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I have seen first hand proof of this working. I had an evo 3d. Htc decided all futre devices would have locked bootliaders well that made alot of people angry. Someone posted a thread on xda suggesting we let htc know that is not gna fly. So it turnd out thousands of people got on there facebook wall and twitter. Guess what the next day htc released a statement saying that they wanted too keep there coustamers happy and that the bootloader would be unlocked. They were. Id like to be able too have a device and not have too get a new one juzt because moto or htc or sammy wants too put them out constantly get people too buy them and then ditch them and out out another. The atrix is 100 percent capable of runing ics and theres no excuae for it l not too recieve it just because moto wants people too buy new devices every couple months. I know many many people feel the same way well as i said we have the power too change that if people would stop bickering and take it seriously. And also if moto started supporting devices longer not just bug fixes but the new android flavors. Id definately make my next device a moto it would do nothing but benefit them
Why are we discussing/petitioning something that we don't know? Has it been set in stone that manufacturers will not support us anymore or is this all stemming from paranoia?
Because it is the trend. And the atrix 2 has been released already. All the manufactures with the exception of sammy have been doing this more and more lately abandoning. Devices. And pumping out new ones. At a very fast pace
So you are saying they are not going to support the atrix anymore since they released the atrix 2? I'd rather wait till this actually happens before i draw a conclusion. e.g. when ICS gets released and they say they are not going to update the atrix.
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So you are saying they are not going to support the atrix anymore since they released the atrix 2? I'd rather wait till this actually happens before i draw a conclusion. e.g. when ICS gets released and they say they are not going to update the atrix.
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Look at the original Incredible.
My wife's one has been turned to **** since the 2.3.4 update, and nothing from HTC, and Verizon pretty much said too bad so sad. Buy another phone or deal with it.
So yes, support will be dropped for older models whether you like to assumed it or not.
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Look at the original Incredible.
My wife's one has been turned to **** since the 2.3.4 update, and nothing from HTC, and Verizon pretty much said too bad so sad. Buy another phone or deal with it.
So yes, support will be dropped for older models whether you like to assumed it or not.
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No it is obvious support is going to be dropped for old models. But he is implying that models released this year will not get support.
I think for every $10 a phone costs over $50 on launch day (on contract) is how many months it should be updated for. So a $300 phone should be kept updated for 25 months. So this would either keep phone prices lower or keep them updated.
Facebook is a poor way of getting the attention of corporations. You want them to change? Buy a nexus phone. Money talks.
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No it is obvious support is going to be dropped for old models. But he is implying that models released this year will not get support.
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I think ICS only has support for Armv7 currently, so phones with those SoCs will get updated. However, phones using custom UIs will experience a longer waiting time, maybe around early Q1 of 2012. HTC has released like 1000 phones in the last few months and I doubt most will get ICS soon, not sure if Moto will bother at all. But it might be better to wait and actually see what goes down, like you said.
Has HTC in fact locked a boot loader or withheld hardware drivers?
I intend for my next phone to be HTC just because of the hell Samsung put us though trying to get GB on the i9000.
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Has HTC in fact locked a boot loader or withheld hardware drivers?
I intend for my next phone to be HTC just because of the hell Samsung put us though trying to get GB on the i9000.
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HTC new phones i believe i read come locked.
You can unlock them direct with HTC, but you loose all warranty. As per HTC.
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HTC new phones i believe i read come locked.
You can unlock them direct with HTC, but you loose all warranty. As per HTC.
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As I understand it, you lose all ROM related warranty, so for instance if your screen fails then you're still covered.
Motorola unlocking bootloaders ??
you should check this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1316722
I had a motorola xt720.... not the best phone..but was ok. Motorola decided to stop supporting it within 4 months of launch or something stupid like that. No new updates no nothing. And still insisted on the bootloader staying locked so the dev's found it alot harder to do their job for them.
I will never ever buy a motorola product again.
The market is fairly competitive ... don't buy from companies that pull this crap
Still trying to get then to publicly announce this, but my contact within HTC (my business buys hundreds of devices a year) says its all AT&T. He said maybe someday, but chance it'll happen within 3 months is zero. Take it for what you will.
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Still trying to get then to publicly announce this, but my contact within HTC (my business buys hundreds of devices a year) says its all AT&T. He said maybe someday, but chance it'll happen within 3 months is zero. Take it for what you will.
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Who is your contact? Can he leak the info we need for an unlock?
He doesn't have the needed codes. Or even the key signer. I asked. Said to say he wished he could help. Been working with me for 4 years, I believe him
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He doesn't have the needed codes. Or even the key signer. I asked. Said to say he wished he could help. Been working with me for 4 years, I believe him
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He doesnt know anyone that can help?
I got the direct line to some vp's. Calling in a bit to complain directly.
This was predictable. AT&T are a bunch of a$$es and HTC are a bunch of idiots to let AT&T do this to them.
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This was predictable. AT&T are a bunch of a$$es and HTC are a bunch of idiots to let AT&T do this to them.
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Well, guess that solved my issue. Exchanging for a white Skyrocket now.
Sent from HTC Vivid!
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This was predictable. AT&T are a bunch of a$$es and HTC are a bunch of idiots to let AT&T do this to them.
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I've been hypothesizing that it was moreso AT&T's fault, as compared with HTC's, as they've been relatively responsive about getting their other carrier bootloader unlocks out relatively promptly.
AT&T's had it against Android from day 1, choosing not to carry high-end devices, then lagging behind on updates on high-end devices, then not letting us sideload apps, and now this. It really wouldn't surprise me that AT&T is the primary culprit.
Look, the international Raider and the Bell/Rogers variants all got their dues very quickly; HTC is clearly not holding back on their part in terms of getting these devices unlocked. Since our hardware is literally identical to the Rogers one (radio bands and all), I don't see why there's any reason to keep ours locked while Rogers doesn't have this issue. There's only one variable here, and it's clearly the carrier.
Wasn't Rogers part of an ATT venture at one point? They're worthy of commendation that they didn't inherit these ridiculous business practices.
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I've been hypothesizing that it was moreso AT&T's fault, as compared with HTC's, as they've been relatively responsive about getting their other carrier bootloader unlocks out relatively promptly.
AT&T's had it against Android from day 1, choosing not to carry high-end devices, then lagging behind on updates on high-end devices, then not letting us sideload apps, and now this. It really wouldn't surprise me that AT&T is the primary culprit.
Look, the international Raider and the Bell/Rogers variants all got their dues very quickly; HTC is clearly not holding back on their part in terms of getting these devices unlocked. Since our hardware is literally identical to the Rogers one (radio bands and all), I don't see why there's any reason to keep ours locked while Rogers doesn't have this issue. There's only one variable here, and it's clearly the carrier.
Wasn't Rogers part of an ATT venture at one point? They're worthy of commendation that they didn't inherit these ridiculous business practices.
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I think that would be Bell, but they are still really good to Android. Anyways, only Samsung from now on, since Samsung has the balls to tell them off.
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Well, guess that solved my issue. Exchanging for a white Skyrocket now.
Sent from HTC Vivid!
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Really?
you waited until after EvilDevnull decides to help before you bail?
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Really?
you waited until after EvilDevnull decides to help before you bail?
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Uh Evil has been 'on the verge' of unlock for the 3D and Rezound for weeks and weeks that I have been following. Can never tell up from down, cant wait on a chance in case it never comes.
Truthfully all things considered you can't say it will Never happen because someone some where will come with a way to unlock the device. Whether it winds up being HTC themselves that leak something just to get sales up or some dev doing it there will be an unlock method sooner or later, just a matter of time and patience. Have yet to see any android device that exists that has not been able to be rooted and get the Bootloader unlocked.
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Really?
you waited until after EvilDevnull decides to help before you bail?
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I tweeted him long before people found out. He said he's going to do a few devices after the Rezound, then us. Sure, we can probably do something with the Rezound, but I'm not used to HTC devices anyways, kind of a brand thing.
Anyways, enjoy your Vivid, I know I will until my Skyrocket gets here.
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AT&T's had it against Android from day 1, choosing not to carry high-end devices, then lagging behind on updates on high-end devices, then not letting us sideload apps, and now this. It really wouldn't surprise me that AT&T is the primary culprit.
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Yup, every time I'm in an Att store all they talk about is the iphone and apple.
Even back when the HD2 came out and had a processor twice the speed of the the iphone at that time they were still touting it's superiority.
I was a bit surprised to see everyone in the att store when I went in to pick up my vivid with one. Apparently the store in my area were switching their employee phones from windows phones to Android phones and they were all going nuts and excited about the Vivid.
Anyways, I knew it was att that was preventing the unlocking, they have pretty much always been sticklers about things like this especially if it can insure their bloatware staying on our phones.
Sounds like we should keep up the pressure.
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Yup, every time I'm in an Att store all they talk about is the iphone and apple.
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Isn't that the truth. When I told them I was considering the 4s or an Android phone they said 99% of the people who were using Apple and went to android end up bringing the phone back and switching to the 4s.
I couldn't believe how much bashing they gave to android. If I ever hear one of them saying anything again I am going to politely explain: "Does the iPhone come with any AT&T bloatware installed? No? Does every Android device? Yes. Remove your **** apps and people will like android more and the phones will run better."
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Nowadays you can uninstall the bloatware AND sideload apps.
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Uh, what?
The former, not without aftermarket tweaks. The latter, yes.
Don't try to praise AT&T here, it's not going to fly. They still are monumentally iBiased.
EDIT: I just checked Evil's site on this. Regardless of his accomplishments, I don't think I'd ever consider donating to him. He carries himself like a total <insert expletive here> as the most important developer in the world. Reading the thread was painful.
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Uh, what?
The former, not without aftermarket tweaks. The latter, yes.
Don't try to praise AT&T here, it's not going to fly. They still are monumentally iBiased.
EDIT: I just checked Evil's site on this. Regardless of his accomplishments, I don't think I'd ever consider donating to him. He carries himself like a total <insert expletive here> as the most important developer in the world. Reading the thread was painful.
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If he is the guy who gets s-off for the vivid.... He IS the most important developer in the world as far as I am concerned
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First off, let me apologize if anyone is not happy with starting a new thread on the ICS topic. I did this because this particular post is about the communication issues between Verizon, LG, and, most importantly, us as the paying customers.
This would be a great thread for others to post transcripts from both sides!! Should've named it "LG/Verizon Transcripts - Who does what?" LoL
Here is a transcript of my conversation. As per the agreement to post this, Names were removed.
LG Rep: Hello Cybie257. Welcome to LG Electronics U.S.A. Support only. How may I provide you with excellent service today?
Cybie257: I have an LG Revolution phone. I love this phone and wish to find out how much more support LG will give for it. As in, will ICS become reality for it?
LG Rep: Unfortunately there are no posts from the carrier regarding that update being released, at least not yet
Cybie257: Please note I am thinking about buying a Samsung Nexus for ICS, but will keep my LG Revolution if ICS is something in the works. (Threw this in for FUN!!! LOL)
Cybie257: By carrier, do you mean Verizon?
Cybie257: I guess I should ask, is it in 'development' with LG? Or has LG given up on updating that phone any further?
LG Rep: The software is just tested by LG after it has been modified to fit the software on the phone through Verizon
Cybie257: Ok, so still not clear with that answer. A lot of LG Revolution owners are wanting some sort of "Yes, LG is working on ICS for the Revolution". That is something we can go from.
Cybie257: or, "No, LG has no interest...."
LG Rep: In fact LG does not control the updates
Cybie257: Ok. That's an interesting answer since Verizon told me to contact LG for such information because they state that 'they' don't control them, LG does. hmmm
LG Rep: Hmm, I see
LG Rep: I am sorry that you are having this inconvenience with the phone; unfortunately LG manufactures the phones as the service provider’s request. LG would love to have all our customers satisfied with the products, however the service provider makes specific requests that we by contract have to comply with.
Cybie257: Yeah, it makes it confusing to figure out where and who to find out any such information when both sides point fingers at each other for answers to the most important people, 'the paying customer.'
LG Rep: I would like to let you in to some information as well so you could understand a bit more to how the phone and service are actually developed. You see; software and service actually come from the carrier. LG’s role was to develop the phone hardware for the carriers to place their software into and offer the service. Basically what I mean to say is that if you would be interested in finding out information related to software I suggest contacting the carrier since they should have more concrete foundations for your questions. As well, even though LG engineers do help out through out the development process, LG does not actually support third party software or applications, which in any case you would want to contact the carrier as well if dealing with issues related to apps or other software not directly related to the phone. I am always happy to help out as best I can with situations in general, but I am unfortunately only limited to the information we have for the hardware specifications and what we can find in the Owner’s manual. I do apologize for the inconvenience if there is any. Hopefully you now have a better picture of software vs hardware. I did try to type in this information as clearly as I could so you could have a better picture of how LG phones are actually made.
Cybie257: Ok, that was a good piece of information. In order to provide others in the forum I chat within, is it ok to post this within the forum without violating any privacy issues?
LG Rep: It would do, but we have provided the same information to other customers
LG Rep: It's ok as long as there are no names (yours nor mine)
Cybie257: ok. But this will at least let others that I I spoke directly with LG. and yes, I do plan to Omit names. Thank you for your time.
The toughest part about such a conversation is staying away from saying, "You are all a bunch of &%*!&$ Morons!" LoL
So, there you have it, straight from LG. I will see if I can't get a chat transcript from Verizon. I already know it's going to say something like, "We (Verizon) have no control over the updates. That is up to LG."
I'm confident of that response because, well, that's what I was already told by Verizon and why I was directed to contact LG.
Ugh. Anyhow, enjoy the transcript.
-Cybie
Ok, So HERE IT IS! From Verizon (Note the RED PRINT)
Also, I went in as a customer interested in buying into a contract with a new Revolution, hoping to get someone that would divulge some inside information in order to make a sale....
BTW, you should get a kick out of the fact the rep didn't know what ICS was, LoL
Please hold for a Verizon Wireless sales representative to assist you with your order. Thank you for your patience.
You are now chatting with 'VERIZON REP'
VERIZON REP: Hello. Thank you for visiting our chat service. May I help you with your order today?
Cybie257: I'm liking the LG Revolution. Have done some research. Is ICS going to be released for it? That is a determining factor. Thanks.
VERIZON REP: What do you mean by ISC?
Cybie257: ICS, not ISC. Ice Cream Sandwich update?
VERIZON REP: Oh ok, the Android software. I am not sure if they will, but I am sure that it will come out. It wouldn't make sense for them not to offer the update.
Cybie257: you are not sure, but you are sure. what do you mean? you believe it will come out for the LG Revolution? I would really like a pretty good and confident answer before I lock myself into a two year contract with it.
VERIZON REP: I am not positive, I cannot see that information. But it would not make sense for them to not offer the update.
Cybie257: ok. hmmm. Then, is the Samsung Galaxy Nexus the only phoen with 4.0.X ICS Android right now? I hear it has no External SD Card support....
VERIZON REP: Yes, that is the only phone with ICS right now.
Cybie257: ok. I'll hope for some way to find information regarding ICS for the Revolution before taking the chance right now. I did contact LG and they said you, as Verizon, control whether or not it gets ICS.
VERIZON REP: No, the manufacturer controls that.
Cybie257: hmmm. interesting because I have a transcript for the chat that says Verizon (the carrier) controls that. odd... Anyhow. thanks for the information.
Cybie257: (transcript from LG Rep)
VERIZON REP: Ok, I would contact them again. Also to be fair, contact another VERIZON REP to verify my information.
Cybie257: ok. fair enough. Thanks!
VERIZON REP: Not a problem. Was there anything else I can help with?
Cybie257: That should do it for now. Thanks...
VERIZON REP: Thank you for visiting Verizon Wireless, I look forward to speaking with you again. Have a great evening!
As expected.....................
-Cybie
Hahaha they do just blame each other. Its really frustrating how LG ad Verizon can just take advantage of us like that. Pumping out tons of phones promising the world of them for a few months then totally dropping them. Anyway...this is the answer I got from the LG forum when I asked about ICS and if there was another update in the works for the LG revolution.
"I have heard that there is an update coming for the Revolution. It could be soon, but I don't have a date. ICS for the Revolution? I don't know. LG hasn't made a decision on which US devices will get it. The statment that was released was for LG's International phones... I'll let you know if I hear anything."
So I guess you could interpret this as good news... "No decision on which US devices will get it". There still is an update (hopefully) coming to fix some gingerbread issues. I personally believe there is a very slim chance of us actually getting ICS. I'm going to stay optimistic though!
Also thanks for taking the time to research and post this
In you conversation with LG you listed that the LG engineers help the VZ software developers. I believe it is this effort that would need to be "agreed to" by both parties in order to rev the software/firmware. So I would conclude that both parties are involved with a new release both have a say.
I'm sorry but I gotta say this. That rep lied, plain and simple. Software updates go through the OEM first then the carrier has the final say (hence all the Nexus delays because of Verizon not approving ICS on the first few tries). Everyone that has developed before knows that. All the rep is doing is blaming it on Verizon which is the same thing Verizon will do to LG. I gave up any hope of getting an official OTA of ICS. I'm 100% sure we'll get ICS, but not through Verizon.
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Hahaha they do just blame each other. Its really frustrating how LG ad Verizon can just take advantage of us like that. Pumping out tons of phones promising the world of them for a few months then totally dropping them. Anyway...this is the answer I got from the LG forum when I asked about ICS and if there was another update in the works for the LG revolution.
"I have heard that there is an update coming for the Revolution. It could be soon, but I don't have a date. ICS for the Revolution? I don't know. LG hasn't made a decision on which US devices will get it. The statment that was released was for LG's International phones... I'll let you know if I hear anything."
So I guess you could interpret this as good news... "No decision on which US devices will get it". There still is an update (hopefully) coming to fix some gingerbread issues. I personally believe there is a very slim chance of us actually getting ICS. I'm going to stay optimistic though!
Also thanks for taking the time to research and post this
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You're welcome. The reason I chose to do this isn't because I was hoping for an actual answer, but to merely get it in some sort of writing directly from both sources as to what they tend to do. That is ----> forget those of us who put out the big dollars to buy their equipment (LG) and Services (Verizon).
-Cybie
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I'm sorry but I gotta say this. That rep lied, plain and simple. Software updates go through the OEM first then the carrier has the final say (hence all the Nexus delays because of Verizon not approving ICS on the first few tries). Everyone that has developed before knows that. All the rep is doing is blaming it on Verizon which is the same thing Verizon will do to LG. I gave up any hope of getting an official OTA of ICS. I'm 100% sure we'll get ICS, but not through Verizon.
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I just think it's hella funny that LG says it's all up to Verizon while Verizon says it's all up to LG. They both tell me to check with the other as 'they' don't deal with the OS Updates on the device(s).
I guess there is some little elf that comes in from Santa's workshop that puts the OS updates together.
-Cybie
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I guess there is some little elf that comes in from Santa's workshop that puts the OS updates together.
-Cybie
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Actually, when I was waiting for the OTA update for gingerbread, I called Verizon tech support one day and got a really cool tech rep. After chatting for five minutes he conferenced me in with him to call LG! He got through to a tech that confirmed that THEY (LG) were still pushing the updates.
So I know without question that LG is responsible for the OTA!
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This was a really interesting read, I don't expect ICS anytime soon, but it's about what I expected from either party.
In all fairness to the LG rep, I have spoken with them before, and they don't know what the hell they are talking about. You, like me, originally went into the conversation assuming that LG support reps would actually know something about their phones. They don't. They are scripted pawns, just like when you call your cable / satellite company. Chances are the "LG" support rep doesn't even REALLY work at a U.S. LG site. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if this was some offshore, contracted, damage control support system, where they determine if your questions are worthy of passing on to LG.
The best you can hope for is this response: "I'll contact the engineers to get a better answer for you in a few days" (the response I received on a question I asked a while back).
In answer to ICS, LG won't do it. They are looking to their future products, and could care less about what they would consider to be yet another flop in their manufacturing line. Given how many problems these have had and have been returned, I don't think this is worth the time for them to upgrade.
Lets face it, any non-XDA members would have returned this phone within the grace period.
I didn't become an XDA member until I had the phone for a while I liked this phone before I came here so saying any non XDA member would have gotten rid of it before the return time is inaccurate.
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I didn't become an XDA member until I had the phone for a while I liked this phone before I came here so saying any non XDA member would have gotten rid of it before the return time is inaccurate.
GINGERVOLTED!
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Ha! I was on the fence when I got here. There was no community, and everyone seemed to have given up on this phone and rooting it (and/or didn't want to get one).
Had I not hooked up with TheCubed and worked through the rooting process, this phone would have gone back.
The biggest thing that I think a general consumer will notice that does not have access to XDA is that key features from Google are missing/not possible to install. The lack of Google maps in favor of a paid GPS, no decent voice commander for dialing/navigation, the favored paid method of voicemail over Google Voice makes this phone, when unrooted and bingified a REALLY sad phone. The only people I could see purchasing it and keeping it are people who had no prior experience or knowledge of the capabilities of the Android OS.
I came from a Droid one and an Eris prior to that. I love this phone and if I needed a navigation I could just download google maps. I like this phone better then my Droid or Eris google isn't all that to me.
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I agree, when we all had to go back to stock before upgrading this phone was essentially unusable. It was like it wasn't even an Android phone but something else...something else that really sucked....couldn't root and MOD this thing fast enough!
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I came from a Droid one and an Eris prior to that. I love this phone and if I needed a navigation I could just download google maps. I like this phone better then my Droid or Eris google isn't all that to me.
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I'm Google's *****...
When I got the Revo it was TBolt, Charge, or Revo for 4G... Since Verizon has lied to me 4x on when 4G will be rolled out in my area I should have followed my gut and gotten the HTC Inc2 which I loved in the store...
By the time 4G hits my area my contract on my primary will be up and I can replace this thing with some a bit more "mainstream."
Or I can just upgrade one of my other 2 lines and transfer the phone to mine.
Hopefully the Revo get ICS shame if it doesn't, since it came out a couple months before ICS.
My droid X still got updates, including Gingerbread, even after the X2 was out. Hopefully LG decides not to give up on this device and still push a few updates so we can get ICS.
As far as who does the updating, it's both. LG needs to come up with ICS then Verizon has to approve it. But typical companies, never want to take responsiblity for anyting.
A lesser minority of USERS jump over the fence and update their phones to open mode despite the contracts. Thus LG's constant end-user PC updates to restrain users from updating to whatever stock ROM they want.
What LG doesn't see is something that TIM Brazil as well as other carriers worldwide do. TIM Brazil buys the phones with a big discount and sell them unlocked at full price.
In the end of the story LG gets stolen, the users don't get their updates as they become available AND the ONLY WINNER HERE is TIM Brazil, among other carriers worldwide. Even in Britain.
I think it's about time LG stopped blaming users and started making carrier contracts get fulfilled. Become more open!!!
Since LG is constantly watching this forum, I believe this will end up getting to the proper channels.
Honestly i didn't completely understand the problem, but i hope they read your post.
And since there is a thread with this title; I want to add what i always say. What LG would worry is to lose customers. You already released Gingerbread waaay toooo late. So that already made people verrryy angry. And after you released it people saw that you were working on a way to cripple rooting. So thats strike 2.
I can't talk for everbody but we didn't buy our phones for "irreplaceable" LG roms. It is an elegant, smooth phone. It is not a performance phone (which i don't care about) It is a P/P phone (price-performance) phone. Best out there for that price. And the second reason is Android. Meaning freedom. To able to do everything you want with your phone.
So.. If i wanted a restricted phone, to let the company empose everything on me i would have bought iPhone. At least they update regulary, give service and updates even to the oldest devices. But no we want to be the master of our phone. Because it's OUR phone. We paid for it, so we should be able to do anything with it. You supply the rom what we do with it is our problem. You already say rooting dismisses warranty. Isn't that enough? So i say LG people should work HARD on customer "satisfaction", not customer "restriction"
(Btw, i am an LG fan. My monitor, my television, my phone... all LG. Not my tablet though that land is still in Apple's reign. So i write this critic to be constructive. I hope someone reads and they stop the nonsense. )
So I work at Sprint and we finally had a Motorola Representative come down and speak to use (we sell the Photon Q which is like the droid 4 with a bigger screen). I told him about my experiences with the Droid 3 and what we were doing here. I told him about XDA's shared hatred towards Sanjay and he said he understood. He basically admitted that the Droid 3 should have never happened and that the Droid 4 was already practically made when the Droid 3 was being sold, basically because they already dumped money in to the droid 3 so they had to unload it on the consumer (Sanjay's fault). Some of the positive things he mentioned was that with the new leadership, updates are going to happen much more often and that flagship phones won't have 59 variations. Motorola will also start keeping it's promise to keep phone's up to date for 18 months as well.
I asked him about the bootloader blog debacle and he basically said that Verizon came in and put their foot down, which made them not follow through on what they said was going to happen. Actually in the end he said 90% of things are Verizon's fault (I wouldn't doubt it). They do have a huge advertising campaign that is practically paid for by Verizon, Verizon uses that to their advantage and blackmails them to do their bidding. He also mentioned that alot of his fellow employees are hoping that Google can strong arm Verizon into sitting the %#@& down and getting over themselves, allowing them to do a signed bootloader unlocking. He says that it should allow you to register your phone's ESN to MotoDev and it would then send a message back to the Verizon that the warranty is void but it would allow people to unlock the bootloader. Hardware warranty will still be covered by Moto, just not through Verizon and Asurion (unless you pay a deposit) There are a lot of angry sales people who do not like to sell Motorola phones due to their bloatware and locked boot-loader practices and Motorola knows that it isn't good for sales. He says the most common notes he sends back to HQ usually contain something about the bootloader, less motoblur, and death to Sanjay.
If you have any questions I can try to get in contact with him and see what else he has to say or if I asked him a question I forgot to put it in this post I can answer it. I grilled him for an hour.
Holy crap thanks. I hope they update us.
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Wow. So does this mean there is still hope yet?
Nope. It means that this phone is forgotten but future devices starting next quarter will be supported much better. Sorry.
This seems to confirm what we've believed all along - that the D3 was awkwardly released, from a point of view of timing; that Verizon had the contractual ability to prevent Moto from unlocking bootloaders on these phones.
"Death to Sanjay" seems silly at this point - the guy's been gone for more than 6 months.
Well, poo. Guess I better be saving money for an S3. Or maybe the S4.
doogald said:
This seems to confirm what we've believed all along - that the D3 was awkwardly released, from a point of view of timing; that Verizon had the contractual ability to prevent Moto from unlocking bootloaders on these phones.
"Death to Sanjay" seems silly at this point - the guy's been gone for more than 6 months.
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Well Death to Sanjay was the most common note this year, and I still hold him accountable for our droid 3's.
cobravnm13 said:
Well, poo. Guess I better be saving money for an S3. Or maybe the S4.
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Wait for the S4. The S4 will be out sometime in April and will have a 1080p screen, rumored to have no bezel (edge to edge display), quadcore and the unbreakable flex display, and a 13mp camera. Samsung is seriously going after the iphone with this one. This is the one I am saving for but I will end up going to Sprint due to Verizon's data plans.
Yeah, I was thinking that as well. But I'd be buying full retail.
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Yeah, I was thinking that as well. But I'd be buying full retail.
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Ugh I know how that is. It's why I got a job with Sprint. Likely you can get the S3 for 200 somewhere after Christmas.
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Ugh I know how that is. It's why I got a job with Sprint. Likely you can get the S3 for 200 somewhere after Christmas.
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That would be awesome.
It sounds like the future at Motorola will be a lot better. We've already seen the fast updates for the Razr HD and M, hopefully Motorola gets the update out to their late 2011 phones as well.
I'm looking at getting the Razr M as my phone when I can upgrade in early 2013 unless something better comes out, since its one of the few phones without a huge screen. Its already got JB and Hash has safestrap working on it, so there will be some dev support. I'll keep my Droid 3 as a spare VZW phone and to mess around with ROMs on.