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I'm starting a new thread for discussion focused on development of the linux kernel and android porting. The thread we've been using recently was started by xmoo, who is no longer involved. Another thread started by tuxhero is focused only on his personal project and a lot of user support, so we need a more technical thread.
I'll jazz it up a bit when I get time.
Here's a first contribution.
We don't have enough buttons on the Blackstone. All the builds so far have 4 (receiver up, home, back and receiver down, as per the icons on the bottom of the device). Android is easier to use with a menu button too, so here's a kernel where the bottom row is remapped to 5 buttons. Imagine instead of the 4 icons you have five, with MENU in the middle. The others are shifted outwards slightly to make room for the "invisible" menu button. It's not an ideal solution, but I got used to it pretty quickly.
Instructions: whatever build you're using, unzip and replace the zImage file on the SD card with this one (tested on the 0.2 build from tuxhero's thread)
Hope more techies join this thread to get the desired results.
Personally I'm waiting to see if Tuxhero is actually going to solve any of the hardware problems. I'm open minded about this, on the one hand his previous grand claims came to nothing. On the other hand, he can clearly hack kernel and probably hack android so perhaps there are great things to come. I'd like to see more than a kernel and android build borrowed from other people's projects, or at least if he's going to rebadge open source products, to adhere to the GPL by releasing his sources so others can learn from them. One thing he might need to consider is whether Google's lawyers, in the light of the Cyanogen case, will be happy with him accepting donations while redistributing their IP.
at least he renamed the "name" of this release from "vogue linux" to "blackstone linux"..
was funny to read that..
That's nice guys. Wait i will post link to your thread and get more people to you.
I really like it guy. If i don't see all this crap then i will sleep peace fully now that ur there to keep me
reminded abt my project and get me back to work on my project. Please don't stop guys because you are the reason for my work.
Beautiful. I will try that 5btn mapping, didn't even think it was possible, thanks!
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Personally I'm waiting to see if Tuxhero is actually going to solve any of the hardware problems. I'm open minded about this, on the one hand his previous grand claims came to nothing. On the other hand, he can clearly hack kernel and probably hack android so perhaps there are great things to come. I'd like to see more than a kernel and android build borrowed from other people's projects, or at least if he's going to rebadge open source products, to adhere to the GPL by releasing his sources so others can learn from them. One thing he might need to consider is whether Google's lawyers, in the light of the Cyanogen case, will be happy with him accepting donations while redistributing their IP.
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When i want to start every thing from beginning you are the one who shouted at me now when i accepted my mistake and joined other dev and working together and using old work you are the one shouting again. Are you mentally retarded?
What's ur problem patp? My donation? My Kernel? My Android? My Project?
What the hell is your porblem.
Woah woah woah. Guy's atleast we've seen dome decent progress from Tux aha!
I don't know Tux very well. But he's a very hardworking person, he also contributes a lot to this forum and i'm sure some others too.
i saw in the last project he had how much people like you flamed him, me and a lot of other people stood by him and saw progress, so i'll carry on sticking by him.
Finding funny things to read? aha how pathetic, i'd like to see someone who has never made a mistake of some sort.
The only mistake Tux actually made was releasing android beta in a community where people like you can get to it. However, me, like most other people are thankful for his work, if you don't like it, ignore it, don't joke and flame about it.
Keep up with the good work Tux.
From my opinion, tuxhere is the ONLY reason andorid is working on blackstone. Other teams tried, HE DID IT!
I'm very glad and proud of his project and i think he is the track we need to follow and help.
Tuxhero, you have my entire support.
For all others, i think we can all help and learn but we can't say bad things about tuxhero and his work because when i tmatters to android in blackstone, he is the man!
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Woah woah woah. Guy's atleast we've seen dome decent progress from Tux aha!
I don't know Tux very well. But he's a very hardworking person, he also contributes a lot to this forum and i'm sure some others too.
i saw in the last project he had how much people like you flamed him, me and a lot of other people stood by him and saw progress, so i'll carry on sticking by him.
Finding funny things to read? aha how pathetic, i'd like to see someone who has never made a mistake of some sort.
The only mistake Tux actually made was releasing android beta in a community where people like you can get to it. However, me, like most other people are thankful for his work, if you don't like it, ignore it, don't joke and flame about it.
Keep up with the good work Tux.
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+1 to DanMccoy1, my support goes to TuxHero too, no offense to patp but I think you are diverting from the topic of your own thread. Neither google nor you or anyone can stop me supporting or donating to TuxHero. If your thread becomes fruitful then I may support/donate you too..
Be cool
I don't like the "fifth invisible button" solution, it's not elegant.
Imho the long press solution tux proposed is better.
Flaming is not the way to have android working on our device...
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Personally I'm waiting to see if Tuxhero is actually going to solve any of the hardware problems. I'm open minded about this, on the one hand his previous grand claims came to nothing. On the other hand, he can clearly hack kernel and probably hack android so perhaps there are great things to come. I'd like to see more than a kernel and android build borrowed from other people's projects, or at least if he's going to rebadge open source products, to adhere to the GPL by releasing his sources so others can learn from them. One thing he might need to consider is whether Google's lawyers, in the light of the Cyanogen case, will be happy with him accepting donations while redistributing their IP.
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Nice mood you bring in here.
I don't know you, but reading your story you seem a bit frustrated.
And by the way, XDA is all about accepting donations while redistributing stuff....Are you going to warn all the cooks to..c'mon dude..
So i wish you a happy time and good luck in your own topic here.
He's leading the way for other developers too. In an open community like this you can't work against eachother all the time. Tuxhero is trying to bury the waraxe, but patp seem to continue beeing an asshole. Hope it gets sorted out real quick, wouldn't have any of the project dying due to some idiotic personal conflict.
patp atleast from day 1 i am trying to do something and never give up but what u did?
come to xda ones every day post some crap and get away but me i say online on xda 90% of my time i work on this project 80% of my time even in office i work on this project keeping it hide from my boss. When u did some thing then do post some time. If i see another post from you about me then my actions will be very very serious.
Thanks For The +1 pkshr
All im getting from this is how jealous patp is that Tux carried on with his own 'personal project' and succeeded.
patp, if i was you i'd stop it now before i made even more of a fool of myself in front of more people, because people are going to read this, and you may have the odd person that dislikes Tux that flames him for you, but theres always going to be the majority of people backing Tux on anything he does for this community.
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patp atleast from day 1 i am trying to do something and never give up but what u did?
come to xda ones every day post some crap and get away but me i say online on xda 90% of my time i work on this project 80% of my time even in office i work on this project keeping it hide from my boss. When u did some thing then do post some time. If i see another post from you about me then my actions will be very very serious.
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chill dude..
u know now tht there are many more supporters to u thn agnst u...
so why care abt the lesser majority..
if somebody has a prblm let him have it..
why to let it bother u...
u know ur goal.. achieve it...
who cares abt others...
they like it ----> OK
they dont like it ---> OK..
cheers'
chetan
If you look in the dictionary, you will a very suitable word for this kind of human behaviour. It's called....Jealousy.
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patp atleast from day 1 i am trying to do something and never give up but what u did?
come to xda ones every day post some crap and get away but me i say online on xda 90% of my time i work on this project 80% of my time even in office i work on this project keeping it hide from my boss. When u did some thing then do post some time. If i see another post from you about me then my actions will be very very serious.
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Dude, FFS! If there were not for guru's like cr2 among others, we would not have any sound on our Blackstone today.
Still, hats of for the releases u have made. Like patp i'm waiting for the next release. Good to see that u are sharing code and progress with the other devs nowadays.
Sorry patp for filling this new dev thread with bull, just wanted to say my opinion.
cvchetan said:
chill dude..
u know now tht there are many more supporters to u thn agnst u...
so why care abt the lesser majority..
if somebody has a prblm let him have it..
why to let it bother u...
u know ur goal.. achieve it...
who cares abt others...
they like it ----> OK
they dont like it ---> OK..
cheers'
chetan
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You are correct chetan. But this guy twist words very nicely what ever i do that is wrong for him. what i understood from his words is he want me to close project,thread everything and go away i think he is not happy to see Android running on Blackstone many he works for Microsoft.
Hello everyone..
This I thought was something important that I decided to put in the theme thread since the above mentioned developer has had such an impact in the theming world.
So I was talking to cacheinjection just a few minutes ago on gtalk, and he unfortunately told me to let the xda community know that he will be leaving the android theming for a while.
He gave the reason as he was getting very busy with his job, and so does not have that much time right now(which i'm sure is true for most android developers since we can't be on xda all day every day), and also he expressed his discontent at people's lack of appreciation for all that he did/has been doing. He has been quite a revolutionary themer and most people would agree with me that the new things that he brought to the android scene, along with the help of other great developers: freekyfrogy and djosiah, made us love our g1's/mytouch 3g's all over again. With my time being on xda, I have seen this too many times where some ppl on xda actually end up pushing developers away because they do not realize that all developers have lives apart from the work they do for free for the xda community. I think it goes without saying that we as an xda community should show our appreciation to developers, as our way of saying thank you for taking time out of their day.
Excerpts from Conversation:
Cacheinjection: I feel pretty s*** about Android atm...People always want stuff, and never give anything back, not even thanks really. So I think I might give it up. I had a good run.
Cacheinjection: I think it might be very soon cos I don't see people caring anymore.
Cacheinjection: All people do is moan cos I haven't [done a specific thing]. F*** it. I'll just make my own fone pretty.
Cacheinjection: I have a pretty awesome job, I just like people to appreciate that I put my heart and soul into the stuff
Cacheinjection: It seems to me that if you need to tell people to appreciate what you do, they don't appreciate it
Cacheinjection: Let ppl know that I am taking a bit of time off of theme development. Things will get updated as and when..and I'll continue my work with Super D with Ben.
So there it is guys. If I were you, I would go over to his page, and to the pages of as many developers as you can find, and let them know how much you appreciate them. A donation never hurts either, if they have it on their page. So that's it. Just letting people know. Don't let any more developers make this decision also. Let them know you care. Thanks.
Shouldn't be to much of a surprise though, the things he say are pretty true though.
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Shouldn't be to much of a surprise though, the things he say are pretty true though.
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Very true. Also, I feel even worse for the Devs, they aren't that much more appreciated either! They make wonderful Roms and include awesome instructions yet people ask questions that are already answered and demand more and more and more. I don't know how some of them (including themers) put up with everything. Reading the posts people make in Rom threads make me go They want this, that, etc etc etc!
If only people took some more effort into doing some stuff themselves or even learning the basics, it would probably reduce a lot of these issues. I love when I see a theme release and people just ask for different stuff when they can do it themselves lol, I wonder if they even know how much time this stuff takes. I also don't think most of the people understand or know a thing about the Roms, other then flashing it! Which leads to more demands and devs that have to deal with it!
Just another example of a great developer being pushed away by unappreciative idiots on this forum. It's kind of sad really, alot of people have nothing better to do but to refresh the page every 5 seconds waiting for a new update (usually for a minor bug) even though an update was released just a few days prior. Better yet, the same people will b*tch and moan if a Dev hasn't put anything out for a week, while completely disregarding the fact that people like Cache work for free despite the fact they have actual lives outside of xda. This applies for ROMS and themes.
Xda should be a pay site and I'm serious. Either subscription based or download based. If not then this site will slowly die, do you think devs will continually put up with this crap over and over again? I have no problem paying a mandatory fee for an amazing theme or ROM. Nothing major, just a few dollars but at least the devs will get some guaranteed compensation.
Hope to see you back here Cache because despite the idiots, I do know there are alot of posters that appreciate your work.
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Just another example of a great developer being pushed away by unappreciative idiots on this forum. It's kind of sad really, alot of people have nothing better to do but to refresh the page every 5 seconds waiting for a new update (usually for a minor bug) even though an update was released just a few days prior. Better yet, the same people will b*tch and moan if a Dev hasn't put anything out for a week, while completely disregarding the fact that people like Cache work for free despite the fact they have actual lives outside of xda. This applies for ROMS and themes.
Xda should be a pay site and I'm serious. Either subscription based or download based. If not then this site will slowly die, do you think devs will continually put up with this crap over and over again? I have no problem paying a mandatory fee for an amazing theme or ROM. Nothing major, just a few dollars but at least the devs will get some guaranteed compensation.
Hope to see you back here Cache because despite the idiots, I do know there are alot of posters that appreciate your work.
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Something like the membership @ modaco. People get angry when a new update doesn't come out which is ridiculous.
Cacheinjection Keep Your Head Up And I Also Want You To Know That You Are Appreciated By Me. Take As Much Time As You Need. Your Themes Are The Best And Will Always And Forever Be. Your A Tremendous Developer. Continue On Doing What You Do And Trust Me: You Will Be Missed A LOT!
Until Then...Keep Up The Marvelous Work
It seems people want things on there schedule and how they want it.. A dev developes for him/herself and then share with the community.. We shouldn't expect anything from them we should be happy that they took there time to make something for us (community)....
Appreciate you and your revolutionary designs for the Android Community... You will be missed a lot
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Something like the membership @ modaco. People get angry when a new update doesn't come out which is ridiculous.
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Ah I'd be totally down for some kind of membership/subscription here (As long as it isn't too much! Just some membership thing would be nice)
And now that you guys mention people constantly wanting updates, that reminds me of how ppl appear to go crazy when Cyanogen doesn't release an update and think he's left the project to die cause of nexus one lmao. I personally think most of us will just keep wanting updates (flashaholics!), even at the point where updates are almost no longer possible!
It's terrible how all the complainers ruin it for all the people who truly do appreciate the devs work. The lurkers like me far outnumber the haters but the fact that we lurk is probably part of the problem. We'll miss him cache's work has definitely been some of the best.....the Darkstar theme is the best thing on any cellular device to date imho.
Sorry to see him leave, he will be missed.
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F*** it. I'll just make my own fone pretty.
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this made me laugh lol...
but that fact aside...
u do amazing work...
ive been part of the android community since day 1 of the g1 being released...
i wasnt a linux geek or themeing master but i patiently waited...learned the tricks and began helping others...
it was fun to give people tips and tricks on how to do things
help run their roms on their phone when they cant anymore...
and i feel what ur saying
its hard to keep up with a community thats so young and wants everything quick...some people just dont realize the time that goes into it...
well i hope u do come back and if u keep ur themes for a select few i understand that...for peopel who donate and what not i would be more than willing to pitch in...everyone deserves payment for their work...nothing in this world is free
Sad, sad, sad...
Hope HE will be fine. It doesn't matter those people whose won't be getting his stuff, only HE matters.
So, if HE is allright, i'll be fine!
Good luck Mr.Cacheinjection!
damn this guy was my partner in crime lol. to be honest without cache here updates for elegance and darkstar will be very slow. he was the one who mostly updated these themes. its sad to see him go because he has taught me a lot and if it wasnt for his initial darkstar concept i wouldnt have gotten into themeing. hopefully he will be back sooner than we think.
@shadowch31 syaing that he 'bit off more then he chew' isnt a very fair statement to make. he chose to try and do all these things to help the community and when the community dont show appreciation they are just throwing it back in his face. im not having a go at you or anything, just thought it needed to be said.
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I feel sorry about it, but I understand him, everyone who make themes/roms, would understand it too. Actually people, who never made anything, don't realize how hard is it, and how many hours we expend on it.
I also hate when people post negative comments like: "you should post concepts, or w.i.p, ...
I hope he doesn't leave forever, or even long, becuase we need him. He's one of the best, and always a good help for people like me.
I just want to thank him for everything he has made so far.
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I would say though, shadowch31, that from all the conversations that i've had with cache, money is not his main thing for theming. The guy has a love for theming and he seems he just has a heart to share the ideas with people. Just to clear that up. What's wrong with donations anyway? More so to him? The guy has really been revolutionary with bringing new ideas to the table, and you're right..not everyone can donate, but those who can, it never hurts to send a dev some monetary thank yous. i've done so myself when i could cuz i know the time and effort it takes to make anything, from the smallest thing to the grandest. but yeah..i was just letting you know that that's not what cache is about here.
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I would say though, shadowch31, that from all the conversations that i've had with cache, money is not his main thing for theming. The guy has a love for theming and he seems he just has a heart to share the ideas with people. Just to clear that up. What's wrong with donations anyway? More so to him? The guy has really been revolutionary with bringing new ideas to the table, and you're right..not everyone can donate, but those who can, it never hurts to send a dev some monetary thank yous. i've done so myself when i could cuz i know the time and effort it takes to make anything, from the smallest thing to the grandest. but yeah..i was just letting you know that that's not what cache is about here.
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I agree, developers can sell their software in the market, themers share it here. Donations is a good way to push creators to keep working and creating.
And I think 1$ is not a big deal for anybody here, but together, it would be a nice reward for every developer.
But it's just my opinion
hey guys,
im just gonna chime in quick,
first off i wana say to shadowch31 none of this is aimed at you, you are awsome, and i dont think i would have done as much good worth without your enthusiasm.
And yeah i totaly love your british sense of humor, gtalk em if ya wana chat
yeah, this is most definitely not about money, I have a job, and that keeps me in beer and a roof over the head, in fact i was a little hesitant about adding donate links, cos i dont want people to give if they dont wana. its just about people appreciating work, also people letting us know they are still interested with what were doing, helps us know if we should continue to work on it for the comunity.
Anyway thanks for all the support, and i will be back, just having a breather.
Cache
Thanks for coming in Cache and clearing things up, I understand your words of enthusiasm a lot more than 'appreciated' but see how the two tie in.
Your right the community had somwhat abandonded Darkstar besides me and my motivational nagging and Elegance was getting the same besides the odd 'Can we have...' brigade. Gonna be sad to see you go fella but it is a well deserved break and one I understand, just looking at getting into theming myself and know it ain't gonna be a walk in the park and is gonna take a lot of time and effort. Was just gutted and upset to see such an asset to the themeing community leave and for what seemed like weak excuses but now you have explained I fully understand your decision.
I, like everyone else will miss ya fella and look forward to the day you feel like coming back and treating us all to your amazing work. Thanks for everything Cache, been a hell of a ride.
I too would like to say thanks Cache for what you've done for the community, and of course especially DarkStar.
To this date I still haven't abandoned the last update of DS that had Stericson's lockscreen lol. In fact, I'm actually keeping the theme for quite some time since SD 1.8 is stable and fast enough.
But yeah have fun with your break dude, and I look forward to your return.
As of lately our beloved forum has seen some of the worst negativity and bashing I have ever seen. I am not completely innocent in this either. I have made a couple of comments I shouldnt have made too and I apologize to whoever I may have offended. But to be honest this type of behavior and just meanness has to stop. I love XDA and everything we do but we are losing members and developers daily because of all the hate here. If you dont like a rom or whatever work has been done just please keep all the negativity to yourselves. If you have a problem with someone keep it in pm and not in their thread. We have to turn this forum around or we are setting ourselves and our phones up for doom. We have lost alot of good people and maybe if the see the drama has stopped they will come back. I too am on the fence about getting a different phone and moving on but i love this phone. I am capable of building my own roms and themes but I love having a place to share ideas and our work. I am begging my fellow XDA brothers and sisters to help in the effort to make XDA what it once was. With that being said I would like to wish all of you a Merry Christmas and joyous holiday season!
Good stuff man and you are definitely right! Lets stop the bs and get along.....merry christmas xda
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As of lately our beloved forum has seen some of the worst negativity and bashing I have ever seen. I am not completely innocent in this either. I have made a couple of comments I shouldnt have made too and I apologize to whoever I may have offended. But to be honest this type of behavior and just meanness has to stop. I love XDA and everything we do but we are losing members and developers daily because of all the hate here. If you dont like a rom or whatever work has been done just please keep all the negativity to yourselves. If you have a problem with someone keep it in pm and not in their thread. We have to turn this forum around or we are setting ourselves and our phones up for doom. We have lost alot of good people and maybe if the see the drama has stopped they will come back. I too am on the fence about getting a different phone and moving on but i love this phone. I am capable of building my own roms and themes but I love having a place to share ideas and our work. I am begging my fellow XDA brothers and sisters to help in the effort to make XDA what it once was. With that being said I would like to wish all of you a Merry Christmas and joyous holiday season!
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I agree, but it has to start with XDA being able to control this.
They need to start banning people for at least a week or something so they can learn. This is for XDA as a whole not just our community.
This is not the only place where things are getting out of hand.
People won't stop until something is done, until then there will always be someone trolling trying to get a rise out of people.
I am guilty myself of saying things I shouldn't of, but it just gets to me sometimes. Especially since I cant control it, but I at least base my opinion.
I guess we must all do our part as well and start reporting people.
I've also noticed that there is favoritism going around since some have been banned and not others that have done the same if not worse, not gonna name anyone to not start another flame war.
But that's not OK and if that's the case then there's no point on trying.
I hope everyone reads this and does their part. We have a great phone and we must stop if we want some great development to continue.
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Its gotta be a group effort or it won't change. If someone is being negative then you just ignore them and if it is offensive then report it to a mod and let them handle it. This should be said for Devs too, you dont have to respond to every negative post and get everyone riled up even more then people go to choosing sides , show a little more maturity and only answer questions pertaining to the Rom ive never seen a forum with Devs who get offended so easily .....just ignore and concentrate on the questions about development of your ROM. I hope this turns around and we have a sucessful forum once again cause this is a really great device we have
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I agree, but it has to start with XDA being able to control this.
They need to start banning people for at least a week or something so they can learn. This is for XDA as a whole not just our community.
This is not the only place where things are getting out of hand.
People won't stop until something is done, until then there will always be someone trolling trying to get a rise out of people.
I am guilty myself of saying things I shouldn't of, but it just gets to me sometimes. Especially since I cant control it, but I at least base my opinion.
I guess we must all do our part as well and start reporting people.
I've also noticed that there is favoritism going around since some have been banned and not others that have done the same if not worse, not gonna name anyone to not start another flame war.
But that's not OK and if that's the case then there's no point on trying.
I hope everyone reads this and does their part. We have a great phone and we must stop if we want some great development to continue.
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I agree with you there has to be some type of enforcement of the rules and it should be a zero tolerence. There has to be consequences for ones actions, without them members are running a muck. And they should be enforced equally no matter who it is or how popular they are. But we as members have to start this by being diligent about abiding to the rules and reporting those who dont follow them.
I agree ...
Although it is not actual "Negativity" or "bashing" that actually starts most of the trouble ...
It is the fact that , it has become the norm, for people to come here and expect to be spoon fed answers, and if they don't get them, they get upset.
XDA is first and foremost, or at least it was, a development community.
Now what does that mean to the end users, well, it means, you should come here to learn and if you have something to share, to participate.
If you are just coming here to "expect" everyone to feed you the answers just so you can pimp out your phone, that is not what it is about ..
READ READ READ, then you can ask better questions.
I am sure the DEVs and most experienced users here get annoyed, with every right, when people ask the same question , OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER, when with a little reading they could have solved it themselves.
I hope everyone has a great holiday season!!!
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I agree ...
Although it is not actual "Negativity" or "bashing" that actually starts most of the trouble ...
It is the fact that , it has become the norm, for people to come here and expect to be spoon fed answers, and if they don't get them, they get upset.
XDA is first and foremost, or at least it was, a development community.
Now what does that mean to the end users, well, it means, you should come here to learn and if you have something to share, to participate.
If you are just coming here to "expect" everyone to feed you the answers just so you can pimp out your phone, that is not what it is about ..
READ READ READ, then you can ask better questions.
I am sure the DEVs and most experienced users here get annoyed, with every right, when people ask the same question , OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER, when with a little reading they could have solved it themselves.
I hope everyone has a great holiday season!!!
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I too get annoyed when new members or even old members ask the same questions but there is a way to handle it. People are so quick to jump on someone for asking a question then everyone gets defensive and then the fun starts. With the way the threads have been lately you have to read thru 10 pages of pure and utter chaos and crap to find your answer. It does seem that those of us that have been here for awhile want to see a change. I have received alot of pm's in support. I know with some work and help from the mods we can make it the way it was. I am totally committed to this.
LONG time XDA'er here. You Mods these days are really something else. Personally this is the SECOND developer ( Dj_Steve and Mohgk ) I've seen you drive away on 2 of 2 devices in the last 3 months. Statistically you are hurting the forum more than moderating and using your common sense. That has to say something.
All you needed to do was read the threads, warn in threads, and clean up the spatter. I moderate on several other sites. This is just sad and seriously makes me think about alternatives. It been like this for the last 1.5 years here on XDA.
Had you properly moderated, you would have seen the initial posts which flamed the threads. If someone told me my work was unappreciated and garbage after I spent hours on something, I'd be a little miffed too.
In any case, great moderating. Good luck to the other upcoming Devs. Happy holidays everyone
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I think one of the main problems is that due to android's growing popularity, we're seeing a lot more ignorant douchebags in here who just want to take & not give, and who have zero knowledge of forum etiquette. I was a sidekick dev back in the day & xda is sadly starting to remind me a lot of the old Danger forums- a wild jungle of a place where you had to hack through post after post of word-vomit & ignorance before you can actually find any REAL knowledge. Yes, we need to take out the trash & start cracking down on the jackassery. Badly. I'm tired of seeing threads devolve into personal attacks & 8th grade bickering over stupid ****. Its gotten to the point where I hesitate to even post sometimes.
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I think one of the main problems is that due to android's growing popularity, we're seeing a lot more ignorant douchebags in here who just want to take & not give, and who have zero knowledge of forum etiquette. I was a sidekick dev back in the day & xda is sadly starting to remind me a lot of the old Danger forums- a wild jungle of a place where you had to hack through post after post of word-vomit & ignorance before you can actually find any REAL knowledge. Yes, we need to take out the trash & start cracking down on the jackassery. Badly. I'm tired of seeing threads devolve into personal attacks & 8th grade bickering over stupid ****. Its gotten to the point where I hesitate to even post sometimes.
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+1 I agree 100%
I also hesitate to post bc of all the dbags. I've been on xda for a good while now and I've never seen things this bad. Its really frustrating to see all this **** cuz no one behaves like this in real life. I wish ppl would just be chill and not try to be internet thugs. Any who I would really love to see this forum turn around and be more friendly and productive. Well that's my piece lol I'm down to do whatever I can to change this place.
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kabuk1 said:
I think one of the main problems is that due to android's growing popularity, we're seeing a lot more ignorant douchebags in here who just want to take & not give, and who have zero knowledge of forum etiquette. I was a sidekick dev back in the day & xda is sadly starting to remind me a lot of the old Danger forums- a wild jungle of a place where you had to hack through post after post of word-vomit & ignorance before you can actually find any REAL knowledge. Yes, we need to take out the trash & start cracking down on the jackassery. Badly. I'm tired of seeing threads devolve into personal attacks & 8th grade bickering over stupid ****. Its gotten to the point where I hesitate to even post sometimes.
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DITTO!!! Could not agree More ...
The mods just bann everyone its anoyying especialy when they dont know what happens its sad
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Good chance if we all keep talking bad about the MODs in here we will all get banned ...
Problem is HOW they select their MODs, some are great, some just won the popularity contest ....
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I agree ...
Although it is not actual "Negativity" or "bashing" that actually starts most of the trouble ...
It is the fact that , it has become the norm, for people to come here and expect to be spoon fed answers, and if they don't get them, they get upset.
XDA is first and foremost, or at least it was, a development community.
Now what does that mean to the end users, well, it means, you should come here to learn and if you have something to share, to participate.
If you are just coming here to "expect" everyone to feed you the answers just so you can pimp out your phone, that is not what it is about ..
READ READ READ, then you can ask better questions.
I am sure the DEVs and most experienced users here get annoyed, with every right, when people ask the same question , OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER, when with a little reading they could have solved it themselves.
I hope everyone has a great holiday season!!!
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+1 I know I don't know everything but I always try to use the search button to find my answers before starting a new thread or asking in the thread. I really find it annoying when someone asks a question that has been answered in the OP especially. When I do try to help I'll try to point them in the direction but not spoon feed them the link.
I remember when I used to have my Vibrant. Moderators would shut down a thread and clean up the whole thread and then re-open it later on after cleaning up all the bs. Threads still are getting cluttered up with Thank you's and downloading now posts. We have a thanks button for a reason.
Peace & love
" can't we all just get along? "
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As of lately our beloved forum has seen some of the worst negativity and bashing I have ever seen. I am not completely innocent in this either. I have made a couple of comments I shouldnt have made too and I apologize to whoever I may have offended. But to be honest this type of behavior and just meanness has to stop. I love XDA and everything we do but we are losing members and developers daily because of all the hate here. If you dont like a rom or whatever work has been done just please keep all the negativity to yourselves. If you have a problem with someone keep it in pm and not in their thread. We have to turn this forum around or we are setting ourselves and our phones up for doom. We have lost alot of good people and maybe if the see the drama has stopped they will come back. I too am on the fence about getting a different phone and moving on but i love this phone. I am capable of building my own roms and themes but I love having a place to share ideas and our work. I am begging my fellow XDA brothers and sisters to help in the effort to make XDA what it once was. With that being said I would like to wish all of you a Merry Christmas and joyous holiday season!
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Well said my friend....hence my signature.
There is enough hate in the world. Why can't we all get along here ...?
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As of lately our beloved forum has seen some of the worst negativity and bashing I have ever seen. I am not completely innocent in this either. I have made a couple of comments I shouldnt have made too and I apologize to whoever I may have offended. But to be honest this type of behavior and just meanness has to stop. I love XDA and everything we do but we are losing members and developers daily because of all the hate here. If you dont like a rom or whatever work has been done just please keep all the negativity to yourselves. If you have a problem with someone keep it in pm and not in their thread. We have to turn this forum around or we are setting ourselves and our phones up for doom. We have lost alot of good people and maybe if the see the drama has stopped they will come back. I too am on the fence about getting a different phone and moving on but i love this phone. I am capable of building my own roms and themes but I love having a place to share ideas and our work. I am begging my fellow XDA brothers and sisters to help in the effort to make XDA what it once was. With that being said I would like to wish all of you a Merry Christmas and joyous holiday season!
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I agree stop all the bs and grow up.
Agreed. It's like a Damn soap opera in this *****.
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+10000. How do we stop the idiotic few that are ruining it for the majority? Mods have a full time job.
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+10000. How do we stop the idiotic few that are ruining it for the majority? Mods have a full time job.
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Use the report button lol
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I am starting this thread because I am sick and tired of losing developers for a phone that desperately needs them. First it was the WC and BC fiasco that damn near put us out and now some person with no sense of flashing and a lack of understanding when it comes to reading directions has driven away one of our most helpful and successful developers. (WHEN YOU ARE TOLD NOT TO FLASH UNLESS YOU FULLY AND COMPLETELY KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING THEN DONT FLIPPING FLASH IT)
To make it worth while I am starting a donation thread, to reward one of the people who have busted their ass (can I say that in the forums?) to help us and give us the phone we know the VIVID should be. I realize more then just PG has done a lot for us and I hope I am not offending anyone.
To put it simple I am starting out with a personal $100 donation. It is not much but it is what I have right now. If anyone wants to flame about what I am doing here do me a favor and don't. MODS, if this turns into a bashing war I would hope for some regulation and the ultimate closure of the thread if problems arise, I am not here to make enemies.
To quote DeamonFish on IRC: "BABY COME BACK! YOU CAN BLAME IT ALL ON ME..."
I'll give 10, I know it's measly, but its all I can give without my wife noticing ; ) saving for Ireland
At this point in time I cannot donate, but I hope to soon.
PirateGhost, please, keep doing what you do. I personally enjoy your ROMs, they're absolutely Amazing.
Thanks, and I hope you reconsider.
I will contribute $20 if he decides to come back. I was very close to flashing his Ice Cream Float before the drama happened, and I want to help showing that there are some people out there who do read, listen to directions, and THINK before going on a forum.
I was and am planning on donating to PG and some of the others as well. I know PG was responsible for a lot of the good work here. The irony is that his RUU might be the one thing that actually could have saved my phone, (At least may have been.) and now it's gone, along with another talented developer. Win, lose or draw, I will donate to this cause after I get some sleep and calm down a little bit.
What others did TO THEIR OWN PHONE and blamed PG was just plain stupid. I'll be donating.
There was a fair warning from the very beginning..
I'll donate. I just need to transfer some funds to my PayPal first.
PG and the other devs left for different reasons but I can pretty surely say that money is not the problem. They did all this developing from free will, not for donations. If PG does come back, he'll just get hit with the same bull**** he's been having to deal with these past few days. I'm just not sure raising money is the right way to go.
We (as in the Vivid forum) were not ready for an ICS release. Based on the huge number of people with bricked phones or bootloops, you can all see how many people jumped in without knowing ANYTHING and for lack of a better term, winged it...which led to their problems. These members didn't wait for an RUU, didn't read any of the stickys, didn't read any of the answers PG already posted in his 20 page threads and on top of that, a couple even went as far as to blame their own failures on, as well as make crazy accusations towards PG. For that, the rest of us suffer and that's how it is.
I love the support so far, please keep it going. Hopefully word gets out
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PG and the other devs left for different reasons but I can pretty surely say that money is not the problem. They did all this developing from free will, not for donations. If PG does come back, he'll just get hit with the same bull**** he's been having to deal with these past few days. I'm just not sure raising money is the right way to go.
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I totally agree, but I feel that pledging to donate to him is a show of good faith that there are a number of us who enjoy his roms respectfully. I think it's time for the minority of users with good experiences to overshadow the stupid noobs who have ruined it for the rest of us.
I would for sure donate to the cause...
I myself have been known to ask stupid noobish questions, so I can only imagine how many posts, repeat questions and PMs he must have gotten after releasing this. I was amazed how many people blamed him for their own mistakes, I too bricked my phone but never once blamed him as after I did so I read everything again and again and then realized what I did wrong.
I do hope he comes back after maybe taking a little time away, but there has to be a way for him to have some protection from people, their questions and comments...
P.S.- A semi unrelated but somewhat related statement (and I don't want to start a firestorm) but I do wish in some of these DEV threads the fluff and worthless posts (mine included sometimes) would be erased to keep threads small and more full of worth while information.
I think people got their phone bricked cuz this update was for ATT Stock not any other carriers. So if they tried to flash, it's their own risk. Not to blame all the good devs out there give us better phone than stock.
I would donate too.
I myself asked a question in that very thread that got closed. I wanted to know if that ROM was for my phone because I didn't find any reference to "Velocity". Although people say Vivid and Velocity are interchangeable, I thought I'd ask. And I'm glad I did, otherwise I would have a bricked phone too.
Just one or two IDIOTS spoiling the party for everyone.
PG - can you start a private share so that you can control who has access to your zips and we can still download them?
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Just one or two IDIOTS spoiling the party for everyone.
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And this is precisely why we can't have nice things.
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I leave for a few hours to go to dinner with some friends and this is what I come back to?
What happened?
I've read 99% of all the posts in the Vivid section, including PG's. Can't belive how much patience and time he put in those replies. I, for one I wouldn't even bother to answer most of them. Unfortunately people don't always appreciate it from obvious reasons (have no idea what developing is). Hope he comes back, it's nor fair to leave us for one or two mindless posters. Is not the noobs, or only the Vivid owners, is the whole Android community that needs him.
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I leave for a few hours to go to dinner with some friends and this is what I come back to?
What happened?
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That is where I was at last night... Some Galaxy nexus moron didnt read instructions and bricked his wifes Vivid from what I caught on to. Then he blames it on PG. See General thread First Rom Flash Rum Float Beta for exact details.
I agree with everyone here. When I was told HTC flashing on the vivid was different from other phones and older HTC phones I listened. I waited 48 hours to flash until I made sure I knew everything. Even then I sat in the IRC and continued asking new stupid questions. I was never chewed out, never driven off. I was answered, had my own laughs for stupidity and ended up with ICS.
When someone flashes a rom its like accepting a TOS agreement that comes with software. You agree that it is your own fault if the flash fails, especially if it was successful for so many others.
I am sure PG doesnt care about the money, but its an attempt to show him that just because some people are morons doesnt mean no one supports him and appreciates what he does.
I still haven't flashed ics and won't until I have the time to do it correctly and the knowledge. I have reread how to do it many times. I want to understand how it works before I put it on my phone. It would be awesome to have the newest thing but not at the expense of my phone for not following instructions. I wish I had time to develop but I work two jobs and have a baby coming in a few months.
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I'm not sure that he is taking donations at this point. I donated $10 earlier today and he refunded it?!?
I appreciate the gesture but I cannot bring myself back.
Jazz, I refunded your donation partly because of the way you handled yourself with WC, and partly because I want no expectations from any of this.
I refunded Uberamd because sending me a donation does not give you the right to say whatever you like. It's not a free pass to talk ****.
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I only joined XDA in October. I use it a lot though due to an unswerving flash addiction.
I see this kind of message a lot in rom threads: 'Hello! I love your rom! It's by far the fastest I've used on XDA. The thing is, the clock is 0.0000000000000000000000000001% off center, and until this bug is sorted out I can't use your rom as my daily driver.'
Are we all getting too picky? It's a bit like saying 'well, thank you for the offer of a free Ferrari, but I don't like the color of the cigarette lighter so for now I'll carry on walking to work.'
Have you ever worked Retail before?
You get tons of people who like what you have to offer and appreciate it so they keep coming back, then you have the people who think the world should revolve around them. The people who believe you owe them something for no apparent reason and the people who like to complain just to complain. They are the ones who sometimes try to act nice but complain over the smallest things and try to pull a fast one on you.You really have to either have patience with them or just completely ignore them because they think you have nothing better to do than to serve their needs/wants. But don't let them take advantage of your hard work and dedication to what you do.
Don't let that evil person make you lose composure, just remain cool and remember all the other people who thanked you for your work and appreciate you doing it for them.
Those people who complain over the little things on a rom complain about everything in their life, and are never satisfied with the way things are going, and are too much of a hassle to please as all they will do is complain some more. Eventually they will just goto another rom and complain there as well.
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Have you ever worked Retail before?
You get tons of people who like what you have to offer and appreciate it so they keep coming back, then you have the people who think the world should revolve around them. The people who believe you owe them something for no apparent reason and the people who like to complain just to complain. They are the ones who sometimes try to act nice but complain over the smallest things and try to pull a fast one on you.You really have to either have patience with them or just completely ignore them because they think you have nothing better to do than to serve their needs/wants. But don't let them take advantage of your hard work and dedication to what you do
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Nice analogy, especially has I've worked in retail most of my life. I sometimes feel that the ROM and kernel devs deserve a bit more than the demands they receive. Another favourite of mine is when I'll be reading a thread and someone will randomly say 'no good, no immersive' and nothing else.
Then again, I've barely been here 5 minutes!
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Paradelle said:
I see this kind of message a lot in rom threads: 'Hello! I love your rom! It's by far the fastest I've used on XDA. The thing is, the clock is 0.0000000000000000000000000001% off center, and until this bug is sorted out I can't use your rom as my daily driver.'
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But on the other hand they are using commercial software they have to pay for which is full of bugs and where they are used as beta-testers for the first releases...
But I have to confess, that Microsoft improved over the last couple of years compared to let's say, ehm, windows ME
It only gets worse from here. I hate to say this, and I don't mean to tar everyone with the same brush, but compared to iOS and WP users, Android users are some of the most egotistical, demanding, self-entitled, and utterly immature tech audiences out there, and a lot of users on XDA are even more-so. Most don't give a rat's ass how the development pattern goes, what XDA is for, or the fact that no one is being paid to contribute (there's also a special kind of full-retard XDA user that thinks donations are some sort of contractual payment).
You won't get anywhere trying to reason with these people, as they don't think they're doing anything wrong. It's a losing battle, let them be, and if you really want to, drop your favorite dev at least a thank-you note (if not a donation) in his XDA inbox, letting him/her know you personally appreciate the work being given to you at no cost on someone else's free time.
The longer you spend here, the more you'll be able to split the idiot users from the users who have true respect for this place.
That's another small reason I'm still on the stock ROM. I had to root and found a few tweaks to fix a few legit problems and awesome mods and I'm happy. But I really needed a stable well running phone and got one that I can easily tweak no problem.
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kmx said:
Have you ever worked Retail before?
You get tons of people who like what you have to offer and appreciate it so they keep coming back, then you have the people who think the world should revolve around them. The people who believe you owe them something for no apparent reason and the people who like to complain just to complain. They are the ones who sometimes try to act nice but complain over the smallest things and try to pull a fast one on you.You really have to either have patience with them or just completely ignore them because they think you have nothing better to do than to serve their needs/wants. But don't let them take advantage of your hard work and dedication to what you do.
Don't let that evil person make you lose composure, just remain cool and remember all the other people who thanked you for your work and appreciate you doing it for them.
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Why was I satisfied with the Samsung's Note battery series and disappointed with the Nexus line's?
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dicecuber said:
Why was I satisfied with the Samsung's Note battery series and disappointed with the Nexus line's?
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OP, this is an example of a post to not bother responding to. All it takes is to look at his posting history; "dicecuber" spends most of his time either criticizing the Nexus 5, or posting completely irrelevant "questions" in threads that have nothing to do with them (i.e., he asked in the Nexus 5 Singapore thread "can you chew gum in Singapore").
People that respond to this sort of post only enable it to keep happening.
kmx said:
Have you ever worked Retail before?
You get tons of people who like what you have to offer and appreciate it so they keep coming back, then you have the people who think the world should revolve around them. The people who believe you owe them something for no apparent reason and the people who like to complain just to complain. They are the ones who sometimes try to act nice but complain over the smallest things and try to pull a fast one on you.You really have to either have patience with them or just completely ignore them because they think you have nothing better to do than to serve their needs/wants. But don't let them take advantage of your hard work and dedication to what you do.
Don't let that evil person make you lose composure, just remain cool and remember all the other people who thanked you for your work and appreciate you doing it for them.
Those people who complain over the little things on a rom complain about everything in their life, and are never satisfied with the way things are going, and are too much of a hassle to please as all they will do is complain some more. Eventually they will just goto another rom and complain there as well.
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And you complain about people who complain, if no one complained about anything what a terrible world it would be.
My motto is nothing happens if you don't ask. You don't have to be rude while asking, but if there is something bothering you, speak up. I don't see a problem with trying to perfect your experience. Say I use ROM X, but there's a certain feature in ROM Y that I love. Asking ROM X to include the feature from ROM Y isn't the end of the world. At the very least you'll get a no which may or may not come with an explanation as to why.
I don't believe never being satisfied is a negative. I believe it helps you strive for more which in turns helps you progress. I may be happy, but I'm not satisfied. For me, being satisfied means to accept things as they are and no longer push forward. I'm not saying being satisfied is a bad thing, rather I believe both being satisfied and not being satisfied are both good. Everyone ticks at their own pace, no need for us to all conform.
As for your example, everyone is different. Some people have OCD, through no fault of their own. Something as small as the clock being off centre can throw people off. As long as they aren't being rude, I see no problem in them pointing it out. Regardless of how insignificant the issue may be for you personally, the fact remains it is an issue. Bugs can't be fixed if no one reports them.
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OP, this is an example of a post to not bother responding to. All it takes is to look at his posting history; "dicecuber" spends most of his time either criticizing the Nexus 5, or posting completely irrelevant "questions" in threads that have nothing to do with them (i.e., he asked in the Nexus 5 Singapore thread "can you chew gum in Singapore").
People that respond to this sort of post only enable it to keep happening.
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i like you :highfive:
I just read on here some guy said he donated and what he was going to get for it. Like the dev owed him something.
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I just read on here some guy said he donated and what he was going to get for it. Like the dev owed him something.
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What's his name?
Anybody who's down for donating w/o knowing where his funds are going is someone I'd like to know.
welcome to xda.. things used to be different... long, long ago...
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welcome to xda.. things used to be different... long, long ago...
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I agree. I don't know if people do this anymore but the bounty threads always end in drama. Users think a donation is more than that; a legal binding financial commitment. So when a dev doesn't come through they rage or threaten. They forget the definition of donations.
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Paradelle said:
I only joined XDA in October. I use it a lot though due to an unswerving flash addiction.
I see this kind of message a lot in rom threads: 'Hello! I love your rom! It's by far the fastest I've used on XDA. The thing is, the clock is 0.0000000000000000000000000001% off center, and until this bug is sorted out I can't use your rom as my daily driver.'
Are we all getting too picky? It's a bit like saying 'well, thank you for the offer of a free Ferrari, but I don't like the color of the cigarette lighter so for now I'll carry on walking to work.'
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You are not alone with those thoughts.
Over the years XDA has grown from a site made up of just developers, to a site comprised of more users than developers.
With the increase in users comes more non-development posts.
It is a balancing act to keep XDA focused on development and the non-development chatter to a minimum.
I am no going to close this thread.
If anyone has any questions or comments please PM me.
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