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How long is nebenezer banned?

I have bail money
I am not trying to start anything, I just want to know. He is the OP of a pretty significant theme aggregate thread I would like to know when we can expect him back to continue to update the catalog or if we are going to need to do it all over again.
I hope it is the former. I'm pleeding for his life, judge! Don't take my boy!

lol Why did he get banned?

Here comes the drama..
And OP, I'm not sure.

threadrape, though i believe its a political smear campaign. he knows NO means NO but some have convincing false evidence. if the sig don't fit you must acquit.

Hopefully not for too long. Even if you don't agree with how he's handled the whole fixxxer situation, he's funny and contributes a lot.
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what?!! Horrible news! WE LOVE YOU NEB!! The mods have been going gnarly lately. I'm not liking it. I kinda like our free-for-all method that we had before they organized our subforum. The grass is always greener....

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The mods have been going gnarly lately.
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Which why I would recommend taking it easy and make sure threads like this don't get out of control.

I think they let the power go to their heads....................

Yes, the miss have totally letter power get to their heads and they can't categorize worth a **** either so yeah... that's why I have decided to stop contributing ideas that everyone can take credit for and leave me in the dust. I'll still post, but bot with innovative ideas.
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I am not trying to start drama, not trying to criticize decisions. Just respectfully asking for one piece of information. Not that I am entitled. Just askin'
(did I cover all of my bases)
OH and I am not responsible if your phone is bricked.

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I am not trying to start drama, not trying to criticize decisions. Just respectfully asking for one piece of information. Not that I am entitled. Just askin'
(did I cover all of my bases)
OH and I am not responsible if your phone is bricked.
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My guess us 3 day. That's what tejas, kcarpenter and I were threatened with. And I followed the instructions you posted in the op about removing the battery and I think you caused my phone to be bricked. I deem you responsible
Edit got my phone working you had failed to provide instructions on reinserting the battery

my two cents on everything is simple.
before we got the first port of 2.1-dec 09, thanks to flipz. there was NO DRAMA. it was all development.
i know i joined in january but i watched everyone and everything. there were never any developers leaving because someone posted warez, or people pointing fingers at someone. or even someone degrading mods.
mods are mods for a reason. they use their power to keep pointless **** from starting up. this thread needs to close. XDA is for development/help of phones. not to degrade people. we are on the internet. we dont know eachother personally. which is how it needs to be.
so please keep these issues to a minimal. we finally get our own general and dev threads and its being shot to hell.
as for the op's questions. alot of the bans are a week to a month. there was obviously a reason. its no ones business except neb and the mods.
no offense to anyone. i just want issues to be DROPPED and lets continue to help and develop.

Its a real shame to see a great forum ruined by censorship. I belong to several dozen forums covering things from pc components, to video games, car forums to home improvement and on and on and never have I seen a forum so poorly handled. You let people openly admit to criminal activity and actually encourage it, while on the other hand, you ban people for standing up to them and calling them out. You play favorites by banning people you don't like and letting your "pals" do what they want. Worst of all, now you delete threads for no legitimate reason other than not liking it or not agreeing with it. This forum wasn't great before the "organization", but now its turning into something even worse. Maybe you guys are having a bad day, I don't know, but I hope you get your act together and go back to doing what your supposed to do, that is moderate, not police and censor.
Have a good night and thanks to the devs and their hard work................

its all good

Oh look, bans are worthless here too. Mods aren't even smart enough to find the forum plugin to block an ip address. This place is truly depressing, and I will take the time now to personally thank flips for ****ing the community that this place once was. All because he had a burr up his ass one day.
That's my five bucks worth. Screw two cents.
Also. How much you wanna bet that fixers new id doesn't get banned? Childish **** right there, make a new account after you lost your first one due to stupidity.
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And to re post what fixer wrote before he edited his post right above my previous one, he said his account got banned too so its all good, it was worth it in the end.
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EDIT: Nevermind, I don't think I want to know or be part of whatever this bs is....obviously i'm not up to speed and I think I would rather stay that way.
What Does flipz have to do with this?
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Oh look, bans are worthless here too. Mods aren't even smart enough to find the forum plugin to block an ip address. This place is truly depressing, and I will take the time now to personally thank flips for ****ing the community that this place once was. All because he had a burr up his ass one day.
That's my five bucks worth. Screw two cents.
Also. How much you wanna bet that fixers new id doesn't get banned? Childish **** right there, make a new account after you lost your first one due to stupidity.
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The baby mama drama didn't get so extreme till his actions a month or so ago when he leaked a file that was supposed to be held private at the time. Do some research.
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Oh look, bans are worthless here too. Mods aren't even smart enough to find the forum plugin to block an ip address. This place is truly depressing, a
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hahaha i like the "OO" instead of "00"
nice

Didn't realize he was the one who leaked it.....Thanks for the harsh reply to a honest question.
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The baby mama drama didn't get so extreme till his actions a month or so ago when he leaked a file that was supposed to be held private at the time. Do some research.
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[Q] Me and my girl had a fight

So we had another fight about me spending too much time playing with and talking about android and phones. As long as cellphones don't come up in conversation we were the happiest couple in the world. But I finally broke up with her because I couldn't even think about android without her getting mad at me. And I figured I would just find a girl that shared my interest. But I just realized that there are ZERO females(at least in the state of alabama) that even know what android is. Should I quit looking now? Does anyone have any advice to find them(if they exist that is)?

I lol'ed so hard.

if this isnt a troll , ur a noob for not being able to control urself not to talk about ur fone

sounded like my wife ...picking a fight because too much time on xda and phones.... Well, you can move from your state

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if this isnt a troll , ur a noob for not being able to control urself not to talk about ur fone
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Sorry you think I'm a noob, but I can control myself enough to not talk about it, but WHY should I? I'm going to look for a girl with common interest, and if I don't find anyone I will suppress my techie talk. But until I know that she doesn't exist, why would I change the kind of woman I would like to date?
So next time your off just supermanning hoes think about what a relationship should be about.
This is what I get for asking for girl advice on xda

LMAOO! If your serious, I really think you messed up BIG time! Call her now, apologize, and get off of XDA.

sorry to hear it bro. my wife also gets pissy when im on modding/hacking forums too much, but she'll get used to it eventually
I somewhat agree with Original Android.... if you usually get along, apologize and try to consider some of her interests. some people just dont get our devotion(addiction) to such things
as far as quitting XDA..... bad idea. maybe just set a specific time for this great site.
its all about compromise homey..... i hate you for making me think serious!! j/k

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sounded like my wife ...picking a fight because too much time on xda and phones.... Well, you can move from your state
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orb3000 said:
Had a fight here too for this very same reason...
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Well my friend, it's time to negotiate . I did this with my wife, I agreed with her that I will spend some hours a week to be on the web and xda of course (while she's around). So both of us are happy since I comply with the terms when she's around ....but she's not always around you know.

Yes, time is not equal my girl says...
Anyway we should re negotiate a new way if possible

She's the one, I'm pretty sure of it
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LMAOO! If your serious, I really think you messed up BIG time! Call her now, apologize, and get off of XDA.
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Ok first off, hope you are LOVING highschool and football still. And yes I messed up big time, she's truely a wonderful person. But I didn't have to call her, she called me and we came to a compromise. She said if I would buy her that "nexus thingy" and actually "teach" her what I was talking about, she thinks she would really enjoy learning about it. And in my mind it wasn't a compromise, I got exactly what I wanted..... oh wait I just spent $500 on an N1

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Ok first off, hope you are LOVING highschool and football still. And yes I messed up big time, she's truely a wonderful person. But I didn't have to call her, she called me and we came to a compromise. She said if I would buy her that "nexus thingy" and actually "teach" her what I was talking about, she thinks she would really enjoy learning about it. And in my mind it wasn't a compromise, I got exactly what I wanted..... oh wait I just spent $500 on an N1
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I'm going to be frank. Return that N1. The relationship is now headed in the wrong direction for the wrong reasons.
In your future relationships, if you're with your girl, be with your girl. Learn to compromise. Your partner's reaction to the particular behavior (i.e., dealing/talking Android) is ultimately just a natural reaction towards the frequency in which you exhibited it (i.e., excessively). Imagine if your partner asked you to accompany them to go shopping every day of the week for at least 3 hours each day. While you guys are shopping, she'll talk to you about every brand, and fashion, etc. Should she leave you because you aren't interested in her interests?
Your Android fetish is a hobby. There are more important things in life that you should be paying attention to. I'm not saying this girl is -the- one you'll be with for the rest of your life, but things like growing and improving social skills should take greater precedence than learning and keeping what's up with the latest and greatest on Cyanogen mods.
Take my advice for what it's worth to you. Just remember, at the end of the day, it's just a phone.

Im not returning the N1. I shouldn't have ever posted this thread. I know exactly what important things are in my life(what exactly did you even mean by that??). I'm going to stop this now because people don't and can't know every detail about our relationship and it is now being misinterpreted.
And it's not about roms or tweaks it's about the future of technology, which I think everyone can agree is rather important

well this is funny... you are trying to find a girlfriend on XDA ?

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well this is funny... you are trying to find a girlfriend on XDA ?
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LOL, I lol'd big time.
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LOL, I lol'd big time.
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So did I mate ! The OP should go to some dating fora or something why on XDA ! LOL !

fk, i had something like this too once, since then i didnt talk about phones that much anymore xD..
well but she knows now that this is like a hobby for me, and its not that bad when i talk about it from time to time...
hell we are techjunkies, but even we need to hold back with our tech **** when talking to a girl xD
(i knew that before, but, for example, i couldnt live with it, if my gf would buy an iphone.................XD)

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Im not returning the N1. I shouldn't have ever posted this thread. I know exactly what important things are in my life(what exactly did you even mean by that??). I'm going to stop this now because people don't and can't know every detail about our relationship and it is now being misinterpreted.
And it's not about roms or tweaks it's about the future of technology, which I think everyone can agree is rather important
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You telling me that it's not about ROM or tweaks and that it is actually about the future of technology is really a bad attempt at justifying your hobby. This is even illustrated by the following clause when you feel the need to garner further support of your hobby by amassing the opinions of your fellow XDA members.
But nevermind that, good luck with the relationship. I do hope that things work out in the end.

daamn!!!
I usually dont talk about phones when Im with my girl... hell I've even visited xda less, since Im in a normal relations (not those in which I have to be responsible for everyf**king thing.. - had one of those about a year and a half ago)
anyways - just find something to talk about that is interesting for both of you + keeps your mind off the phones...
or if you can't you can get yourself off the xda, or you can always ask someone to ban you.. just kidding

so basically she had the bravery to say : $500 fone or no sammiches
and ur happy about it

Someone who CC's your boss on every e-mail

There’s this guy at work and nearly every time he e-mails me, he CC’s my supervisor.
It’s really annoying because that leads to my supervisor getting involved in things that really are none of his concern.
My supervisor is already a micromanager and very reactionary (always assumes that if he's being asked about something that someone's not doing their job)
Also the guy who's doing this is one of those people who loves to get involved in other people's projects and pretend to be a part of them, so that leads to people going to him for status updates instead of me.
Any advice on getting him to stop in a diplomatic way without it pissing them off or putting him in a position to want to "step it up" and get back at me?

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There’s this guy at work and nearly every time he e-mails me, he CC’s my supervisor.
It’s really annoying because that leads to my supervisor getting involved in things that really are none of his concern.
My supervisor is already a micromanager and very reactionary (always assumes that if he's being asked about something that someone's not doing their job)
Also the guy who's doing this is one of those people who loves to get involved in other people's projects and pretend to be a part of them, so that leads to people going to him for status updates instead of me.
Any advice on getting him to stop in a diplomatic way without it pissing them off or putting him in a position to want to "step it up" and get back at me?
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Send him an e-mail that'll be very embarassing to CC all over the place.
Actually, these kind of people are quite dangerous, because they like to keep their backs covered. So be careful.
One thing I'd like to find out is, ultimately, what is the gripe? Is the CC annoying you, or the CC annoying your boss and then your boss annoys you? Finding out the root cause of a problem instead of treating the symptoms will be way better.

FIght him like a man, next to the water cooler

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FIght him like a man, next to the water cooler
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Psh... real men fight with keyboards. May the man with the heaviest (1982-circa clickety keyboard) wins!

Spill coffee in his workstation so his computer dies a slow smoking death. Then take everything in his cube and freeze it in jello. Then put pictures of a small penis in the womens restrooms with his name all over it.

pm me his and your boss email, ill email him gayporn and cc your boss

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Spill coffee in his workstation so his computer dies a slow smoking death. Then take everything in his cube and freeze it in jello. Then put pictures of a small penis in the womens restrooms with his name all over it.
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Y'know... I'd pay good money (ok, at least a buck or two) to see that.
Seriously, the dude's a loser and a trouble maker (as has been said up-thread). My advice would be to either completely cut him out of the process (death by starvation) or go further up the chain of command with materials and documentation and complain (death from above). Remember, there comes a point where the job isn't worth the hassle and frustration.

I had similar problem.
My boss is female. My colleague is male and trying to make his mark. I have one day every week when I work from a different office. He waits till I'm not around to ***** about me with her. I am more senior and better at the job. Even though she trusts me implicitly, it still annoys me that the guy is behaving like a little prick. He asks to have days off in the most busy times and only asks her when I'm not around; as if I would say no! I can cope with the work on my own and nobody asks him for anything if I'm around.
When he's done the *****ing thing 3 times I've blown my top with the two of them, collected some reports on all the works I've done and threatened to leave. They would/could not get anyone cheaper and with the same level of knowledge and control. The emails stopped and now, as long as he does not mess the work too much, I cannot care less what he does. I do my work and **** a snoot at the rest.
Cheers!

Unplug all the fans but a couple from his PC so it dies a slow painful death

He is probably a sociopath. These people are all around us. They're completely functional and often successful. They're not psychopaths, they won't start killing people. But they have no regard for the feelings and troubles of others. They will lie, cheat, manipulate their way to the top by any means necessary. Thats who you're probably dealing with. (There was this GREAT article by a big name psychiatrist on workspace sociopaths on reddit a while back but I can't find it, sorry)
Now, I've learned through experience that these people exploit the **** out of "diplomacy". They take advantage of the fact that you don't want to make a big thing out of this, they KNOW you wan't to keep a low profile and they exploit that weakness to bully you. Dealing with bullies is easy. Just walk up to him and tell him to stop. Flat out, plain and simple stop. Let him know crystal clear that you know what he's doing and you want him to stop. No diplomacy.
You could also fight fire with fire.
This will have repercussions ofcourse. It might mean going into a stupid office politics "war" with the guy. So think about it and choose whats right for your particular situation. But keep in mind that these abuses tend to increase and it will get to a point that it will make your worklife miserable. Its best to deal with it early and make the ****er know that it will cost him to **** with you and he better go find someone else.
OR I could be wrong and the guy is just advocating for transparency in the company (Doubt it. He only CCs your boss, not others.)

I say find him after work and beat his ass. Then pretend nothing happened when you are at work.

Definitely an option. But be very careful cause its really ****ing illegal >_>

With personal experience the proper way to handle hostile problems is to report it to management and human resources. But keep in mind that you also have to work with these people to so cool down before you say something that makes you look like the ass.
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My boss always CC's his goddamn boss when he emails me. Grinds my gears
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one and only real(and legal) solution , invite to gay clubs too just to "hang out"
also , do it while pretending to be a colleague sending from home address , keep doing till he stops

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This made my weekend.
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I know these types of people all too well. Having dealt with some myself. these people are not top be trusted, they can't wait to pull the rug right under your feet. They want to get ahead by making you look bad. My advice to you is to speak with him directly and ask him why he is doing it and tell him it makes you feel uncomfortable. As he can't be trusted he may have moved to bcc your boss instead, so you should voiced your concern with your boss as well. You must cover your ass at all times with this guy. So document anything important concerning him and always answer his emails as if your boss may be in bcc and don't take any **** attempt from him to make you look bad especially via email and answer him to set the record straight, r this is party of documenting.
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A dark alley. A late night event. A mindless ass-kicking.
It could be fun.

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A dark alley. A late night event.
It could be fun.
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See? Thats what happens when a passive agressive sociopath makes the big mistake of ****ing with a psychopath.

PSN Down "What are your thoughts?"

So by now we all now that PSN is down and im more than sure we have lots of gamers here on XDA, so my question to you is what are your personal thoughts on what happened? to be quite honest Im quite amazed at how slow the response time for Sony to realized that they were "hacked" and were pretty fast to pointing fingers at the hacker group Anon. I come from a background of conspiracy theories, reading alot about crap that might have happened might have not ya dig? so today i was reading that the dept of homeland security will be conducting an investigation too. i find that very crazy, I mean what if this is another attack at our human rights ie. patriot act and whatsoever things have gotten so tight that we cant talk about certain things or big brother will bust a cap on our ass lol...but yeah what if all this evolves into some sort of Internet something act, where by law we have to accept to some terms and conditions to the Law in order to use the net? but anyways hope to hear from you guys!

Black ops......... I'm dieing.
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its ridiculous that a company like sony can BE hacked. but i dont really care. not *****in that much, just let down i cant play any games with my friends when we had off school, no big deal. itll come back soon enough and probably be even better (fingers crossed)

This happening to Sony is like getting hit in the face with a damn nuke. You didn't know it was coming.

I feel pissed at both Sony and the "hackers". Sony should have had better security in place, and the hackers now have my information probably in retaliation for Mr. EgoHot

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So by now we all now that PSN is down and im more than sure we have lots of gamers here on XDA, so my question to you is what are your personal thoughts on what happened? to be quite honest Im quite amazed at how slow the response time for Sony to realized that they were "hacked" and were pretty fast to pointing fingers at the hacker group Anon. I come from a background of conspiracy theories, reading alot about crap that might have happened might have not ya dig? so today i was reading that the dept of homeland security will be conducting an investigation too. i find that very crazy, I mean what if this is another attack at our human rights ie. patriot act and whatsoever things have gotten so tight that we cant talk about certain things or big brother will bust a cap on our ass lol...but yeah what if all this evolves into some sort of Internet something act, where by law we have to accept to some terms and conditions to the Law in order to use the net? but anyways hope to hear from you guys!
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I personally think they deserve this, just to show them not to store plaintext passwords in a database... That should be a salted hash, and the field should have DSA encryption...
Same for their entire database tbh, but unsalted and unhashed passwords are a complete no-no since like 1995
I think this is more a case of Sony's negligence here than anything else. Had their DB been secured to prevent external access properly, and had their tables used proper encryption, then this wouldn't likely be nearly so bad

I am sorry for all the playstation owners out there, they didn't do anything to have their online taken away, but I for one am happy that I can still hop on Live whenever I want this weekend.

On topic... Sony just emailed me, afaik theyre telling me my info has all been stolen, name adress etc but they cant confirm credit details have
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On topic... Sony just emailed me, afaik theyre telling me my info has all been stolen, name adress etc but they cant confirm credit details have
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somethings telling me theyre lying about the attack and apparently just sold the infos

I still would want to side with PSN, but only because I refuse to pay an amount to play anything online...

Flash mob robbery!!!

Just wanted to make sure everyone here is up to date on flash mob robberies, they are halarious, if you dont know about them yet check out you-tube and watch a few videos.
Basicaly the idea of a flash mob has turned from random bits of dance and entertainment to 50-100 people simotaniusley robbing/looting random corner stores and gas stations. I do not condone these acts (while I do think the videos are entertaining) and thought others may like to share opinions on this, so what do you guys think? I say its not long before a store owner pulls a weapon on these fools and we see mass casualties in a 7-11, how else are they gonna defend themselves against such a thing?
Is this happening in other counties or is this more of a U.S. based thing as of yet?
Please share which vidoes you find the most entertaining!!!!
(video for those unfamiliar)

I don't find anything remotely funny about small business owners being robbed by gangs of morons who deserve nothing more than being put against a wall and shot, one after the other, in the knee-caps.
I hope somebody does exactly that. On camera. Perhaps THEN i will laugh.

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I don't find anything remotely funny about small business owners being robbed by gangs of morons who deserve nothing more than being put against a wall and shot, one after the other, in the knee-caps.
I hope somebody does exactly that. On camera. Perhaps THEN i will laugh.
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Sorry I still see the entertainment value in these videos (big fan of worlds dumbest lol). However I believe we are on the same page, that the next progression is going to be a store owner shooting at these groups of wild teens looting there store, untill than whats stopping them? The thought process must be "they cant catch all of us" I guess, but im not sure why nobodys wearing masks, idiots must not understand that there are cameras almost everywhere. Imagine if you were a cop and were first on scene to one of these calls best bet might be to baragade your cruiser against the door and lock them all in untill backup arrives, however that locks the loanly clerk and any possible legit patrons inside as posible hostages. Could you imagine going in to pay for gas or buy some smokes and 50+ kids run in and start looting the place!

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Yeah. Great, some store owner shoots one and the rest beat him to death...
That's entertainment alright..........
As someone who very regularly has to deal with the kind of moron who thinks its acceptable to steal from and threaten those who work in customer service I do not find this remotely funny.
I see, all too often just how badly the people that do these jobs can be affected by even a minor incident and something such as this could have serious repercussions on the life of a completely innocent person who is not insured against any loss or injury and will receive nothing in compensation should they find themselves unable to work afterwards.
By simply reposting these videos you are glorifying these acts and only inciting more of this kind of action by the type of mindless cretins who make life difficult for those of us who work hard to earn a living.

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By simply reposting these videos you are glorifying these acts and only inciting more of this kind of action by the type of mindless cretins who make life difficult for those of us who work hard to earn a living.
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Meh... understood. I did actually find myslef wondering why such videos remain on youtube, thinking along the same lines that actually seeing such a video would only insight further flash mob robberies sparking the mind of wasted youth. However that is enough self reflection into myself and will be reserved for another day when I feel more like looking back onto things I may or may not have done, that may or may not have been the "best choices"
I started this thread in thoughts of conversation and nothing more, please do not mistake this as approval to such acts

Yeah point taken, its probably not fair to blame you personally so sorry about that.
Just annoys me that's all
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Yeah point taken, its probably not fair to blame you personally so sorry about that.
Just annoys me that's all
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No worries

It's OK, you did call them fools after all, and you do raise the point that it won't be long before it turns really ugly, i.e, loss of life ugly. Had anybody thought you were glorifying the acts the thread would be closed by now!
As CTM said, these things can only go south. The robbers come with knives, so owners buy guns and before long the robbers have guns. It's exactly what's happened in the USA, and as much as the gun advocates, i.e NRA members, defend their position.. it's completely illogical. The argument is cyclical. You defend your home with a BB Bat, robbers bring knives. You buy a knife, robbers bring guns. You buy a gun and before long your kid has accidentally shot himself to death.
The arguments go back and forth while the only clear and logical answer is to smelt every single fkin gun in existence. Fortunately it's the one thing the UK government here at home has gotten right.
The only guns should belong to the Army and Specialist Police forces. Beyond that, they shouldn't even be made. The only reason these cocky little ****es think they can get away with robbing innocent people is because most people are too sensible to start an arms race where nobody wins. And most people are too decent to shoot somebody, even when they themselves are being robbed.
Personally, i have no such reservations. I would kill each and every one of the bastards given the chance. Which is exactly why we have gun control here!

^^^lol, a bb bat excellent makeshift weapon
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^^^lol, a bb bat excellent makeshift weapon
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I would swing like Babe Ruth if i thought a direct hit would save the life of someone i loved!
Tony Martin was jailed because we don't have the 'Castle doctrine' in this country. The biggest mistake he made wasn't to open fire on the assholes who tried to rob him. It was missing, and then not burying the bodies that messed up his life!
Like i said, it's a good thing that the law doesn't agree with me!

DirkGently said:
I would swing like Babe Ruth if i thought a direct hit would save the life of someone i loved!
Tony Martin was jailed because we don't have the 'Castle doctrine' in this country. The biggest mistake he made wasn't to open fire on the assholes who tried to rob him. It was missing, and then not burying the bodies that messed up his life!
Like i said, it's a good thing that the law doesn't agree with me!
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And what is this 'Castle doctrine' ?

Tomdg07 said:
And what is this 'Castle doctrine' ?
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It's the law that you have in the US that say's you have the right to protect yourself in your own home, against those that would trespass or do harm against you on your property.
Somebody breaks into your home and you shoot them? Their fault!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine
Sadly even this can lead to f**k ups of epic proportions. Take for instance new US laws that allow for entry to a property by law enforcement without the need for a warrant, or for announcing "Police..come out with your hands up..."
Tragically, a recent case highlighted the flaws in this. Police went to an ex-Marines house, on false evidence that he was supplying drugs. Rather than knock on the door they tried to break it down. He thought that his home was being invaded, so to protect his family to picked up his rifle and opened fire on the 'intruders'. He was shot forty times.
What would you have done?
If neither he, or the police were packing guns, everyone would have lived!

DirkGently said:
It's the law that you have in the US that say's you have the right to protect yourself in your own home, against those that would trespass or do harm against you on your property.
Somebody breaks into your home and you shoot them? Their fault!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine
Sadly even this can lead to f**k ups of epic proportions. Take for instance new US laws that allow for entry to a property by law enforcement without the need for a warrant, or for announcing "Police..come out with your hands up..."
Tragically, a recent case highlighted the flaws in this. Police went to an ex-Marines house, on false evidence that he was supplying drugs. Rather than knock on the door they tried to break it down. He thought that his home was being invaded, so to protect his family to picked up his rifle and opened fire on the 'intruders'. He was shot forty times.
What would you have done?
If neither he, or the police were packing guns, everyone would have lived!
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That's what I thought you were referring to, and yes it is an epic fail, no matter how "justified" you are I doubt it's ever worth it. I have a friend who shot and killed an intruder, no charges ever filled however I know he well never be the same. Partially in a good way as his life wasn't always on the up and up and has since in ways changed for the better for both him and his family, but we'll never be the same.
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These videos and the acts portrayed within are just terrible. I for one believe we need more small "mom and pop" stores, not less. Acts like these can very well cause someone innocent to be hurt (the morons doing these things NEED to be hurt....but I digress....) and drive these small stores out of business. Terrible, just terrible.
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It makes me sad to see this kind of stuff happen in the states... I can barely believe it!
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1) flash mobbers deserve whatever a store owner it's willing to give out.
2) I stand firmly in support of castle doctrine ... come into my house when
I'm not expecting you, and we'll see how it works.
My 2¢,
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