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I just read two similar postings to this, but I felt like I needed to give my opinions anyways. It's not exactly the same anyways.
Nexus One was Google's grand experiment. Some have considered it a failure due to sales numbers, some a success due to lack of marketing, some have lots to say about changing distribution channels, and the plusses and negatives.
But we are the test subjects here. And I'll tell you, coming from WinMo and a TP2, I was at first surprised and happy with my decision to impulse buy an experiment on a new OS. Speed, just-worksness, etc. My only negative was missing Sense. And then Modaco ported the Desire ROM, which I have to say isn't perfect but is 10x more stable than my old TP2 roms. I loved my phone.
However... being a test subject has worn on me. One: the first loved then panned screen, which I've heard everything from inferior coloring to last generation hardware on multitouch, none of which has bothered me, to the infuriating reception, which I have definitely been party to. Worst of all is the world class hardware HTC made to match the Iphone's style... matches it's weakness. I'm on my third N1. One broken digitizer, one broken LCD. Third one no problems so far. The LCD ridiculously while in my pocket.
And finally, the development community. One guy posted about the lack of comparitive stuff he could add from rooting. Any smartphone can add tethering. Porting Sense completed the phone for me, as I missed my smart dialing and weather clock. He got flamed for being demanding of devs, which I can understand on a dev community board... but I agree. The N1 was supposed to be the XDA's dream phone. Fastest updates, superior hardware... you could do anything with this phone. So we have a modified stock rom with additional features and RAM, Apps2SD, and ported Sense. Modaco is off for two weeks, and actually was hammering releases out daily for a while. But on my inferior TP2 they ported HD2 Roms, non HTC Roms, every new feature on any winmo phone... xda did that. They ported Android and convinced me to buy the n1! I am in no way complain about devs. Especially Cyanogen, Modaco, and that guy who has ported both Motoblur and Espresso and is now working on X10 Rom. I patiently await what they do. But all in all, developer response to N1 has been slow coming it would seem.
So to end my giant book post: how do you feel as an n1 user about your experience? The first legit google experience? I am not won over like an iphone fanboy. I am very dissappointed in customer service, and some hardware stuff. But overall I'm happy I made the Android jump. My only conclusion is that my next phone will not be from google dot come slash phone. It will be carrier branded. Rooting means I'll get updates fast anyways, and sales will be so much higher I expect that development will be more active. How do you all feel?
What exactly do you want to be developed? Do you want us Android users to port the lackluster Windows Mobile over to our devices? Is this what you expect?
MOTO Blur can't be correctly ported because of key mapping, and even so the resolution would be off without any current Android devices having MOTO Blur on a big screen, same goes for Espresso. X10 is in the making, as it also has button matching issues. Which are now being figured out.
You seem to be an intelligent person, someone who is smart enough to notice that this phone has been out for less that 4 months - which obviously means there is much to be left discovered. Your post, and this thread, are both pathetic. You act as if developing takes a small flick of the wrist, and as if the developers are not actually "trying" or pushing out more things that tickle your fancy fast enough - exactly what are you expecting? Also, please note that Windows has the ability to boot both Linux and itself, which im sure is a little relevant.
Why don't you wait a little while and see how things play out before making these little rant threads that are not needed..
What else do u want to do that hasn't been done or worked on?
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I love my Nexus one.
If you buy a phone for what MIGHT come, you've bought the wrong phone.
[QUOTE=trevorwhopkins;6187241 I am very dissappointed in customer service, and some hardware stuffl?[/QUOTE
You had to know you'd be flamed for your thoughts (although all valid opinions), but I can't see how you point out customer service as an issue when you're on your third (I assume free replacement) N1.
Regarding the community and development: I think this time around the community and devs knew what was needed based on prior android custom roms. Things like tethering, multitouch, rotating homescreen, launncher with an extra column, A2SD etc. were all released within a very reasonable timeframe. Then there were things like custom notification colors which didn't take much time to come out, either.
The phone is not perfect, and 99% of my frustrations seem to he simply a design flaw (aka hardware issue) where the normal/comfortable position to hold it creates a false/unintended pressz of the touchscreen resulting in random presses - which many blame software on while never realizing they simply need to adjust how they hold the phone. I learned to adjust, which I think everyone has to do for every phone (learn its quirks and adjust accordingly).
Disappointed? Not at all...overpriced? Maybe...glad I'm still the only one I know who has it? Hell yeah!
Fair post but good luck suggesting to many people at xda that their phone isn't the be-all end-all of mobile device development, its like telling a parent their kid is ugly, there's no reason or objectivity involved so youll be made to look soulless. : )
I personally couldn't care less about xda participation. However I am a little disappointed every time a new bug comes up and it turns out its regarding outdated hardware, in that department I did expect a little more. It's disappointing that we have an old screen and what not, surely Google didn't think users wouldn't discover and discuss the copious problems with the phone...
And I do feel like a beta tester. It does feel like the phone was rushed to the public. But this software is still awesome and ultimately we do have some solid hardware to work with and if Google wants to they can make this phone as stable and pleasurable as they advertised it to be. I am so incredibly curious to know what android has been doing lately, the folks there are historically bad at keeping secrets (thankfully) so they have either tightened security or they have been staring at the wall. I'm guessing the former and I can't wait. For a while after the bugs and shortcomings for this phone began to mount I turned my attention to the iPhone, lucky for android the iPhone OS 4.0 is not impressive. As long as the hardware isn't either, android can string me along for a good while.
I really don't know what to think. Google is making no effort to advertise the phone (for good reason at this point), and they are silent to all of the problems that have come up. I'm starting to think Google wishes the nexus would go away so they could try again...
about nexous one
Let me tell you after owning every phone out there the nexous one is the best and fastest phone i have ever owned period
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after owning all of those phone i will never go back i love my n1
Look at the g1 its the first android phone and there is hella roms for it just wait and there will be more roms and google will give out more updated witch will make the phone better and better
If you like sinse just get the HD2
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You didn't add anything new to what was posted before. It's just a bunch of empty thoughts.
What is it that you want????
As I said before, we have the most up-to-date version of Android already, we can't anything new if we don't fully understand the changes.
This is just about as open a platform as we will ever see, learn to fix/add what you want.
Here is what I ask? At the time the Nexus came out, what phone was better? Iphone... uhm no. Touchpro2... not a chance. Moto Droid? Inferior hardware. The bottom line is, even with a few problems the Nexus has, it is still a top 5 phone, if not the best phone there is. I can honestly say, for T-Mobile, there is not a single phone offered that I would rather have. I can think of ONE other phone I'd consider getting outside T-Mobile and thats a phone that isn't out yet (Evo 4g). Come on man, do you want the phone to mow your lawn for you? It's an incredible device.
Oh and judging the quality of a phone based on sales figures is retarded. I don't care if it only sold one phone, if its a great phone its a great phone.
evilkorn said:
What is it that you want????
As I said before, we have the most up-to-date version of Android already, we can't anything new if we don't fully understand the changes.
This is just about as open a platform as we will ever see, learn to fix/add what you want.
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I agree with you. Unlike the G1, we aren't trying to backport 2.1 features or build ROMs with as many things working in 2.1 as we can.
People like Sense, good for them. Personally, I don't care for it in the least. I like a few of the visuals of the status bar from it, which is why I kanged them, but I don't really care at all for the rest of it.
I'm running stock right know.. you know why? Because 2.1 is already the best Android experience! Like Eclair said, I don't get what you want right now.. Yes, the G1 and Magic have alot more ROMS out there but most of them are just 2.1 port attempts! They're trying to get what we already have on our phones. Just to further echo some common sentiments, the phone has only been out for a few months whereas the G1 has been out for a year and a half.. Don't worry, the development will come.. You should feel assured in the fact that many of the top G1/Magic devs switched over to the N1, it was one of the reasons I chose the Nexus over waiting for phones like the Desire.
All that said, I definitely am disappointed with a few things: The various hardware issues that have been popping up amongst different users (I personally have the purple tint issue), and the lagginess of the homescreen swiping. While the 2.1 is very fast in terms of app to app switching or web browsing, it lacks the polish that I hoped 2.1 would have (ie. like the iPhone). Yea, I know things like smooth scrolling on the iPhone are just eye candy, but it matters. It's what appeals to the masses.
An example, I have a non-techie friend who has played around with my Magic before (The Magic was running CursorSense). When he first played around with the N1 his first response was "How come this phone is slower than your Magic, I thought you payed $600 for it?".. He was referring to the scrolling. Of course after I showed him a few neat things (live walls, 3d launcher and gallery etc) he changed his mind but the point remains, the N1 doesn't leave the best first impression.
Overall I am happy with it although I feel it is definitely over priced. But the hardware is built for the future so I'm know that the software updates and future xda development will make it an investment that was worth taking!
Obviously the marketing (lack of) cant have helped sales. Putting it out first on Tmo was a mistake because it severly limited its market even among those who knew about it due to the lack of coverage. I think a traditional carrier launch on either AT&T or Verizon would have moved a lot of handsets. I think Google isnt stupid and they knew these things going in so they had their reasons.
Im not getting the slow development complaints. Its been 4 months. None of the other devices I had saw development that was faster in their intial months of release. At least not as I could notice, I freely admit I wasnt counting roms/apps and logging them in a database.
Personally I dont feel qualified to comment in great detail on a phone I picked up yesterday but I can say I dont regret it at all now that I have hardware in hand. It pretty much rocks as is and I for one am confident that good things are coming and its going to get better.
I will be returning my Nexus One to HTC for repair/replacement due to a faulty power button.
My only real gripe with the phone itself is that the power button is used to sleep & wake the device by default. There is no single button more important than the power button, imho, and it was a poor choice for HTC to design it so.
I take that back, the other huge gripe I have about the phone is HTC's decision to embed the radio antenna at the base of the phone where it is covered by the meaty part of the hand while holding the phone to your ear. Maybe they just assumed everyone would use the headset or bluetooth, but I don't. It is annoying to see it drop a bar of signal because I'm holding the phone naturally in the palm of my hand.
Once I get my replacement phone, I will not be unlocking or rooting it. I will be keeping it intact (and possibly sealed) until this summer, when I can see the next gen iPhone in action, and possibly as late as November, as Windows Phone 7 is already shaping up to be pretty slick.
Here are the things I want in my phone:
1. Just works. Most important thing. Dialer, Contacts, Bluetooth, etc. These things should just be a flick of the finger away.
2. Feature-rich. Integrated search, multi-touch browsing and maps, GPS nav, Native Internet Tethering (bugs the **** out of me that Android doesn't offer this OOB still).
3. Business AND pleasure - don't make me choose between personal email and contacts and enterprise features. HTC has saved Google's ass on this one with their amazing Sense framework from the Desire ROM. Exchange with ActiveSync is a MUST. Also where's the love for Blackberry mail server?? I guess Android is not for law firms? /shrug
4. When something says "Full web browsing", if it doesn't include Flash, HTML5, or Silverlight support, that's false advertising.
Other stuff:
I'm starting to write my apps for Windows Phone 7 SDK, I have been writing apps for the iPhone OS (now looking at iPhone OS 4 beta SDK), and I have written a few for Android.
The Windows Phone 7 SDK using Visual Studio 2010 is bread and butter for me -- its perfect. Working with Xcode on the iPhone SDK always felt clunky, and inefficient. Working with Eclipse on the Android SDK has come a *long* way since I started two years ago, and is much easier now than then.
But VS 2010 makes writing apps for WinPhone7 dead simple. I've already ported across my apps from the iPhone and Android platforms without any 3rd party cross-compilers, and it took a very short period of time.
These days it is the ecosystem that drives the market for handheld devices. iTunes made iPod what it is. The iPhone App store with 180,000+ apps made the iPhone platform what it is (we all know it certainly was nice hardware when it was released, but is definitely dated now). The Android Market has been a blessing and a curse for Android. Many solid apps, but no unified Android platform to develop for (to be addressed in Froyo -- or so they say). No single set of hardware to develop for. It's literally like shooting at a moving target. And developing with open source tools is fun for a while, but gets tiresome when there is so much more effort involved in some of the simplest things.
So that's basically where I am personally at. I love my N1. I will be getting it replaced due to hardware failure. I may not use the replacement, and may sell it instead to finance a Windows Phone 7, or possibly (but not likely) an iPhone over the course of the summer.
And before anyone calls me a hater on any grounds: I have used WinMo in the past, I am using Android now, I have good friends who use iPhones and I hold nothing against them for that. I develop my code on a Windows 7 machine, and I am typing this message on my Mac, which boots Win7, OSX, and Ubuntu.
Lastly, I will say this. There is a sad saying in business that "good enough beats best." This means that despite the technology or ability out there to produce unquestionably excellent goods and services, those which are "good enough" and produce a higher profit margin will win. We will likely always feel like we are being forced to accept mediocrity, but fortunately, the devices we have today will still be outshined, outclassed, and outdone by nearly everything to come in the future.
I would say the negative responses I got here are unappreciated and pointless, but then again they were expected and matter as much as my opinion does.
As for customer service... no. I didn't get anything free. My first n1's lcd broke inside my pocket in a restauraunt. The glass and case was perfect. There were tiny cracks in the lcd. I didn't drop it or anything. I really liked the phone, so I bought another. Google and HTC both gave me a runaround about covering it. Twenty minutes into a conversation, 3 steps up the corporate ladder, and and they finally said send it in, charge 500 dollars, and if your lucky we will give it back. The second time, my wife dropped it, which was her fault. As opposed to my TP2, Palm Pre, my sister's G1, which carriers were glad to replace free immediately if they even looked funny.
My point wasnt to repeat the other guys, only to explain my point about us being beta testers and ask how others felt. I expected some of you to defend it all, and some to complain. I was only explaining the things that made me think about it. And I feel that it is pointless for people to jump all over any person that posts a opinionated comment. If your not trolling or begging or complaining to devs, there's nothing wrong with having an opinion.
I didn't want to end up defending WM at all, only pointing out that their community is insanely creative. I have plenty of respect for how hard devs work. It's not the devs work I questioned, but the amount and interest of the dev community in this phone. If I wanted a WM phone I'ld have gotten the HD2. I like Android just fine, although I'ld be happy to jump on a GSM Droid with 1ghz, as I like my keyboards and hate the glare under the sun of OLED.
Also, all I meant to say about the sales numbers was that is just statistics. Chances are the phone with the most users has the most development, as theaudience is the biggest.
I see all of your points, and didnt mean to complain. The point of my post was this:
How do YOU ALL feel about your experience so far?
Thats why I explained overall how I felt with all the stuff we all have seen positive and negative.
love the phone.. but the touchscreen issues are really pissing me off. and the power button is starting to ***** out on me.
I don't regret at all the $$ I paid for Nexus One. It's an amazing phone with a great OS, it has some negatives like any other phone in the universe (battery,ringtones volume and sunlight visibility) but it has so many positives
My ex-SE phones (that I totally loved) look like an old nintendo NES compared to an XboX360
Other than the **** battery, I'm perfectly happy with my N1.
plain and simple... give me a multi-touch screen that actually works the way it should and I would be 100% satisfied with my phone...
I was hoping that the gaming experience on the phone would be much more pleasurable but with how quirky the touch screen is its nearly impossible to have a great experience...
I would say I am about 80% pleased with the experience so far and I came from a t-mobile dash so the tech on the N1 was leaps and bounds ahead of my old phone but given that I had to shell out all that money for the phone means I should have a 100% sexy piece of hardware instead of 80% of one... with a phone that has no physical keyboard, the touch screen should be much higher quality than it is....
my 2 cents...
Trevor, I agree with you.
Face it people, the phone is a disappointment.
Battery= sucks
touchscreen= sucks
can't save apps to sd= sucks
sloppy slow interface = sucks
3g = sucks
2g = sucks
trackball = sucks
hotmail = sucks
still no flash/html5 = sucks
pink blob im my photos = sucks
no gdocs app = sucks
force closing = sucks
no native profile choice = sucks
silent mode still allows sounds = sucks
slow googles response to the above issues = sucks
bunch of N1 fanboys who can't admit that thier N1 sucks = sucks
I have recently moved from the i4 and the only thing I miss apart from retina is the AppStore
Android apps just aren't as polished :/
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jameslfc5 said:
I have recently moved from the i4 and the only thing I miss apart from retina is the AppStore
Android apps just aren't as polished :/
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Try developing an application that should be compatible with hundreds of devices, from crappy ones to the high end ones, with different screen sizes and resolutions, processors, gpus.
I don't think we should try and search for excuses, cause he's actually right.
Most of the Market apps simply look like crap. Most of the iOS apps simply have an advanced design, if you look at power apps like Titanium Backup: It's one of the feature-richest apps out there and really good. But it looks like a DOS program that was designed in 1986 like Norton Commander or, to summarize it, like crap.
Smirny said:
I don't think we should try and search for excuses, cause he's actually right.
Most of the Market apps simply look like crap. Most of the iOS apps simply have an advanced design, if you look at power apps like Titanium Backup: It's one of the feature-richest apps out there and really good. But it looks like a DOS program that was designed in 1986 like Norton Commander or, to summarize it, like crap.
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You're absolutely right mate, android users just stand for it tho :/ they don't seem to care
As long as the marketplace stays crap, iOS with dominate
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You're absolutely right mate, android users just stand for it tho :/ they don't seem to care
As long as the marketplace stays crap, iOS with dominate
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ios doesnt dominate though.
Worlds most popular smartphone is Android.
Worlds most popular mobile os is Android.
Apple does dominate on the Apps though and i do agree with the OP. Android market place needs to shape up.
it's easier to make apps for iOS because each device has pretty much the same codingm just different sizes, you got two iOS devices on the market in a pocket size (the iTouch and the iPhone, the iTouch being pretty much an iPhone without the phone app and the GSM/CDMA workings) and you got two tablet's the iPad 1 and 2 (which isn't that different, the only thing about the 2 that is different is that it's thinner and has a front facing camera. That's apple for ya, make a small modifacation and call it revolutionary, yet the damn thing lacks a mini-USB port and doesn't do wifi all that well unless you are within line-of-sight of the source (router, antenna, bluetooth, etc)
however, you android you got devices to this say still operating on 1.5 and up, so, it's a bit harder,
for example, some conpanies have it right, SiriusXM's premium app being one of those, but, that is mainly a port of the iPhone app (that app looks the same on all devices, tells me they either ported it or tried to make it universal, flycast is the same way, though the blackberry UI looks a bit different)
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ios doesnt dominate though.
Worlds most popular smartphone is Android.
Worlds most popular mobile os is Android.
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source?
yes but alot of people use the iPhone over in europe.
here in the states we still have alot of people on feature phones, it's all about cost really. and the fact that in some areas verizon and ATT have no service there.
I meant ios apps dominate, developers need to develop for the latest versions 2.2+
The galaxy s2 is an amazing phone but it lacks the appstore
Facebook is an absolute joke on android, and ebay isn't much better
I understand that android sell more phones, so why don't developers focus on android
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yes but alot of people use the iPhone over in europe.
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And they have our sympathies, but help is available, their condition is treatable, they don't have to suffer in silence.
Kiboe said:
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yes but alot of people use the iPhone over in europe.
here in the states we still have alot of people on feature phones, it's all about cost really. and the fact that in some areas verizon and ATT have no service there.
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Well here's a source - http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/report-android-becomes-world-smartphone-leader-19634 I just thought this was common knowledge.
iphones aren't even World second. They come a miserable third.
There is also an article i read that i can't be bothered to find about the type of people that purchase iphones. Most people that purchase iphones are low income earners. And the perception these people have are that high income earners tend to purchase iphones, when in fact the trend is that they dont. Low income earners in general also think iphones are the best product available, and that is why they are willing to (stupidly?) hand over more money for a phone that is more expensive.
That is why the rich stay rich, and the poor stay poor.....that is, poor people generally have lower iq's and tend to fall for marketing and advertisement easier than rich people.
I myself am not rich, but i am also not stupid. My Android phone does everything an iphone can do (although i admit the app store is not as good as iphone app store), and i pay £26/month for a free phone, 600 minutes talk time/unlimited texts and a sizeable amount of data.
Androids all come with free sat navs etc.
The iphone cant touch this deal. Standard iphone contracts here in the UK are £40/month plus you need to pay a large amount of money extra for sat navs etc.
iphones in the United Kingdom are a complete rip off, and i must admit the people i see using them are your typical chav type people who spend all their spare cash in the pub getting drunk after work.
Business people have blackberrys, and cool people have Androids in my area
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Well here's a source - http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/report-android-becomes-world-smartphone-leader-19634 I just thought this was common knowledge.
iphones aren't even World second. They come a miserable third.
There is also an article i read that i can't be bothered to find about the type of people that purchase iphones. Most people that purchase iphones are low income earners. And the perception these people have are that high income earners tend to purchase iphones, when in fact the trend is that they dont. Low income earners in general also think iphones are the best product available, and that is why they are willing to (stupidly?) hand over more money for a phone that is more expensive.
That is why the rich stay rich, and the poor stay poor.....that is, poor people generally have lower iq's and tend to fall for marketing and advertisement easier than rich people.
I myself am not rich, but i am also not stupid. My Android phone does everything an iphone can do (although i admit the app store is not as good as iphone app store), and i pay £26/month for a free phone, 600 minutes talk time/unlimited texts and a sizeable amount of data.
Androids all come with free sat navs etc.
The iphone cant touch this deal. Standard iphone contracts here in the UK are £40/month plus you need to pay a large amount of money extra for sat navs etc.
iphones in the United Kingdom are a complete rip off, and i must admit the people i see using them are your typical chav type people who spend all their spare cash in the pub getting drunk after work.
Business people have blackberrys, and cool people have Androids in my area
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Partially agree, but blackberry is becoming a chav phone, young girls have the ****ty curve and their drug dealing 20 odd year old boyfriend has the ****ty bold.
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I have to agree, a lot of Android apps are not really polished and often are confusing to use.
But on the other hand you can do stuff which is flat out impossible on iPhone -- e.g. WidgetLocker.
You guys are forgetting Apple has strict rules for the App Store. Even design rules.
Looking at this discussion i am a little confuded. What do you people asking from your phones? To look glamour or to work smooth? Me I am really happy to have possibility changing every day look of my desktop and to install new apps only to look how it works on my Defy. I am really new user of Android and still learning. Whole differences between IOS and Android remainds me differences between McIntosh computers and PC's. First one has all put together and ready at once, but has not so many possibilities to change something - like IPhone. Second one is open for all range of applications - just like Android, and I like it .
Strict rules are beginning to happen in the marketplace :/ removed tv shows stream
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Looking at this discussion i am a little confuded. What do you people asking from your phones? To look glamour or to work smooth?
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Why can't you have both?
The smartphone "revolution" to call it something, came about by Apple being able to precisely do both: A phone that did a lot of stuff the other platforms were basically clueless about, and did it in a pretty way. Even today, the iPhone and iPad are *beautiful* pieces of hardware that are sort of being challenged by some of the Android OEM manufacturers (Galaxy Tab 10.1 comes to mind, HTC Incredible feels a lot like the iPhone 4).
Most of us are Android fans here, but don't let yourself be turned into a fanboy and be blinded by the truth, give Apple its due credit for, well, basically jumpstarting an entire industry around smartphones.
If Android is to really succeed it needs both to be functional *and* pretty. The smartphone is as much a tool as it is an accessory - denying it won't make it less true.
And to close, I'd like to point you to exhibit A - Linux desktop (I had Linux on my desktop for cpl of years, years ago - Today I use Win7)
For years on end as far back as I can remember, Linux users and fans would tout the technical aspects of Linux and how it is far superior to anything else out there. Things like memory management, speed, modularity, customizability, resiliency, etc. are all very impressive. And utterly irrelevant for like 99.99% of users (it might be 99.98% i'd need to check
What matters more to most users is how it actually feels to use it. How it feels to have one.
Both fan community and developer community (most of which are also fans) need to come to terms with this truth. It doesn't matter if Android is technically superior and super-duper customizable. For the masses, it needs to be pwetty and smooth.
The new Market needs to improve in load & download times. It can take ages for the Market to load & sometimes takes forever to download an app on wifi.
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Why can't you have both?
The smartphone "revolution" to call it something, came about by Apple being able to precisely do both: A phone that did a lot of stuff the other platforms were basically clueless about, and did it in a pretty way. Even today, the iPhone and iPad are *beautiful* pieces of hardware that are sort of being challenged by some of the Android OEM manufacturers (Galaxy Tab 10.1 comes to mind, HTC Incredible feels a lot like the iPhone 4).
Most of us are Android fans here, but don't let yourself be turned into a fanboy and be blinded by the truth, give Apple its due credit for, well, basically jumpstarting an entire industry around smartphones.
If Android is to really succeed it needs both to be functional *and* pretty. The smartphone is as much a tool as it is an accessory - denying it won't make it less true.
And to close, I'd like to point you to exhibit A - Linux desktop (I had Linux on my desktop for cpl of years, years ago - Today I use Win7)
For years on end as far back as I can remember, Linux users and fans would tout the technical aspects of Linux and how it is far superior to anything else out there. Things like memory management, speed, modularity, customizability, resiliency, etc. are all very impressive. And utterly irrelevant for like 99.99% of users (it might be 99.98% i'd need to check
What matters more to most users is how it actually feels to use it. How it feels to have one.
Both fan community and developer community (most of which are also fans) need to come to terms with this truth. It doesn't matter if Android is technically superior and super-duper customizable. For the masses, it needs to be pwetty and smooth.
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I feel as if a phone should be smooth yes, but to give up functionality for the capability of saying "hey look how smooth scrolling back and forth looks on my idevice!" is absolutely insane, my personal opinion is this being able to 30 thousand times as much with your device > "look at my scrolling!"
this comes down to another thread come up recently about android never getting hardware acceleration, which i honestly think will happen from select manufacturers (i.e. prolly HTC if this lawsuit doesnt kill them and samsung at least will pay an entire crew of software engineers to make their androids as smooth as the idevices for the sake of ridding android of the ONLY thing anybody could ever complain about) and after that happens the market will be even more cornered than it is now, android absolutely dominating every feature, actually innovating with google's money instead of sueing anybody who has ever used a touchscreen in their device, and the general population will probably open their eyes and see just how exponentially much more android can do than MeeGo/WebOS/iOS/WP7/WinMo/Blackberry and they will wonder why they didnt switch in 2010 like those who foresaw this coming. dont get me wrong wp7/iDevices are awesome electronic products by all means and they suit the simple standard "i want to open the box, play one game every week, text a bit, and call my 1-4 friends with no work" consumer's needs, but android can fill EVERY consumers needs, yes android in theory requires more time to set up, if you want to, and if you dont want to? then you dont! but the thing is android gives you the choice to make a virtual representation of yourself/your personality if you so desire. NOBODY else offers this, or half of androids features and thats why I personally use Android over any other OS. not because android is better, but because it CAN do more.
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Why can't you have both?
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That would be perfect, but as we all know, perfection is always a goal to achieve, in reality hardly exist. Usualy you have to choose... If you want good lookin', you can have it, but often not much more. If you want something good working, sometimes as a bonus you can have good look
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Most of us are Android fans here, but don't let yourself be turned into a fanboy and be blinded by the truth, give Apple its due credits for, well, basically jumpstarting an entire industry around smartphones.
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I am strongely agree, we all have to give credits to Apple for starting and competing what moves all bussiness. And it is only for good so ways of Apple and another producers are different. We have opportunity to choose what we like.
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If Android is to really succeed it needs both to be functional *and* pretty. The smartphone is as much a tool as it is an accessory - denying it won't make it less true.
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That's the goal to achieve for android.
nice read...
Okay, so im looking for the best deal online for a cellphone preferably through t-mobile and it'd need to be windows phone 7. I am willing to sign a new contract, at&Ts network is just too overloaded in my area and t-mobile is just a bit more friendly. I dont care if it's the venue pro or the hd7 and I've checked wirefly and lets talk. I just want to find the best deal for my money.
Or you could go android....
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Amazon? xD
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Or you could go android....
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Not desperate enough to downgrade like that.
try amazon!
Thanks for the Amazon suggestions. I'd never actually used Amazon before but it's 50 dollars less. If I can't find anything better by tomorrow I'm switching over.
If you cannot handle Android's Suzuki Hayabusa, it's a good idea to stick with WP7's pink Huffy with training wheels. Amazon is great either way.
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TJBunch1228 said:
If you cannot handle Android's Suzuki Hayabusa, it's a good idea to stick with WP7's pink Huffy with training wheels. Amazon is great either way.
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nice, compare the OS who's main complaints are lag and fragmentation to the fast bike, outstanding. This thread was not intended to turn into a **** measuring contest between OSes, I've reduced enough fandroids to petty 2nd grade insults in every other one of those I've entered. This thread was simply to get some advice, stop trying to compensate for your perpetually dated OS.
Remove panties, untwist, reapply.
If you are happy using a child-friendly phone, surely you can take a joke.
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Thank you for proving my point, if child friendly means Im not forced to spend hours modifying it before it can pass as functional then I'm more than happy. Look mommy, no lag.
Yep, Android is the most successful mobile OS, with the largest marketshare and the fastest growth in the history of cellular technology precisely because it requires hours of technical modification before it even becomes usable...
WP7 is barely a blip on the mobile OS radar because the only thing it offers is a smooth UI. It accomplishes this by having no customization. You can play with the phone for a day and have done everything the phone is capable of. This appeals to (a tiny minority) of people who want something to hold their hands while they go about their facebooking and emailing. There is nothing that WP7 offers that Android is incapable of doing, but the list of things WP7 is incapable of would turn any forum post into a Novella.
You like the simplicity of WP7, cool. Those pretty colors on the blocks that tell you if you have an email or text message are rad. I can run a fully functional WP7 launcher on my phone and stare at that before I go into a boredom coma. How many Android launchers with widgets, live wallpapers and customizable icons can you run on your super sweet OS?
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I believe the term here, and I apologize for my butchering of the English language, is, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Yes, android is the largest and fastest growing mobile OS, lets go to t-mobile's website, oh, 2 free android phones and some free flip phones, wonder which I'm going to pick. Hmm, let's try ATT, wow, same thing. Android can be used by anybody, any oem, and because of that it's optimized for nobody. This is why it will always feel like going back to windows 95 to me.
As far as your other statement goes, the UI is a massive selling point, absolutely lag free. However, it does have other points. The social networking integration can not come close with any number of apps on android, Zune pass annihilates any service on android, wp7 makes gaming on android look like a joke for the most part and has full Xbox live integration, the most amusing game I've found thus far on either OS came out near each of their releases. For windows phone 7 its the beautifully crafted IloMilo and for android it's a basic tower defense game, robo-defense. Still robo-defense doesn't work on a number of devices because of *gasp* fragmentation. With the release of your new android device the sword of Damocles is hanging over your head, fat chance that it's ever going to see an update. I own an S2 as well and that things been in my kitchen drawer since 2 days after I got it because it has no wow factor at all. Sure opposed to most android phones the lag is greatly reduced but that's about as relevant as coming in first in the special olympics.
For us devs, the dev environment of wp7 is 1000 times easier than androids and much more user friendly, last I heard androids dev support doesn't even offer anything more than a dead email address anymore. Most importantly, wp7 is people-centric as they like to call it. The main point of a phone is to keep up with people and for that it's perfect. I can pull up a contact, read up on what's going on, message them on Facebook or via SMS, hell I could shoot em an email if I wanted to I suppose. I can do all of this with the full facebook/twitter/live integration out of the box (and yes, my most recent hd7 shipped with mango so I guess they are shipping them out that way now)
Finally, sure, you could launch a piss poor emulation of wp7 on your device, you could even get a cheap rip-off of our keyboard and while imitation is the most sincere form of flattery, regardless of how poorly done, windows doesn't need to do that because hey look, our OS actually works. If it ran on every piece of hardware, if OEMs didn't have to pay for it, and if we'd let Chinese companies that make tablets and sell em for 80 dollars use our OS then we'd have all that hype too. Of course then we'd likely be laggy, fragmented, and always feel like windows 95.
Well it wasn't my intention to derail the thread from it's original topic, I was just being a smart ass.
That being said, I am honestly glad Microsoft is doing atleast a decent enough job to pull a couple users away from Android. WP7 is useless to me as well as the majority of other heavy users, but competition breeds innovation. The better WP7 gets, the better the competition gets in response. Win-win.
I'll consider going back to WP7 when it offers the ability to modify and update the OS and UI independent of Microsoft and the carriers whim. They have free wifi tether yet, either?
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I believe the term here, and I apologize for my butchering of the English language, is, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Yes, android is the largest and fastest growing mobile OS, lets go to t-mobile's website, oh, 2 free android phones and some free flip phones, wonder which I'm going to pick. Hmm, let's try ATT, wow, same thing. Android can be used by anybody, any oem, and because of that it's optimized for nobody. This is why it will always feel like going back to windows 95 to me.
As far as your other statement goes, the UI is a massive selling point, absolutely lag free. However, it does have other points. The social networking integration can not come close with any number of apps on android, Zune pass annihilates any service on android, wp7 makes gaming on android look like a joke for the most part and has full Xbox live integration, the most amusing game I've found thus far on either OS came out near each of their releases. For windows phone 7 its the beautifully crafted IloMilo and for android it's a basic tower defense game, robo-defense. Still robo-defense doesn't work on a number of devices because of *gasp* fragmentation. With the release of your new android device the sword of Damocles is hanging over your head, fat chance that it's ever going to see an update. I own an S2 as well and that things been in my kitchen drawer since 2 days after I got it because it has no wow factor at all. Sure opposed to most android phones the lag is greatly reduced but that's about as relevant as coming in first in the special olympics.
For us devs, the dev environment of wp7 is 1000 times easier than androids and much more user friendly, last I heard androids dev support doesn't even offer anything more than a dead email address anymore. Most importantly, wp7 is people-centric as they like to call it. The main point of a phone is to keep up with people and for that it's perfect. I can pull up a contact, read up on what's going on, message them on Facebook or via SMS, hell I could shoot em an email if I wanted to I suppose. I can do all of this with the full facebook/twitter/live integration out of the box (and yes, my most recent hd7 shipped with mango so I guess they are shipping them out that way now)
Finally, sure, you could launch a piss poor emulation of wp7 on your device, you could even get a cheap rip-off of our keyboard and while imitation is the most sincere form of flattery, regardless of how poorly done, windows doesn't need to do that because hey look, our OS actually works. If it ran on every piece of hardware, if OEMs didn't have to pay for it, and if we'd let Chinese companies that make tablets and sell em for 80 dollars use our OS then we'd have all that hype too. Of course then we'd likely be laggy, fragmented, and always feel like windows 95.
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can't go wrong with tmobile lowest mainstream contract to offer its unlimited web plan. with being that said wp7 is a real battery hogger as i've heard i think that's what makes up for it's high end graphic UI's pushing it.
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can't go wrong with tmobile lowest mainstream contract to offer its unlimited web plan. with being that said wp7 is a real battery hogger as i've heard i think that's what makes up for it's high end graphic UI's pushing it.
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Yeah my pre-Mango HD7 got 4-6 hours of moderate to heavy use. But my OC'd and heavily animated G2x only gets a few more hours than that of the same use, so you pick your poison.
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Pre-mango I'll admit, my battery life on all four of my wp7 devices was a joke, my dvp is literally twice as strong battery-wise, my hd7 gets around 13 hours moderate-heavy usage, and my focus can go two days. That part blew me away. As for what you want from windows phone, the ability to update outside of Microsoft is there for htc's devices though I personally dont see the point in intentionally introducing fragmentation to an OS that is free of it. I doubt there will ever be much more customization than what's intact for the UI, honestly I love not having to move stuff around frequently always looking for that clean but efficient look but that was always just my personal aesthetic preference.
LETS WRITE DOWN SOME REASONS WHY ANDROID'S ARE BETTER THAN IPHONES
1. OTA (Over the air) updates. No need to plug in to itunes
2. Freedom to change roms, root, customize, etc
3. Similar markets but Android Market has tons of more stuff
4. Now is when the iPhone has 4G ? You're a year late Apple :\
5. Tsk tsk tsk, still no 3D? Bragging about 1080p and 8mp and dual core? The Epic had this several months ago
6. Why pay $800 bucks for it (On ebay), when I can get an Evo 3D on ebay for $350?
Join the fun, get at em boys!
Wow, talk about a generally blind post riddled with fanboyism.
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I don't really see it as fanboyism considering that it's pretty much bang on the mark. I think iOS is an appalling piece of firmware. There is nothing interesting about an app draw, and let's face it, that's all it is. And that's just the apparent.
The hardware on the 4S is fantastic but by no means anything to brag about.
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It is a matter of perspective and experience which define our "likes". For example to the novice/beginner computer user, the iOS is the best piece of software they could come across. Why? Because you do not need to go through menus to do something. Or click on the app drawer icon to display your apps. (Note to a novice or beginner, they will not fathom any of these ideas as they ar unfamilar with the whole technoligcal world, hence having a difficult or less simple experience, this all from my experience with my friends, some didn't even know how to call)
You simply swipe, and pick. Simple eh? So there it is, a bragging right, even the most unexperienced will be able to handle the iOS. That is what you call a good software based on the software principles. Usability.
You realize that iOS 5 brings OTA updates right? Might want to actually research the competition before you ridicule it like an idiot. Personally I love both. I use a Nexus S and iPhone interchangeably. I see no need to bash the other OS, it's all a matter of opinion. I say the exact same thing to all the screaming apple fanatics on MacRumors.
And for the record I like iOS better than Android but with ICS on the verge of release that may even the play field.
Reasons why Android kills iPhones, three letters ICS.
Android is what separates the men from the iPussies.
you forgot Android is a cooler name o_0
1. OTA (Over the air) updates. No need to plug in to itunes
iOS5 has OTA capability
2. Freedom to change roms, root, customize, etc
Jailbreak
3. Similar markets but Android Market has tons of more stuff
Ummm Appstore probably has more apps than android market
4. Now is when the iPhone has 4G ? You're a year late Apple :\
Technically outside of LTE phones which were released this year, they're really not that late
5. Tsk tsk tsk, still no 3D? Bragging about 1080p and 8mp and dual core? The Epic had this several months ago
3D to most folks = gimmick
6. Why pay $800 bucks for it (On ebay), when I can get an Evo 3D on ebay for $350?
Who really wants to get an Evo 3D on ebay for $350? Also price gets better away from the initial release date where the demand is much greater than the supply
My guess is that you're..... 13?
C'mon, even with me being a fan of Android, I don't post ridiculous threads on why Android is better than iOS. Then to top it off add a poll to a predominately Android favored website.
Any respectable smartphone user won't join in your iBashing.
I have to say, iOS5 is a beauty.. and I have been an android man through and through.. ICS didnt impress me at all.. No new real "Bang" features.. just re-polishing stuff that should have already been polished. I'm disappointed Android, I wanted a reason to sell my iP4s for a wad of cash and get a Nexus.. Guess ill stick with it.
Given the obscenely unintelligent posts put forth by numerous members here you guys have no reason to mock iAnything.
What the hells the point in thie flame bait thread?
Both platforms have their advantages and disadvantages. It is as simple as that.
I choose Android.
Why? Because your phone is You.
It's a reflective image of you.
And with the Android, you're gonna make it happen.
because android easy to use
Android VS iOS: FIGHT!
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The screen on Iphones is far too small and only fit for making phone calls. Apple are deliberately doing this to make people buy an Ipad.
It's simply opinion. I prefer Android and I generally don't like Apple products, period.
I guess both have their pros and cons though...
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Hi all, my name is Will and I am addicted to phones.
The seeds of that addiction were planted on this very site circa 2004 with the arrival of my shiny new SX66. A Seimans distributed version of the HTC Blueangel. It was a marvelous device which still works today. There were many devices to follow. Wizards, Touch Pros and HD2s among many devices in between. On this site I learned to keep the devices fresh with the cutting edge software of the day. I started to get into mods like Co0kies Home Tab and ROM’s like the venerable Energy Rom. Then I set up a kitchen and started tweaking my own roms to be exactly what I wanted. All of the latest OS features, my preferred mods and other files to streamline the setup. This is a progression that I am sure is familiar to many on this forum. Man those were the days.
Whether I was using a ROM I cooked up myself or one of the more polished ones offered by others there is always a little instability or a feature that doesn’t quite work. Eventually you get into a cycle of Flash-Fix-Flash. It’s great fun because there’s always one more tweak or a new mod to try. However you get to a point where the frequent unavailability or unreliability of your device becomes a hindrance, especially if you rely on your device to make a living. You start to justify why you need to do this next build or try this other ROM to solve all of your problem and then everything will be ok. I promise...
One morning I looked up from a keyboard to a disturbing buzzing sound echoing through the house. It was my alarm clock. At that moment I realized that I had spent the entire night doing flash-fix-flash trying to solve a particularly annoying but admittedly minor issue. Still wearing the clothes I’d worn to work the day before I fired up the coffee pot and headed for a shower. Clearly something needed to change.
I had been watching a new phone by HTC running a different OS. It had a fresh look and a quirky chin. I was ready to take the plunge but there were carrier issues and a wife growing weary of my constant phone upgrades. So I waited. Eventually I succumb to the pull of the new and tried a flurry of phones, some android and one fruity one. My biggest accomplishment with the fruit phone was not breaking it before it was returned. Most frustrating week of my life.
Anyway I eventually moved to Android and everything was grand. Shiny new hardware, a fresh OS and no more ROM of the week. Soon though my hardware was no longer shiny and the OS was no longer fresh. Not unexpectedly the community on XDA had grown rapidly and like phones before this site enabled me to run newer software on my phone than the OEM or my carrier dared to allow. Then came mods, and ROMS and kitchens and before I knew it I was back to Flash-Fix-Flash. Things would be better this time though. I knew it would be. I willed it to be. Between work and family who had time to learn all of those new technologies and techniques anyway.
I’d come full circle.
About that time the second wave of hardware for the newly born Windows Phone started to become available. It turned out to be a good match. A unique and fluid user experience, features that you still can’t find on other platforms and no Flash-Fix-Flash. I was content for a long time to use a WP device as my daily driver and just tinker on Android when the itch was too much to bear.
Unfortunately this couldn’t last. MS has systematically removed any features that are unique or useful and their latest effort WP10 is particularly disheartening as it removes the last of the unique features and offers little more than the WP launcher and a fairly polished experience in return. I relegated my WP device to work and started carrying an Android device as a personal phone to start catching up on where the community had progressed to. This was equally disheartening as Android is just as disjointed a user experience as it has been for years. Yes there are great things about Android. There are great things about windows too. If I could get the polished user experience of WP with the flexibility and app playground of Android on descent hardware I’d be a content man. Sadly it’s not an option. I can have polish or flexibility but apparently not both.
For the first time in over a decade I find myself without a shining star in the mobile arena. No piece of hardware or software that just grabs me as a gotta have device. I look at the variety of phones currently sitting on my desk and they all have something the other is missing. This isn’t a flagship phone dilemma or a desire for some obscure hardware or software feature. I accept tradeoffs, this is about the whole experience. There’s no vision for how a phone achieves its potential, at least none obviously trying to reach that potential. Android continues to improve behind the scenes but there’s nothing new or exciting coming to the OS much less anything addressing its long time flaws. What good are a great hardware selection and more fart apps than you can shake a stick at if the underlying UX is just blah? In contrast Microsoft is trying to become irrelevant by moving to be as bland and vanilla as possible while not addressing its main shortcomings such as app development and hardware selection.
I’m not trying to fire up any trolls or other heated discussions. I’m just a man on a journey wondering whether something fun is around the corner. It appears not.