is there a new version out, and if so, anyone know what the difference is?
BTW, is there any way to tell if a NC on the shelf is the original Nook Color with the light sensor? I heard they changed the serial numbers when they change occurred. If so, how can I tell by looking at the serial number or is it obvious in some other way?
Thanks!
I don't know about the other questions, but the $300 price is just Home Shopping Network's ripoff rate. They do throw in a $5 value microSD card and a bunch of free public domain e-books (that anyone can download legally).
crabjoe said:
Recently I've been seeing Nook Color's at $300 vs $250. Is there a new version out, and if so, anyone know what the difference is?
BTW, is there any way to tell if a NC on the shelf is the original Nook Color with the light sensor? I heard they changed the serial numbers when they change occurred. If so, how can I tell by looking at the serial number or is it obvious in some other way?
Thanks!
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Haven't heard anything about a new version, but I'm guessing the light sensor got pulled out of manufacturing at the last second, maybe due to cost considerations. The early Nooks have an extra "circle" under the clear plastic about 1cm left of the "n" button, where I'm guessing the light sensor was supposed to go. You can see a picture of it here.
I don't believe newer nooks have the circle. I guess you could check a tear-down thread. In any event, it doesn't seem to be functional.
Hello, I bought HTC ONE brand new from eBay and after short use I found camera issue and the seller exchanged the phone with new one. Next I decided to sell it. After that the new buyer accused me for Fake phone. The main reason is the phone origin is asian, made for the asian region. The phone has firmware updates, Sense 6. I was 100 % sure that is Genuine but the buyer made me doubt a little. So we open a dispute in eBay. I will invite him here and let see who is right. He also said the IMEI number is cloned and the phone is not original.
The question is how to check if the phone is fake or original ? What's are the differences if they look exactly the same ? I think cannot exist fake copy or cloned phone which has the exact same software and hardware specifications as the genuine.
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Hello, I bought HTC ONE brand new from eBay and after short use I found camera issue and the seller exchanged the phone with new one. Next I decided to sell it. After that the new buyer accused me for Fake phone. The main reason is the phone origin is asian, made for the asian region. The phone has firmware updates, Sense 6. I was 100 % sure that is Genuine but the buyer made me doubt a little. So we open a dispute in eBay. I will invite him here and let see who is right. He also said the IMEI number is cloned and the phone is not original.
The question is how to check if the phone is fake or original ? What's are the differences if they look exactly the same ? I think cannot exist fake copy or cloned phone which has the exact same software and hardware specifications as the genuine.
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First off hardware specs can be faked easily enough. Most fakes have a mediatech chip and almost no ram. It is very hard to tell for those that dont know what to look for and to be honest you cant really be sure unless you buy it from HTC or a trusted reseller like amazon. I never buy devices off of Ebay anymore as the sellers can seldom be trusted when it come to mobile phones.
Here is the eBay store which I bought it from. As you see he claims that selling Genuine product and they have 99,3 % positive feedback.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/231164036101?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
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Here is the eBay store which I bought it from. As you see he claims that selling Genuine product and they have 99,3 % positive feedback.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/231164036101?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
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The first thing that is a give away that it is a fake is that the device doesn't have an 8mp camera. It has a 4mp ultra pixel camera. Don't trust feedback either. Alot of sellers have their friends give them feedback
I know about the camera. He's wrong in the upper description. The phone has 4 ultra mpx.
Look down the Technical Details is shown correct.
Down in terms he's wrote:
All items we sell are 100% Genuine and accurately described in the listings. We will do our very best to provide the highest customers service and aim to keep all customers happy. If you have any problems with the service or items you have received, please do not hesitate to contact us immediately to resolve your concern. For more sales inquiries or better deal , please contact us at [email protected]
Must be a way to find the true is it genuine or not.
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I know about the camera. He's wrong in the upper description. The phone has 4 ultra mpx.
Look down the Technical Details is shown correct.
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You can't trust what's on the page. They could put anything there.
There are apps that can ID the processors, etc. on your phone, though I'm not sure if these can be spoofed. But if it comes up with something weird, that would be proof it's a fake.
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You can't trust what's on the page. They could put anything there.
There are apps that can ID the processors, etc. on your phone, though I'm not sure if these can be spoofed. But if it comes up with something weird, that would be proof it's a fake.
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That's I'm talking about. There must be something that can't be spoofed. For exsample if you make a note which is so good spoofed how you will find if it's fake. There must be something different.
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That's I'm talking about. There must be something that can't be spoofed. For exsample if you make a note which is so good spoofed how you will find if it's fake. There must be something different.
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one look at the bootloader screen and a fastboot getvar all
should prove it's real
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one look at the bootloader screen and a fastboot getvar all
should prove it's real
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Even that can be spoofed. The only way to be sure is to by from a trusted source. We have even come across some that have gone as far as coping IMEI number from real devices.
CPU-Z is a reliable software to check hardware, like @iElvis said, I don't know if it can be spoofed, but I personally don't think it can be. Below is an image of CPU and GPU info of a legit HTC m7 (Verizon variant)
Sent from my HTC6500LVW using XDA Free mobile app
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CPU-Z is a reliable software to check hardware, like @iElvis said, I don't know if it can be spoofed, but I personally don't think it can be. Below is an image of CPU and GPU info of a legit HTC m7 (Verizon variant)
Sent from my HTC6500LVW using XDA Free mobile app
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Oh It can be. We have come across a few devices that are really good clones. They had to open the phone up to know it was a fake. But some things will give it away. Like most have small ram amounts, low res cameras. Things like that.
I am the buyer to whom the OP sold this device on eBay.
What she has neglected to mention is that the unit, which was originally sourced from Hong Kong, was supplied in entirely counterfeit packaging. The box is made of heavy polypropylene, rather than the card that all HTC's have long since been packaged in, and it has colour photocopied stickers front and back taken from a German language original. These copies also copy the HTC "98% reclyclable" logo that is shown on their authentic card-based factory packaging, despite the fact that clearly none of this packaging is likely to be in any way recyclable...
The box has no IMEI/Pin ID stickering of any kind, which again, is something found on all HTC packaging. The accessories supplied in the box are not those that come with this model, the SIM card pin is a crude copy, not an HTC original, the only paperwork in the box is a black and white photocopy of an HTC manual whereas this model is factory packed with a SIM tool card, a Warranty card, a user agreement booklet and colour manual.
I have come across pretty much this exact packaging (including the German language colour-copied stickering) about 12 months ago on another Hong-Kong sourced HTC One which eventually did prove to be a clone.
Since I'm not going to be opening up the hardware I have no way of determining for sure whether this particular handset is a clone or a refurbed original, what what I can say is it most certainly isn't a "Brand new sealed" unit in "original retail packaging" with a "manufacturers Warranty", which is how the unit was described when listed for sale by the OP, who also made no reference in her eBay listing to the fact that it has been sourced from Hong Kong.
Why you guys don't start a chat discussion with HTC. You will find how to on htc.com. They will ask you to provide them the IMEI and S\N and will tell you that if it's a unit from them or not and if it's under warranty.
And they may ask you some other things that will let you to know if it's a genuine unit.
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CPU-Z is a reliable software to check hardware, like @iElvis said, I don't know if it can be spoofed, but I personally don't think it can be.
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As zelendel suggested, pretty much anything can be spoofed if someone is willing to go to enough trouble. Apps like this aren't performing independent analyses on the internals, they're just sending queries to the chips to identify themselves. If the chip has been designed to reply with a false ID, the app won't know the difference.
I just didn't realize people were really going to that level to make fake phones.
What about the imei on the Sim card tray? I doubt if its an original Sim card tray, that it has a faked imei.
Hi everybody.
I buy the new joying intel sofia 2gb ram, and i would like to know if there is french owner of this product ?
I explain, i just want to know if joying improve the radio app of this new model, for example the post search automaticaly a better frequence for the same radio (that's what i want) or just when the post loose the signal of the station he switch to an other frequence even if it's not the same (not good)?
In the malaysk rom for RK3188 i've read that the new app radio modified do what i want (search a better station for the same radio ), in case the new joying do what i don't want, do you think the same radio app will be available for the new joying ?
Thanks everyone and sorry for english...
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Hi everybody.
I buy the new joying intel sofia 2gb ram, and i would like to know if there is french owner of this product ?
I explain, i just want to know if joying improve the radio app of this new model, for example the post search automaticaly a better frequence for the same radio (that's what i want) or just when the post loose the signal of the station he switch to an other frequence even if it's not the same (not good)?
In the malaysk rom for RK3188 i've read that the new app radio modified do what i want (search a better station for the same radio ), in case the new joying do what i don't want, do you think the same radio app will be available for the new joying ?
Thanks everyone and sorry for english...
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Hi, I'm afraid that despite having taken French in school, that I've pretty much lost all of it. Nevertheless, I will try my best to answer your question;
The primary user observable change to the new Intel/2GB units that Joying is producing comparing to MTCD RK3188 units, is related to system performance. The new Intel/2GB are considerably faster.
If I understand correctly, you are referring to some features of DAB[+] where it is able to switch between channels of the same broadcaster. Unfortunately, here in Canada, we don't get digital radio. We get the same old AM/FM analog radio.
While I have not yet received my Joying orders (being shipped currently), I do not believe that you will observe significant changes to the radio application. HOWEVER, it is certainly possible to apply the same kind of adjustments to the new unit's radio application as you refer to in the older units. In fact, it could actually be that the modified version of the radio application that you like could actually work directly on the new Intel units, however, this would depend on how the interface between the radio application and the actual radio is implemented, and whether or not the radio application includes any native code.
The thing to keep in mind, is that these Intel units are *very new*. Only a handful of people have them yet. Also unlike older MTCD/ARM devices, there are now multiple implementation. Many of the radio manufacturers are still using MTCD MCU boards with the Intel SoM's, but at least one (Joying) is using a very radical departure from that design. What isn't clear yet, is if the SoC <---> MCU interface is the same on the Joying, or if it is entirely unique.
Ok thanks.
No i don't talk about DAB ( no yet dab in france)....
I'm talking about AM/FM radio, i try explain with example :
In city "X" the frequence for "XdA radio" is 100.00.
In city "Y" the frequence for "XdA radio" is 90.00.
If i'm in "X" and i drive to "Y", does the autoradio switch automaticaly to frequence 90.00 to keep listen "XdA radio" or not ?
Thanks.
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Ok thanks.
No i don't talk about DAB ( no yet dab in france)....
I'm talking about AM/FM radio, i try explain with example :
In city "X" the frequence for "XdA radio" is 100.00.
In city "Y" the frequence for "XdA radio" is 90.00.
If i'm in "X" and i drive to "Y", does the autoradio switch automaticaly to frequence 90.00 to keep listen "XdA radio" or not ?
Thanks.
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Wow ok. I've never actually heard of that feature. So sorry, I can't actually answer the question.
Ok.
It's RDS and TA (alternative frequence), this features allow you to travel througth the country listening the same radio because the post search a better frequence for the same radio.
joying say is capable but on the RK3188, the post don't do this, it only change the frequence for a new one better even if it's not the same radio.
If i read good, malaysk modified the radio app in order to have what i want.
I hope joying do the same thing for the new model....
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Many of the radio manufacturers are still using MTCD MCU boards with the Intel SoM's, but at least one (Joying) is using a very radical departure from that design. What isn't clear yet, is if the SoC <---> MCU interface is the same on the Joying, or if it is entirely unique.
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Can you help me understand how you drew the conclusion that the Joying is a 'radical' departure from MTCD (it still uses an MCU - right?) and - drawing my own conclusion, rightly or wrongly - how the MCU could be significantly better in the Joying unit. Also were you aware joying are not a manufacturer?
Cheers.
No one with in new model joying in France ?
Thanks
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Can you help me understand how you drew the conclusion that the Joying is a 'radical' departure from MTCD (it still uses an MCU - right?) and - drawing my own conclusion, rightly or wrongly - how the MCU could be significantly better in the Joying unit. Also were you aware joying are not a manufacturer?
Cheers.
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Its hard to say if joying manufactures or not. There are a dozen DIFFERENTLY OWNED factories that crank out almost the exact same devices.
It doesn't take much to know that the Joying is different than all the rest. A quick VISUAL check of the inside of the thing shows it.
Check out this post for pictures of the inside of the Joying: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=69469794&postcount=3
And first post of this thread for pictures of the inside of MTCD: http://forum.xda-developers.com/and...opment/2gb-ram-intel-cpu-heres-specs-t3468322
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Its hard to say if joying manufactures or not. There are a dozen DIFFERENTLY OWNED factories that crank out almost the exact same devices.
It doesn't take much to know that the Joying is different than all the rest. A quick VISUAL check of the inside of the thing shows it.
Check out this post for pictures of the inside of the Joying: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=69469794&postcount=3
And first post of this thread for pictures of the inside of MTCD: http://forum.xda-developers.com/and...opment/2gb-ram-intel-cpu-heres-specs-t3468322
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Those of us who have been following MTC units for 3 years have been fully aware of the situation for a long time - there are indeed approx 12 manufacturers of MTC units, the software for them all is made by one company - MTC, the type of software is designated by the letter after "MTC" ie "B", "C" and "D", the 2 or 3 letter code in the MCU type is the manufacturer identifier and each of the 12 manufacturers can be identified by these letters, so no, its not "hard to say" who manufacturers it - quite the opposite we know EXACTLY who manufacturers it by the code in the MCU type
Joying does not manufacturer anything they are sellers, this has been known for years, any MCU with a "JY" in it is manufactured by Shenzhen Joyous. The phrase "The Joying" is meaningless as Joying does not just sell JY units it also sells some others.
All the Sofia units I ve seen so far ARE MTCD units because they have an MTCD MCU, as the attached picture clearly shows, hence threads about these units are in the MTCD section.
If, as you say the Sofia units sold by Joying are not MTCD, then we can identify them by the settings/about device screen to see if they are MTC or entirely unrelated.
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Those of us who have been following MTC units for 3 years have been fully aware of the situation for a long time - there are indeed approx 12 manufacturers of MTC units, the software for them all is made by one company - MTC, the type of software is designated by the letter after "MTC" ie "B", "C" and "D", the 2 or 3 letter code in the MCU type is the manufacturer identifier and each of the 12 manufacturers can be identified by these letters, so no, its not "hard to say" who manufacturers it - quite the opposite we know EXACTLY who manufacturers it by the code in the MCU type
Joying does not manufacturer anything they are sellers, this has been known for years, any MCU with a "JY" in it is manufactured by Shenzhen Joyous. The phrase "The Joying" is meaningless as Joying does not just sell JY units it also sells some others.
The Sofia units ARE MTCD units because they have an MTCD MCU, as the attached picture clearly shows, hence threads about these units are in the MTCD section.
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The SoFia Joying units are CLEARLY NOT MTCD, as internal pictures and firmware structure of these units CLEARLY INDICATES.
Take a careful read over this thread and note post (1) includes firmware structure for the FYT5009 based Joying units, and post (3) has internal pictures:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/and...t/intel-cpu-mtcd-mtc-units-intel-cpu-t3494083
Also, Joying is the public facing retail branch OF Joyous. You can argue about the organizational structure all you want, but at the end of the day, its the same outfit.
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The SoFia Joying units are CLEARLY NOT MTCD, as internal pictures and firmware structure of these units CLEARLY INDICATES.
Take a careful read over this thread and note post (1) includes firmware structure for the FYT5009 based Joying units, and post (3) has internal pictures:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/and...t/intel-cpu-mtcd-mtc-units-intel-cpu-t3494083
Also, Joying is the public facing retail branch OF Joyous. You can argue about the organizational structure all you want, but at the end of the day, its the same outfit.
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I have browsed the thread already, the about screen is still the quickest way for the OP to identify his unit, if he has an MCU like this "2016-08-29 15:46:12 JY_(NOR)__90_C9_7706_5009_CAN(GX)_Newlap" then indeed you are correct, the JY Sofia units are not MTCD and this thread needs to be moved to the "Android Auto General" section
I suspected that Joying maybe the retail arm of Joyous for while, but then I saw they also sold non Joyous units, so I decided that they were probably not Joyous, care to show me proof they are ?
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I have browsed the thread already, the about screen is still the quickest way for the OP to identify his unit, if he has an MCU like this "2016-08-29 15:46:12 JY_(NOR)__90_C9_7706_5009_CAN(GX)_Newlap" then indeed you are correct, the JY Sofia units are not MTCD and this thread needs to be moved to the "Android Auto General" section
I suspected that Joying maybe the retail arm of Joyous for while, but then I saw they also sold non Joyous units, so I decided that they were probably not Joyous, care to show me proof they are ?
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What non-joyous are they selling? Can you find anybody ELSE who is selling Joyous?
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What non-joyous are they selling? Can you find anybody ELSE who is selling Joyous?
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I bought a JY unit from someone who was not Joying a couple of years ago, so yes.
I cant remember what other types I ve seen them sell off hand - I try and keep up with developments with Android head units and as I said I d always assumed that Joying was the retail arm of joyous and I think I have said it on here before, maybe thats where you got it from ? And no I cant remember what non JY they were selling, just that I mentally noted that I was probably incorrect in assuming they were the retail arm of Joying. When I have some time I ll try and see where I saw non JY units they were selling.
So you have no actual evidence, you just made the same assumptions as me ?
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I bought a JY unit from someone who was not Joying a couple of years ago, so yes.
I cant remember what other types I ve seen them sell off hand - I try and keep up with developments with Android head units and as I said I d always assumed that Joying was the retail arm of joyous and I think I have said it on here before, maybe thats where you got it from ? And no I cant remember what non JY they were selling, just that I mentally noted that I was probably incorrect in assuming they were the retail arm of Joying. When I have some time I ll try and see where I saw non JY units they were selling.
So you have no actual evidence, you just made the same assumptions as me ?
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Well one piece of supporting evidence is the fact that none of the Joyous retail channels have been updated in *YEARS*.
I wonder if you just bought that unit from a reseller who bought a container of JY units for a discount and marked them up a few $$?
I guess in the end, it doesn't really matter anyway. As long as we kind of have an idea what is actually in the box.
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Well one piece of supporting evidence is the fact that none of the Joyous retail channels have been updated in *YEARS*.
I wonder if you just bought that unit from a reseller who bought a container of JY units for a discount and marked them up a few $$?
I guess in the end, it doesn't really matter anyway. As long as we kind of have an idea what is actually in the box.
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Well, it would be nice to know.
It could be that they decided to stop supplying others and sell them all through the "Joying" brand only, or maybe not.
Even if they do sell some units made by other companies as I thought I had seen doesnt prove its not them either, they could sell their stuff and other peoples too, I guess it should be filed in the "unsure" category at least for now
Hello.
I've received my new joying, but i'm disappointed.....
The radio app of older model show station name îbigger in the middle and in presets and the song title in middle but the app of the new one just show the frequency...i'm sad...
Someone buy the new joying and have the same issue as me ?
It's possible to put the radio app MTCFLATRADIO on my autoradio ?
Thanks everyone....
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Hello.
I've received my new joying, but i'm disappointed.....
The radio app of older model show station name îbigger in the middle and in presets and the song title in middle but the app of the new one just show the frequency...i'm sad...
Someone buy the new joying and have the same issue as me ?
It's possible to put the radio app MTCFLATRADIO on my autoradio ?
Thanks everyone....
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That seems like a very trivial complaint.
Yes...i know.
But radio is important to me and joying don't say me that the look of new radio app will change....
That's why i would like change the app for one look like the older joying or MTCFLATRADIO....
If someone can help me, it will be nice.
Thanks
newell63 said:
Hello.
I've received my new joying, but i'm disappointed.....
The radio app of older model show station name îbigger in the middle and in presets and the song title in middle but the app of the new one just show the frequency...i'm sad...
Someone buy the new joying and have the same issue as me ?
It's possible to put the radio app MTCFLATRADIO on my autoradio ?
Thanks everyone....
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Hi , the radio app is like you say, only frequency in big numbers...
you can save the radio name and edit , but it won't appear in screen center.
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Hi , the radio app is like you say, only frequency in big numbers...
you can save the radio name and edit , but it won't appear in screen center.
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Once root is obtained it would be quite easy to mod the xml of the radio apk to change the look.
If you install the app "APKextractor" you can remove it without root ready for modifying maybe give it to someone else, maybe one of the people who do modified MTCB/C/D apps ?
Can I post hardware questions here?
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Can I post hardware questions here?
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Sure, why not? If it's to do with the S21U this is probably the best place.
You might edit the title in your first post to something more captivating like, "How do I interface a ceramic kiln to my S21U over I²C?"
Not sure I understand the reference to a "more captivating title", but as far as the phone here goes.
Got an s21 ultra, tmobile. Phone can't see any sim. I've TRIED all the OS related resets etc. Nothing works. Can't find a schematic other than the usual spammy looking ones in a google search. Nothing from Samsung.
I have the board out. It did have a hot spot on it while it was on. Removing a very small metal shield reveals an IC that has obvious high heat discoloration. Can't find any info in component. I see plenty of this model phone with the same problem for sale on auction sites.
Can I buy schematics/board level components for this phone?
No, you're not going to find any schematics.
If you have a good high res photo maybe somebody can tell you what the major parts.
I'd guess that the chance of getting everything working 100% is small.
You might be able to use it as an alarm clock or MP3 player or weather station.
I don't know e-sim!
Photo of short IC
More..
A9146
NDO32
KMO34
Sorry, I really can't see anything from those photos. That appears to be the processor.
If it got really hot any of the BGA connections underneath it could have gotten wrecked/shorted.
I don't even know what the interface to a SIM is, but it could have been lost.
eSIMs are like SIMs except that they are soldered in. If you have one, you have one. If you don't, you don't.
Really hard to believe no one has any hardware info. Maybe I am in the wrong forum.
Any ideas?
Other forums?