Over the last few weeks I've been trying out the different custom ROMs to see if there's really any performance benefits... My conclusion is that there isn't. For the most part.
My baseline for comparison is stock (Bell) JL2 2.2 + speedmod 13C. I've tried all the JS5/7/8 ROMs I can find (Doc, Darky, Serendipity, even the deodexed JS8 via Odin from the armani thread). No matter what rom, I always switch to speedmod 13C and I always restore all my user apps with Titanium and set my widgets/homescreen config exactly the same. I always use the JL2 modem.
In every case, stock 2.2 has consistently shown smoother animation - most noticeable in the notification drawer dropdown, but also in list scrolling. I also notice more frequent "lag" when switching between the app drawer and home screens with the custom ROMs.
App start times are virtually the same. Battery life is too close to call. GPS is more or less the same - 5-10M fix in < 30 seconds, but the accuracy is sometimes off by ~50M no matter what ROM. The only area where I find there is an improvement in the 2.2.1 ROMs is the browser - which obviously due to the new rendering is smoother when scrolling desktop web sites.
At the end of the day, the custom ROMs seem overall slower then stock 2.2 + hardcore. The only advantage I really see is the theme options and the browser. Just curious if anyone else has come to the same conclusion...
Hi dude
According to me the Galaxy S custom ROMs are quite a bit faster in general performance and also in benchmarks
With Darky's 9.3 Extreme Edition i get above 1700 on quadrant with all lagfixes enabled, voodoo kernel, XWJS5 firmware and XXJPY modem
Wish we could measure and compare the smoothness of ROMs somehow
Good luck
Quadrant is useless in measuring performance .
But 2.2.1 was much improved and the dependant upon what custom rom and settings you use it might be a bit or a lot better .
Personally i would have no problem using stock 2.2.1
jje
For me the miui Rom is the fastest I run on my Sgs, even it is just a beta.
Ok it is a 2.3 Rom based on the cm7, so I don't know if this counts for u.
Note: this is a personal feeling of the speed of the miui.
in my experience the 2.2.1 roms are a lot faster. in general you cannot compare a 2.2 rom with ext 4 (probably even nj) and speedmod kernel with a stock 2.2.1 rom.
the 2.2.1 rom may be a bit slower in your quandrant benchmarks but it is not noticeably slower with stock kernel in daily use and has twice the battery life. on custom kernels do not use any "lagfixes" with 2.2.1 roms, theres no benefit, i even dare to say they tend to make things worse (performance and of course battery life).
Js8, hardcore's kernel without any applied lagfix is the way to go for me. erm sry thats wrong, its miui now
i tend to agree. everytime a new 2.2.1 comes out .. "this is faster and smoother"
well off course it is right after install till things settle with no apps installed it is always faster..
i have not found any benefit from custom 2.2.1 roms or any other rom than the original jpy ( and that they are de-odexed to allow themes, but i prefer stock with minor tweeks (see below))
also using speedmod kernel.. jl2 modem (for usa 850 wcdma) recommended tweeks and do use ext4 and ext4nj as i find it does make installing apps, shortcuts, and gallery and my email program run much faster.
although rfs is pretty good now in 2.2.1
quadrant and other benchmarks are similiar but do vary between runs..
i have customized jpy myself with custom icons in framwork-res
and the modified twlauncher for landscape mode and transparency
and the custom camera that enables the power button
and a wifi config to enable adhoc
etc.
JJEgan said:
Quadrant is useless in measuring performance .
But 2.2.1 was much improved and the dependant upon what custom rom and settings you use it might be a bit or a lot better .
Personally i would have no problem using stock 2.2.1
jje
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Totally agree about the quadrant issue. It was given to provide a relative measure.One which usually doesn't work well
using Doc's Rom with 2.2.1 and I can't see how i could benefit from it being faster. It's great, much better than the 2.1 I had previously.
Why would 2.2.1 stock be much different in peformance to a 2.2.1 ROM?
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Hi guys ,
I see everybody excited about eminent official release of Froyo.
I have Bell Galaxy (JH2) and I'm very happy with . After rooted and lag fix with Voodoo the phone is very snappy .
My question is , apart from the Flash thing, what else Froyo will improve as I read many people complaining about the phone becoming slow and sluggish.
It will worth the hassle to upgrade if my actual version is very good ?
Thanks.
Stick with eclair if you are happy with it, eclair + voodoo 4 beta is the fastest combination on SGS.
Beside flash support, froyo did few minor tweak, for example
- "call" and " message" in contact now appear right under the contact number, not at the bottom, improve usability
- camera now with front and back camera shortcut available at the top most interface
- the input cursor is very helpful for typing correction
- google group contact can now sync down to your phone
- new youtube client for better support (with flash support)
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Yeah I likw the minor tweaks in froyo to the interface etc but Im going to flash back to eclair actually. I miss the speed and can live without the froyo stuff.
Flash is _slow_ and I actually didn't even miss not having it. The browser is froyo is a memory hog and slow compared to eclair too....
Hopefully later froyo versions will speed things up a bit..
especially since froyo seems to correlate highly with corrupted internal sd cards in our phones.. (i9000m) i would wait till official release and then about a month to make sure that there is not a rush or people with corrupted sd due to the release.
Is this really the decision we have to make?
V2.1
Pro
Better battery life
More stable
Con
Camera picture shifted by a pixel resulting in a line down the side.
Slower
Stuck with old 2.1 applications
V2.2
Pro
Faster
Newest applications such as GMail are much more usable, there are also new applications for 2.2+ only
Camera pictures turn out correctly
Con
Camera application crashes unexpectedly
General instability of the phone and its applications
Terrible battery life (at least 50% less on a good day)
ps. if any of these can be resolved please let me know. If you have anything to add to the list, also let me know. I've been switching back and forth between the two trying to figure out which I like more, but I find either way I'm terribly annoyed by something.
I disagree with the cons of v2.2.1, the camera works perfect, no instability and the battery lasts 1 1 / 2 to 2 days
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I disagree with the cons of v2.2.1, the camera works perfect, no instability and the battery lasts 1 1 / 2 to 2 days
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+1, And i think that the battery drain deppends of the OC, and the care of the usser.
3 days with out changer with and extremly care and oc.
I see 2.1 is more stable and faster than 2.2
because and this is happened with me
apps installed in 2.1 are the same in 2.2
but 2.2 needs more time to open the desktop and the apps menu
and sometimes appear ( problem loading widget ) so i need to reload the widget
and for that reason I'm gonna stay on 2.1 because I'm tired with 2.2
notice\ If u have any solution for the problem mentioned above please
tell me
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I disagree with the cons of v2.2.1, the camera works perfect, no instability and the battery lasts 1 1 / 2 to 2 days
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1 1/2 to 2 days... hmm. I never make it 48 hours on 2.2.. 36 with minor usage. But 2.1 with the same usage I usually make 3 days at least.
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+1, And i think that the battery drain deppends of the OC, and the care of the usser.
3 days with out changer with and extremly care and oc.
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Fair enough, but I make 3 days normally on 2.1 with mine over-clocked to 1.1GHz. At least from what I remember. I have recently gone back to 2.1 and will report back if I'm thinking of 800 MHz and got confused.
On 2.2, with 700 Mhz I never lasted much more then 36 hours, so either way I feel 2.1 is doing much better.
What mod do you guys use? or just the un-modded beta kernel?
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I see 2.1 is more stable and faster than 2.2
because and this is happened with me
apps installed in 2.1 are the same in 2.2
but 2.2 needs more time to open the desktop and the apps menu
and sometimes appear ( problem loading widget ) so i need to reload the widget
and for that reason I'm gonna stay on 2.1 because I'm tired with 2.2
notice\ If u have any solution for the problem mentioned above please
tell me
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Maybe I'm missing something but the GMail app, for one, doesn't seem to be updated on 2.1? I can't even copy/paste, I don't have the new header, etc. Can anyone correct me on this if I'm wrong?
2.1 is definately more stable.. however faster I'd say I agree with you if you install JIT beta and overclock it (which is fine, considering it still runs longer for meoverclocked than the 2.2 kernel) but without those mods its a lot more laggy for the UI.
EDIT: Apologies, I just noticed the multi-quote button. Next time I promise not to spam post.
2.1 cons: can't upload directly from website. eg, imageshack. Don't have flash support on website. Apps2sd need tedious step to install.
2.2 cons: stock camera doesn't support widescreen. Wifi instability.
Lets see how official 2.2 perform.
No Milestone camera application supports widescreen.
The stock Motorola Camera has only a crop mode that strips the top and bottom parts of the picture (lowering its resolution) that is called "widescreen"...
Also, there's no 2.2 for Milestone yet, there is only an early 2.2 beta firmware available (and there are also 2.2 ROMs that depend on components - e.g. kernel, gsm/umts stuff etc. - extracted from the early beta, which makes them beta too).
So no fair comparison is possible at this moment.
I have to add that the motorola usb networking driver is rock solid on 2.2 unlike the one from 2.1 that hangs under heavy network traffic.
This is impacts the reliability of USB tethering.
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No Milestone camera application supports widescreen.
The stock Motorola Camera has only a crop mode that strips the top and bottom parts of the picture (lowering its resolution) that is called "widescreen"...
Also, there's no 2.2 for Milestone yet, there is only an early 2.2 beta firmware available (and there are also 2.2 ROMs that depend on components - e.g. kernel, gsm/umts stuff etc. - extracted from the early beta, which makes them beta too).
So no fair comparison is possible at this moment.
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It may be crop, but it still look nice.
Yeah, still waiting for the release of Q4 for EU..
hi i'm not an expert excuse me if the question seems silly:
i own a google nexus one. i've seen a lot of kernels around and i was wondering what is their purpose. besides i wanted to know if the roms (cyano, stock deodexed rom and so on...) come with their own kernel or if it has to be installed separately. in this case how do i know which my stock kernel was?
Think of Kernels as mini ROMs, they are addons that you can install to the System Partition. Common addons are Undervolting (less power consumption), overclocking, and enabling 720p video recording. So yeah, they're like ROM addons. Some even speed up the phone and fix lag and coloration issues, but thats mainly for the Galaxy S line.
an example is the battery driver edits we did to the nexus one. if you want to change how the phone works with the hardware, changes had to be made to the driver, and re-compiled, then install that kernel to the phone.
so all the devs have all sorts of ideas and things they want to change to drivers and cpu voltages and whatnot to get better performance and stuff. so each kernel has different edits like that battery one. and people like to try out different ones to see which works the best. that's the idea.
ok tnz a lot for the explanation
First of all, Sorry! I know this question was asked like billion times over and over, and the amount of opinions is equal to the amount of the people who comment, but still.
Currently I'm running stock deodexed XXJVO ROM with CF-Root kernel.
The phone never was stable 100%, but the last days are horrible. Waze stuck (need hard reboot), phone turns off at night (=I dont have alarm clock = I late to work), it FCs and/or reboots randomly.
Now I want to get clear about the ROMs. There are 2 kind of them:
1. ROMs based on stock Samsung roms
2. ROMs based on Googles roms (like miui and CM)
Am I right?
Right now I don't have time nor the interest to play with really custom roms (miui/cm) since I'm not sure how stable they are (am I wrong about their stability?).
I just need phone that calls, surfs the web, sends sms, take photos, records videos and allows me to use GPS for navigation while I drive. For this reason I prefer to go with the roms based on stock Samsung roms (again correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe roms like MIUI/CM are stable enough for day-day use without flashing and reflashing the nightly every few days).
I need suggestion for either full ROM or combination of ROM and Kernel that will unleash the full potential of my phone with the minimum lags/FCs/reboots/etc.
From fast reading here I understood that Semaphore kernel is good enough (of course any other suggestions are welcomed). What do you think about combining it with stock deodexed ROM? Or maybe you have other more preferable ROMS (I don't have any preference to specific rom, however there are some things I can't live without and they are: a) NON increasing ringtone b) preferably root c) Ability to theme the phone, All other fixes/tweaks are optional and are in state of "nice to have").
Thanks a lot for reading this long posts, understand me and helping!
Have a good day and an awesome weekend!
I think you should try stock jvu and latest Semaphore kernel.
And convert to ext4.
That's fast enough.
BTW MIUI and CM7 are very fast and stable.
**tapatalked with galaxy s on CNA and Glitch kernel**
Flash mint berry miui, it's fast and will fit your requirements
Thanks for the replies!
dark_knight35
Stock JVU you mean stock, or stock and deodexed?
Should I bother and try MIUI/CM? (As I understood there is also ICS ROMs, what are those?)
hassaan123
Thanks, Ill consider this. Tough I'm a bit afraid about MIUI/CM since those are different ROMs.
More comments are welcomed!
Team ICSSGS RC4.2 the best for we till now
i wouldnt prefer miui/cm for gps. i used mintberry for 2 months but after the first weeks of pure stabilty it began to random reboot more than twice a day. reflash, new version everytime the same.
the ram management was also horrible in my eyes. i dont really like the cm kernels. they are updated too fast and it seems that they are never really stable for some reason. my battery life was horrible on miui. also annoying is that you always has to clear your memory manually before you want to play a game which isnt even in 3D. plus 720p is always choppy because they want to use more ram which is taken from the reserved memory for video recording. ah the compass isnt working too sometimes... depends on kernel but i didnt find a kernel which works
i am back on darky 10.4.2 with semaphore kernel. darkcore is also very good kernel with good stabilty and battery but i dont use it because i need voodoo color for my display...
especially for you skwo i would prefer the base versions from darky. they are kinda pure samsung with some tweaks and then you can try the dark core which is brought with and if you dont like it switch to semaphore. the standart theme is also very decent and if you dont like you can still customize your phone with the ota app such as things like camera hack (that annoying under 10% thingy that doesnt let you use your cam) or the exteneded toggepanel.
i understand good what you want. i mean its really cool to have such a great community which is working on so much roms but they are too heavy customized sometimes. everything seems so overloaded and the most skins doesnt fit with they own colors they use. i mean there are so much ics themed roms but with 15 different blue tones, that doesnt look "professional" and make android look like a bad designed mess
Kodon
Thanks a lot for this helpful reply!
I heard the same about MIUI/CM/ICS ROMs, that they lack 720p video recording (which is sort of important to me), and how some issues with GPS, and not stable enough.
Yea I tried darky once, didn't like it. I consider trying it again (with maybe different kernel).
The theme is not that important to me, I just put some AOSP theme that adds the battery percentage indicator. I used to play with the phone few months ago (was a ROM hopper and liked to customize it), these days I'm too busy for all this and just need a smart-phone that works.
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Thanks for the replies!
dark_knight35
Stock JVU you mean stock, or stock and deodexed?
Should I bother and try MIUI/CM? (As I understood there is also ICS ROMs, what are those?)
hassaan123
Thanks, Ill consider this. Tough I'm a bit afraid about MIUI/CM since those are different ROMs.
More comments are welcomed!
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You can try Faryaab's jvu (deodexed&rooted). It's hear in general section.
I think a jvu/cm9/miui rom is better for you than ics, coz they are bit buggy.
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CM7 battery life is not good and call is not stable like rock.
MIUI battery life is better than CM7 but is not good. Call is rock
MIUI / CM7 video recording 720P is sucks. (temp fix = Change bit rate to 1000000)
ICS video playback is bad and some apps will not work or FC. (still on development)
Stock battery is good / call is stable / video playback and 720 recoding is good / but speed is low.
There is not a BEST ROM for all things.
If u can be happy with low speed stocks are awesome.
Best way: Try one to one all ROMs and choose the best for self needs.
Vogie said:
CM7 battery life is not good and call is not stable like rock.
MIUI battery life is better than CM7 but is not good. Call is rock
MIUI / CM7 video recording 720P is sucks. (temp fix = Change bit rate to 1000000)
ICS video playback is bad and some apps will not work or FC. (still on development)
Stock battery is good / call is stable / video playback and 720 recoding is good / but speed is low.
There is not a BEST ROM for all things.
If u can be happy with low speed stocks are awesome.
Best way: Try one to one all ROMs and choose the best for self needs.
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if you try every rom for sgs you are busy for the next 2 years. the most roms are in the first week very good till every app fills their cache and the partition is getting fragmented. the only method in my eyes to see if a rom is good is to use it for 3-4 weeks. even the battery does need 2-3 loading cycles which can take 4-5 days if the battery use is good and you want to see how it works when its recalibrated after flash.
especially we galaxy s users need to see others opinion in a thread like that. you really cant go through every thread and search for feedback between the whole bug reports and advices for bootloops
I can't decide between stock XXJVU (also not sure if I want the deodexed one) or DarkyRom or some other simple ROM that based on JVU (like SauroM). Any suggestions?
Go for stock jvu, odexed, add andip's theme, remove bloatware, use go launcher with ics theme, semaphore kernel 2.5.0 with ext4
Doesn't get any better than this
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Thanks a lot! Going to flash
Why so many post ?
Try MIUI (mintberry is very good) and revert to stock rom if you aren't happy.
MIUI has a lot of new things : it's not only the launcher and themes; Miui based on Ginger is stable. I try regulary to return to stock rom and every time I reflash an MIUI, too many things are missing on stock roms or CM7 !
Hi. Can anybody who flashes regularly give me a brief comparison of the current versions of dmod, benzrom and enox? Pros cons etc.
Is this kind of topic allowed? They all contain init.d and build prop tweaks etc, I want to know about smoothness, ram, bugs, user opinions etc.
Any brief summaries are welcome and of course if somebody wants to give me a long read I'd be happy to and discuss
P.S. Keep it cool, clean and fair?
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all of them are buggy ****, ****ty (not even working) unoptimized init.d causing problems, deodexed ****holes driving down the performance noticeably. battery life is ****ing horrible exept enox revenge, but enox also contains problems in non working widgets etc. (hope v5.0 is usable).
benz => ****ing ****ty bull**** ugly interface buggy options etc
dmod=> ****ty nonworking init.d, ugly interface, battery drainage by failed debloat
enox => its decent but nonworking widgets, failed debloating, slowed down cuz deodex, and fail init.d, this is the only rom having potential to develop to best rom, and better than rooted stock etc
rooted stock is the god tier option until theres fully working CM / PAC / AOSP ? or one of the roms gets really better (benz, enox, dmod).
peace. just the facts.
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all of them are buggy ****, ****ty (not even working) unoptimized init.d causing problems, deodexed ****holes driving down the performance noticeably. battery life is ****ing horrible exept enox revenge, but enox also contains problems in non working widgets etc. (hope v5.0 is usable).
benz => ****ing ****ty bull**** ugly interface buggy options etc
dmod=> ****ty nonworking init.d, ugly interface, battery drainage by failed debloat
enox => its decent but nonworking widgets, failed debloating, slowed down cuz deodex, and fail init.d, this is the only rom having potential to develop to best rom, and better than rooted stock etc
rooted stock is the god tier option until theres fully working CM / PAC / AOSP ? or one of the roms gets really better (benz, enox, dmod).
peace. just the facts.
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actually dmod is one of best roms here , i'm using it and everything works , init.d also working , and where you seen "ugly interface"? i found it excellent and is same interface like standard stock ( almost ) use a launcher and you will get off ( nova launcher prime ) , and about battery it keeps me up 3 days even with wifi on use a prompt apps to set your phone ( du battery saver - set it to airplane mode during night so you can save some battery ) otherwise everything is excelent and is moving fast ,flawless not even freezes .
Well I wanted to keep it clean but I enjoyed the responses so far (om a natural pessimist) and you're roughly both correct. Deodex degrades overall performance and the debloats are mostly failed (always re-debloat them myself after installation), init.d tweaks have caused me problems.. Although I don't mind the user interfaces I am starting to think rooted stock is the best option unless somebody makes a real barebones option...
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BenzROM lots of useful features however i find that some are more than what I need
DmonROM nice look and feel, just a bit of a heavy ROM not suited to my requirements
enoxROM nice look and feel, could do with a few more tweaks and features
barebones ROM is what i was aiming for with my FaustROM, which ended up being a bit of a fail so have not done any additional work on it
instead have done a mod/port of the enox ROM which I have used some of the apks but used most of the other stuff from my original FaustROM
i get decent battery time, decent performance playing games like FF6 and Iron Man 3 without any lag