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[Q] Refund or Exchange?

My wife recently got a Galaxy S (I9000) and is far far from happy with it....
We tried the OneClickLagFix (improved lag, but still slow accessing the database), then moved onto Voodoo (improves lag significantly).
After this the part that seemed to be slowing the phone down was TouchWiz, so we swapped for LauncherProPlus (big improvement). Anything "Saumsung'd" on the phone is slow (dialer, contacts app, system menus (eg reboot, silent).
My question is ... Is this acceptable to have a 1Ghz phone that is slow, and needs multiple fixes and replacements? I personally have the HTC Desire, although not perfect (small internal memory) it out performs the Galaxy S (stock).
Has anyone gone back to T-Mobile, Vodafone etc and asked for a replacement?
Tony

If it still slow it must be something wrong with it.
What firmware do you use?
My phone is fast and i have no lag.
I use jpk firmware and have the latest oclf.
My girlfriend will buy a sgs also.
She like it more then my iphone and hers phone got stole yesterday.
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That is encouraging.. thanks
She is still on Stock 2.1, not ventured into the leaked ROMs yet.
Can I ask which Lag Fix you're using? My understanding is that the Voodoo lagfix cannot con-exist with Clockwork Recovery?
Cheers

I use ryanza oclf.
I use jpk firmware.
I did upgrading first from stock to jm1. Only that was an improvement.
Im waiting also for the real froyo, but jpk firmware working fine for me.
I do plan to use an other lagfix that is in development. I think that will be something sweat for this phone.
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Ok, My Captivate lags a lot...this isn't normal

I downloaded the leaked froyo firmware to my captivate hoping it would solve a lot of the issues of lag but it still lags a lot like it's a phone from 2006. I downloaded the Ryan ZA one click lag fix and it still lags. I wanted to put voodoo on it but I have froyo and I don't think it will allow me to do it...what the heck is the problem and why is there so much hacking I have to do to get it to run smooth. The HTC Aria runs blazingly fast and quick from what I read and this Super Phone Galaxy S runs slower than a Hero? If anybody has an answer I'd like to know or if someone can offer some suggestions on how to improve this. It's pretty annoying.

crossover37 said:
I downloaded the leaked froyo firmware to my captivate hoping it would solve a lot of the issues of lag but it still lags a lot like it's a phone from 2006. I downloaded the Ryan ZA one click lag fix and it still lags. I wanted to put voodoo on it but I have froyo and I don't think it will allow me to do it...what the heck is the problem and why is there so much hacking I have to do to get it to run smooth. The HTC Aria runs blazingly fast and quick from what I read and this Super Phone Galaxy S runs slower than a Hero? If anybody has an answer I'd like to know or if someone can offer some suggestions on how to improve this. It's pretty annoying.
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Its called RFS... call up samsung and complain to them about it...

so many problems with this
a) wrong section, Q&A or general please
b) notice that word "leaked" in what you said? it means this isn't OFFICIAL, which means it likely ISN'T the final release, so it's bound to have at least some bugs.
c) ryanza lagfix is placebo and awful and doesn't work at all (on top of that, ext2 is a bad choice)
d) if you understood how/where the lag was coming from, you'd know why voodoo is "necessary" on 2.1
e) the aria is built EXTREMELY different from the captivate, it's like comparing the iphone to the nokia n8... yes they're both android, but they're built different which leads to complications
f) voodoo is not yet available for 2.2 because we don't have source code for 2.2 (again, if you knew how voodoo worked, you'd know why it wasn't instant)... we can hack it in with initramfs, and there are people working on it... but it isn't top priority
g) and shockingly a SMALLER piece of hardware with a SMALLER resolution made by a company known for making quality android phones runs smoother? shocker. honestly.
h) if you actually had any other real world interactions with other android phones, you'd know the lag is occasional but not unusual (hell I've seen just as bad or worse on the droid x before)
i) I suggest you read, read, read, search, read, read, and think before you make posts like the above (why on earth you thought this belongs in development is beyond me)
/rant

There are two kinds of lag. I/O lag is caused by the delays in accessing data stored on your phone in some partition. This is largely due to the use of RFS by Samsung, and the voodoo lag fix gets rid of most of that. Unfortunately there is no voodoo on Captivate leaked Froyo yet, as the source code has not yet been released by Samsung. The OCLF type fixes will help some by masking this lag when the amount of data being written and read is small. When a large amount of data is involved, these fixes will lag, as they still sit on top of RFS.
There is a second kind of lag due to memory shortage. This will hit you after the phone has been on for a while. This is similar to the paging seen on Windows, where the data has to be fetched from the hard disk. This type of lag is best fixed by installing a memory management application. The one I use is called Autokiller. Despite its name, it is not a task killer. What it does is make sure that a certain amount of RAM is always free. I use the strict profile, and my phone can go days without having to be rebooted.

troll. go get an aria then^^
save a galaxy s for a person who can truly appreciate it.

by accident I posted this in the development area, I didn't realize until after the fact, my bad.
So do you think I should put my phone back to 2.1 on my phone and apply voodoo? My phone lags quite a bit, it's bad.
I'll try out that app you suggested, thanks.

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crossover37 said:
by accident I posted this in the development area, I didn't realize until after the fact, my bad.
So do you think I should put my phone back to 2.1 on my phone and apply voodoo? My phone lags quite a bit, it's bad.
I'll try out that app you suggested, thanks.
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Look at the z4mod post in this forum. It works on 2.2
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=811902

Kaik541 said:
f) voodoo is not yet available for 2.2 because we don't have source code for 2.2 (again, if you knew how voodoo worked, you'd know why it wasn't instant)... we can hack it in with initramfs, and there are people working on it... but it isn't top priority
/rant
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There is a pre-release version out for froyo but I doubt it will provide more benefits than issues at this point.

cliffgardner said:
There is a pre-release version out for froyo but I doubt it will provide more benefits than issues at this point.
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the "pre-release" version you're talking about is for the i9000... and guess what, the i9000 has source code, we do not

I had the same issue when I installed the leaked 2.2.
I did a master reset, flashed back to stock, master reset again, flashed to 2.2 cognition. Now I don't know if the second master reset was necessary, but my phone is faster than ever. Very few problems, in fact... less problem than the 2.2 leak.

Just flash to cog 2.1.6/2.1.7. I have absolutely no lag at all. Though even at stock my phone wasnt crazy laggy like your claiming your phone is.

rajendra82 said:
There is a second kind of lag due to memory shortage. This will hit you after the phone has been on for a while. This is similar to the paging seen on Windows, where the data has to be fetched from the hard disk. This type of lag is best fixed by installing a memory management application. The one I use is called Autokiller. Despite its name, it is not a task killer. What it does is make sure that a certain amount of RAM is always free. I use the strict profile, and my phone can go days without having to be rebooted.
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Free RAM is wasted RAM.
And task killers, etc. are a great way to rape your battery life.

MikeyMike01 said:
Free RAM is wasted RAM.
And task killers, etc. are a great way to rape your battery life.
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Autokiller is NOT a task killer. It changes the memory management profile that defines when the apps are closed. This is a combination of the amount of free RAM and the type of app and the state it is in. I also disagree that free RAM is wasted RAM. If you are trying to open a webpage and the amount of RAM is low, the system has to decide to close something else to free the space you need. If the profile of what to close is inefficient, you will frequently run into low memory situations, when the system has to continue to close some apps to free up the memory, and you will see lag as the system works it out for you. What makes you think that the profile that Samsung chose to determine when to close an app is necessarily the best one?

[Q] My Samsung Galaxy S is damn sluggish, what can I do ?

Hello people,
I just purchased a Samsung Galaxy S, and the overall user experience is very sluggish.
Is there anything I can do to have a freaking fast and smooth UI just like an iPhone 4 would have ?
I ran a lagfix (OCLF) that almost doubled my Quadrant scoring, but that seems to be the benchmark part of things. The user interface is still damn slow and buggy.
Any help will be appreciated,
Cheers

Depends on how far you want to go. (Ie, are you willing to void your warranty? )
You can start by installing alternative UIs, like launcherpro, or ADW..
Install increasingly warranty-voiding lagfixes, (actually once you root your phone, i think the warranty is void)
Flash a different kernel (check out android dev subforum)
Flash a different rom w/ all the above (I'm using Doc's froyo rom, it's pretty awesome)

nwsk said:
Depends on how far you want to go. (Ie, are you willing to void your warranty? )
You can start by installing alternative UIs, like launcherpro, or ADW..
Install increasingly warranty-voiding lagfixes, (actually once you root your phone, i think the warranty is void)
Flash a different kernel (check out android dev subforum)
Flash a different rom w/ all the above (I'm using Doc's froyo rom, it's pretty awesome)
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Hi there and thank you for taking the time to answer.
I don't really care voiding my warranty, all I want is a fast phone.
I just installed Launcher Pro, and entering/exiting apps is now much faster.
However, I still experience some lags from time to time. Its weird, I don't even know how to explain it, but the overall user experience is not as fast and smooth as it could be on an iPhone 4 or even on a Windows Phone 7.
So far, here is what I've done :
- Applied OCLF lag fix, which doubled my Quadrant benchmark score
- Installed Launcher Pro
Is there anything else I could do other than flashing a new ROM (Doc's Froyo ROM install procedure seems to be very time-consuming) ?
Cheers

Flash an optimised kernel? Preferably one that has lag fixes in it.. there are a bunch of them in the android dev forum. Remember to undo any existing lagfixes before flashing, or it might mess up..
Don't think doc's rom install thing is really time consuming.. though i guess it depends on how long your definition is took maybe 30 mins to do it, not including downloading time. (And most of that time was spent re-reading instructions to make sure I didn't mess up )

I use autokiller on aggressive.
Never use anything samsung made, like the widgets, the keyboard, the messaging app,the dialer.
I found vooodoo much quicker than oclf in real life but now im using darkies rom. Its ok, but i think stock fw with voodoo might have been faster.
Btw darkies rom is REALLY easy to flash, you might want to try that, just check the devs forum.

theophane said:
Hello people,
I just purchased a Samsung Galaxy S, and the overall user experience is very sluggish.
Is there anything I can do to have a freaking fast and smooth UI just like an iPhone 4 would have ?
I ran a lagfix (OCLF) that almost doubled my Quadrant scoring, but that seems to be the benchmark part of things. The user interface is still damn slow and buggy.
Any help will be appreciated,
Cheers
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Welcome to sgs world.
Oclf is an old way to speed up the sgs.
The new way is to flash a custom kernel and apply lagfix. Basically you converting the filesystem.
You can also in some kernel apply different tweaks.
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theophane said:
Hello people,
I just purchased a Samsung Galaxy S, and the overall user experience is very sluggish.
Is there anything I can do to have a freaking fast and smooth UI just like an iPhone 4 would have ?
I ran a lagfix (OCLF) that almost doubled my Quadrant scoring, but that seems to be the benchmark part of things. The user interface is still damn slow and buggy.
Any help will be appreciated,
Cheers
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If you don't want to stuff around and have a phone that works out of the box sell it.

Does this lag applies to all phones ???
I have mine updated to froyo 2.2 and Installed tons of apps and games and widgets, I cant seem to notice any lag.

Animal06 said:
If you don't want to stuff around and have a phone that works out of the box sell it.
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I'll be doing this in the very near future, but I want to fully test the device before I say it's crap
Coolman4now said:
Does this lag applies to all phones ???
I have mine updated to froyo 2.2 and Installed tons of apps and games and widgets, I cant seem to notice any lag.
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Two of my colleges have a Samsung Galaxy S, and I can confirm that laggy behavior on both of their devices.
Here is a video illustrating the problem :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB1b0UrX9e0
If you make a couple of Google queries, you'll see that the world wide web is full of reviews, topics and videos regarding this problem.

I bet 5 Euro that you're running Android 2.1 in the device.

Logseman said:
I bet 5 Euro that you're running Android 2.1 in the device.
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Cool, you know owe me a pint of San Miguel

Use cm beta if your willing to out up no GPS or Bluetooth.
Other than that is the most customisable and fastest rom for our phone
~Webstar1

theophane said:
Cool, you know owe me a pint of San Miguel
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I'll pay it gladly ^^ I've been running 2.1 and I can understand why people would want to get rid of it ASAP.

Still waiting for official SGS Froyo update here in India before doing fixes.

[Q] Laggy application touch response

Hello,
I installed some musicial applications (Musical Lite, xPiano) and I see that there is a small delay (less then 1 second) when I press on the Note and the time I hear it.
I checked it on my old IPOD touch and it seems that it's lke that only on Galaxy S I9000.
Does anyone know anything about it?
Thank you

I am using samsung galaxy s and I am not afraid to say Galaxy is far far slower than Iphone or Ipod...I think I took wrong decisiong in chosing Samsung Galaxy..

and now for a real answer
there must some technical explanation for this

The Galaxy S is a really fast phone just Samsung decided to use their own filesystem for the the data/storage partition made on the internal flash, this will explain why you only have a 6GB storage area on the internal storage. The issue you are having is no doubt related to RFS. I suggest applying the voodoo lag fix which will format the partition to ext4 which is lag free. I just flashed the Darkyy custom ROM which comes with the voodoo kernel and applied the lag fix from the recovery menu.
Darky ROM for Galaxy S

Actually I am using PilotX Rom.
I did used the LagFix to change to Ext4.
What are the consequences for doing so?
I heard that it can f--k up the FS.

wintert said:
Actually I am using PilotX Rom.
I did used the LagFix to change to Ext4.
What are the consequences for doing so?
I heard that it can f--k up the FS.
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Only issue with that is if you want to flash another ROM later you must reverse the lagfix then reapply after flash due to the fact that samsung kernels expect the partition that was formatted to EXT4 to be RFS. If you are running darky ROM most of the time you can just do an update with nowipe and it will work fine but every now and then you are gonna need to backup all your apps and settings and stuff if you wish to preserve them. Easily done with Titanium backup which runs nice and fast once that 2GB partition is EXT4 format! All instructions on the Darky ROM thread i linked to earlier.

wintert said:
Actually I am using PilotX Rom.
I did used the LagFix to change to Ext4.
What are the consequences for doing so?
I heard that it can f--k up the FS.
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Never heard of a pilotx rom, and changing to ext4 won't mess anything up. Upgrade to one of the 2.2.1 jpy based roms and it'll get rid of that lag.

It is obvious and clear that iphone is much faster and easy to use as final user.
I don't know a lot about mac and I'm sure many will have a lot to say, but it seems that there are thousands of differents roms for every t terminal with android. And iphone is not that open.
But with a lot of reading and learning we can make our phones the best phones on the market.
What I don't understand is why they don't do phones as they suppose to be. Great as they come out of the box.
I'm starting to like the phone after the lag fix and I'm actually love it.
i want to get the jpy but some things are still on the air. Like I still dont know how to make a n an droid backup, since samsung decided to use the 3e recovery. Or why for some reason I cant use rom manager. Id like to know if swype is also in jpy and what language jpy uses.
Or whats the difference between z4mod and oclf.
The wiki is still on dipers. And nothing is clear enough.
Why could samsung do something so wrong with the file sy st em.
I want to think that if google like sgs to do his new nexus s it is because they have a good reason.
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wintert said:
Hello,
I installed some musicial applications (Musical Lite, xPiano) and I see that there is a small delay (less then 1 second) when I press on the Note and the time I hear it.
I checked it on my old IPOD touch and it seems that it's lke that only on Galaxy S I9000.
Does anyone know anything about it?
Thank you
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I believe it's got nothing to do with the phone hardware. It's probably an Android problem, as all the piano apps that I've tried have that lag (which takes all the fun out of playing as I can't time the notes right).
The touch does register instantly, which can be seen from the depressed appearance of the piano key, but the sound lags. It's probably some problem with Android's sound framework or something.

ravi tejpal said:
I am using samsung galaxy s and I am not afraid to say Galaxy is far far slower than Iphone or Ipod...I think I took wrong decisiong in chosing Samsung Galaxy..
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this total bull****, you say only your crap. sgs is more powerful than the iphone4, apps are lame, coders are lame. I'm coding on both platform in ndk too. the problem is that on android there are very few professional coders. most of iphone coder just porting simpler way their app to android, lack of any optimizings.

Darky's rom questions.

Hi, I recently flashed the 10.1 rom. Is the rom overclocked? The tutorial said to disable lag fix and now after.done flashing can I enable lag fix on cwm??
I tried looking up on quadrant app and the phone just scored 680 I think. Anyone could answer these questions would be very helpful. Thanks
Can anyone also explain a bit what lag fix means or give links?? Thank you.
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From my understanding lag-fix converted the file system of the phone with a new driver to a better one. Natively uses RFS which fragments horrible and isn't designed for the kind of workout it gets after a few months of use.
lagfix converts to ext (just writing off the top of my head here so don't know if it's 3 or 4) and has a driver that acts as an interface between the phone expecting RFS and the system being different.
Some people say enable some dont, 10.1 was amazingly snappy but I enabled it anyway to try. See what others think tho I'm hardly an expert
<:3)~

im still waiting for other's opinions whether to turn lagfix on or not..

YES YES YES !!! turn it on lol
providing you dont forget about it when you swap ROMs it wont cause you any hassle,
some android phones come stock with filesystems on ext 4, so go ahead and do it.
you will gain more speed its well worth it i cant believe some people still use RFS.
Oh and "h20rat" what you said was spot on exactly what i though it was

I'm on 10.1 with lagfix on.
Found it to be a great ROM and snappy

for overclocking u have to install an other kernel first.
darkys 10.1 comes with amazing fast speed.
if lagfix is enabled u wont feel the difference.
but if u try to keep your phone on that rom for months, then enable lagfix.

Thanks guys I'll enable lagfix when I gett my new sd card. Thanks so much!
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