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ok here it goes....i thought about sharing this story about what i done during a boring physics lesson at school, it sounds quite dangerous, but luckily i am still alive to tell your guyz out there.
I was bored during class when the teacher was explaining facts about an electric socket. The teacher told us many facts about an electrical socket that gives an output of 240 volts and 0.5 amps. And then he said that 0.1 amp can kill someone. Without realizing or caring about what he said, i was dared by my friends to shove a pair of scissors into the socket and turn it on. Once i did it, the whole classroom lights suddenly blew out, and all electrical appliances that run on mains switched off. Sparks then came out of the socket holes and I was laughing.
Luckilly the teacher didnt see me or anyone else appart from my friends. After the physics lesson, everyone said that the whole of the 4th floor had a blackout. And dats the point where i laughed hard
I still dont know why i did that in the first place, although i know it was a stupid thing to do and i could have got myself killed. But all i really know is that i blew up many fuse,
it's described at walking on the edge of committing a darvin
Well, I'm not sure if your teacher is mistaken or you've just remembered it wrongly, but a 0.5A on a 240V is not sufficient to power many things. E.g., the total power of a 240V 0.5A is 120W, that's slightly higher than an old fashion 100W lightbulb. The max plug in UK (which I believe is so in HK) is 13A, that is more than 3000W, which then can be used to power stuff like an iron/heater, which goes around 2000W.
Pluging in the scissors to the socket short circuit it and hence creating a flux high current, blowing/triggering any safety fuse along the way. Since you said the entire floor was blackout, it seems that it only blown/triggered 1 major fuse. Unlikely it will cause multiple blown/triggered fuses.
On the 0.1A killing a person issue, if you consider a person's resistance is 2MOhm (which I think is higher than that), it would take a relatively large 20MV (that is 2x10^7) voltage across, which you can't easily get (if not impossible, consider a high tension cable is probably around 1MV). If you were to get that kind of voltage, the power across would be 0.1x0.1x2MOhm = 20,000W, which would definitely kill someone. Consider the amount shown, I bet it takes less than 0.1A to kill someone. To put into perspective, a Taser gun has a peak (not constant) voltage of 50,000V, which is (consider the 2MOhm assumption) 0.025A.
FYI, in most cases of electric shock cases, the fatal part is usually the duration of the electric shock (i.e. small continuous current flowing, cooking you for 30 minutes) or hurting yourself after a shock (i.e. knock yourself onto the solid ground after a shock).
Anyone fall asleep yet? anyway, whatever you do, don't mess with electricity. Respect it.
p/s: Sorry for the lengthy lecture above.. "occupation sickness".
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I still dont know why i did that in the first place, although i know it was a stupid thing to do and i could have got myself killed. But all i really know is that i blew up many fuse,
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You might want to lay off the pipe. As you can see, there is no good that can come from it.
16 Volts AC straight through the heart can be fatal.
AC requires about 60 mA to cause fibrillation, DC needs 500 mA for the same result. Fibrillation is not always fatal....
get new friends
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Jees it'll be a merciful release.
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I have a heart condition and I can assure you from personal experience that fibrillations are far from mercyful
wow, i never knew you guys would be so passionate about what i did. I thought u guyz would growl at me for my stupidity.
Hanmin, you can be my next physics teacher for giving me a very comprehensive lecture , your lecture was easilly understood compared to my crappy science teacher
and yes ultraprimeomega, i think i may need new friends for the sake of my safety and education
Anyone here watching "Myth busters"?
They did a whole episode on throwing electric appliances in to bathtub and measuring the current across the "heart" of a dummy to see if dropping a hairdryer or toaster in the bath can really kill you.
I didn't see that Mythbuster. I guess it should be confirmed? Although there are lost of circumstances influencing the outcome:
-use pure H2O, it hardly conducts
-use non-ionic bath oil (good for the skin too)
-a decent Residual-current device would cut off power before you can even notice it
-a decent low amp fast fuse could be a life saver
-high ionic bath salt makes the water much more conductive than your body
-place the tub on rubber, use PVC water supply and drain pipes
they had to mess with the fuses to get enough current to kill the gel doll before they went off
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they had to mess with the fuses to get enough current to kill the gel doll before they went off
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oh, right, a gel doll again... very nice material for ballistics, although I believe they should put bones in it for realistic results.
Arteries, veins and nerves are full of ions giving excellent conductive paths through our body, I doubt if they simulated those in the gel.
I got kicked out of woodwork when i was 13 for tying a pupils tie round a lathe and threatening to turn it on, because he had made a better baseball bat than me, unfortunatly, for him, my friend hit the power button and nearly killed him, we promptly got suspended and moved into sewing as a punishment, with a teacher from hell. My friend who i wont name decided to wire up some gold thread to the mains socket and complained to her(teacher) that the machine was faulty, needless to say when she touched the machine she was electrocuted along with my friend, who was promptly expelled, and i was giving a severe caning, in those days we had no trip switches so the only thing that saved them both was the thin gold thread that blew as well.
Moral of the story is dont mess with electrics, or hang around with nutcases
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oh, right, a gel doll again... very nice material for ballistics, although I believe they should put bones in it for realistic results.
Arteries, veins and nerves are full of ions giving excellent conductive paths through our body, I doubt if they simulated those in the gel.
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With an heavy insulation on the outer body part (i.e. skin = not very good conductor), not even a gold wire inside the body matters. Further, I suspect that the water and the bathtub plays an important part as well.
First, consider that you throwing an electrical appliance into the water, chances are, the 'Neutral' line will be in the water (together with the dangerous 'Live'). Any current from the live line will eventually find the shortest path to the neutral line, leaving the rest (i.e. probably you) untouched.
Then, consider that the current is increased, hence requiring not only the shortest path to the neutral, but a lot of paths to the neutral as well. As with the Faraday cage theory, electric current will tend to go around an object (i.e. electrons repelling each other), especially a better conducting one (i.e. a car protecting the driver from a lighting strike). As such, in terms of choice, if the current require additional path to go to the neutral, chances are, it will rather go via the water (better conductor, I think) or the steel bath tub (i.e. like the body of a car), than your body.
Hanmin, your whole story sounds fair enough... for laymen.
First of all you're mixing up AC, DC and static behaviour.
Faraday created spectacular shows using extremely high static charges, indeed comparable to a car hit by lightning. If you want to conduct an experiment with a metal bath tub filled with nice warm water and any bath soap, salt or oil struck from the side by lightning, I volunteer to step in.
So, our PC's have metal housing, you'd say, so they're a Faraday cage? Right? Wrong. I've had a computer company near the Dutch coast where thunder and lightning are regular events. I could tell when repairs would come in the next day. Phone, Lan and power wires go straight into the metal cage without making contact with the cage itself. Lightning doesn't even have to strike these wires directly, induction can be fatal for your equipment.
Edison called AC "the killer current" and refused to sell AC. AC can not "flow away" to neutral, it wants to go to earth/ground. As long as the fuse doesn't blow, it delivers as much energy as it can. In a bath tub it will not behave like lightning trying to find the shortest way, but like a cloud, spearding as fast as it can. Remember electrons all have the same negative load so they push each other away. And they are LIGHTning fast.
That's why it's also not a good idea to use a standard vacuum cleaner to clean your PC on the inside: the motor will create a cloud of electrons trying to find a way to ground. The free electrons can move much faster through the cloud of static charged dust particles toward your PCB than the slow air stream moves to the vacuum.
The surface of the dry skin is indeed a bad conductor. But even good enough for ECG using leads with suction cups or stickers. And ECG measures very faint electrical pulses in the heart, even with leads on the hands or feet.
Most people believe that water is a good conductor. But in fact pure water is an almost perfect isolator. And even tap water in most Western societies is so pure that you can hardly split it into hydrogen and oxigen using a fairly safe 12 V DC set up, not without first adding a hand full of salt. Current needs ions to move through a liquid, our bodies are full of ions, tap water has much less.
Niiccceee.. good that my explaination has someone to read it in details. I'm so worried that my stuff will get everyone to sleep. Anyway...
You are right that the induction from a lighting can toast your phone, lan and power line. However, as these lines are not long and straight enough anywhere near the PC, the fatal induction is actually caused by somewhere along the way to your company (e.g. from the phone exchange, along the telephone pole/underground, to your company). Your PC will be safe from lightling if it is disconnection from possible external induction source (e.g. the phone line to the outside world). I'm happy to put myself inside the PC case (if it is big enough) for a lighting strike
Some history lesson for all. Edison called the AC the killer current mainly because of the business competition between the DC and AC business. As Edison has spent a lot of money and effort just to change the public point of view on the safety of electricity, and just as the business is getting some money... this Tesla (I think) guy made AC electricity and business is good (costrofit ratio), due to the fact that AC has a certain edge on long distance transfer (I'll omit the details on this). Hence, Edison is trying very very hard to make AC look dangerous, by killing innocent animals (in some cases, virtually just cook it), and eventually, co-invented the electric chair.
In the view of the danger of DC current, it is a false impression of most people thinking that DC current is safe, mainly because the DC current we normally exposed to are low voltage DC current (e.g. batteries and phone charger). However, in strict AC/DC defination, a lighting strike is a DC current. And, I think a Taser gun uses DC too (you would certainly need to use some form of capasitor to store enough voltage for a shock, using regular batteries), unless the battery use is exceptionally designed for it.
Anyone has a Taser to confirm this? Does it gives out a buzzing sound from low to high frequency when armed some AA batteries operated cameras with powerful flash will have the same buzzing noise, indicating that the capacitor is charging, ready for the flash).
As for your statement of "AC can not 'flow away' to neutral, it wants to go to
earth/ground.", I'm not sure if you really meant "can not", or "not only". Anyway, all AC electric stuff, electrons goes between live/neutral, and does not require the earth/ground to be functional (not safely, at least).
If you remember some electric circuit theory, if caes where you have two parallel line (AC or DC), with one line much lower resistance (i.e. shorter distance between live and neutral) compared to the other (longer distance to 'ground' where 'ground' is not designed to pair with live), majority of the current will go through the lower resistance route and hence current that goes through the high resistance route maybe very well harmless. HOWEVER, there are cases where the current in through the high resistance route is harmful, that are in the cases where the current going through the low resistance route is excessive high. Example, the low:high resistance current ratio may be 100:1. If it takes (say) 1A to be fatal, the other route will need to have 100A (which will have all fuses nuked - e.g. my house has a main fuse of about 80A for both the heater and the cooker). That's what mentioned on my post above around the "consider that the current is increased..." section. And, as for the case with extreme high current, apply the Faraday thing mentioned on your first paragraph.
Take the Taser gun for example. If you were read the user manual, there is a minimal distance requirement between you and the target, due the the fact that the probes triangular trajectory path. Being too close to the target, will cause the probes to be too closely attached, not giving enough muscle area to 'disable' the target. The electron will not spread around (like clouds) through all the muscle, just the shortest route to the other probe (there may be current through other muscles, but too small to be noticeable).
Where in the Western societies are you in now? US? Nice... in the UK, you are/not so lucky, as you dont get very much pure water over the tap. UK is on hardwater, which seemingly adding mineral to the diet, probably in such situation, protect us from electrocution? If you were to be 1+ hours around London, take a bit of tap water, leave it on any surface and leave it for it to evaporate. At the end of the day, you'll get a pile of white powder. Yes, it is this bad.
As for the ECG issue, it goes the same with the low-vs-high resistance route. I'm sure it wont work underwater (dirty water?). However, still, it is a better conductor than many things.
Taser guns use electronics related to those modern tiny switched power adapters. The result in both cases is indeed DC. The physics of the lightning path are very complex, lightning can fork out to lots of places being hit by one strike but in general you're right that DC/static tries to find a short route.
In one of my first messages in this thread I mentioned what DC it takes to kill, so yes, I'm well aware that there is no such thing as "safe electricity".
If you short a capacitor or battery, current flows in one direction, from high potential to low potential till both potentials are equal.
AC doesn't come in batteries or capacitors, it comes from a generator constantly pulling the potential from above neutral to below neutral, 50 or 60 times a second. If you would short circuit the generator itself it would continue to produce electricity as long as it hasn't killed itself. There is no flowing away till both potentials are equal.
I'm a retired computer engineer, but I still do remember Ohm's law, thank you.
In case of the bath tub it means:
we have a fixed voltage (U) of 110 or 220V, depends where you live
we can measure resistance (I) from the device that drops into the water to the feet of the tub, to the tap, to the drain
U=I.R in this case U=I1.R1+I2.R2...InRn
With an 80A fuse, the radio falling on the feet, the tap behind the back and the drain and two tub feet straight under it it seems likely that about 2/3 of 80A, well lets say 50A will strike you, 50 x 110 = 5500W
That should boil the egg if not electrocute it
I WOULD SAY YOU WOULD GET A GREAT SHOCK FROM A TOASTER IN A BATH. If you took a mains plug and put two springs on the live and neutral and inserted this into a bath of water it would generate heat, i know i have boiled a cup of water for tea by this method. so if the electricity didnt kill you you will be boiled like an egg
yeah in some situations i see myth busters as more intertainment then real science
like when they had a rather small boat as an example of titanic pulling people down when it went down
a such a small raft cant compare to titanic in ways of down pull
but they are ok fun
but if they bust a myth dont mean a 100% bust in my book
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we have a fixed voltage (U) of 110 or 220V, depends where you live we can measure resistance (I) from the device that drops into the water to the feet of the tub, to the tap, to the drain
U=I.R in this case U=I1.R1+I2.R2...InRn
With an 80A fuse, the radio falling on the feet, the tap behind the back and the drain and two tub feet straight under it it seems likely that about 2/3 of 80A, well lets say 50A will strike you, 50 x 110 = 5500W That should boil the egg if not electrocute it
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Equations, I like! For the case you've calculated above, you consider that the full 80A is flowing. And weirdly, you seemingly considering that 2/3 flowing through a human body. Lets look at this, at the 50A you mentioned (yes, you are right, 5500W will cook you very well). Consider the worst case of U at 240V, your body will have to have (U/I = R) a resistance of 4.8Ohm, which is weirdly small, dont you think?
As with scousemartin's boil an egg, you will have to consider the large amount of water in the bath tub as oppose to the amount of water you use in boiling the egg (e.g. it would take really long for the water to boil) And, even IF the water has similar rate in raise of temperature, I'm sure the person involved will be pretty quick to jump out of the water (when a toaster hit the tub) before it gets boiling.
While I'm charging my Diamond, I occasionally get electroshocks.
A few days ago, I experienced it for the first time, the shocks first increased in size exponentially until I just had to drop the phone.
I've just had the same experience again, but the shocks were strong from the first time now.
I'm not talking about some tickling tiny current that's flowing, it feels more like pure 230V going trough my fingers (yes, I know how that feels from experience ).
I know that's not possible as the Diamond charges on USB (5V), but still... I get shocks sometimes when I touch the metal sides.
Is anybody else having this?
Hmm , no and I would check the earth in your socket on the wall .
Yeah check the earth in the socket or extension you have your computer plugged into.
Also check that the computer actually uses an earth pin. If its a laptop its a super common problem because alot of them don't use earth pins!
Yeah, should've guessed that one... Of course my laptop doesn't have an earth.
Still, it shouldn't give me shocks like that, I except all metal parts on the outside to be completely isolated.
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Yeah, should've guessed that one... Of course my laptop doesn't have an earth.
Still, it shouldn't give me shocks like that, I except all metal parts on the outside to be completely isolated.
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Its an age old complaint... The ground wire from the USB is tied to the ground of the phone, and so this is effectivly the 'earth' of the phone.
There are good arguments to say any metal on the outside should be grounded, and alos good arguments to say it should be completly isolated.
In the end it doesnt matter too much which way you go, charge will always build up, with the meterial between forming a diaelevtric.
Don't worry its not dangerous, it just bloody hurts
Excellent explanation. I wouldn't put it better.
HastaSSSS
LOL, Sorry I couldn't resist, & after I will chastise myself & delete my own post, but where is in the world are you guys that they call it the "earth"? Us yanks call it the ground wire & I was just curious as I've never heard the term "earth" used for this?
just my 2 cents..
earthing is a term used for the return elec current to be diffused. this is done by keeping a reference point as earth.. as for the ships, the current is grounded in its hull coz the mass of the hull is considered as a reference point known as earth
that way the body of the phone is considered as a reference due to the mass and the body is considered as earth for the phone
now the current flowing through the phone is not too much but the return current from the power socket or ur laptop is transfered to the body of the phone thats why u get the shocks. check and prevent this to avoid any damages to ur phone
Earth is the common term used here in Blighty. Electricity was developed in many parts of the world fairly recently (yeah I know it's been known about for thousands of year - hence the term developed) so our respective terms probably evolved from whatever was locally popular at the time...
UK & USA; "...two countries separated by a common language"?
p.s. You can tell how bored I am waiting for the Postie to bring my new phone...
AFAIK the term 'earth' comes from a long long way back when a coper wire was run to an iron anchor placed into the earth (mud, earth, soil, whatever you wanna call it!). There's an interesting way to make a radio using such an earth anchor, without any additional power - but its bloody quiet!
Usually the term 'Earth' is used to signify the lowest grounding potential you can find in a system - like the example given, the hull of a ship. Its usually used when you talk about electrical wiriring etc.
'Ground' is usually used in electronics to signify the lowest potential for a circuit. You can have multiple grounds at different potentials, such as when you combine analog and digital circuits with optocouplers.
Essentially they both mean the same thing, but its just convention over here. If you said Earth when talking about a digital electrical circuit you may get laughed at, and saying 'ground' you wouldn't.
But if you said 'is that TV grounded?' when talking about the wiring in your house it would seem normal, just as saying 'is that TV earthed?'.
So its not an exact science just like most words over here!
I got similar problem when using TyTN II. The shock occurs few times when charging on my laptop with USB cable. Since my ear got shock (not my hand), so, I feel the shock is come from the ear piece slot.
Hi everyone,
So I just got done with a long gaming session (TF2 and League of Legends), and once again, my right ear is killing me. I wear a headset with the left cup on my ear and the right cup behind my right ear(so I can hear other people in real life, not in game). I don't know why, but for some reason this makes my right ear hurt a lot. Specifically if I push it, it hurts a lot. The pain goes away after about 2 or 3 days. Does anyone have any idea why this happens and how I can prevent it (without changing how I wear the headphones)?
Without stating the obvious. Try different headphones, you might not get on with the standard ones.
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how long is.. long? xD
Max. (From my Galaxy 2)
i used to do the same thing... just get another pair of headphones
Refrain from boxing Mike Tyson.
A) Long is over 6 hours.
B) All I could think of was fixing my current headphones, not changing them (I laughed at myself when I read your answers). Anyone have any suggestions?
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Hi everyone,
So I just got done with a long gaming session (TF2 and League of Legends), and once again, my right ear is killing me. I wear a headset with the left cup on my ear and the right cup behind my right ear(so I can hear other people in real life, not in game). I don't know why, but for some reason this makes my right ear hurt a lot. Specifically if I push it, it hurts a lot. The pain goes away after about 2 or 3 days. Does anyone have any idea why this happens and how I can prevent it (without changing how I wear the headphones)?
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I assume that you are refusing to see doctors because you have a deathly allergy towards them, otherwise whatever advice I will be offer will be pointless:
0. See a doctor because nobody here is qualified to tell you real stuff. All I'm telling you is based on conjecture and experience without even seeing your ear.
00. If the pain is INSIDE your ear or you LOSE BALANCE seek professional medical help IMMEDIATELY.
1. COLD COMPRESS. Apply ice to the affected area and put some pressure. If this reduces the pain, that means there is an inflammation in your ear, probably from infection. Take lots of vitamins and water to kick the infection, as well as antibiotics. Which can only be obtained with a prescription from a DOCTOR.
2. WARM COMPRESS. Use a warm towel to apply pressure on the affected area. If it improves, that means that there is a bruising/tissue damage to the area. Try to shield the area in your sleep and/or other activities and it should heal over time. See a DOCTOR just in case.
3. 1 & 2 doesn't work. Pain persists. Probably your headphones suck. Invest in a set that feels better. See a DOCTOR just in case, because you may have caused permanent damage.
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I assume that you are refusing to see doctors because you have a deathly allergy towards them, otherwise whatever advice I will be offer will be pointless:
0. See a doctor because nobody here is qualified to tell you real stuff. All I'm telling you is based on conjecture and experience without even seeing your ear.
00. If the pain is INSIDE your ear or you LOSE BALANCE seek professional medical help IMMEDIATELY.
1. COLD COMPRESS. Apply ice to the affected area and put some pressure. If this reduces the pain, that means there is an inflammation in your ear, probably from infection. Take lots of vitamins and water to kick the infection, as well as antibiotics. Which can only be obtained with a prescription from a DOCTOR.
2. WARM COMPRESS. Use a warm towel to apply pressure on the affected area. If it improves, that means that there is a bruising/tissue damage to the area. Try to shield the area in your sleep and/or other activities and it should heal over time. See a DOCTOR just in case.
3. 1 & 2 doesn't work. Pain persists. Probably your headphones suck. Invest in a set that feels better. See a DOCTOR just in case, because you may have caused permanent damage.
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Thank you for the suggestions.
It's funny that you say that I have an allergy toward doctors, because I actually first brought this up with my allergist (I have bad allergies towards things other than doctors). He immediately said it was likely an infection and gave me pills to treat it. I didn't take the pills because the pain went away about a day later.
If the paint does not go away (I'm sure it will) then I will go see a real doctor. In the mean time, I'm going to buy a new pair of headphones.
Stop wearing your headphones like that? Get a one ear military style mic? Idk
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Get a new pair of earphones, and turn your volume down
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Get a new pair of earphones, and turn your volume down
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How would volume affect it?
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From experience, I had the same identical pain you are talking about. I got rid of it by wearing the headphones on both ears and not just one. Not sure if this will work for you but might as well give it a shot.
Yep, checking texts and yep, BAM...Snatched and sprint.
Police report or Tracing did nothing.
Anyone know of cases that also have chains?
Thanks
The official Samsung protective case has a slot for a lanyard, but I doubt it'd be strong enough to withstand it being snatched from your hands (or you might be left with a case and no phone)
I think some of the aluminium bumper cases have lanyard slots and they'd be a much safer bet for something like this. If I'm mistaken about the lanyard slot you could also insert one between the headphone port and the 2nd microphone, but that might cause issues with noise cancellation.
I think a lanyard with the official sammy case will stop a snatched and grab.
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we'll have concealed carry here is a few more days, so that will stop some a-hole from stealing your stuff...hard to believe this is the only state in the country where you still cant...
If you have a strong enough lanyard, just find a case that works with it. Make sure it is a tough case and it will be strong enough to stay and not break or at least make the snatcher think it isn't worth it to take one.
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we'll have concealed carry here is a few more days, so that will stop some a-hole from stealing your stuff...hard to believe this is the only state in the country where you still cant...
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Yep glock on my butt crack n gerber auto knife in pocket...but if you shoot a fool for that your goin to jail lol,although if its on your hip not concealed and its seen it might detur (sp) somebody trying to rob you....thats f#cked up man sorry
Bit of a sidetrack, but regarding the 'carry a gun' thing, no. Showing a gun on your hip doesn't scare away the really motivated criminals.
It makes you target #1.
And a good video to go along with the info:
Ignore the comments because as usual, on Youtube they're half ignorant and half truthful and half bat-poop insane and half of all phrases using "half" are made up percentages.
This might be a good off-topic conversation so as not to derail the current thread...
That's terrible about your phone getting stolen. Over the weekend I saw this on the news (see link below) about thieves stealing phones and selling them at the mall. I never heard or seen these kiosks before.
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/nightly-news/52009921
I wonder if something like a Sling Grip or Fly Grip would reduce the chances of someone taking the phone out of your hands. It's not full proof, but it could hinder the thief.
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we'll have concealed carry here is a few more days, so that will stop some a-hole from stealing your stuff...hard to believe this is the only state in the country where you still cant...
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you cant in MD. there trying to change it but its going to take forever
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Bit of a sidetrack, but regarding the 'carry a gun' thing, no. Showing a gun on your hip doesn't scare away the really motivated criminals.
It makes you target #1.
And a good video to go along with the info:
Ignore the comments because as usual, on Youtube they're half ignorant and half truthful and half bat-poop insane and half of all phrases using "half" are made up percentages.
This might be a good off-topic conversation so as not to derail the current thread...
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This video doesn't even talk about the visible presence of a gun being a crime deterrent. Unless you mean concealed carry instead of showing a gun on your hip.
However I do agree with the majority of the points presented.
Going to geek out for a second, but if the perceived reward for the criminal is greater than the perception of the sanction against the act (i.e. getting shot or caught), then the criminal will try to 'get er done' anyway.
In other words, if the person open carrying looks like a target, they will still be a target, but now with a higher priority and more likely to receive a violent opening to the event.
The average Joe doesn't practice with their firearms anywhere near to the level of a soldier or law enforcer. Their retention self defense is minimal along with the very popular Serpa holsters or Uncle Mike's holsters that allow anyone to yank really hard and pull out the weapon.
All that being said, I'm a big fan of concealed carry.
Concealed carry is the dumbest argument for this kind of situation. What would you do? The person snatched it from your hands. A concealed (can't be seen) wouldn't deter the person. You weren't vigilant enough to stop that from happening so you're going to pull your gun and put other innocent people at risk?
And a gun on the hip and can be seen is a bigger danger as far as I'm concerned. One sucker punch and an opportunistic criminal is taking that gun off of you. Another gun on the streets in the wrong hands.
I'm not against guns and all that...I just think some clueless people that watch too much TV think they can go buy a gun and go to the range once a year and all of a sudden are experts on self defense.
I don't know about you, but I don't want to have to kill someone over a cell phone. There's no telling if that person that took off with the phone is carrying either and I don't know about where you live, but here it's usually a group of teens and they could care less about really running half the time. You just have to know to be vigilant when things seem fishy. And if you ride public transportation watch at all stops.
rquinn19 said:
Concealed carry is the dumbest argument for this kind of situation. What would you do? The person snatched it from your hands. A concealed (can't be seen) wouldn't deter the person. You weren't vigilant enough to stop that from happening so you're going to pull your gun and put other innocent people at risk?
And a gun on the hip and can be seen is a bigger danger as far as I'm concerned. One sucker punch and an opportunistic criminal is taking that gun off of you. Another gun on the streets in the wrong hands.
I'm not against guns and all that...I just think some clueless people that watch too much TV think they can go buy a gun and go to the range once a year and all of a sudden are experts on self defense.
I don't know about you, but I don't want to have to kill someone over a cell phone. There's no telling if that person that took off with the phone is carrying either and I don't know about where you live, but here it's usually a group of teens and they could care less about really running half the time. You just have to know to be vigilant when things seem fishy. And if you ride public transportation watch at all stops.
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Say if you were to wear a chain when the thief was snatching your phone, you'd end up injured. Any material thing isnt worth your well being, man......... or woman.
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apallohadas said:
Bit of a sidetrack, but regarding the 'carry a gun' thing, no. Showing a gun on your hip doesn't scare away the really motivated criminals.
It makes you target #1.
And a good video to go along with the info:
Ignore the comments because as usual, on Youtube they're half ignorant and half truthful and half bat-poop insane and half of all phrases using "half" are made up percentages.
This might be a good off-topic conversation so as not to derail the current thread...
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I cant believe he did so poorly even with all his air soft experience lolol, but who ever said this wont happen cause you are getting a cpl, you dont deserve one. If the theif snachted your phone and ran by time you deployed gun lined up a shot at his back as he ran away from you all yoi would do is put more people at risk
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Sorry, I'm the OP and been ultra busy for days.
Regarding gun carry, I had two of them and didn't stop the snatch and sprinter.
(ok...I'm kind of kidding but I'm a personal trainer, 210pds fit with arms (guns) exposed etc. Stupid joke but....it's all about surprise and speed....and I am (very) fast...a sprinter!
Was a stereotypical 16yr kid, black hoodie, 145 and f a s t! That's his weapon.
I took off but didn't have a chance.
Really crowded sat afternoon in Chicago too... he ran down an alley...I screamed: 'stop him'...guys at the other end of the alley had 5 sec or more to react but just stood dumbfounded and watched him run by. (I guarantEE U, I would have stopped him and enjoyed it, had roles been reversed).
Cop said it's the #1 911 in all of Chicago now.
Easiest $200-$300 to snatch.
Why can't stolen devices be made completely unusable by Samsung/carriers...like completely.
It' d solve the problem.
Nurra said:
Say if you were to wear a chain when the thief was snatching your phone, you'd end up injured. Any material thing isnt worth your well being, man......... or woman.
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I think the visible chain would be a deterrent....they do size up their victims, and seeing that...would likely have them look elsewhere.
If it didn't, don't think much of an injury would occur.
I'm not joining the carrying the argument. All sides have valid points. Although, I did find the two videos interesting.
As for your case situation, it's hard to say what would work best. Not much if you're just using a cheapy TPU case. If you had something like a Defender, you could cut slots, feed some material, like what is used for dog leashes. On the end, inside the phone, I would super glue it to flat piece of strong plastic or metal. The other end, super glue it to form a loop. The material would maintain comfort. Personally, I think it would get old fast.
As a general rule, to really prevent it, one needs to pay attention to what's going on around them. Obviously, you must have used the phone a bit earlier and the thief saw and followed you, noticed you weren't paying attention. We know the rest
Also, sorry to hear about your phone.
OP: Are you not setup with the Samsung tracking facility? I'm surprised nobody has asked yet?
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rockky said:
Sorry, I'm the OP and been ultra busy for days.
Regarding gun carry, I had two of them and didn't stop the snatch and sprinter.
(ok...I'm kind of kidding but I'm a personal trainer, 210pds fit with arms (guns) exposed etc. Stupid joke but....it's all about surprise and speed....and I am (very) fast...a sprinter!
Was a stereotypical 16yr kid, black hoodie, 145 and f a s t! That's his weapon.
I took off but didn't have a chance.
Really crowded sat afternoon in Chicago too... he ran down an alley...I screamed: 'stop him'...guys at the other end of the alley had 5 sec or more to react but just stood dumbfounded and watched him run by. (I guarantEE U, I would have stopped him and enjoyed it, had roles been reversed).
Cop said it's the #1 911 in all of Chicago now.
Easiest $200-$300 to snatch.
Why can't stolen devices be made completely unusable by Samsung/carriers...like completely.
It' d solve the problem.
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If you report a phone as stolen, carriers would blacklist it from their network...of course, this would affect the buyer, not the thief
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Hello,
i am thinking of buying this phone since nexus6 will probably be 5.9" but i have concerns about 4 infrared lights constantly working on front of the phone, does it pose any danger to my genitals? When my phone is in my pocket they will get scaned quite alot.
thanks.
Depends how big your balls are. If they are bigger than 5.2 inches then, sure I would be worried. But I would be worried anyway if my balls were that large.
You will more than likely become sterile.....
Put in pocket screen facing outward. Problem solved
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i doubt the infrared would pass through cotton on your clothing to begin with? unless you plan on shoving the phone into your boxers etc
had a good grin on my face from imaginating it regardless
Oh the silly things people imagine. LOL I'm an employee of best buy and we hear everything lol
IR is just another color we can't see. It can penetrate clothing if it's strong enough but certainly incapable of causing DNA damage.
This is the most hilarious XDA thread I've read for a while.
slickw said:
Hello,
i am thinking of buying this phone since nexus6 will probably be 5.9" but i have concerns about 4 infrared lights constantly working on front of the phone, does it pose any danger to my genitals? When my phone is in my pocket they will get scaned quite alot.
thanks.
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As long as your balls don't talk to the NFC chip you should be fine.
Srs reply:
The IR sensors would not be active while the phone is in your pocket.
The real problem is the ionizing radiation from the cell radio, so it's best to wear aluminum underpants to protect your gentlemen.
I've been wearing foil underwear for quite some time now. I used to be infertile because of the phones. I now have four children. Gonna be tough explaining to the kids why there's only one side of the family. Some secrets are better kept secret
Radiation is everywhere. It may be too late.
If one testicle is bigger than the other, you may be sterile.
If one testicle hangs lower than the other, you may be in trouble.
Look for symmetry for virility.
If you butt it in your pocket, you run the risk of ButtCheek carcinoma! A real pain in the
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as long you don't take selfie **** pics... you're fine lol
Just wanted to stop by and say this thread almost made me spit out my cereal on my work pc screen.