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Hi, I am very new to the cellphone/ smartphone modding scene. My friend recently decided to buy a new phone so we had been looking for a good phone for him and me, so he decided either tilt or iphone. I personally think the iphone is neat, but the lack of 3rd party programs w/o jailbreak, and no keyboard (i must have a full qwerty keyboard) is a huge turn off. We both have att, so he went to the store one day and came back with the 16g iphone. He took it back the next day... so he traded it for the tilt. Well I played around with it and I bought mine the next day (this is like 4 days ago). Since then I have done quite a few things... such as find out that there is NO drivers for the gfx card... apparently none of the reviews actually came out and stated that... "sluggish at times" is not "NO VIDEO DRIVERS!!". I have also flashed about 15 times or so, tried all sorts of cabs and whatnot. Right now I am running the L26 Diamondv3 rom. Anyways since i know we don't have drivers we must make do with what we have. But if I am going to be paying an extra 30 a month for unlimited data, i might as well use it. I know that i won't be able to play any games other than very very simple 2d games. But I was hoping i would be able to at least watch youtube videos. Well, watch videos where i can actually see what is happening (not the low quality mobile youtube with horrible sound). I have tried flashvideobundle with the tcmp w/e it is plugin. It worked alright but not as well as I had hoped. I have also looked into coreplayer, but 1.) not freeware 2.) apparently dTV doesn't work anymore so you have to use DirectDraw which tears.
My dad has an iphone and i can compare his quality using edge to mine using hsdpa... of course the tilt loses...
Ok. Now onto the point. Since there isn't really any other nice phones out there (that i know of, please correct me if i'm wrong) that have a large qwerty keyboard, not one that my thumb presses 4 buttons at once.. I think I will have to stick with the tilt. But if I am, i want to be able to use $30 a month in internet. I am using opera mobile beta for my browser, but i'd also like to watch decent quality vids. So...
Does anyone know anything that I might have missed in my digging around. Any tweaks for coreplayer that you might have found that i could look into purchasing it. Or maybe something to do with flashvideobundle.
Another thing is, is that i paid $400 for this phone... and a two year contract. So... I really need this phone to work, very well.. even if it doesn't have drivers.
This brings me to the second part of my post. Since I have spent $450 w/ tax... Should i keep this phone, maybe hope HTC makes drivers/ gets sued / whatever (which probably wont happen)... Or should I take it back and invest in a different phone? My old phone is an lg Chocolate KG800 (not american version) It just has a numberpad. My phone before that was a bb with full qwerty keyboard which i fell in love with. Does anyone know a phone that my suffice either until something else comes out, (which i would need around a $100-150 ish phone) or something that i could just go ahead and buy, and be happy with. Two phones I saw earlier was the Black Jack II and the BB Curve These would probably work until something really nice comes out
I know this is an HTC site and the Kaiser subsection, but from what I read not very many people are happy with HTC... So if you could please give me an unbiased opinion on my situation i would greatly appreciate it.
Thanx , Especially to those who cooked all sorts of goodies for me to play with these past few days
I bought this phone thinking i would use gps, but i barely do!
point is, really really think about what u will actually use, vs what would be nice to have.
The tilt/kaiser will surpass, but even though its subpar at playing videos/games its still solid device.
I would love to play a game seamlessly, but then again, the only game id play is like bejeweled at the toilet. And kaiser/tilt plays it seamlessly too! FYI, With coreplayer, videos will play smoothly, and its currently being updated with flash support.(There talking to adobe and all that stuff, check out corecodec.com forums!)
A good phone w/ a slide out qwerty wont be out for a few months, and if ur planning on getting a deal with a carrier u can add a year to that.
So, if it was me and
-I want to get a good deal with a carrier
-I thought real hard and found out i really dont play doom on my phone that much.
Id get the kaiser
otherwise, if
-I have about a grand to spend on a phone
I would wait a couple months and purchase a nextgen phone.
Sony Xperia sounds nice!
Oh yeah, dont be a hater of htc because they messed up. They already do more than what other companies will do for their customers.(Offer a free Wm6.1 update, etc) To bad people dont realize that. Alot of people here expect to be spoonfed by a company thats not obligated too.
On, The GPS issue , i thought it would be nice, but I got a gps a few weeks ago so i haven't really used it. I am a college student so I need some sort of quick on the fly , yet simple note taking. So I was thinking the tilt would work. and for the most part it does. But anyways, Actually the original phone i was going to get would have been the xperia, then i saw the tilt. since they are both made by HTC I figured that it'd be probably the same device... but now i know it probably has drivers.
And I guess HTC has done some good for their customers, but what kind of company releases a $400 smartphone without drivers?...
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Another thing is, is that i paid $400 for this phone... and a two year contract.
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Holy crap! One of the reasons I'm not too upset about the driver issue is because I paid ~175 for this phone. I dont know man. If you ask me, if you going to dish out that much, you might as well wait and see what HTC Diamond has to offer once/if it comes out in the US. I haven't been following the Diamond too well so I'm not even sure. Dont get me wrong, this phone is really good. When it comes to functionality and availability of support (XDA) and apps (XDA again), its really the way to go. GPS, 3g, qwerty, a dozen chefs making dozens of ROMs, a dev community taking the best of other devices to work with Tilts, and so on. These are the reasons I havent sold this phone. I say do more research and look into phones that are coming up, so I say wait. If you can find a tilt for cheaper than 450, maybe in the 200 range, then keep it, but 450....? Damn. If it helps, I got mine at BestBuy with a contract...good luck
Thats my 2¢.
the money is ome of my biggest concerns... if it did onlycost only a hundred or a a little more.. then it would be like thats sucks.. oh well... but since i dont curently have a job at the moment (this is usibg half of my graduation money) so i really dont have the money to blow awa. my friend got a 100 percebt refund so i can to. but the internet feature is really nice. in my opinion not as good for normal browsing as the iphone, but i dont think it is worthpaying 450 plus the extra 30 for something that is mediocre..
(this was typed on a tilt on my way to clas... the text was really lagy on the input, but that could be the browser)
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the money is ome of my biggest concerns... if it did onlycost only a hundred or a a little more.. then it would be like thats sucks.. oh well... but since i dont curently have a job at the moment (this is usibg half of my graduation money) so i really dont have the money to blow awa. my friend got a 100 percebt refund so i can to. but the internet feature is really nice. in my opinion not as good for normal browsing as the iphone, but i dont think it is worthpaying 450 plus the extra 30 for something that is mediocre..
(this was typed on a tilt on my way to clas... the text was really lagy on the input, but that could be the browser)
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Have you tried youtubeplay and opera mini?
Hi Guys
heard this phone can be sluggish. If you apply the tweaks above, do you still thing the phone is sluggish and how long does the battery last? Ive also heard that the cellular reception is crap?
Please give me your honest thoughts.
Please factor in that i'm a power user. I use everything from Word/Excel/Pocket Outlook through to Internet Sharing ... almost constantly.
isn`t there enough reviews and opinion threads onto this device here already ? is it really needed to settle down another one ?
my answer : YES it`s worth
The way I see it is like this. There is no phone that will einterly do what we want. The battery life is not much and it is a bit slow using the touch3d today. But for most part it works very good. It can multi task (so I can listen to music and play a game or internet at the same time)
There will always be those that will love it (I love the phone) and those who will try to bring it down. But that you will get with every phone that will come out.
I am no Iphone lover. Nice design and smoother, but to few programs that or compatible with it.
So you see, it's just where you stand. I guess if you have a girlfriend, you love her, but their will always be things of her you will not like, but you will accept it.
wow nice chap.
A few examples:
Can you just clarify for me if those "reviewers" and opinions have had the tweaks applied? Very few mention the tweaks either installed or not.
Are they heavy Office Mobile users?
I notice very few ... i mean NO .... comments from people using internet sharing.
As for reading reviews online from other site, you can pretty much garuntee they don't have these tweaks installed. I found ONE that did, a guy on CNet in Hong Kong.
So no, there are not enough reviews. I would like to hear from people who have applied these tweaks and use the apps above and internet sharing. i.e. heavy, business users of the Diamond. Anyone out there?
edit: your sig suggests you need to chill out a bit.
Thanks for the response Oddball and indeed you are correct. At the end of the day, its very much personal preference.
Are you an extensive user of Office Mobile and IS? If so, how do you find the phone using these apps (usualy for me, in meetings taking notes etc) and the battery life/performance?
What I think...
I find the device very useful for updating spreadsheets on the move, most of the time i can use the screen as normal with the finger, but depending on what tasks you want to do the stylus may need to come out.
It is great being able to edit, view and send office documents tho. I find the diamond the best of the bunch for doing this. I would say that the Touch Pro maybe better tho, as the QWERTY keyboard brings obvious benefits, see more of the screen when editing documents, more control using the keys and easier data entry.
For me tho the size of the device is important and the Touch Pro looks like its on the porkie side! After owning all manner of Windows Mobile phones and devices, including the Ameo, after having that beast (which if it wasnt for the size I would def rate as the best Windows Mobile Device ive had, 5" VGA Screen and 8gb MicroDrive, excellent stuff) ive got used to not using a hardware keyboard and i prefer the smaller, keyboardless device.
The speed of the Diamond, for me, even without the tweaks, is acceptable. I have 1.37 rom and a UK English or WWE Official UK Stock Diamond. Im more than happy with my device, excellent screen quality, very good in sunlight to. Camera is also very good (with the back cover off! cough cough! htc!!!!!!!! silly buggers!)
Regarding the Internet Sharing, i have not needed to do this as yet but I used to use the feature in the Tmobile Ameo and it was very useful if in a Wifi-less hotel or b&b. I tend to just use the built in Opera Browser and many times this has got me outta using my laptop.
(example - needed to price check an item that i was purchasing so just used Opera Internet Browser and i was tapping around and price checking within minutes)
For me the Diamond is excellent and that is thanks to the dedication and persistance of people on this forum. For me the Diamond experience will only get better.
Hope this helps!
thats all excellent info Tom, thanks very much!!!!!! Just the sort of stuff I am after
Must admit, I currently own a G900 (800x480 screen/qwerty popout) and its awesome for browsing/office etc but, I just can't live without an internal GPS anymore. Its amazing how annoying it is to think "I can just turn on the gps .... no wait, i didn't bring it out with me" gets.
How do you find the battery life whilst doing all that? Do you use push email or pop/smtp? I hear that the cell radio reception is poor, if so, do you find this affecting your battery a lot with regards to email collection/sending?
More on the Diamond Experience...
I do sometimes find that the Signal Strength is a bit poorer than ive had on previous devices, eg the Tmobile Ameo, but im sure with the guys beavering away on this forum it wont be long before a Radio update will fix that. Unless HTC pull their finger out and start taking comments on board and update as often as they can...not holding much hope. Thanks XDA Devs! At least your on the ball!
Battery life, so far, for me personally (who only has Bluetooth / wifi / internet connection when they need it) has been acceptable. Most Windows Mobile phones, when they first come out, suffer from pants battery life. I agree it is a measly capacity battery, but already extended life batteries are coming out, I however, for the moment, wont be purchasing one, but I would say someone such as yourself, it may be worth investing in one if you are to have a constant internet connection via 3G / GPRS or Wifi.
For emailing, usually just checking them I use my Diamond to receive via email via POP accounts and it has been fine doing this. Using both WIFI connections where possible and also using the 3G connection its done this brilliantly but to be honest every Windows Mobile device ive ever owned (going back to 2002 when the first SPV has came out) has been able to do this quickly and painlessly.
I agree with you, having owned a Touch Dual and a Touch and having wished they both had GPS integrated its great having it built in. Initially it took about 5 mins to find the Satellites but after it did this ive found about 20 secs and i have a fix and everythings spot on.
Having the great quality screen also helps to, as the sharp crispness is brilliant and a welcome addition to the already feature rich device that it is.
Full marks HTC for providing a small, very compact, but at the same time a feature rich phone that does everything apart from make you a cuppa tea (but can control your light switches to.... http://www.coolsmartphone.com/news4114.html whatever next! hehe!)
Will be happy to answer any more questions, please dont flame me for what I say (anyone out there) im giving you my PERSONAL experience of the phone about how I use it and understand that this may not be the case for everyone.
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....Will be happy to answer any more questions, please dont flame me for what I say (anyone out there) im giving you my PERSONAL experience of the phone about how I use it and understand that this may not be the case for everyone.
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Exactly!
Again, thanks for a very full and detailed response. I must admit the battery life does concern me ... a lot. As mentioned I have a G900 and with its very high res screen and rubbish 3g radio, it sucks battery life. So much in fact that I virtually doubled its depth with a 3000mah battery. Having said that, I didnt realise extended batteries are already coming out for the Diamond and this gives me some confidence.
As for the email, I too have been very happy with WM devices retrieving/sending. I was more concerned with the battery life with push mail on all the time but, guess you covered that with the extended battery options
I think my next step is now back to google to see what the extended batteries do to the shape and size of the phone.
Thank you very much for your informed and helpfull opinions
Trust me, it's not slow with newer Roms. TLR rom for instance runs great, and using the TFLO3D for 'daily purpose' is just mavellous. Not slow at all.
Just opening mailbox then takes about 3 seconds. Well poe. It's with all WM devices mostly. I can wait 3 seconds ?
PRoblem is people start tapping twice, or tapping other things. Just know how to use it and enjoy it.
It's definatedly worth it.
Extended Life Batteries
No worries, glad I could help.
I found more info on the extended life batterys here
http://www.modaco.com/content/pocke...he-41-p-p-diamond-extended-battery-available/
You also get shipped a replacement cover to (because of the depth of the battery)
As the diamond is a very slim device anyway I cant see it adding alot of bulk to the device, but like i said, for the moment im gonna stick with it as standard.
I have read somewhere of a 1800mah battery that was half the price of the one above, that may be worth investigating (think it was from Clove in the UK)
If you have any more questions, ask away, I will keep me eye out!
there is indeed and it is by clove!
http://www.clove.co.uk/viewProduct....Category=CB077B5C-390D-4153-8EDD-44D1B2BEF716
It also appears to have a flat back rather than the "diamond" type. At 1800mah it should power this little device a few seriously hard worked days
Thats the one I think I would go for if i was gonna get any.
The flat back is a good idea (altho to be honest its not that unstable on its back with the diamond shaped cover on it) but the capacity would mean a good few days use outta it.
And the price is reasonable to. Be nice to find out how much extra bulk the battery adds to the phone, i think im gonna email Clove to find out.
call me curious! hehe!
EDIT ** Email sent 1st July - 3:09 - Will wait and see and will post my findings on here...
I think this one could be even better - http://www.easydevices.co.uk/products.asp?partno=BATCRUISEEXTD&model=
I think i remember seeing this one in another thread somewhere. Notice the battery part no BATCRUISEEXTD on the website.
I didnt think the Touch Cruise had the same size battery compartment as the Touch Diamond? Is this just an error on the website, or is it because they just bundle a Touch Diamond bigger back cover with it?
Will be interesting to find out. Thats one huge momma of power!
Re Ext Batteries from Clove...
tomchap said:
Thats the one I think I would go for if i was gonna get any.
The flat back is a good idea (altho to be honest its not that unstable on its back with the diamond shaped cover on it) but the capacity would mean a good few days use outta it.
And the price is reasonable to. Be nice to find out how much extra bulk the battery adds to the phone, i think im gonna email Clove to find out.
call me curious! hehe!
EDIT ** Email sent 1st July - 3:09 - Will wait and see and will post my findings on here...
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Got a reply back from Clove today and this is what they said:
Tom
Thank you for the email. We are waiting for the first of these
batteries to come through. As a result at this point we are unable to
comment on how much thickness the battery actually adds.
However based on the manufacturers other extended batteries, we can say
that they keep additional thickness to a minimum and are very good at
ensuring the casing is designed to be as slim and functional as
possible.
Guess its watch this space till they are released then!
well, having finaly seen an Omnia with a screen shot of Excel running and the popup keyboard, the keyboard took up virtually all the screen and made it to me, unusable
I've bitten the bullet and bought a Touch with an 1800mah battery.... I just REALLY hope that build quality has significantly impoved over the TyTN and BlueAngels i've had in the past... fingers crossed!
Thanks for all the advice Tom & others!
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well, having finaly seen an Omnia with a screen shot of Excel running and the popup keyboard, the keyboard took up virtually all the screen and made it to me, unusable
I've bitten the bullet and bought a Touch with an 1800mah battery.... I just REALLY hope that build quality has significantly impoved over the TyTN and BlueAngels i've had in the past... fingers crossed!
Thanks for all the advice Tom & others!
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good bye! what a waste of cyber space...i'll run and give a warning to the Touch forum ppl. hope i am not too late....
KukurikU said:
good bye! what a waste of cyber space...i'll run and give a warning to the Touch forum ppl. hope i am not too late....
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You have been nothing but rude and unconstructive in all the posts I have seen you write. Why are you here?
In fact, don't bother answering, i'm not interested. Bet your really proud of yourself.
Monty Burns said:
You have been nothing but rude and unconstructive in all the posts I have seen you write. Why are you here?
In fact, don't bother answering, i'm not interested. Bet your really proud of yourself.
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real problem' real answer:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=406195
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=406470
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=405174
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=406062
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=406227
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=406107
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=404700
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=404700
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=402039
now look at mi avatar and translate it....
I currently have a Kaiser (HTC TyTnII on UK Orange) but have only just looked into the HTC Touch Diamond... and wow, does it look nice!
On the Orange website it's saying I can't upgrade my phone until May next year. eBay has the Diamond at around £350.
So, I guess I'm wondering if anyone can advise me. Are Orange likely to cut me a deal if I call them up? I guess I'm bound to a contract with them at present so I can't say I'm leaving them. Will it be easiest just to buy one from eBay?
Is it worth it? Is the Touch Pro out or coming out soon? Should I wait for that?
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I currently have a Kaiser (HTC TyTnII on UK Orange) but have only just looked into the HTC Touch Diamond... and wow, does it look nice!
On the Orange website it's saying I can't upgrade my phone until May next year. eBay has the Diamond at around £350.
So, I guess I'm wondering if anyone can advise me. Are Orange likely to cut me a deal if I call them up? I guess I'm bound to a contract with them at present so I can't say I'm leaving them. Will it be easiest just to buy one from eBay?
Is it worth it? Is the Touch Pro out or coming out soon? Should I wait for that?
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If you can't upgrade until May then you'll get little joy out of Orange I'm afraid. You have to be in the last three months of your contract before they'll let you upgrade. However, saying that you've got nothing to lose by calling them and you may be able to get a deal if you change your package to a more expensive one.
Cal them first before going the eBay route - as I said you've got nothing to lose.
Is it worth it? Hell, yeah! I was torn between the Diamond and waiting for the Pro, but impatience got the better of me and I plumped for the Diamond.
Even though I've only had it a day I can definitely say that it is fantastic! It's up to you if you want to wait for the Pro. I've come from a TyTN II myself and I sat back and really thought about it before going for the Diamond, and basically asked myself two questions:
1. How often did I use the keypad? Very rarely, maybe three times in the eight months that I owned the phone.
2. How much free space did I have on my 4Gb SD card? 2.5Gb, so for me having 4Gb of non-upgradable storage wasn't an issue.
The final thing that swung it for me was the size of the thing. It's good to have a PDA that's "phone sized", rather than being a huge brick.
Thats a good idea Have a word with Orange and twist there arms, see what you can do. I think my missus is due an Upgrade in August and im sure she will go for the Diamond (but as shes skint, I think shes gonna put it on eBay!!!!!!!)
I love my diamond and have used phones with hardware keyboards and like the post above says, how often do you really use it?
Software professionals and IT gurus would probably miss it as im sure using a hardware keyboard and using the Remote Desktop software is a great combination, but the VGA screen is excellent on the Diamond, its the best phone ive ever owned (and ive had quite a few...see my signature!)
Diamond = Thumbs up. Theres sooo much software and tweaks out at the moment with more software coming out just around the corner!
The futures bright, the futures...errr...Diamond? hehe!
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1. How often did I use the keypad? Very rarely, maybe three times in the eight months that I owned the phone.
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Wow, how did you cope without the keypad? I think I probably use it 10-20 times a day and this is the main reason I'm holding back on upgrading I guess.
It looks a fantastic piece of kit... but I don't think I'd like using an onscreen keyboard
How long have you been with Orange?
If it's over a couple of years remind them how much money they have had off you and if that doesn't work tell them you will consider cancelling the contract. Generally they want to keep customers so will eventually give in.
Also, it's always good to ask to speak to their line manager if they can't help.
Hello
I am sorry to read of your experience with Orange, I would like to discuss your account with you so that we can achieve a mutually satisfactory resolution.
Please can you respond to [email protected] with a subject of "Debbie OrangeResponse" so that your details can be passed to me quickly and efficiently.
I look forward to hearing from you.
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Hey guys,
I had my Diamond for a few months now, and with the help and hard work by the great people in this forum I now got it from "unusable" (the way it was when it came out of the box) to "almost working" after flashing many different ROMs, trying tweaks, installing and uninstalling applications and hacks.
The device still is laggish, slow, unresponsive. Many things still suck hard, and it still crashes at least once a day. The ridiculous fact that there is a "reset manager" installed which does a scheduled soft reset every now and then speaks for itself.
To cut this short, I decided to destroy what I believe is the greatest piece of sh** you could ever put a SIM card into, and I want to do it in the most spectacular way possible.
The reasons for destroying it are:
1. It sucks so hard it makes me aggressive, I feel like throwing it on the ground at least once a day when I wait for an important call only to discover that that sob crashed two hours ago or when a phone call is dropped in the middle of a conversation
2. my friends laugh at me because I have the most sophisticated, most expensive cell phone and I am the one having the greatest trouble with it.
3. It HAS to be destroyed so it doesn't fall into someone else's hands and devours someone else's time, money and energy
4. It's fun, isn't it?
I will make a video of the destruction process and post it either here or on Youtube for the amusement of the community.
What I need now are your suggestions on how to do it. Please participate in the poll attached to this thread and let me know what you think.
i wouldnt mind
hi, i wouldnt mind my time and money devoured by this evil diamond of yours =)
really, but elf broke down today, and i hope they will replace it with something awesomer, but i dont have that kind of money to buy myself a new one =P
you can destroy my touch, it has caused me even more trouble than you diamond i think =D
Give it to someone else...
There are even people finding it fantastic...
Or to a chef, that he can continue to make excellent ROMs...
I think, that Dutty broke his Diamond and is looking for another one...
Ok, I go out...
the point
c'mon you guys, this is not about getting rid of the device. We have a working public service here and they collect trash every two weeks.
No, this is about something else. It is about the question what exactly is happening here, why this forum exists and what has become normal in the world of 2008.
It is that a manufacturer has brought a device to the market that can only be used after hours and hours spent on doing what the developers were supposed to do. People like Dutty, who's ROM I am using right now, deserve not only respect for what they are doing, they also deserve to get PAID for it - not by donations, but with cold hard cash from HTC.
I can buy an electric two-speed hammer drill here at the hardware store for the equivalent of 10 US Dollars, it comes with printed instructions, a small bag with tools and replacement brushes, and a plastic carrying box. It is covered by a two year warranty.
On the other hand, I can buy a $500 piece of crap called the Touch Diamond, which is almost unuseable in the state I got it out of the box because of being FAR too slow to be used in an everyday manner. I can then spend HOURS AND DAYS on re-flashing, updating and customizing it with the results of work done by people like Dutty and all the others here who ALSO have spent their time and energy on the same goal, and I end up with a device that only crashed once a day and still is SLOW. Neither the manufacturer of the hardware nor Microsoft who have done the software GIVES A SH**.
I am currently writing a book on this and many other topics, on things that are to be considered somewhere between ripoff and burglary, and that have become widely accepted just because of the lack of alternatives.
Look at the dreaded Iphone, for example. A device that has NOTHING outstanding to offer, a mediocre PDA combined with a mediocre MP3 player, a mediocre 2MP camera, and a mediocre cell phone - all it has is USABILITY.
A technical piece of equipment, be it a cell phone or a hammer drill, has two basic reasons to justify its existence: functionality and usability. A hammer drill has to drill holes, but must also enable the user to handle it appropriately.
The Diamond lacks both of these. It is still full of bugs and flaws, as we all know, and it is hardly usable without the f***ing stylus. The Iphone has both, it is blazing fast AND it is a charm to handle, but it has no ground-breaking features AND it comes with the restrictive policies of Apple Computer that we all know.
Before anybody gets excited, the Iphone is NOT an alternative to the Diamond. My old Nokia 7373 is because it just WORKS.
I have to state an example here, and that's why the Diamond has to die. I will not give it to anyone, even though I would love to support the community, but I think I give a greater gift to society if only ONE person reads this and ends up thinking - wow, what a scam by HTC and M$.
Please participate in the poll ;-)
Why don't you just send it for repair?
What REPAIR?? What should I write as fault description: "SLOW, LAGGISH, FULL OF BUGS"?
Try to send Windows Vista in for repair, maybe you will get back the first error-free operating system in the known universe, for free...
That's the way it SHOULD be, but sadly, the way it IS is different.
I know at least 3 users who don't know this site and are using their stock diamond. They don't have the bottom-edge expectations as you seem to have.
I have them and yes, i find them here. This is another stupid, boring thread about something YOU COULD HAVE KNOWN from the start.
These are silly devices which cannot replace a PC, just phone and fun. I have seriously NO ISSUES AT ALL so please don't start spamming this **** again. I think that is stupid, we had enough of those people right at the beginning.
You buy it, YOU pay 500 dollar, YOU go into the marketing.
HTC makes money of it, makes a living of people working there. That's how market works. Stop complaining after you buy something. Then just don't buy it. You always have options to try out first.
Like the idea...
But you forgot to put in the option of putting it in acid and let it slowly dissolve into notingness...
That would get my vote!
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What REPAIR?? What should I write as fault description: "SLOW, LAGGISH, FULL OF BUGS"?
Try to send Windows Vista in for repair, maybe you will get back the first error-free operating system in the known universe, for free...
That's the way it SHOULD be, but sadly, the way it IS is different.
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3 months ago you were saying something completely different:
"I love the phone, really the first usable device without keyboard that relies on dialling via virtual keyboard. Still have the Samsung Armani thing here waiting to go on Ebay..."
It is really the peer pressure is not it? And the destruction show is mainly for them? Hardly anybody of the xda-developers members would make a good audience.
I felt disappointed with the Diamond when I got it in June this year and yes, the feeling of rage came to me especially when the GPS was unable to get a fix.
Since then I learnt how to tweak the phone and today I can say that if it was misplaced I would get the same phone again.
Perhaps your phone really developed some hardware problem that demonstrates itself in lockups and sluggishness. I had my phone last week sitting next to iphone and all comparable applications such as the google maps were running at the same speed.
And I do not need to restart it unless I do a lot of browsing with Opera, which is still in beta and the latest version 29/10 seems to have fixed even that.
Spamming, Riel, is what you do. Nobody cares about how many people you know that are willing to live with an overpriced device that doesn't stand up to what it promises. There are millions of organisms that eat feces and are happy with it, did you know that?
I could NOT have known from the start about any of the negative experiences I had to make while trying to use the Touch Diamond. When you buy a machine, like a coffee maker, you expect that it will make coffee. That is the implication of the fact that the coffee maker exists and is being sold as one.
I have bought a very expensive cell phone, implicating that I can make and receive phone calls and send SMS, and it does not even accomplish these basic tasks without showing bugs and errors. Another implicit expectation is that a device sold in 2008 would be at least as fast and responsive as my 2001 Ericsson T39m, at least as far as telephony and SMS are concerned.
I wouldn't complain if the Diamond needed 1-2 seconds to start a complex application like Google Maps, but it needs 1-2 seconds to switch from my email inbox to an already running Opera, and 3 seconds to take a picture after pressing the shutter button, and yes, it crashes during and after phone calls quite frequently.
Yes, I used other WM phones like the Samsung Omnia or even the Xperia (had the chance to play with it for half a day) and the ALL had these problems. Unfortunately I had already bought the Diamond...
I am not whining or complaining about the loss of money. If I was, I would sell the Diamond on Ebay or somewhere else instead of destroying it.
Riel, I have many devices here that simply do not function properly, with manufacturers not caring about it and saying that I have to live with it, including even a CAR.
What you wrote is just an example for how many people today have stopped thinking about what they can expect for their money. I would love to sell you a hammer drill that takes 30 minutes for drilling a hole, quits unexpectedly from time to time for no obvious reason, and weighs 20 pounds. People like YOU would be quite happy with it as long as it looks fancy, has a blue display on top of it and makes sounds like a device from Star Trek.
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3 months ago you were saying something completely different:
"I love the phone, really the first usable device without keyboard that relies on dialling via virtual keyboard. Still have the Samsung Armani thing here waiting to go on Ebay..."
It is really the peer pressure is not it? And the destruction show is mainly for them? Hardly anybody of the xda-developers members would make a good audience.
Yes, that's what I wrote, and it is still true. The Diamond is the first device I had in my hands that has no numeric keyboard AND allows dialling with one finger without major problems. True.
That was BEFORE I started using it beyond the capabilities of an ordinary cell phone, and BEFORE it started hanging or crashing in the middle of a call.
I wrote that I was impressed by the way I could dial numbers with the Diamond compared to the Armani, and that is still true as well.
No honey, it is not peer pressure. I don't mind running around with a pink Nokia everybody makes fun of, I did this for half a year, everybody was laughing, I didn't care. The fact is that I missed calls from people because of the phone not ringing and had to explain to them that my $500 high-tech phone is unable to play a ringtone when someone calls me. If somebody finds that funny, they are not making fun of me, but of HTC and Microsoft who sell crap like that for money. I can only make fun of myself because I was stupid enough to buy it, and this experience will keep me from buying any Windows Mobile device before I had the chance to play with WM7 for at least a week.
And come on, some people really need to lighten up a little. This is supposed to be a fun thread, it is about creating a funny video, if you don't want to read it press ALT-F4 and do something else.
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Chris1974 said:
Like the idea...
But you forgot to put in the option of putting it in acid and let it slowly dissolve into notingness...
That would get my vote!
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Very good idea, but I don't think there is any acid that will dissolve the plastic housing. What we would get would be a device where some internal parts would be eaten up by acid, but I don't think very much would be visible on the outside.
Apart from that, it is hard to get concentrated sulfuric acid due to the danger it imposes.
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Spamming, Riel, is what you do. Nobody cares about how many people you know that are willing to live with an overpriced device that doesn't stand up to what it promises. There are millions of organisms that eat feces and are happy with it, did you know that?
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So why are you putting US up with your expectations? It's obvouis that the phone is good enough for the masses.
I could NOT have known from the start about any of the negative experiences I had to make while trying to use the Touch Diamond. When you buy a machine, like a coffee maker, you expect that it will make coffee. That is the implication of the fact that the coffee maker exists and is being sold as one.
I have bought a very expensive cell phone, implicating that I can make and receive phone calls and send SMS, and it does not even accomplish these basic tasks without showing bugs and errors. Another implicit expectation is that a device sold in 2008 would be at least as fast and responsive as my 2001 Ericsson T39m, at least as far as telephony and SMS are concerned.
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It does more then I want to. Don't know what your problem is, but I call, mail, sms, synchronise, navigate, play games etc. No it does not make coffee. And, yes, you had the option of trying it for a while.
I wouldn't complain if the Diamond needed 1-2 seconds to start a complex application like Google Maps, but it needs 1-2 seconds to switch from my email inbox to an already running Opera, and 3 seconds to take a picture after pressing the shutter button, and yes, it crashes during and after phone calls quite frequently.
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Just edit the registry. When you are not pations, you can set those delays to zero. The average user has no problems with it.
Yes, I used other WM phones like the Samsung Omnia or even the Xperia (had the chance to play with it for half a day) and the ALL had these problems. Unfortunately I had already bought the Diamond... I am not whining or complaining about the loss of money. If I was, I would sell the Diamond on Ebay or somewhere else instead of destroying it.
Riel, I have many devices here that simply do not function properly, with manufacturers not caring about it and saying that I have to live with it, including even a CAR.
What you wrote is just an example for how many people today have stopped thinking about what they can expect for their money. I would love to sell you a hammer drill that takes 30 minutes for drilling a hole, quits unexpectedly from time to time for no obvious reason, and weighs 20 pounds. People like YOU would be quite happy with it as long as it looks fancy, has a blue display on top of it and makes sounds like a device from Star Trek.
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Simple.
I think the perfect phone would cost 10.000 dollars, if you know what I mean.
Riel said:
So why are you putting US up with your expectations? It's obvouis that the phone is good enough for the masses.
It does more then I want to. Don't know what your problem is, but I call, mail, sms, synchronise, navigate, play games etc. No it does not make coffee. And, yes, you had the option of trying it for a while.
Just edit the registry. When you are not pations, you can set those delays to zero. The average user has no problems with it.
Simple.
I think the perfect phone would cost 10.000 dollars, if you know what I mean.
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Well, Riel, I did not have the option of trying it for a while as you wrote... At first, it looks - and feels - great. You play around with all the features, discover the G-sensor, try a little GPS with Google Maps - great. It's like getting a new car with new features that the old one didn't have - electric windows, electric seats, more power, everything smells new - great.
When after a couple of weeks you notice a rattle behind the glove box you start noticing things that you didn't see - or didn't want to see - when it was new.
I don't see me here putting the blame on anyone on this board. I put the blame on the manufacturer who didn't do his job, be it for the hardware or the software part. Why should I edit the registry in my unpaid time to fix a camera delay that I am not responsible for?
You buy a new car, you notice that the air conditioner doesn't work. Would you start tweaking this yourself? Just edit the registry, put in another orifice, flush the system, and maybe that helps?
You are right, the perfect phone would cost a lot of money. Maybe $10000 as you write. Maybe a little less. If it would exist, I would happily spend like $2500 on it. But I don't think it would have to be so expensive - the Iphone is a good start, but with all of its implicit (no flash, no cut-and-paste, too big, poor resolution...) and synthetic (restrictive Apple policies) limitations it's no alternative.
I did not intend to create a discussion like this, I wanted to let all of you participate in the execution of my phone, that's what the poll is for. I am SURE that very many people from this board will watch the video once it's there. I am not torturing lab mice here, it's just a phone so no need to get excited.
If you really want to destroy such a nice device id say go with boiling water and then shoot the hell out of it :>
I love my diamond with duttys ROM, I was disappointed for a while after i bought it how slow it is (1st ones that came out). but since I had tweaked my old wizard here this didnt feel so hard to do the same for this.
my first Diamond got stolen in Bulgaria and I had insurance choice to take money or new phone, I gone for new Diamond. it had new rom and was pretty fast without any tweaks
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That was BEFORE I started using it beyond the capabilities of an ordinary cell phone, and BEFORE it started hanging or crashing in the middle of a call.
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Definitively a hardware issue. I had a couple of phones like that and they were both fixed in warranty by the manufacturer's service centre.
The problem is that it is hard to distinguish between software issues and hardware problems on a device like Diamond unless you had a working phone in your hand.
Switching between applications is instant, just tried now from inbox to opera running under 1 sec.
Oh and with the Camera lag- it is there on purpose, it is meant to stabilize the picture after pressing the shutter. I have the shutter delay off and it takes the photo within 1/2 sec.
you can double press the camera button to take a instant picture. It has a Auto Focus, which is why it takes a couple of seconds. Length of time does depend on light conditions. more light = quicker to take picture
What's up i hope everyone is doing good
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I have a bunch of old phones and tablets, that my kids have destroyed in one way or another, that i want to put together to build something new with. I have no idea if anyone has done something like this before or if its even possible. I have little to no experience in this field, but i have been learning more and more each day. If i posted this in the wrong place or if this group doesn't really like or cover this type of thing, i am also sorry for kinda just kicked in the front door, acting like a drunk asshole, and just started blurting out a bunch of nonsense. Anyway.... The Raspberry Pi is what got me thinking about this kinda project in the first place. i dont have anything i really need one for, im not a developer or programmer, i dont build drones or bots. i just thought i would start with this and see where it goes. I just started using Linux, and getting used to how it runs. i know this will make me seem stupid and probably make a few chuckle , but i went balls deep and made a live partitioned Kali Linux USB. Yep im that guy, no experience but buys the most expensive, and non-noob practical, for pros only edition and gets in way over his head. So yea, I've been playing with that( definitely not *trying* to crack my neighbors WIFI) trying to learn about Pen testing, and getting a feel for linux. So there is the basic feel for the skills i dont have.
* PROJECT, INFO, QUESTIONS, HELP *
I have a few different things that i was wanting to try and build. Like i said above i have a bunch of parts. i will start with a list ideas and then ill list parts. Just a little note i dont have very much money so i cant go out and buy very many extra things to build with. i know this sounds worse and worse but it'll be fun for me and maybe pose a challenge for some of you plus i will get a ton of learning in
* god that sounded bad *
Here we finally go:
An iPhone that runs Kali Linux without a carrier and SIM card. Possible use would be a pocket PEN tool, that still could call and text. First big problem is getting past the no SIM activation screen.
A home controller.
Car music player/ down-loader/ streamer/ gps unit. i have a few phones with broken screens that could be integrated straight into my car or truck and stay there.
Something like a Rasp Pi or arduino. I think it would be fun to try and put one together from scratch, not sure if it even possible with what i have.
A store tracker bugger? Ok so you probably know that stores like to turn on your blue-tooth or contact your phone without your consent or even knowing, well maybe something that doesn't have a screen that just chills in my pocket with my phone and stops or fires back at them. Again not sure if its possible or even a good idea but it crossed my mind.
White hat/ Black hat: Maybe something fun or something really fun. No clue where you guys stand on this but in todays world the only way to "get ahead" is to cross that line. Look at the people running our country, its ****ing scary!!!!! Open to any ideas!!!!! if you have had enough and are leaving, thanks for making it this far!!! IF you plan on continuing, your a bad MOFO!!!
Parts and things that i have:
iphone 5s: No SIM card or little tray that sides that SIM into the phone. Other than that it works good.
Samsung galaxy s3: Everything works, battery life is shot and is extremely annoying
Samsung galaxy s4: Digitizer is broken. Other than that it works great.
ZTE: 830 at&t phone from walmart. everything works plastic screen is cracked
Lg: L16C everything works but i took it apart and it is running with no cover on it.
Hp laptop: Not sure year or anything its in pieces, it was not working before it was taken apart because of a virus.
2x Nextbooks: they are 3 years old and dont turn on. one of them is in pieces and the other is complete.
That pretty much covers it. there might be a few more things i cant think of but nothing major. Well, what do you think? is there the possibility to make something? I think by now your know way more about me than you could have ever wanted, your eyes probably hurt, and you most likely have to pee, so ill hurry, Thanks for your time and for the work you have already put into helping me. I only ask that you just keep this in the back of your head and if something comes to mind, send me a reply. If you hated this and are sick of me, my horrible grammer, bad storytelling and everything else, feel free to tell me when you also have an idea to add.
THANK YOU