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hey just surfing the net seeing if any1 got some news on 2.2 and found this
http://www.articlesbase.com/cell-ph...-android-22-and-nexus-2-on-may-9-2404154.html
i think it was meant to say may 19th
but still there saying nexus 2 will be talked about
i highly doubt it since there has been no convos about the nexus 2 (apart from the shadow pics posted in feb)
anyway thought i would post it up
I don't think Google will venture into new cell phones for another year...
The article is nowhere near serious.
That article has no sourcing for anything it purports. Just wait a couple hours
i live in Aust how many hours to go
This has to be the most unreliable source posted. There are more errors in that than a second grader writing a Mother's Day card.
however serious the article is...... if Nexus 2 is gng to be from Motorola....it will be the biggest(the biggggeeeeest) disaster for google due to the arrogant behaviour of Motorola towards Android and its locked down bootloader and highly secured digital signature verification methods used in Motorola Milestone.
if the same they are going to use in Nexus 2, thats it.....google will never be able to recover in market...already motorola has seen the negative effect with Milestone....
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however serious the article is...... if Nexus 2 is gng to be from Motorola....it will be the biggest(the biggggeeeeest) disaster for google due to the arrogant behaviour of Motorola towards Android and its locked down bootloader and highly secured digital signature verification methods used in Motorola Milestone.
if the same they are going to use in Nexus 2, thats it.....google will never be able to recover in market...already motorola has seen the negative effect with Milestone....
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While I agree that locking things down sucks for those that want to "hack" things, it has worked in the past. Look at Microsoft and iPhone; in the end, they end up being more stable and this results in lower costs due to tech calls.
The playing field for Android is changing. They are trying to keep those that want to hack the phones open to do so but without losing money. The Nexus One is a prime example. If Motorola was granted the same rights as HTC (to deny warranty on unlocked phones), they will jump on-board.
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chowdarygm said:
however serious the article is...... if Nexus 2 is gng to be from Motorola....it will be the biggest(the biggggeeeeest) disaster for google due to the arrogant behaviour of Motorola towards Android and its locked down bootloader and highly secured digital signature verification methods used in Motorola Milestone.
if the same they are going to use in Nexus 2, thats it.....google will never be able to recover in market...already motorola has seen the negative effect with Milestone....
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Since the thread moved to speculations about Nexus 2, let me remind: Nexus One wasn't meant to be a good selling phone, it's a developer phone, and that's why it's coming vanilla and has easy unlock. Nexus 2 isn't going to be any different, Google won't upset Open Handset Alliance partners and compete with them. Google isn't trying to get a market share!
And in Google phones, no matter who creates them, Google defines the options. And firmware options, of course, too.
chowdarygm said:
however serious the article is...... if Nexus 2 is gng to be from Motorola....it will be the biggest(the biggggeeeeest) disaster for google due to the arrogant behaviour of Motorola towards Android and its locked down bootloader and highly secured digital signature verification methods used in Motorola Milestone.
if the same they are going to use in Nexus 2, thats it.....google will never be able to recover in market...already motorola has seen the negative effect with Milestone....
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The Droid has been a HUGE success for Motorola and Android
Also the Droid doesn't have a locked bootloader, can you explain why?
Just FYI: I got off the phone with a bud of mine that works at Motorola. To be honest the reason I called him was I wanted the XML set for the Bionic and I was hoping he could slip it to me so I could get us setup.
To my dismay... he said this:
Ever since the thing with Google was announced EVERYTHING is on lockdown. There is no more swapping motorola devices back and forth between various project developers, everyone can only work on the devices they are assigned and the sensitive stuff is not allowed off site anymore.
Used to be he would come over to my house and unlock my bootloader. Not anymore.
So we can all thank Google for the tightened security at Motorola. Thanks G!
Interesting.
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Well that sucks. Love for Google circling the drain along with VZW and electronic freedom :-(
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I would imagine they'd fire your friend or worse for what he's doing. I'm assuming they didn't know he was going out and unlocking BL's etc?
My thoughts are, with the patent wars, Google is trying to cover their ass right now. Until the proposed deal is approved, they are wanting to make sure that nothing slips thru the cracks that could be harmful to their cause in the hands of the opposition. Not to mention, they probably have some new devices in testing along with new hardware components that would be in Google's best interest not to have leaked until they are certified by the FCC. I am going to have to give Google the benefit of the doubt, and say until the deal is approved, they are doing what they can to cover their asses.
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My thoughts are, with the patent wars, Google is trying to cover their ass right now. Until the proposed deal is approved, they are wanting to make sure that nothing slips thru the cracks that could be harmful to their cause in the hands of the opposition. Not to mention, they probably have some new devices in testing along with new hardware components that would be in Google's best interest not to have leaked until they are certified by the FCC. I am going to have to give Google the benefit of the doubt, and say until the deal is approved, they are doing what they can to cover their asses.
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+1, In the world of business mergers and acquisitions, things get put on lockdown during transfer of ownership....Lets hope things get better once the deal is done.
If it was Google's fault, the Nexus' and Honeycomb tablets would be locked down. Just my opinion.
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If it was Google's fault, the Nexus' and Honeycomb tablets would be locked down. Just my opinion.
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+1 I think this has more to do with VZW than google....
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If it was Google's fault, the Nexus' and Honeycomb tablets would be locked down. Just my opinion.
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The Nexus devices are developers phones and the only Moto HC tablet is also a dev device. Not saying it is Google's fault, but it certainly still is a possibility. I personally believe it's the fascist ************s at VZW, and Moto is their lapdog.
That is the point. I would believe, Google would prefer a 'pure' experience on all devices. But, to convince manufacturers to build devices they let them skin it to personalize the experience. Expecting people to buy for their experience, not only their hardware.
I owned an Atrix (still do, but haven't been keeping up 100% lately and just switched to bionic) and if I remember correctly, the moto-google deal wasn't until a fair bit after the release of the Atrix and the unlock of the atrix came after the deal news first broke. I'm not saying this is necessarily proof of anything, but it's the opposite of what one would expect if the info in the OP is true.
Hasn't moto been kind of known for being a pain in the ass about locked bootloaders? I remember a lot of people had very little hope for the atrix being unlocked because of previous devices that never saw a full unlock.
http://www.bgr.com/2012/01/02/droid...-to-be-discontinued-in-january-report-claims/
How is it going to affect our phone and service? I had a D1 before the upgrade (a short while ago). As far as I can remember, D1 didn't reach that mark somewhere 1 year or more after its inception. Anyway, how do you feel about this if it turns out to be true?
Thank you.
I like my phone and with Hash porting ICS, it is even sweeter. Who cares?
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My old phone was the Droid Eris, which received its 2.1 upgrade after it stopped selling and has received two security updates since, including one in March 2011, about one year after the Eris went EOL.
So far the rumors have said that the D4 would come December 8, then December 22, now February 2. I tend to trust rumors only after they come true. In any case, the Droid X got its GB update after EOL, as did the D2, so EOL doesn't mean much anyway, unless, of course, you want to buy another.
We knew the d4 was coming so this is old news.This doesn't mean its end of support.
What does "all of Verizon's 4G LTE Hotspots to be discontinued" mean? As in, your 4G device cannot act as a hot-spot any longer? At first glance, it sounded like they were shutting down all their 4G connections, haha.
So now that the D3 is "retired" does that mean if I get a replacement under warranty it'll be a Droid 4 or something else?
I swore off Samsung after the Fascinate. Their software was god awful and their support was terrible. But since then, they've taken so many steps in the right direction. TouchWiz4 is actually pretty fantastic, and they're the fastest with updates now. Not only that, but they've left their bootloaders unlocked and are very dev friendly.
Motorola, on the other hand, has been on a downward spiral since the Droid. When I first saw the Droid 3, I was expecting a slow, bulky phone with terrible software, an awful keyboard, and a fugly screen. But I was wrong. I thought they were turning things around, I fell in love with the phone, and I sprung for it. The phone was beautifully designed, with a great keyboard, thin profile, and it was paired with shockingly nice software. It was fast, and is still Verizon's best 3G phone. They were promising unlocked bootloaders and quick updates.
Yet here we are, less than 6 months later. It has only seen one update. And it's successor is already finalized and ready to be released. Motorola wasn't expecting the phone to be so wildly popular(it was the 2nd or 3rd top selling Android smartphone), and they were desperate to get a 4G version out. They've completely forgotten about the Droid 3 and are giving it's owners the middle finger. And they're doing the same to Bionic owners with the Razr and Razr owners with the Maxx(aka Droid X3.)
So, unless they turn things around like Samsung, this was my last Motorola phone. This is my 5th or 6th Droid 3 and, thankfully, Verizon gave me an early upgrade for my troubles, so I'm getting a Galaxy Nexus very soon. I'm done with Moto's BS.
This phone is only something to hold me over until T-Mobile goes away. Even then, I will use it on VZW until it either falls apart or becomes completely irrelevant. Somehow, I don't think either of those things will happen too soon, unless I drop it repeatedly on pavement lol. It's already been dropped, before I bought it from craigslist, and still looks fine
After we go back to VZW, I may contemplate getting the D4, but it doesn't look as good as the D3 IMO.
Lyxdeslic said:
What does "all of Verizon's 4G LTE Hotspots to be discontinued" mean? As in, your 4G device cannot act as a hot-spot any longer? At first glance, it sounded like they were shutting down all their 4G connections, haha.
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More likely they are coming out with a complete new line of MiFi and USB devices.
fairplay89 said:
So now that the D3 is "retired" does that mean if I get a replacement under warranty it'll be a Droid 4 or something else?
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Since VZW is still selling reconditioned Droid R2D2 units right now, and have put in place a trade-in program when you buy a new phone, I have a strange feeling that they will have quite an inventory of reconditioned D3s to send out in these cases. Also, Moto can still manufacture a few - VZW just won't be selling them new.
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Yet here we are, less than 6 months later. It has only seen one update.
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That's one more update that the Fascinate saw in six months, IIRC. And just about the same as the Thunderbolt, or the Inc 2, for that matter. As far as what the phone is designed to do with GB, is there something in software that needs to be updated on the D3 right now? (Well, actually, I'd love some of the Tasker-like battery saving stuff in the Razr...)
And it's successor is already finalized and ready to be released. Motorola wasn't expecting the phone to be so wildly popular(it was the 2nd or 3rd top selling Android smartphone), and they were desperate to get a 4G version out.
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Remember that Motorola does not decide which phone Verizon sells - Verizon decides that. Thinking back on the history of the keyboard Droid line, the D2 came out about 10 months after the D1. I am sure that Verizon was eager to get a D3 in house in about the same amount of time; I am also sure that they would have loved having it with LTE, but the reality is that Motorola was struggling with LTE (witness the Bionic's long delay and complete redesign). So, Verizon ordered the D3 for July - 10 months after the D2 launch, with a reliable 3G radio and pretty darned good hardware for the time (I think I would have preferred 1 GB of RAM, gut 512 MB isn't terrible.)
Now that LTE is more widespread, Verizon obviously thinks of it as a competitive advantage over other carriers, it sort of makes sense that they want an LTE Droid keyboard phone to carry on. I think that this six/seven month difference (we are still waiting for the D4) is just a one-time thing because of the launch of LTE - I think that a presumed D5 will come out closer to the end of 2012 than toward the middle.
Well, maybe until they come out with 5G networking in about ten years or so...
They've completely forgotten about the Droid 3 and are giving it's owners the middle finger. And they're doing the same to Bionic owners with the Razr and Razr owners with the Maxx(aka Droid X3.)
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I still don't see how coming out with new lines is giving existing owners a middle finger, but whatever...I'd say that if the D3 never gets another software update, and doesn't get ICS, I'll agree with you, but we are, I think, months away from that being a decision that can be made. (And I think that D3 runs just fine on GB. There are some cool features in ICS, but they are not exactly killer cool features compared with GB in my opinion.)
So, unless they turn things around like Samsung, this was my last Motorola phone. This is my 5th or 6th Droid 3 and, thankfully, Verizon gave me an early upgrade for my troubles, so I'm getting a Galaxy Nexus very soon. I'm done with Moto's BS.
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Good luck with the Nexus - it sounds like a great phone.
The D3 is definitely my last Moto phone for a while, unless they drastically change the way they do things. This device on it's current version of GB is still loaded with tons of known bugs and issues, and Motorola isn't doing a damn thing about it. When the D4 comes out, then it is even more unlikely to get updated. Add in the unwillingness to unlock bootloaders and you have your answer.
The people making the decisions at Motorola are a bunch of pretentious a-holes who think their large market share will last forever, but it won't.
This phone is frickin' sweet with ICS. I think it'll keep me happy for quite some time...unless it breaks that is. EOL? Meh.
After reading all these replies, my concern comes down to this: what is the likelihood verizon and motto stop supporting this phone after it reaches to mark? Supporting means OTA first, ICS next.
As far as the phone is concerned, I LOVE it. I think it offers better value than D4 in terms of cost ($40 at costco), scalability (removable battery), and option to use XT883 radio.
I think verizon and motto probably realize there are some un-intended values bundled in D3, that's why they are anxious to put the label on it just 6 months after its inception.
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After reading all these replies, my concern comes down to this: what is the likelihood verizon and motto stop supporting this phone after it reaches to mark? Supporting means OTA first, ICS next.
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Considering that they just released a security update for the D1, and that the DX received a GB update, as did the D2, both over a year after they were released - I think it's pretty likely that there will be at least security updates going forward, perhaps GB updates to 2.3.7 if they decide not to do ICS. But, we'll see...
So I work at Sprint and we finally had a Motorola Representative come down and speak to use (we sell the Photon Q which is like the droid 4 with a bigger screen). I told him about my experiences with the Droid 3 and what we were doing here. I told him about XDA's shared hatred towards Sanjay and he said he understood. He basically admitted that the Droid 3 should have never happened and that the Droid 4 was already practically made when the Droid 3 was being sold, basically because they already dumped money in to the droid 3 so they had to unload it on the consumer (Sanjay's fault). Some of the positive things he mentioned was that with the new leadership, updates are going to happen much more often and that flagship phones won't have 59 variations. Motorola will also start keeping it's promise to keep phone's up to date for 18 months as well.
I asked him about the bootloader blog debacle and he basically said that Verizon came in and put their foot down, which made them not follow through on what they said was going to happen. Actually in the end he said 90% of things are Verizon's fault (I wouldn't doubt it). They do have a huge advertising campaign that is practically paid for by Verizon, Verizon uses that to their advantage and blackmails them to do their bidding. He also mentioned that alot of his fellow employees are hoping that Google can strong arm Verizon into sitting the %#@& down and getting over themselves, allowing them to do a signed bootloader unlocking. He says that it should allow you to register your phone's ESN to MotoDev and it would then send a message back to the Verizon that the warranty is void but it would allow people to unlock the bootloader. Hardware warranty will still be covered by Moto, just not through Verizon and Asurion (unless you pay a deposit) There are a lot of angry sales people who do not like to sell Motorola phones due to their bloatware and locked boot-loader practices and Motorola knows that it isn't good for sales. He says the most common notes he sends back to HQ usually contain something about the bootloader, less motoblur, and death to Sanjay.
If you have any questions I can try to get in contact with him and see what else he has to say or if I asked him a question I forgot to put it in this post I can answer it. I grilled him for an hour.
Holy crap thanks. I hope they update us.
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Wow. So does this mean there is still hope yet?
Nope. It means that this phone is forgotten but future devices starting next quarter will be supported much better. Sorry.
This seems to confirm what we've believed all along - that the D3 was awkwardly released, from a point of view of timing; that Verizon had the contractual ability to prevent Moto from unlocking bootloaders on these phones.
"Death to Sanjay" seems silly at this point - the guy's been gone for more than 6 months.
Well, poo. Guess I better be saving money for an S3. Or maybe the S4.
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This seems to confirm what we've believed all along - that the D3 was awkwardly released, from a point of view of timing; that Verizon had the contractual ability to prevent Moto from unlocking bootloaders on these phones.
"Death to Sanjay" seems silly at this point - the guy's been gone for more than 6 months.
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Well Death to Sanjay was the most common note this year, and I still hold him accountable for our droid 3's.
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Well, poo. Guess I better be saving money for an S3. Or maybe the S4.
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Wait for the S4. The S4 will be out sometime in April and will have a 1080p screen, rumored to have no bezel (edge to edge display), quadcore and the unbreakable flex display, and a 13mp camera. Samsung is seriously going after the iphone with this one. This is the one I am saving for but I will end up going to Sprint due to Verizon's data plans.
Yeah, I was thinking that as well. But I'd be buying full retail.
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Yeah, I was thinking that as well. But I'd be buying full retail.
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Ugh I know how that is. It's why I got a job with Sprint. Likely you can get the S3 for 200 somewhere after Christmas.
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jesusishere said:
Ugh I know how that is. It's why I got a job with Sprint. Likely you can get the S3 for 200 somewhere after Christmas.
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That would be awesome.
It sounds like the future at Motorola will be a lot better. We've already seen the fast updates for the Razr HD and M, hopefully Motorola gets the update out to their late 2011 phones as well.
I'm looking at getting the Razr M as my phone when I can upgrade in early 2013 unless something better comes out, since its one of the few phones without a huge screen. Its already got JB and Hash has safestrap working on it, so there will be some dev support. I'll keep my Droid 3 as a spare VZW phone and to mess around with ROMs on.
It is entirely too unweildy for me for everyday usage.
Basic things like it not fitting in the cup holder or the dedicated cellphone pocket in my truck, not to mention being very afraid of dropping it because of the slick sides and back.
1" smaller and I'd be in love (that's not what she said)
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It is entirely too unweildy for me for everyday usage.
Basic things like it not fitting in the cup holder or the dedicated cellphone pocket in my truck, not to mention being very afraid of dropping it because of the slick sides and back.
1" smaller and I'd be in love (that's not what she said)
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The Nexus 5 sounds like it would be the perfect device for you. It will give you the Nexus experience, runs on Lollipop now, early updates, and it is still officially supported by Google. I upgraded my Nexus 5 to Lollipop and runs great on it. Unfortunately now, it is retired to its box as a backup
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The Nexus 5 sounds like it would be the perfect device for you. It will give you the Nexus experience, runs on Lollipop now, early updates, and it is still officially supported by Google. I upgraded my Nexus 5 to Lollipop and runs great on it. Unfortunately now, it is retired to its box as a backup
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Agreed, except I'm on Verizon.
AT&T and TMo are not sufficient for my coverage needs.
Back to my Moto X (2013) for now.
Hopefully, they release a "N6 Minus" (hahaha)
If anyone in Houston wants a 1 day old N6, I'll happily sell it at cost rather than return it to Google Play.
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It is entirely too unweildy for me for everyday usage.
Basic things like it not fitting in the cup holder or the dedicated cellphone pocket in my truck, not to mention being very afraid of dropping it because of the slick sides and back.
1" smaller and I'd be in love (that's not what she said)
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Why not get a new truck?
Witek_M said:
Why not get a new truck?
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and he can upgrade his dainty girly hands lol
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The Nexus 5 sounds like it would be the perfect device for you. It will give you the Nexus experience, runs on Lollipop now, early updates, and it is still officially supported by Google. I upgraded my Nexus 5 to Lollipop and runs great on it. Unfortunately now, it is retired to its box as a backup
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My nexus 5 is also back in its original box.
Since you are with Verizon, why not get the Droid Turbo? Seems like a solid upgrade from the Moto X (2013) and it's easily one of the best phones you can get on Verizon.
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Since you are with Verizon, why not get the Droid Turbo? Seems like a solid upgrade from the Moto X (2013) and it's easily one of the best phones you can get on Verizon.
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I would highly advise against this. The turbo has a ton of bugs as of right now. May become better over time but it is a flawed device.
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I would highly advise against this. The turbo has a ton of bugs as of right now. May become better over time but it is a flawed device.
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Bugs such as what? Linus released a video and his biggest complaint was the camera with moving action.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIInLiej680&list=UUXuqSBlHAE6Xw-yeJA0Tunw
Although, I will say this... if development such as ROM or kernel development is important then Droid Turbo is not the way to go because Verizon devices tend to be very locked down (with the exception of Nexus devices... but then again VZW proved us wrong on the Galaxy Nexus and released no details about N6 yet other that they're having it on their network)
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Agreed, except I'm on Verizon.
AT&T and TMo are not sufficient for my coverage needs.
Back to my Moto X (2013) for now.
Hopefully, they release a "N6 Minus" (hahaha)
If anyone in Houston wants a 1 day old N6, I'll happily sell it at cost rather than return it to Google Play.
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I'm in okc. Would you be willing to ship? If we do it over PayPal there is a claims resolution. I've used it to get back cash from a crappy sale. I think this is how it goes.
1. I pay you over PayPal
2. You ship with signature confirmation to prove shipment and protect yourself.
We could also use Google wallet if you prefer, but i don't know how that might work.
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Bugs such as what? Linus released a video and his biggest complaint was the camera with moving action.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIInLiej680&list=UUXuqSBlHAE6Xw-yeJA0Tunw
Although, I will say this... if development such as ROM or kernel development is important then Droid Turbo is not the way to go because Verizon devices tend to be very locked down (with the exception of Nexus devices... but then again VZW proved us wrong on the Galaxy Nexus and released no details about N6 yet other that they're having it on their network)
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Screen brightness is terrible, speaker volume is a joke, battery life is abysmal, quick charging is as fast as regular charging, phone gets ridiculously hot, some users including myself and on the Verge experience terrible screen scrolling lag, you can't remove the Google search bar which is persistent on every screen, camera is very slow.
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You can't remove the Google search bar which is persistent on every screen
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It's been this way in stock Android since Jelly Bean, so nothing new...I actually like having it
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Agreed, except I'm on Verizon.
AT&T and TMo are not sufficient for my coverage needs.
Back to my Moto X (2013) for now.
Hopefully, they release a "N6 Minus" (hahaha)
If anyone in Houston wants a 1 day old N6, I'll happily sell it at cost rather than return it to Google Play.
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what color is it?
Blue 32gb.
roadratx said:
Agreed, except I'm on Verizon.
AT&T and TMo are not sufficient for my coverage needs.
Back to my Moto X (2013) for now.
Hopefully, they release a "N6 Minus" (hahaha)
If anyone in Houston wants a 1 day old N6, I'll happily sell it at cost rather than return it to Google Play.
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The Nexus 6 mini is already out. It's the Moto X (2014)
Did you buy through Motorola or the play store? Why not get your money back and buy the new moto x outright. Sounds like exactly what you're wanting from the nexus, plus it got lollipop already before any other carrier version. What bizarre world did I wake up in today?
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