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For those of you who are mad the Droid 3 doesn't have Webtop, Canonical is making a competitor and I imagine the Droid 3 will be able to run it. It meets the specs, not sure about USB host but everything else. I imagine you could use bluetooth for keyboard/mouse as well. I wonder if it will be possible to get something like this working on the Droid 3.
-Dual-core 1GHz CPU
-Video acceleration: shared kernel driver with associated X driver; Open GL, ES/EGL
-Storage: 2GB for OS disk image
-HDMI: video out with secondary frame buffer device
-USB host mode
-512 MB RAM
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This isn't just running Ubuntu on your phone's hardware, its access to your Android apps through the regular Ubuntu UI. Looks exciting, read more:
http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android
Okay that sounds insanely cool!
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Okay that sounds insanely cool!
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thanks for stating the MrObvious
Obviously its HYPER COOL !!
Cant wait. Hope it works out!!! I was thinking of getting an Atrix because i love webtop
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HYPER COOL indeed
This was cool as well. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1415166
Worked perfectly for me ik not the same thing but if your bored and like ubuntu id recommend trying it.
There is a video out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUXUjjg9qQ0
First thing I noticed is the demo is running on a blur'd Atrix 2 which means no custom kernel or ROM is needed.
At this point it looks like there is a pretty good chance the Droid 3, Bionic, Razr, etc will be able to run this.
SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY
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It's gonna be sweeeeeeeet.
Ditto on the shut up and take my money.
Silber said Ubuntu for Android would be released under an open source license, but that Canonical expects it to mostly be pre-installed on specific hardware.
"We'll want to optimise for certain hardware profiles and chips," she said. "It simply wouldn't be the same experience on a downloaded install."
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Source: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/373024/canonical-puts-ubuntu-on-android-smartphones
So it will be open source and not OEM only. I was thinking it would be open source since its Ubuntu but you can never be sure.
As far as optimizing it for hardware, hopefully the fact that the phone they demoed it on has the same exact OMAP/PowerVR SoC that is on the Droid 3 means the source will be most optimized for that hardware. In the demo it looked like a nearly finished project.
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There is a video out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUXUjjg9qQ0
First thing I noticed is the demo is running on a blur'd Atrix 2 which means no custom kernel or ROM is needed.
At this point it looks like there is a pretty good chance the Droid 3, Bionic, Razr, etc will be able to run this.
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Video is down, You guys think it could mean something?
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Video is down, You guys think it could mean something?
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It was a private video (only those with link can view). It had several phone #s not blurred out in the video so chances are it was meant to be shared internally only.
I found a new link to the video:
http://youtu.be/3pZUCKt0RKc
Edit: On a second thought, if it contains not blurred information, should I edit out the link?
Say this does come to pass and it's possible to load it up on the D3. Which dock can you use? The only ones I can find don't allow a USB connection.
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Say this does come to pass and it's possible to load it up on the D3. Which dock can you use? The only ones I can find don't allow a USB connection.
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I'm hoping it would be possible to get it working with just HDMI output and no dock. I don't know if the Droid 3 supports USB OTG host mode, but it does allow bluetooth keyboards and mice simultaneously so hopefully that would be an option.
The Droid 3 works with the lapdock/webtop hardware wise according to this youtube video below.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OclL-KISYWI
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They also said it would come preinstalled on some phones, because it needs some optimization to run smoothly. Read that on The Verge
Still, pretty cool thing! Hope someone port that to the D3 (and consequently the M3 too =P)
Rocking with my M3 and XDA app
Hash's ICS Alpha 7 + Camera Fix
spunker88 said:
I'm hoping it would be possible to get it working with just HDMI output and no dock. I don't know if the Droid 3 supports USB OTG host mode, but it does allow bluetooth keyboards and mice simultaneously so hopefully that would be an option.
The Droid 3 works with the lapdock/webtop hardware wise according to this youtube video below.
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That looks promising, although in the comments someone stated he might have modded it. The OP didn't reply so who knows.
I hadn't even considered bluetooth peripherals, but they work just as well.
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They also said it would come preinstalled on some phones, because it needs some optimization to run smoothly. Read that on The Verge
Still, pretty cool thing! Hope someone port that to the D3 (and consequently the M3 too =P)
Rocking with my M3 and XDA app
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I'm hoping that they release the source which has already been optimized for the demo phone, the Atrix 2 since it has the same OMAP4430 that the Droid 3 and a lot of other devices have.
New video, sounds like it won't be a easy task to custom install it ( for people with handsets that don't have it stock-installed ) : ( ( although, "In Devs We Trust" )
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New video, sounds like it won't be a easy task to custom install it ( for people with handsets that don't have it stock-installed ) : ( ( although, "In Devs We Trust" )
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He made it sound somewhat like Android source is, it will be available but the average user can't just install it on a device and expect it to work. Hopefully the devs here can make it work. The biggest limitation for us is going to be only 512MB of RAM, besides for that the demo phone has the same hardware as the Droid 3. It may not be a multitasking device, but I imagine things could be done on the Linux side to cut memory usage, possibly even switching to a lighter Ubuntu forked distro. It would still be useful as is for simple web browsing, a real office suite (LibreOffice), a real media player (VLC), etc.
I thought it had it and that it was compatible with the 100 dock? The specs listed up top on xda say otherwise...
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I thought it had it and that it was compatible with the 100 dock? The specs listed up top on xda say otherwise...
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Nope I was wondering that too especially after seeing the video reviews and when they would hit About Phone I didn't see the Webtop section. And this article confirm it. http://www.androidauthority.com/motorola-atrix-hd-webtop-lapdock-not-supported-101012/
Nope...
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Great, now at&t has no new webtop phones, and i use them due to the rural area of the US i live in.
Id go to verizon in a heartbeat, but we dont get their service in the mountains...
No webtop is a bummer, no nfc no fm radio either.
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Maybe I should tale this thing back.....buncha Debby downers in here
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Doesn't need webtop
The A HD hooks up to hdtv via hdmi. Just gor finishing watching One Piece but I can't wait till it grts rooted! !!!!!
First picture is proof its the Atrix HD.
Second picture is the Atrix HD hooked up to the Lapdock 500. It only does hdmi mirroring but everything else works such as ethernet, usb peripheral devices, and printing.
how the
kulow said:
This is the Atrix HD hooked up to the Lapdock 500. It only does hdmi mirroring but everything else works such as ethernet, usb peripheral devices, and printing.
This is proof its the Atrix HD.
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how did u get it to work... did u used different cables to hook it up???
No, I just used the stock connector with the Lapdock 500. It's only doing hdmi mirroring though...not really "working" as other devices do.
Ok gottcha!!!!
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This is the Atrix HD hooked up to the Lapdock 500. It only does hdmi mirroring but everything else works such as ethernet, usb peripheral devices, and printing.
This is proof its the Atrix HD.
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Does the Lapdock 500's camera work for Skype?
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This is the Atrix HD hooked up to the Lapdock 500. It only does hdmi mirroring but everything else works such as ethernet, usb peripheral devices, and printing.
This is proof its the Atrix HD.
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It's only HDMI mirror because Webtop OS is not installed.
You'd need to find a motorola stock rom, mount it and use a file browser to extract The Webtop.apk
Simply installing the APK wouldnt work either because Webtop requires it's own partition on internal storage. Webtop OS is another operating system running ON TOP of Android. I dont see it working for our phone. This idea WORKS in theory, but I dont see anyone with a non motorola phone using a webtop mod. So its probably slim chance we'll see a working Webtop on the Atrix HD
Can anyone get me the apk's for webtop on another motorola device running ICS?
I'd be willing to try my hand at taking the apk apart and all that fun stuff.
They probably didnt add the webtop because they decided to downgrade to 8GB of storage, like there is much of a price difference between 8 and 16GB of flash memory these days...
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They probably didnt add the webtop because they decided to downgrade to 8GB of storage, like there is much of a price difference between 8 and 16GB of flash memory these days...
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Exactly, plus the whole webtop OS didnt sell as well as they'd hope under AT&T and the idea is dying off with Verizon.
@kulow:
Having the webtop APK is useless. It contains nothing about the OS. It's only a bridge to start it up when your plugged in.
WebOS sits on internal storage and a separate Operating System. It needs to be extracted and configured just like an Operating system.
Having the APK will just launch an App that will search for a non-existent Partition.
If you want it, go get an Image of a stock rom, mount it and use a file explorer to find the *.*apk
With only 8gb on our phone I could see Webtop taking up to 4gb since it needs its own partition. It's also very RAM hungry.
There is no use in trying to even fathom working on webtop when we have the issue of no Root and the Locked Bootloader.
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@kulow:
Having the webtop APK is useless. It contains nothing about the OS. It's only a bridge to start it up when your plugged in.
WebOS sits on internal storage and a separate Operating System. It needs to be extracted and configured just like an Operating system.
Having the APK will just launch an App that will search for a non-existent Partition.
If you want it, go get an Image of a stock rom, mount it and use a file explorer to find the *.*apk
With only 8gb on our phone I could see Webtop taking up to 4gb since it needs its own partition. It's also very RAM hungry.
There is no use in trying to even fathom working on webtop when we have the issue of no Root and the Locked Bootloader.
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Well I've been doing some digging around on the Droid Razr forums and noticed that Webtop 3.0 for ICS was less webtop and more of a tablet view. Right now when you dock it does a mirror of your screen. I know this is probably way beyond my knowledge but the possibility of digging in to the structure and code of some of the apks involved with webtop 3.0 would lead us to a more tablet optimized view when connected to a lapdock.
Another thought was, when root/bootloader unlock happens, was to manually create the ext3 osh partition called by webtop and place the required files found in the osh partition from a similar device like the Razr.
I'm a novice at this so right now it's all baseless ideas that may prove to be impossible to do, but what is impossible for some may be possible for others.
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Well I've been doing some digging around on the Droid Razr forums and noticed that Webtop 3.0 for ICS was less webtop and more of a tablet view. Right now when you dock it does a mirror of your screen. I know this is probably way beyond my knowledge but the possibility of digging in to the structure and code of some of the apks involved with webtop 3.0 would lead us to a more tablet optimized view when connected to a lapdock.
Another thought was, when root/bootloader unlock happens, was to manually create the ext3 osh partition called by webtop and place the required files found in the osh partition from a similar device like the Razr.
I'm a novice at this so right now it's all baseless ideas that may prove to be impossible to do, but what is impossible for some may be possible for others.
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If we could make a browser just for the resolution of mirrored mode, all you would need is a BT Keyboard&Mouse.
That would use way less resources on the device, and it would defeat the purpose of WebTop OS being installed and wasting all that space.
Is webtop 3.0 even considered a seperate OS?
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Is webtop 3.0 even considered a seperate OS?
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Technically yes and no.
Yes, because its a linux shell running off a partition under Android.
No, because it still requires Android to run.
The lapdocks seem to be as popular as chrome books.
I see Webtop being phased out on future devices.
As good as the webtop idea was, people still want all the gadgets and will still buy a tablet, netbook/laptop, and a phone, so the Lapdock is pretty obsolete.
It's slower than a netbook, and has less features than a tablet. $150 for the lapdock just for a full screen browser seems out of the question.
It becomes more useful with the Ubuntu mod, but it still has functionality issues.
It's annoying that it's gone now, but in all honesty it wasnt that useful. If you bring a lapdock, you might as well bring a netbook and tether it.
Seriously thinking about getting the lapdock, since the Atrix one is very cheap and easily modified to work with the Droid 4.
Only problem is I don't want to go back to the stock ROM. Has anyone gotten Webtop to work on one of the ICS based CM or AOKP ports?
Also how much control do you get in Webtop. I understand it's basically Ubuntu, but can you install new packages or build your own from source. Is there hardware access to the GPU?
If your on an ICS leak webtop is 3.0, which means it is just tablet ui and is no longer a "separate" system.
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Oh, that's a bit useless
I was looking forward to the idea of being able to boot into Ubuntu and compile full fat apps to run there.
Still interested in using it with a modded Atrix lapdock though. So does webtop work with AOKP?
not at the moment, because CM9 and AOKP still don't have support for HDMI-out.
What's up all
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Hey,
take a look at this http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?id=829571 (i know it's in french but it's the first link i've found about). In this post there is the link to the original source, which is in english. I don't know which point did they reached (testing ? alpha ? beta ?) but it's reaaaaly interesting (and that's a reason why i want to move to a D4 : my htc DZ is not powerful enough to run this).
rubixcube said:
Hey,
take a look at this http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?id=829571 (i know it's in french but it's the first link i've found about). In this post there is the link to the original source, which is in english. I don't know which point did they reached (testing ? alpha ? beta ?) but it's reaaaaly interesting (and that's a reason why i want to move to a D4 : my htc DZ is not powerful enough to run this).
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I came to the D4 from a DZ too
That Ubuntu for Android is interesting, I was a little disappointed that webtop on ICS is just Android tablet UI rather than Ubuntu, however it is awesome that if you just use an HDMI cable the phone touchscreen changes into a touchpad!
I wonder how they are getting away with not publishing the source? As soon as a handset turns up for sale with Ubuntu on it, surely the source is going to have to come out or they will be violating the GPL, or is Ubuntu full of propriety closed source crap these days? (It's been a while since I used Linux as a desktop OS, and it was always Debian. Ubuntu didn't exist then)
On a related note, has anyone found a micro-HDMI cable that is actually capable of running at 1080p without corruption and sparklies. I have tried two and both were rubbish.
I got the motorola one from amazon, and it works flawlessly. I also got one from dealsextreme.com, which was considerably cheaper and free shipping, but they're services can be a bit shoddy at time, but I haven't had any big issues with them, and the cord quality is fine, no issues that I can see on my 1080p tv.
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I got the motorola one from amazon, and it works flawlessly. I also got one from dealsextreme.com, which was considerably cheaper and free shipping, but they're services can be a bit shoddy at time, but I haven't had any big issues with them, and the cord quality is fine, no issues that I can see on my 1080p tv.
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I tried a Motorola one... it was better in that you could actually see the 1080p display, but still flashed and corrupted.
I know my monitor is more sensitive than most to poor quality HDMI devices (most notably the PS3), so I guess I'll just have to look for a fancy one, or a tiny adaptor to use with an existing good cable.
For those interested: I found a way to install Ubuntu on my ICS Droid 4. It comes with Firefox and LibreOffice, some options like installing new apps seem a bit limited (maybe not in the donate version?), but I didn't go into too much detail.
While it's probably not as integrated as the original WebTop was, it might be more flexible in terms of settings/applications. The way to access it is basically to start it via Terminal, then (Android) VNC to view / interact with the desktop.
The link to the free version is: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zpwebsites.linuxonandroid
There's also some donation keys available, not sure what features they add. For me, tinkering around with it for 5 minutes is probably all I need it for, and the image is 3.5 GB so I'll probably remove it soon. Still, awesome that it works!
Included screenshot shows some tinkering:
Google Chrome (PC) showing
Airdroid hosted on
Droid 4 showing
Live-feed of
Android VNC client connected to
Ubuntu VNC server running on
Android Ubuntu server, which is also running
Firefox browser showing
Airdroid running on
Droid 4 showing
Outdated live-feed of
Droid 4 running Android
(Disclaimer: the avid AirDroid user will note that you can't log in from 2 separate clients: that's correct, the Firefox AirDroid is actually disconnected, I just moved the 'connection lost' pop-up all the way to the right)
So, I was curious about gamepads being connected to the Nexus 7.
I did a little research and found the sixaxis app, as well as usb/bt joystick center 6.
What I'm seeing is that there is a lot of commotion about not being able to use USB devices after the 4.2 update (which I'm on, but rooted and unlocked). Apparently the USB host is locked up tight in 4.2, for whatever reason.
Do any apps still work for using a controller as they did before? Is there a community made kernel or OS update that fixes this for the Nexus 7?
There's a ton of random complaining on the internet, about different devices not being able to use some of these apps recently, but I couldn't find any real info about what the real scoop is.
I'd mostly just like to connect a generic logitech game pad, or a pocket sized bluetooth keyboard, and use it for old NES emulated games, or some such. I don't really need anything fancy going on, but I've no idea if they work at all anymore, or what kind of app will do it after 4.2.
Regards,
--bb
I think most of this is the cause from Google swapping Bluetooth stacks to a better one by it broke compatibility with apps that were wrote with the old stack in mind.
I'm not sure what the status is on this but it is just growing pains. Google isn't blocking or specifically dropping support. Just a newer stack and updates weren't as quick as people had hoped.
USB Host mode is built in to the latest Paranoid Android beta and he said it was pretty easy to get working.
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I can't speak for the logitech game pad or the keyboard but sixaxis app (the one by Dancing Pixels) was updated recently and it works perfectly for me, as far as gamepads you can't go wrong with a standard PS3 controller.
player911 said:
I think most of this is the cause from Google swapping Bluetooth stacks to a better one by it broke compatibility with apps that were wrote with the old stack in mind.
I'm not sure what the status is on this but it is just growing pains. Google isn't blocking or specifically dropping support. Just a newer stack and updates weren't as quick as people had hoped.
USB Host mode is built in to the latest Paranoid Android beta and he said it was pretty easy to get working.
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Excellent news.
Thank you for summing it up!
It seems like a lot of people on the net are in the dark on this, so I'm glad to hear it's because Android moves at a (sometimes overly) fast pace and not because of a complete lock-down of sorts. I'll check out that ROM.
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Is 360's wired pad only usb-gamepad which work with N7?
I finally got otg-cable and tried my two Logitech pc-pad(digital, and another with PS3-style sticks) but neither
one work in games. I can move in homescreen, but in games only "move"-work(digital/stick), but none of the
buttons work, they just doesn't do anything.
It is possible the games only detect the 360 controller. The only game I found that supported it natively was Sonic 4 Episode 2. I think it is the game that has to be able to detect/support it. I think there are some apps out there to assist with getting gamepads to work though.
i was thinking about the nyko game pad. ive seen some reviews of it . its pretty neat because it uses a bluetooth connection. im still not sure if nyko solves the riddle about this game pad stuff. can't help spending $30++ to bluetooth game pad that wont work as it was advertised..
Ok guys, maybe this question has been asked and maybe it has not. I'm typing this on the fly via mobile of course and don't have the time to scour through related forum threads which may or may not be able to help me out.
That said, I have several adapters that I use for packet injection. I have one which has an SMA port for antennas and I bought a 16dBi high gain antenna to use with another project and I am also using with this adapter.
Anyway, I woukd like to be able to use this adapter with its extended range while I'm wardriving.
I have microUSB to Female USB cables for my phone. But connecting a device does little other than power it on.
I need a script that disables the on board WiFi and installs a driver for the secondary adapter and then enables it. Or perhaps there is an app out there that makes this easier.
Anyone have any suggestions or solutions to this dilemma I'm facing?
Thanks in Advance!
PAinguIN
C'mon guys, this is the TOP mobile device (particularly Android) forum in the world. I've been a member for years... I know someone on here has something I can try or a complete solution. I know that this has been successful on the Droid Milestone but that's a bit of an older phone.
Any help would be appreciated...
Thanks again..
PAinguINx said:
C'mon guys, this is the TOP mobile device (particularly Android) forum in the world. I've been a member for years... I know someone on here has something I can try or a complete solution. I know that this has been successful on the Droid Milestone but that's a bit of an older phone.
Any help would be appreciated...
Thanks again..
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google "pwnpad" maybe you find something you can use, also the wifi adapter they use is cheap and support packet injection and external antennas.
milad407 said:
google "pwnpad" maybe you find something you can use, also the wifi adapter they use is cheap and support packet injection and external antennas.
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Thanks milad407... Your input is appreciated. I am looking in to it right now... If I find a good solution I will be sure to post it here in the forums.
Again, thank you!
You're welcome, i'll be keeping my eye on the thread, if you find something..
milad407 said:
You're welcome, i'll be keeping my eye on the thread, if you find something..
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Ok, I have not tried this yet but if it works in anyway similar to how it would on a laptop then I should succeed. Using either "Linux Deploy" or Complete Linux Installer" I can install various Linux distros on my phone virtually. Even custom images can be used. But by stock you can install Ubuntu, Debian, (not sure why they offer both), Backtrack, Kali (again, unsure why they offer both) and several other Linux distros.
If I install Backtrack, which I know supports the adapter I want to use when running from live cd or live usb from a laptop (or even Kali Linux) then it should also work on my device. It's all about the drivers and disabling the devices built in WiFi adapter....
I have to take my phone back to stock due to some issues which have recently occurred. I will S-Off first probably, then return to Stock, re-root and after I recover my contacts, programs, etc, etc, I will attempt to install a virtual image of either BT5 or Kali and see what happens.
Again, I will keep updated this thread. If it works then everyone with an M7 from Sprint will be able to utilize this method.
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Have a look here as well: http://www.toolswatch.org/2013/05/installing-my-own-pwnpad-community-for-fun-and-for-less-than-300/
I think the problem with the Pwnpad source code is that, it's written for Nexus 7
milad407 said:
Have a look here as well: http://www.toolswatch.org/2013/05/installing-my-own-pwnpad-community-for-fun-and-for-less-than-300/
I think the problem with the Pwnpad source code is that, it's written for Nexus 7
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Hmmm, interesting... I actually have a Nexus 7 - 32GB 1st gen, it's a nice, smooth tablet but doesn't hold a candle many other devices out there. If I had my choice of device to turn in to a "hacking" tab, uh, Phablet... I would choose the Galaxy Note 3.
Check out the arena....
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/Google-Nexus-7-2013,Samsung-Galaxy-Note-3,Samsung-Galaxy-Mega-6.3/phones/8021,7984,7805
But, aside from that... You would think that you would only be limited to any devices hardware capabilities... Technically, we could probably take an old Toshiba or Acer Iconia tablet, install and/or run either BT5 or Kali virtually on top of whatever version of Android the device is running and have near the same capabilities that you would with a laptop.
If/when I figure out a way to use my Alpha AWUS036NH on any of the devices I own I'll be able to wardrive and pick up networks from nearly and 1/8th - 1/4 of a mile away. No exaggeration. Utilizing a 16dBi omni directional antenna instead of the measly 5 dBi that's included make an enormous difference.
But, rather or not it will work so easily running BT5 or Kali virtually over JellyBean or ICS compared to the ease of a live/virtual/physical installation of either OS on a laptop or PC will only be known once it has been tried. I wish I had more free time to do what I truly love to do with technology instead of the repetitive and thankless administration tasks I perform at work... The grass is always greener though... Lol!
One of these weekends I'll get something going, and I'll post it and hopeflly save peeps that $899. The only thing they will have to pay for will be the adapter(s) they choose to utilize and the tablet, phablet, or even phone that they want to use The rest will be open source and included with (hopefully) current and future releases of Kali Linux now that BT5 is suddenly and abruptly "dead". Did that catch anyone else by surprise or just me? Lol!