I have had my nook for a little while now, and I went like the normal people from nooter to custom roms (I skipped the sd boot). Now I am thinking of going to boot from sd instead of emmc, for the simple fact that there is no timeline for the read to me on the app platform (I think it works on ipad, iphone but don't quote me). And I really enjoy the device I am actually glad that the CM7 is in it final state because this came more like my Windows mobile waiting for new version days. But the read to me feature is excellent it helps me with encouraging my 4yr old to read instead of play "that bird game". Is it hard to backup all my emmc settings and transfer to sd? I know I have to do some research on how to get my device back nootered, and have the sd boot available. But I think that will be my best route for the moment. Any suggestions or comments would be greatly appreciated.
Ok so I have my Nook Color and I have my shiney new class 4 sd card.
I have managed to install Honeycomb on said SD card. I even manged to get ADB setup and installed the marketplace and what not.
What I do not have is left over space on the card. I did use the image from this link:
***.addictivetips.com/mobile/install-android-3-0-honeycomb-and-market-on-nook-color/
[EDIT: Nice spam filter. Try this.]
Since the image is 4GB in size, I was under the impression I would have roughly 12GB free on my SD card. I do not. If I go to Settings > Storage it shows the SD card as having a total size of 1.25GB and 1.14GB free. It also shows the internal storage as having a total size of 656MB and 555MB free space.
Ok I could have sworn the EMMC (or internal storage) was 5GB and add in my 16GB of SD should give me 21GB of space +/- space of the OS and apps.
So where the frell is my 12GB of space at?
Also when I plug the nook into my PC running Windows 7 64-Bit I get 3 removable drives that are greyed out and unusable. Loverly. The heck? At the very least the internal EMMC should be showing up.
Notes:
Yes I did install the USB driver
From what I understand this version of HC is not rooted but like your intro video says, I am a newb so what the frell do I know?
What I want:
To be able to plug my NC into the PC and have access to the EMMC (where a lot of my files are now) and access to remaining 12GB or so of space on the NC itself.
History of me and the NC:
I have previously installed CM7 on a different SD card and it was alright. I didn't like it because I couldnt move icons around on the desktop in an intuitive manner. (i.e., grab and drop) and it felt too much like a hacked up phone OS instead of pure android. I want pure android on my NC.
I did my research before I purchased the NC and IMO, it is the best value for the $$$ in terms of an Android tablet. I don't mind putting in some hours in front of the command line (I started working with computers when DOS 5 was released, so lets compare the color of our beards, eh?) and am totally comfortable in various OS's and speak *NIX fluently.
Got an answer that you think is gonna work? Or should I just wait for someone else to post a different Honeycomb image for the NC, or is there one out there that simply works?
Over the last few months I have spent many hours reading these and various other forums (B&N Forums, Android Forums) to get ready to hack my Nook and I would love to contribute in some small (or not so small) manner however being married with 2 kids working 50+ hours a week puts a damper on my "fun time" (i.e. hackery).
Thanks in advance for not only reading all this, but for any help / support that is offered.
D'Oh!
Shoulda watched the video twice. Posted in wrong sub-forum.
Shoulda been in the Q&A area.
Crap.
Maybe there is a mod out there willing to move it.
Think I may have found whats up.
I pulled the SD card and stuck it back in my laptop to take a look-see at the partitions. Lo and behold there is a 12.5GB un-partitioned space.
So now I am going to create a new partition and then stick it in the nook and boot from it. Hopefully once I hook it up to USB, it will be able to mount as volume for file transfer. It would suck to have to poweroff the nook and pull the card every time I wanted to add some files to it.
No luck. Windows will not recognize the partition I created.
I.e., I am unable to assign a drive letter even though it is a logical partition.
Off to google stuff again.
Well I gave up on this.
However I am willing to admit when I am wrong. I am now quitw happily running the latest stable build of CM7 and its running nicely. Got a few more tweaks to do before I arrive at what I had pictured in my head for my ultimate nook.
I just wanted to report in and give a status update although I am kinda puzzled by the lack of responses. Are the majority of you running froyo and waiting for a better version of honeycomb to be released?
Anyway cheers and happy hacking.
Most of us are (I think) running CM7 (gingerbread). When the HC sources are released, I expect we'll be running CM8 within weeks.
Windoze has real troubles with partitioned SDs, especially in built-in readers, either a case of "we know better" or one of those simplifying assumptions that gets in the way. An external reader (looks more like a generic USB drive) might fare better. I'm a Linux guy, so I'm all set. Most Windoze systems don't have drivers for ext filesystems, so they're unusable (/system and /data).
Image-copying always sets the partitions and filesystems until you re-partition like you did. Good detective work there.
Also, lots of us have lives and aren't in this forum full-time. I tend to ignore HC posts when I don't have infinite time to mess around.
Temetka said:
No luck. Windows will not recognize the partition I created.
I.e., I am unable to assign a drive letter even though it is a logical partition.
Off to google stuff again.
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Delete the partition you created... extend the last partition on the SD... the nook can now use all of it when running off SD and the remaining portion of partition 1 when booting stock.
So come to find out that the main holdup woith getting honeycomb going for the nc community is a lack of source code. Until such time as that is made available I can wait.
Now then, here is where I will eat my own hat. I reloaded the latest stable version of CM7 on my nc and I am really impressed with it. Last time I tried it woas a few months ago and it was a dissapointment for me. However between then and now I have learned a lot more about Android in general and the nook. This is my first android device.
FWIW Linux is my mainOS and has been for years. I was in windows so I could satisfy a craving of mine.You see, I am a WoW player. While the game runs ok in Wine, it runs far far better natively, especially for raiding. So I use linux for work and most other functions, i use windows for games.
So anyway I am now very comfortable in my CM7 setup and will continue to work witu it and learn more as time goes by.
Hi,
Does anyone know if there is a Android SD rom available, like those people use for their HD2, etc. I want to try other ROM quickly but I don't want to go thru the steps to flash. It would be nice if I can just boot the rom from the SD card somehow.
Thanks.
That would require someone making a SPL/SBL like magldr.
The s7 doesnt have a custom SPL, do any tegra2 devices have a custom spl?
Until that time dont even bother thinking about something like that as it's a massive feat to pull off. The HD2 already is recorded in the annals of history as one of the few devices to have a good working custom spl as it's exceedingly rare for a device to recieve so much deep support to make it happen.
I was asking because I noticed there is a custom ROM running directly on SD card for nook color...hope someone will figure out...
The nook color was almost designed with that in mind wasnt it? It's prob easier if that's true, more importantly there's many nook users/devs in comparison to the S7
HI..
I’m new in Nook color. I have just bough nook color and an 16GB SD card with Gingerbread 2.3.3 Mod version Phiremod Nook 6.3 Build No. GRI40.
I have not any problem for 1st time booting, but afterthat market wont work, after several cache & data clear up market is back to normal. Then another problem has been found,
1) Internet connection is really slow. My wi-fi setting is set to WEP security (if i change it to W2K or something else it will not detect my wifi), signal is excelent, but sometime i even cannot get into google,I think there problem with the software and connection, seems the nook is very slow also even when i click a thick box it will take around 2-3 minutes to response. What will be the possible issue?
2) When I want to reboot or powering off the Nook another problem has come, the nook wont reboot neither powering off, it hangs and freakin’ me out and i must hard force the power button to kill the nook. What is the cause?
3) Nook shall come with 8GB internal storage, but why in the Storage it is mentioning the total space is 0.93GB and available space is 874MB. And my SD card(16GB) is only 2.24GB instead of 16GB.
Please help me all expert.
I start love Nook the first time i’ve seen it, but after getting some confusion with this I start to thing twice to have rooted tablet..please help me to start enjoying my nook.
Thanks ALL
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=954902
There's the thread for Phiremod. I would guess some of your issues might be addressed in that thread.
You aren't going to be able to change the partition sizes without destroying your non-SD card build (presumably the stock Nook ROM).
My recommendation is forget the Phiremod, all that does is remove you from the official CM7 update paths and in turn you get no real benefits, no support and lagging updates and fixes.
Install the latest CM7 nightly(177) onto your emmc, most, if not all of the issues you are having should go away once you've done that.
you can follow this guide
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1030227
I hope you didn't pay much for that card, because if you want to fix any of these things, you will probably have to start from scratch and make your own, anyway.
Your performance issues very likely relate back to that card. It may be that they used a poor card in the first place, but even if they used a decent card, sometimes SD installs just don't come out quite right and need to be rebuilt from scratch.
abuazka said:
3) Nook shall come with 8GB internal storage, but why in the Storage it is mentioning the total space is 0.93GB and available space is 874MB.
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That's how newer NCs are partitioned. There's a 5GB partition that you can't see where Barnes & Noble apps, books and magazines would install, and only 1GB for you to sideload. The remainder is used for boot files and recovery images. You can reverse that partitioning so you have 5GB available using the method here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1094371
abuazka said:
And my SD card(16GB) is only 2.24GB instead of 16GB.
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You may be able to claim the remaining space using a program like EASEUS Partition Manager, assuming it was in fact a 16GB card. If you look at the card in EASEUS on a PC and see a lot of unallocated space, you can extend the partition named /sdcard to take up that space. If the card was set up that carelessly, though, it's very likely the people who made it didn't know what they were doing and the card will never perform well.
Also instead of WEP use WPA2 for best results.
I bought the card less then 50$, the brand is Paxxxxt. The seller has inform me that there might be an issue with the card, because the speed is too slow. He said from thousand of his cards there are 30 something are having this problem, so he send me another card (sanxxxk), it will arrive within next week, hope it will work.
Thanks to all experts.
I've been looking for a tablet for some time, and the $135 refurb deal from B&N was finally enough to push me over the edge to a NC. Nothing else really comes close at that price point.
The technical explanations and threads for rooting/flashing seem pretty straightforward. As I'm familiar with CM from my Droid Eris, I think I'll be ok here.
What I would like to know is:
What do I lose/gain by flashing CM (such as Kang) over rooted stock?
* Do I lose Youtube/Flash? (I did read that there are issues with HD video)
* Can I still buy or install apps from the Market?
* I have some Humble Bundle android games (world of goo, etc) - is stock or CM better for this?
* I currently have no B&N content. I understand I will not be able to use the stock app if I flash - does the alternative B&N app limit me in any other way?
* If I flash, is there any reason I should *not* install to internal flash (emmc, i think?) ?
Sorry if some of the questions seem obvious, I just want to look before I leap
Thanks in advance,
A Nook noob
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EDIT: A summary for first-pagers:
I installed to the sd card, using CM7 (Kang). No real problems so far. Everything just works. I do have trouble prying the dang thing out of my kids' hands.
For the technically-minded: I will note here that apps that can usually remount /system as read/write fail on my sd-only installs. I always have to go back in through the terminal app and do the following steps manually:
bash
mount -t yaffs2 -o rw,remount /dev/block/mtdblk3 /system
This does make changing screen dpi and other similar tasks a pain in the rear, but oh well.
I have not upgraded from the inital Kang release I started with - partly because I'm not sure how using recovery mode in the sd-installed version will work (I hate having to reinstall every app), and partly because everything just works so far.
I will also note that I had to set apps to automatically install to the sd card (this is off by default) because I very quickly ran out of space on the 1GB /emmc slice. Apps get installed here by default even on sd-only installs.
I strongly recommend the "Hacker Keyboard" available on the market (free). It's great when you have to use vi in the Terminal app .
I updated framework.jar to include an IMEI number for apps in the Market. I also edited build.prop for the same reasons.
I overclocked to 1200, and it's solid as a rock at those speeds.
bigrat said:
I've been looking for a tablet for some time, and the $135 refurb deal from B&N was finally enough to push me over the edge to a NC. Nothing else really comes close at that price point.
The technical explanations and threads for rooting/flashing seem pretty straightforward. As I'm familiar with CM from my Droid Eris, I think I'll be ok here.
What I would like to know is:
What do I lose/gain by flashing CM (such as Kang) over rooted stock?
* Do I lose Youtube/Flash? (I did read that there are issues with HD video)
* Can I still buy or install apps from the Market?
* I have some Humble Bundle android games (world of goo, etc) - is stock or CM better for this?
* I currently have no B&N content. I understand I will not be able to use the stock app if I flash - does the alternative B&N app limit me in any other way?
* If I flash, is there any reason I should *not* install to internal flash (emmc, i think?) ?
Sorry if some of the questions seem obvious, I just want to look before I leap
Thanks in advance,
A Nook noob
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This is all assuming you use CM7, which is more mature than CM9.
1. You lose the stock Nook ereader software. it can read kids books and other things which the android app cannot.
2. apps from the market work great from cm7. Don't know about Humble Bundle.
3. you do not lose youtube. (you lose HD with the newest version of Youtube, but still works on old versions.) Flash, I really don't remember. I don't think so. (edit, just checked, yes flash)
4. The only reason not to put on emmc is B&N warranty. You lose it with CM on emmc. But if your broke nook still works you can put stock back on and warranty still good.
But CM on SD works as well as on emmc. And you have stock still available for the reader and warranty.
Thanks leapinlar!
CM will allow you to get even more applications from the market. Also, performance is far better, compared to the stock.
And you can try flashing CM7 to an SD card and try it out before you flash it to internal memory (if you have a sandisk SD card, other brands don't work as well).
As leapinlar listed item 1 above, addition to that is you would lose the ability subscribe free magazine directly on your NC, other than that, CM7 is miles ahead.
The question is really what you lose by moving away from stock. Rooting doesn't really give you any advantage if you are willing to mess with stock you might as well go CM7.
As mentioned you will lose the B&N reader which is built into the Nook and has unique functions. You can still keep nearly all of the functionality of the reader though by getting the B&N app from the market. You will also technically void your warranty (though you can always flash back to complete stock).
If losing the Nook reader's specific functions or the warranty are a concern then you have the option of running a bootable SD card which leaves the internals of the Nook totally stock. This also has its disadvantages though in that you loose the extra storage capacity of the on-board memory and you lose the ability to use multiple SD cards. The slot will be filled by the bootable one you are running on so you can't put others in and out.
Everything else is an advantage in favor of CM7 and are too numerous to list. Bottom line is unless you really like the OS B&N has provided including it's limitations, then there is no reason to stay running stock. Either use a bootable CM7 SD card or put CM7 on internal and don't look back.
JP
Thanks very much for the great answers! It seems I will go CM.
J515OP said:
TThis also has its disadvantages though in that you loose the extra storage capacity of the on-board memory and you lose the ability to use multiple SD cards. The slot will be filled by the bootable one you are running on so you can't put others in and out.
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First bold, why do say losing on-board storage? It's always there for us to use, either 1G, 5G or custom set.
Second bold, we're strongly NOT suggesting people keep inserting and removing the external uSD. Minimize to the lowest possible.
votinh said:
First bold, why do say losing on-board storage? It's always there for us to use, either 1G, 5G or custom set.
Second bold, we're strongly NOT suggesting people keep inserting and removing the external uSD. Minimize to the lowest possible.
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1. Because by breaching the SD card wall the user can potentially make changes to the stock B&N that will cause issues and possibly void their warranty. If the concern is to leave stock alone by using the SD card method then they probably will not want to do anything to potentially mess up emmc. This is a consideration for a user that only wants to run from SD card that they may be limited to the space seen on the SD by default by the ROM and not the extra internal space.
2. Not suggesting that a users should repeatedly insert and remove cards. However running from emmc you have internal storage plus up to 32GB of SD card space available and if necessary you can swap out the SD card. However, when running from the SD card you only have the portion of the SD card unused by the ROM. This portion is split between "internal" and "sd card". If you are using a 4GB bootable SD card you may find you have very little space for apps and media with no option of expanding that by adding an external SD card since you are already using that slot.
These are just considerations that people not familiar with bootable SD cards may want to know about.
JP
J515OP said:
1. Because by breaching the SD card wall the user can potentially make changes to the stock B&N that will cause issues and possibly void their warranty. If the concern is to leave stock alone by using the SD card method then they probably will not want to do anything to potentially mess up emmc. This is a consideration for a user that only wants to run from SD card that they may be limited to the space seen on the SD by default by the ROM and not the extra internal space.
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You probably confuse the eMMC system partitions and the eMMC /media partition. The eMMC /media partition is for us to use, it won't hurt the "stock OS/kernel" at all.
These are just considerations that people not familiar with bootable SD cards may want to know about.
JP
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Sure, agree, but you know, say that we have a 16GB uSD card, if utilize internal memory, we have a full 16GB (don't bother to convert) as personal storage, yes.
If running ROM from a 16GB uSD card, we still have roughly 13GB left for personal storage.
Yep, I agree. Over all a bootable uSD with CM7 is a great way to go. Taking it one step further, if you use a 32GB card you really have quite a bit of space even if you only use the space on the card. This is a solid option particularly if you don't want to mess with eMMC or just have something else on eMMC entirely.
Back to the original question I still say CM7 on eMMC or uSD card is the way to go unless you need the stock B&N functions or layout. In that case root would be better than straight stock.
2 cents
JP
Guys, I really appreciate all the suggestions. I ordered two 32GB Sandisk cards, I'll probably just boot from them until maybe the warranty period is up. 32GB is a lot of space...
I've been running on an SD card for a while now but I'm considering going dual boot on the eMCC. What are the pros/cons for doing that?
mario_de said:
I've been running on an SD card for a while now but I'm considering going dual boot on the eMCC. What are the pros/cons for doing that?
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Voiding your warranty (if you still have one) and the need to be slightly proficient with recovery either from internal or on a bootable uSD card (in case something goes wrong and you need to reflash) are the only cons I can think of.
Pros are possibly smoother (depending on the performance of the uSD card you were using) access to a straight data uSD card through the slot since you won't have to take it up with a bootable card and the ability to keep your ROM and data/backups completely separate. The last one would be for example if your current bootable card became corrupted and non-readable you might not be able to boot it or recover any backups you had saved on it possibly leading to complete loss of the card and the need to start from scratch. This would be avoidable with a little precaution though. Still it's a pro that if you back up the eMMC to the SD card and eMMC crashes you can restore backups from the card.
So, just so that I'm clear here, I'll summarize (in case anyone else wants to know this):
If I wish to install CM, I need to create a bootable uSD card with the image I want. Once I've done this, I can boot directly from this image. If I choose to do this, I do not need to root or modify my NC. Should I wish to return to the original firmware because my NC dies or whatever, all I need to do is pull the uSD card out.
If I do this, I will have access to the remaining storage of the uSD card, and the /media slice on emmc.
The only media/B&N content that I will not have access to will be that content which requires the original NC reader. Pretty much everything else will be better - I can overclock the NC, have access to normal GApps, bluetooth access, Youtube, Flash, games, etc, everything that having CM gives you.
Using the uSD for booting means I will not be able to swap the card out while the NC is running, and is really the only thing I'm giving up here.
Please feel free to correct me where I'm wrong here, and thanks to everybody for the answers.
bigrat said:
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If I do this, I will have access to the remaining storage of the uSD card, and the /media slice on emmc.
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\>>> Forget the eMMC. The eMMC is not the memory you are looking for. <<</
To me, the whole purpose of booting to the uSD is to forget, leave pristine, ignore anything on internal memory. Get a 16G Sandisk and the eMMC shouoldn't be worth your time. Better yet, http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-microSDHC-Flash-Memory-SDSDQM-032G-B35/dp/B004G60AD6?tag=dealswoot-20
If I wish to install CM ...
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If I was you, I would say "If I wish to run CM from the external uSD card ...."
MISRy said:
\>>> Forget the eMMC. The eMMC is not the memory you are looking for. <<</
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There is no reason you should not use your emmc media partition in addition to the balance of the SD card. It is there so you might as well use it (especially if you have the full 5GB version). You can never have enough storage space no matter how big your SD card. I have a 16GB card with CM9 on it and have it almost full and emmc media (5GB) almost full too.
leapinlar said:
There is no reason you should not use your emmc media partition in addition to the balance of the SD card. It is there so you might as well use it (especially if you have the full 5GB version). You can never have enough storage space no matter how big your SD card. I have a 16GB card with CM9 on it and have it almost full and emmc media (5GB) almost full too.
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There definitely appears to be two schools of thought here. With cloud options these days on board storage is really becoming less of an issue (Dropbox, Skydrive, Box etc.).
It is nice to have an informed decision based on both options but at the end of the day it is a preference call.
JP