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Is it possible?
there are rumours that it might
TMobile released this teaser announcement when the Nexus One was released:
It continued, “And the best thing about the HSPA+ upgrade is that it’s backward compatible, so that the T-Mobile 3G-enabled device being announced this week … it’s getting faster in 2010.”
No.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolved_HSPA
"HSPA+ provides HSPA data rates up to 56 Mbit/s on the downlink and 22 Mbit/s on the uplink through the use of a multiple-antenna technique known as MIMO (for “multiple-input and multiple-output”) and higher order modulation (64QAM)"
To "modify the phone", you need "only" to change the baseband completely, which in Nexus is integrated with the CPU, in the same chip.
Normal 3G phones can "benefit" from the HSPA+ network, but they won't see full HSPA+ speeds...
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You wont get the top speed, but the Nexus hardware does support HSPA+ in a limited fashion. When Tmobile released HSPA+ in the Twin Cities I seen a considerable jump in data speeds. From 1 meg down on 3G to about 3.5 down when connected to HSPA+. Tmobile sucks here in Minnesota so I only get HSPA+ when I'm outside. Hence it is useless because I don't use my phone outside for data.
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The rep told me that is is 4G capable, if it is now or will be, I have not heard anything about it or seen a 4G signal icon, only 3G. I have t-mobile in Florida FYI.
It's not 4G capable. I believe it can go up to 7.2Mbps, still plenty for most users.
is he/she a amazon rep , cause they said me that hd7 supports 4G and also they are hooking up all customers with 4G 200 mb plan with tmobile , even though i didn't believe that , but i asked couple of times to amazon woreless and their reps repeatedly insisted that hd7 has $G , thats strange. They are doing pathetic false advertising ; This is what they are saying exactly.......
T-Mobile's New, Expanding Super-Fast HSPA+ Network
As of June, 2010, T-Mobile has upgraded its traditional 3G network to HSPA+ in 25 major metropolitan areas across the U.S., and it plans to continue rolling out this network upgrade to over 100 metropolitan cities and up to 185 million people by the end of 2010. HSPA+ provides our fastest data speeds, up to 3 times faster than AT&T and Verizon's standard 3G networks, while allowing simultaneous voice and data capabilities for the ultimate wireless voice and data experience.
HSPA+ enabled areas will enjoy 4G-like speeds, with a theoretical capability of up to 21 Mbps peak download speeds (and typical download speeds averaging between 5 and 8 Mbps).
While this 3G-enabled mobile phone doesn't offer HSPA+ compatibility, it can benefit from enhanced speeds when connecting to the HSPA+ network today.
can anyone explain what does that mean?
It means up to 14Mb/s as compared to the normal 3G speed of around 3.5Mb/s. HSDPA+ goes up to 21.1Mb/s and HSDPA, which is what the HD2 and now the HD7 use, is basically considered to be 3.5G and rated up to 14Mb/s.
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now i got it , didn't understand why amazon folk were stressing that it supports 4G , this explains why tmobile tv is running like a trash on present 3G so once hspa+ is on 3g speeds too increase. thank you.
louisville said:
now i got it , didn't understand why amazon folk were stressing that it supports 4G , this explains why tmobile tv is running like a trash on present 3G so once hspa+ is on 3g speeds too increase. thank you.
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Actually, T-Mobile's 3.5G (HSDPA) is faster than Sprint's official 4G. TV should run perfectly fine on T-Mobile's super fast 3.5G.
T-Mobile TV's bad performance is only on the WP7 and hopefully Microsoft will fix that just like they need to fix youtube quality. I have the Vibrant as well and T-Mobile TV works fine on the 3G. At least on my HD7, Netflix has much better quality than Youtube and T-Mobile TV.
This article I found will clear the air on most of the misunderstanding of 4g capability. Google (CNET WILL THE REAL 4G PLEASE STAND UP) BTW I run Netflix on my HD7 flawlessly, and that is on numerous trips around Houston.. I <3 my HD7...
Sorry about not being able to post the actual link.. I'm a new user and can't post links..
f1restarter said:
T-Mobile TV's bad performance is only on the WP7 and hopefully Microsoft will fix that just like they need to fix youtube quality. I have the Vibrant as well and T-Mobile TV works fine on the 3G. At least on my HD7, Netflix has much better quality than Youtube and T-Mobile TV.
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I agree, netflix looks really good, especially when im on 3g. When im off 3g its acceptable. I do to love my HD7
MartyLK said:
Actually, T-Mobile's 3.5G (HSDPA) is faster than Sprint's official 4G. TV should run perfectly fine on T-Mobile's super fast 3.5G.
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So, why call it 4g then? I guess they just put it out there because it is a good marketing technique? Saying your first and the only one with something has a pretty big affect, especially on the people who want the first and best of ANYTHING and EVERYTHING no matter the cost.
z31k said:
This article I found will clear the air on most of the misunderstanding of 4g capability. Google (CNET WILL THE REAL 4G PLEASE STAND UP) BTW I run Netflix on my HD7 flawlessly, and that is on numerous trips around Houston.. I <3 my HD7...
Sorry about not being able to post the actual link.. I'm a new user and can't post links..
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Great article, but it does not elaborate on the HD7 or any WP7 specifically, just carriers.
If I read correctly sprint is switching from the 1900 band to the 800 band, how will this effect the ONE and the EVO LTE.
They are scheduled to start shutting down June 30th.
Will we not get lte no more
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josh030181 said:
If I read correctly sprint is switching from the 1900 band to the 800 band, how will this effect the ONE and the EVO LTE.
They are scheduled to start shutting down June 30th.
Will we not get lte no more
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Here's the information on the frequencies:
GSM/GPRS/EDGE
850/900/1800/1900 MHz
WCDMA
AT&T: 850/1900/2100 MHz
T-Mobile: 850/AWS/1900/2100 MHz
Sprint: 700/AWS MHz
CDMA
Sprint: 800/1900 MHz (BC0/BC1/BC10)
LTE
AT&T: 700/850/AWS/1900 MHz
T-Mobile: 700/AWS MHz
Sprint: 1900 MHz
josh030181 said:
If I read correctly sprint is switching from the 1900 band to the 800 band, how will this effect the ONE and the EVO LTE.
They are scheduled to start shutting down June 30th.
Will we not get lte no more
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I don't think it will affect either phone at all. The iDEN network is for Nextel phones. The HTC One and Evo LTE use Sprint's CDMA network. The iDEN network and Sprint's CDMA network are completely separate. Shutting down the iDEN network simply means Nextel phones will no longer work. The shutdown will in no way prevent your One or Evo LTE from using LTE.
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If I read correctly sprint is switching from the 1900 band to the 800 band, how will this effect the ONE and the EVO LTE.
They are scheduled to start shutting down June 30th.
Will we not get lte no more
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From what I've read since they announced Network Vision is that they will continue to build out LTE over the current 1900 mhz frequencies and convert the iDen Nextel towers to LTE to supplement the 1900 towers. I hope they continue building out both.
The higher frequencies (1900) are better at long distances, but poor at penetrating buildings. The lower Frequencies (800) are the opposite. It would make sense they build out both, except that the HTC One and other currently released phones don't support LTE on the 800 mhz towers. We would have to upgrade again when they release a phone supporting that to gain that support.
dumb question here, but is 4G LTE the same as just 4G?
does this phone get LTE? I see other phones that display LTE next to the signal bar, but this one doesn't
magnumtripod said:
dumb question here, but is 4G LTE the same as just 4G?
does this phone get LTE? I see other phones that display LTE next to the signal bar, but this one doesn't
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They are not the same.
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dumb question here, but is 4G LTE the same as just 4G?
does this phone get LTE? I see other phones that display LTE next to the signal bar, but this one doesn't
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When you see 4G in the sprint HTC one you are getting LTE its just the symbol sprint went with .. Verizon shows a 4GLTE symbol .. if you have an old galaxy s2 or evo 4G (OGEvO) that is running Wimax and is not LTE ...
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When you see 4G in the sprint HTC one you are getting LTE its just the symbol sprint went with .. Verizon shows a 4GLTE symbol .. if you have an old galaxy s2 or evo 4G (OGEvO) that is running Wimax and is not LTE ...
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thanks! exactly what I was looking for
So are our devices future proof for when they start building LTE on the 800 band. As in does anyone know if our Ones are capable of utilizing the 800 band when they switch it over to LTE
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bvang89 said:
So are our devices future proof for when they start building LTE on the 800 band. As in does anyone know if our Ones are capable of utilizing the 800 band when they switch it over to LTE
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Yes to 3g on 800 but no to LTE on 800. They haven't release a phone capable of 4G on 800 yet.
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If I'm correct
Sprint is going to use both 800 and 1900 for their 4G and will add 2500 Mhz later on.
"Sprint's current LTE band near 1900 MHz (band 25), the phones will also support LTE near 800 MHz and 2,500 MHz. The 800 band (also known as ESMR, BC10, and band 27) hosts iDEN - which is being phased out - and CDMA. Sprint has previously announced plans to deploy LTE technology in that band in early 2014. "
http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/article.php?a=11771
Are our phones future proof? That's debatable. It all depends on which area you live in and their 4G deployment speed.
They will be able to use Sprint's crappy 3G speeds, which by that point should be less congested.
Lucky for you guys that actually get LTE. Here in AR I'm still stuck on their crappy 3g. I read their LTE gets around 10+ down where tested. That sounds freaking good enough to me at this point.
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Yes to 3g on 800 but no to LTE on 800. They haven't release a phone capable of 4G on 800 yet.
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Incorrect I'm afraid. Sprint will not be deploying 3G on the 800MHz band. Only CDMA voice and data and LTE, but no EV-DO (3G).
gk1984 said:
From what I've read since they announced Network Vision is that they will continue to build out LTE over the current 1900 mhz frequencies and convert the iDen Nextel towers to LTE to supplement the 1900 towers. I hope they continue building out both.
The higher frequencies (1900) are better at long distances, but poor at penetrating buildings. The lower Frequencies (800) are the opposite. It would make sense they build out both, except that the HTC One and other currently released phones don't support LTE on the 800 mhz towers. We would have to upgrade again when they release a phone supporting that to gain that support.
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Higher frequencies do not travel as far as low ones.
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Well, I've been misinformed. Thanks for correcting this.
Also, I've seen LTE on Sprint range from 2 Mbps to 12 Mbps. It depends on the area and I suppose signal strength. In one town near me, it's consistently around 4 Mbps, but less populated areas reaches much higher.
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Well, maybe 3G on 800mhz wasn't exactly misinformed. At least not completely.
http://www.extremetech.com/electronics/129995-fcc-approves-3g-and-4g
FCC approved Sprint to use that spectrum for 3G and 4G. This doesn't mean that Sprint will use it for 3G.
gk1984 said:
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Well, maybe 3G on 800mhz wasn't exactly misinformed. At least not completely.
http://www.extremetech.com/electronics/129995-fcc-approves-3g-and-4g
FCC approved Sprint to use that spectrum for 3G and 4G. This doesn't mean that Sprint will use it for 3G.
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This doesn't change what I indicated earlier, which is that Sprint won't be deploying 3G on 800MHz. Only CDMA 1xAdv and LTE will be deployed in that band.
gk1984 said:
Yes to 3g on 800 but no to LTE on 800. They haven't release a phone capable of 4G on 800 yet.
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Correct. The band in question, LTE over 800MHz is LTE Band 26. There is no equipment available that uses this band.
It's actually a huge chunk of sub 1GHz spectrum, 35MHz of bandwidth (including guard bands.) If Sprint can actually deploy this properly, they have the ability to be the best carrier in the US. Here's hoping the network gets deployed by the time we need to upgrade our O1nes.
Reference:
http://niviuk.free.fr/lte_band.php
So of all the Sprint phones on the market today, none of them have any advantage over the One as far as LTE bands go?
This would be good news to me, I thought I might not be able to connect to an LTE tower using a band the One can't use, but the GS4 could.
ajent said:
So of all the Sprint phones on the market today, none of them have any advantage over the One as far as LTE bands go?
This would be good news to me, I thought I might not be able to connect to an LTE tower using a band the One can't use, but the GS4 could.
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HTC One and S4 use the same bands, but also runs on Rev. 0 and Rev.A (Dunno where I read this)
If anything the One is more fine tuned to Sprint's network than the S4
gobaers said:
Correct. The band in question, LTE over 800MHz is LTE Band 26. There is no equipment available that uses this band.
It's actually a huge chunk of sub 1GHz spectrum, 35MHz of bandwidth (including guard bands.) If Sprint can actually deploy this properly, they have the ability to be the best carrier in the US. Here's hoping the network gets deployed by the time we need to upgrade our O1nes.
Reference:
http://niviuk.free.fr/lte_band.php
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FYI Sprint does not own all 35MHz of that spectrum in that band.... Sprints 800Mhz LTE will be a 5x5MHz deployment so while it will help some on building penetration and some coverage, it won't be earth shattering and jaw dropping...
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I have searched xda and google for an answer and did not find one...
Does htc one developer edition support DC-HSPA?
From the tests that I have done - it did not appear to be so.
Compared speeds to Xperia ZL and it always doubled the results from the "One". I flashed Bell Radio to another rounds of tests and the maximum I got was 9Mbps.
I am on Bell and Bell advertises upto 42Mbps outside of LTE network
http://www.bell.ca/Mobility/Products/HTC-One
"Blazing-fast LTE speeds
The HTC One runs on Canada's largest LTE network1, reaching super-fast maximum download speeds of up to 75 Mbps2 (expected average download of 12–25 Mbps). And unlike some other carriers, the Bell network never falls back to 2G, so you can surf, stream and browse faster than ever before.
LTE is available in several areas and continuously expanding. Learn more about the LTE. Outside LTE coverage areas, you'll get access to 4G speeds of up to 42 Mbps. See the coverage map."
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I have searched xda and google for an answer and did not find one...
Does htc one developer edition support DC-HSPA?
From the tests that I have done - it did not appear to be so.
Compared speeds to Xperia ZL and it always doubled the results from the "One". I flashed Bell Radio to another rounds of tests and the maximum I got was 9Mbps.
I am on Bell and Bell advertises upto 42Mbps outside of LTE network
http://www.bell.ca/Mobility/Products/HTC-One
"Blazing-fast LTE speeds
The HTC One runs on Canada's largest LTE network1, reaching super-fast maximum download speeds of up to 75 Mbps2 (expected average download of 12–25 Mbps). And unlike some other carriers, the Bell network never falls back to 2G, so you can surf, stream and browse faster than ever before.
LTE is available in several areas and continuously expanding. Learn more about the LTE. Outside LTE coverage areas, you'll get access to 4G speeds of up to 42 Mbps. See the coverage map."
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If they use HSPA+ on 1700/2100mhz then so far that is not supported.
hjjfffaa said:
If they use HSPA+ on 1700/2100mhz then so far that is not supported.
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Bell's HTC One runs on:
HSPA/UMTS compatibility 850/1900/2100 MHz
LTE compatibility 700/AWS MHz
The final answer is no. While Bell version does.
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.ezhik said:
The final answer is no. While Bell version does.
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Interesting. How did you go about finding this?
SaHiLzZ said:
Interesting. How did you go about finding this?
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Very easy. I got a Developer Edition HTC One. Did the tests. Flashed Developer Edition with Bell Radio from 4.3 - Same results.
Got a Bell HTC One, upgraded to 4.3 OTA. Ran the same tests. Double the performance. Took the Bell radio that I flashed on Developer Edtion - still double the results.
On developer Edition It was ~5-10 Mbits. On Bell HTC One - 13-24 Mbits.
Shame...
I recommended my buddy over to sprint. He got some big Samsung new phone. I forget the name. Any way. He comes in tells me the service sucks. I said your gonna have to deal with that lol, so he brings it to the store and they do a new speed update called spark. He comes back. He does a speed test on LTE getting 13 mbps download. I do it on my HTC One and not even get a Meg. I call up sprint and tell me the spark update is not for the flagship phone HTC One. Only Samsung phones!! Can you believe it?? Unbelievable. I got screwed again. Time to sell the phone and move on.
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Samsung sounds like the obvious choice, can't think of a reason to spend any more time using this inferior phone, Unbelievable man!
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Spark is Sprint's next version of LTE and I believe runs on a different frequency than their normal LTE, its also only available in select cities. Because it runs on a different frequency our HTC One's radios don't utilize it yet, if he got a newer device they may have the new radios built in. The next version of the One should have it as well I would assume.
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I recommended my buddy over to sprint. He got some big Samsung new phone. I forget the name. Any way. He comes in tells me the service sucks. I said your gonna have to deal with that lol, so he brings it to the store and they do a new speed update called spark. He comes back. He does a speed test on LTE getting 13 mbps download. I do it on my HTC One and not even get a Meg. I call up sprint and tell me the spark update is not for the flagship phone HTC One. Only Samsung phones!! Can you believe it?? Unbelievable. I got screwed again. Time to sell the phone and move on.
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A Google search or a search of these forums would tell you the NEW Samsung GS4 hardware supports spark (the first runs of the S4 do not). The HTC One does not as the phone was released prior to spark being around. That said, why you would buy an HTC One or a new galaxy phone a month before they are to release the new refreshed versions is beyond me. You didn't get screwed, you failed to do your research.
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Spark is Sprint's next version of LTE and I believe runs on a different frequency than their normal LTE, its also only available in select cities. Because it runs on a different frequency our HTC One's radios don't utilize it yet, if he got a newer device they may have the new radios built in. The next version of the One should have it as well I would assume.
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That sums it up exactly.
If I'm not mistaken the HTC One Mega is spark capable.
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That sums it up exactly.
If I'm not mistaken the HTC One Mega is spark capable.
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One Max*
No one can incorporate it into an HTC one radio? Or do we need different hardware?
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Some of y'all amaze me...
It is hardware dependent.
It cannot be implemented with a simple software or radio update.
HTC also has it on the One Max and upcoming devices.
Samsung is not the only device (LG/Nexus 5, HTC, LG...)
It is hardware dependent and cannot be implemented.
The sky is blue, water is good for you and global warming is a myth.
Did I mention that the One will NEVER be able to use Spark? :laugh::laugh:
Spark utilizes the 800/1900/2500 MHz bands. The HTC One (2013 Flagship phone) only can handle 800/1900 and not 2500. 2500 Mhz is the band that WiMax was using a few years ago. Only a few cities have Spark, and it will be faster, but how much speed do you need? Normal LTE should be in the 5 - 10 meg+ range and even good 3g is about 1 to 1 1/2 megs per second.
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Some of y'all amaze me...
It is hardware dependent.
It cannot be implemented with a simple software or radio update.
HTC also has it on the One Max and upcoming devices.
Samsung is not the only device (LG/Nexus 5, HTC, LG...)
It is hardware dependent and cannot be implemented.
The sky is blue, water is good for you and global warming is a myth.
Did I mention that the One will NEVER be able to use Spark? :laugh::laugh:
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If I could hug you... Well i totally wouldn't because weird. But I'd want to.
weidnerj said:
Spark utilizes the 800/1900/2500 MHz bands. The HTC One (2013 Flagship phone) only can handle 800/1900 and not 2500. 2500 Mhz is the band that WiMax was using a few years ago. Only a few cities have Spark, and it will be faster, but how much speed do you need? Normal LTE should be in the 5 - 10 meg+ range and even good 3g is about 1 to 1 1/2 megs per second.
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From what I was told by a executive of Sprint Spark is tri-band . This means the Spark phones have the ability to search out the strongest signal and switch to it. FYI , you are walking down the street using the strongest signal the phone has found, say the 800 band. Going into a building the phone sees that inside the building the 2500 band is the strongest. the phone automatically switches to this stronger band.
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From what I was told by a executive of Sprint Spark is tri-band . This means the Spark phones have the ability to search out the strongest signal and switch to it. FYI , you are walking down the street using the strongest signal the phone has found, say the 800 band. Going into a building the phone sees that inside the building the 2500 band is the strongest. the phone automatically switches to this stronger band.
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It is correct on being tri band, but that is using all three bands at once. It is called aggregation. You wouldn't get any fast speed that LTE if only using one band because that is what is used today. But using three bands at once and aggregating them together, you can get 3 times the speed. FYI, 800 MHz is the best frequency, travels further and penetrates buildings better than the 2500 MHz frequency. Sprint for years and years was based on 1900 MHz and recently started to use the old 800 MHz freed up from Nextel.
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It is correct on being tri band, but that is using all three bands at once. It is called aggregation. You wouldn't get any fast speed that LTE if only using one band because that is what is used today. But using three bands at once and aggregating them together, you can get 3 times the speed. FYI, 800 MHz is the best frequency, travels further and penetrates buildings better than the 2500 MHz frequency. Sprint for years and years was based on 1900 MHz and recently started to use the old 800 MHz freed up from Nextel.
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Lol I was kinda confused reading this to. How does one get better signal inside a building using 2500 MHz compared to 800 MHz.
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luigi311 said:
Lol I was kinda confused reading this to. How does one get better signal inside a building using 2500 MHz compared to 800 MHz.
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This one is kinda easy. Being that Clearwire sites are independent and don't run NV you might be right under one as opposed to a Sprint site that's further away. In that case the 2500 signal will be stronger. Like at my home for example.. I get 1-2 bars of LTE 1900 but my WiMAX devices will have full bars although it's on the 2500 frequency. It's actually quite sad WiMAX on my old S2 kicks the crap out of LTE on my Note 2 in speedtests but then again Hartford is saturated in WiMAX..
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Spark utilizes the 800/1900/2500 MHz bands. The HTC One (2013 Flagship phone) only can handle 800/1900 and not 2500. 2500 Mhz is the band that WiMax was using a few years ago. Only a few cities have Spark, and it will be faster, but how much speed do you need? Normal LTE should be in the 5 - 10 meg+ range and even good 3g is about 1 to 1 1/2 megs per second.
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It can only handle 1900 LTE not 800, there's no dualband LTE device. It can do 800 voice like the rest of the other non triband phones and that's it. Not to correct you or anything it's just reading that can mislead others lol
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