So is Motorola planning to not make non removable batteries phone from now on? Is this a way for them to make hacking phones more difficult?
kevmex1989 said:
So is Motorola planning to not make non removable batteries phone from now on? Is this a way for them to make hacking phones more difficult?
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That seems like a pretty large chasm of which you have jumped. I don't see how a non-removable battery would have any effect on the difficulty involved in hacking the phone.
Secondly, I don't see why this should have been posted in the bionic forums. This obviously doesn't pertain to the bionic at all. Perhaps the altogether general forum would be a better fit, or even the general forum specific to one of the moto phones that indeed has a non-removable battery such as the Droid RAZR.
I think it was a reasonable question, no reason to jump down his throat about it. I have no idea if they plan on making all their phones like that but I don't think it would make it more difficult to root, rom, etc. It would make it more risky though. Imagine your phone freezing or getting stuck in a boot loop and you can't pull your battery.
Although this thread probably doesn't belong here, I'll chime in...
I agree that it wouldn't make it any more difficult to hack, but it would make it more difficult to recover from a freeze. I would certainly hope the hard reset would be in the hardware and not the software. Also, for me, having an Android phone automatically means having the extended battery. If they don't bulk up these batteries to the likes of 2000mah+, I fear the Bionic will the last great phone from Moto.
there, now it pertains to the Bionic =)
Droid 4 will have a non-removable battery. So it could be a thing motorola its trying out.
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znel52 said:
I think it was a reasonable question, no reason to jump down his throat about it. I have no idea if they plan on making all their phones like that but I don't think it would make it more difficult to root, rom, etc. It would make it more risky though. Imagine your phone freezing or getting stuck in a boot loop and you can't pull your battery.
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I wasn't jumping down his throat or being hostile in any way. I was simply stating that it doesn't pertain to the bionic so there are better places for the question.
As for getting stuck in a boot loop or freezing, keep in mind that the Xoom has a non-removable battery and also a means of powering off in such an instance. Volume up key + power for about 2 seconds will do a hard power off. I imagine motorola would do something at least similar in all instances of non-removable batteries.
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I wasn't jumping down his throat or being hostile in any way. I was simply stating that it doesn't pertain to the bionic so there are better places for the question.
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I belive that it does pertain to the Bionic. Since it is a Motorola phone that will most likely receive a sequel, that may fall under their new trend of adding non removable batteries. Now granted, and it doesn't solely pertain to the current model Bionic, and but i cant think of a better place to post this question.
@OP: I thought about this problem once i heard of Motorolas plan. This bothers me only in the event of a boot loop. I think that this will make rooting and rom'ing more dangerous, but won't make it impossible. Can't tell you how many times a battery pull has saved me from a botched flash attempt.
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I belive that it does pertain to the Bionic. Since it is a Motorola phone that will most likely receive a sequel, that may fall under their new trend of adding non removable batteries. Now granted, and it doesn't solely pertain to the current model Bionic, and but i cant think of a better place to post this question.
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Droid RAZR General
Motorola Xoom General
All 3 more relevant forums for this question. Bionic has a removable battery. It simply does not pertain to it. If there is a Bionic 2, which I'm sure will happen, that will be a different phone. The phones most likely won't share anything in common outside of the general physical design of the phones.
@OP: I thought about this problem once i heard of Motorolas plan. This bothers me only in the event of a boot loop. I think that this will make rooting and rom'ing more dangerous, but won't make it impossible. Can't tell you how many times a battery pull has saved me from a botched flash attempt.
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You must have missed the part where I mentioned that the Xoom has a non-removable battery. Motorola thought about boot loops and freezes when they made that. I find it hard to believe that they won't provide a similar solution on any non-removable battery phones as well.
My understanding of Moto's position was that they were pro-unlocked bootloader -but it's the carriers that ultimately have the final say. So I doubt the non-removable battery has anything to do with hacking...it probably has more to do with making the phone slimmer - understandable considering the new phones coming to market 4Q.
cryptiq said:
My understanding of Moto's position was that they were pro-unlocked bootloader -but it's the carriers that ultimately have the final say. So I doubt the non-removable battery has anything to do with hacking...it probably has more to do with making the phone slimmer - understandable considering the new phones coming to market 4Q.
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I agree with this conclusion, as a non-removable battery can become an integrated component of the PCB if desired. This would make the phone considerably less hefty in the waistband.
Banggugyangu said:
I agree with this conclusion, as a non-removable battery can become an integrated component of the PCB if desired. This would make the phone considerably less hefty in the waistband.
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What good is a thin phone when you have carry some USB power source and USB cable around. An extra battery fit's beautifully in a shirt pocket.
The lack of a removable battery is a complete deal breaker for me. At least until batteries improve a lot and/or CPUs/GPUs/screens/radios improve a lot (like a factor of 2 or 3!)
With how power hungry these phones are it's unbelievable to me that this is a trend. Perhaps if the iPhone 4S battery debacle doesn't get solved fast, perhaps it'll bring to the fore just how stupid the trend of non replaceable batteries is.
I think a major reason besides thinner phones (which I do think is a major factor in this trend) I think the resellers and makers see how an older dying battery will encourage a whole phone upgrade rather than going through the trouble of replacing an internal battery on a year old phone.
dylanear said:
What good is a thin phone when you have carry some USB power source and USB cable around. An extra battery fit's beautifully in a shirt pocket.
The lack of a removable battery is a complete deal breaker for me. At least until batteries improve a lot and/or CPUs/GPUs/screens/radios improve a lot (like a factor of 2 or 3!)
With how power hungry these phones are it's unbelievable to me that this is a trend. Perhaps if the iPhone 4S battery debacle doesn't get solved fast, perhaps it'll bring to the fore just how stupid the trend of non replaceable batteries is.
I think a major reason besides thinner phones (which I do think is a major factor in this trend) I think the resellers and makers see how an older dying battery will encourage a whole phone upgrade rather than going through the trouble of replacing an internal battery on a year old phone.
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Although this whole thread is off topic, you're sending it even further off into BFE....we weren't trying to justify a non-removable battery in any way, we were merely providing a possible explanation as to why the RAZR has one.
I would say go ahead and start a new thread...but this one is apparently already pointless enough. Can we kill it now....please?
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Is there hope for a future Droid with LTE, Global, 4" screen and removable battery?
Droid 3 is nearly everything I want except for: no 4G, 512mb, locked bootloader.
I was very disappointed learning the Droid 4 had no removable battery and wasn't a global phone.
It seems those of us who value physical keyboards are getting an ever-dwindling selection of phones to choose from.
Droid 4 is a global phone, but VZ isn't going to release a radio firmware update to unlock the global features yet. Though the battery isn't claimed to be user replaceable, but it actually is with some simple steps.
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Yes. It's called the Samsung Stratosphere. Sure the specs are dated and the memory is low, but it has everything else you ask for.
I think there is a good possibility that you will continue to see more phones with physical keyboards and increasingly better specs in the near future. There must still a big enough market demand for this kind of phone, Motorola didn't even wait 6 months between the D3 and the D4. You will probably see a few more slide-out QWERTY phones before the end of this year. Better screens and LTE.... definetly, global and removable battery.... maybe, unlocked bootloader..... not if it is made by Motorola!
ChristianPreachr said:
Yes. It's called the Samsung Stratosphere. Sure the specs are dated and the memory is low, but it has everything else you ask for.
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It's not global, though.
I think that removable batteries will be more rare in high-end devices. People want thinner phones with more battery capacity, and it's hard to be both with a removable battery pack. And the success of iPods, iPhones, iPads, Kindles, etc., etc., show that more than enough people don't care if the battery cannot be removed.
See, that's the thing, do people actually want thinner devices, or are they buying them because that's all there is to buy?
As it is, I deliberately went with my Droid 3 instead of the Stratosphere and Bionic when I got my phone because it had a hardware keyboard and (I thought) comparable specs. My battery life is bad, but no worse than every other Android phone I've ever owned, or smartphone for that matter (no Blackberries, those aren't smartphones, they're webapps).
Recently I've considered buying a 3500mA battery with a huge, ugly thick battery door just so my phone might have multiple day battery life. And right now, the competition is so dismal and battery life is so universally bad among smartphones on all platforms that the first company to come out with a smartphone with dumbphone battery life should make a killing.
LaTropa64, the way I understand it the 4 will technically work globally after the radio update (like eXecuter.bin said) simply because Verizon LTE hardware takes a sim card and has some weird interoperability with GSM networks, which is what the rest of the world uses. Myself, I don't give a crap because I'm not roaming internationally any time soon, nor is anyone I know. To me the non-removeable battery is a way bigger problem..
..but should it be? Would people even care about the battery if it had ENOUGH battery life? I used to use a Samsung i737 Winmo PDA phone that shipped with both an extended & standard batteries, and I had to swap to get through a single day. That was the most annoying thing about that phone to me, was having to stop, pull the battery, and give it the full 5 minutes to reboot afterwards, every single day. If it came down to it, just because of those experiences, I would always buy a phone with a large-enough non-removeable battery over one with multiples.
EDIT: Notice I said "WITH DUMPHONE BATTERY LIFE" above. That's really the key; to me, the Droid Razr Maxx with its "You can make it through 1.2 days!" battery life isn't nearly good enough, they're about 4 days short. My work cell phone sneers quietly as it's on 24/7 for five full days without needing a charge...
http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/22/google-officially-closes-deal-for-motorola-mobility/
What does this mean for us...?
Nothing? >_>
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Hopefully an unlocked bootloader, kept promises, and faster releases. Either way, I dont see it being any worse than what we had before.
Expect the worst, hope for the best.
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It means Sanjay Jha is gone as CEO. Thankfully.
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It means Sanjay Jha is gone as CEO. Thankfully.
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While I understand they want to run Motorola independently, I do hope they have Moto follow the principles they themselves believe in. Only time will tell.
True.
Expecting the worst:
1. Webtop Gone
2. Making slimmer and slimmer phones that may or may not survive a day of usage.
3. Keep on delivering slower than competition technology (pen tile resolution, slower processor)
4. Keep on failing to fulfill customer's needs.
Hoping:
1. As google does not make PC's/ laptops, and strong resources. Hoping they develop Webtop software and push it further.
2. Continue to make phones thick enough to hold firmly and slim enough to not create bulge under ur pocket (ex. razr maxx). 3300mah would be a good guideline.
3. Keeping up with the competition with newest hardwares (processor, GP). Coz to be honest, no phone craves processing speed like Motorola does (with it's webtop requirements.
4. Better customer support.
I will not change to other branded phones, solely because of the webtop software.
randyang said:
True.
Expecting the worst:
1. Webtop Gone
2. Making slimmer and slimmer phones that may or may not survive a day of usage.
3. Keep on delivering slower than competition technology (pen tile resolution, slower processor)
4. Keep on failing to fulfill customer's needs.
Hoping:
1. As google does not make PC's/ laptops, and strong resources. Hoping they develop Webtop software and push it further.
2. Continue to make phones thick enough to hold firmly and slim enough to not create bulge under ur pocket (ex. razr maxx). 3300mah would be a good guideline.
3. Keeping up with the competition with newest hardwares (processor, GP). Coz to be honest, no phone craves processing speed like Motorola does (with it's webtop requirements.
4. Better customer support.
I will not change to other branded phones, solely because of the webtop software.
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pentile doesn't deserve the rap it gets. Yes, it causes some pixelation, but readability outside is important to me. Also, I really don't think Moto phones are underpowered. At the moment they don't really have a 'superphone', but a bunch of newer CPUs just came out...
Personally, I hope Google:
1) Keeps a hardware keyboard model
2) Unlocks the bootloaders
That's it. The latest version of Blur on the D4 does not bother me (after you replace the launcher). The D4 is fast, has a great keyboard, good design. The only thing that is disappointing about it is the locked bootloader. And the non-removable battery. But I won't even get into that...
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pentile doesn't deserve the rap it gets. Yes, it causes some pixelation, but readability outside is important to me. Also, I really don't think Moto phones are underpowered. At the moment they don't really have a 'superphone', but a bunch of newer CPUs just came out...
Personally, I hope Google:
1) Keeps a hardware keyboard model
2) Unlocks the bootloaders
That's it. The latest version of Blur on the D4 does not bother me (after you replace the launcher). The D4 is fast, has a great keyboard, good design. The only thing that is disappointing about it is the locked bootloader. And the non-removable battery. But I won't even get into that...
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This +1. These are my only two concerns. Keep the keyboard and unlock the bootloader!
I still fail to understand how there has been a systematic removal of keyboards from almost all phones by manufacturers when there clearly remains a reasonably sized market segment that still wants them!
--Randall
podspi said:
pentile doesn't deserve the rap it gets. Yes, it causes some pixelation, but readability outside is important to me. Also, I really don't think Moto phones are underpowered. At the moment they don't really have a 'superphone', but a bunch of newer CPUs just came out...
Personally, I hope Google:
1) Keeps a hardware keyboard model
2) Unlocks the bootloaders
That's it. The latest version of Blur on the D4 does not bother me (after you replace the launcher). The D4 is fast, has a great keyboard, good design. The only thing that is disappointing about it is the locked bootloader. And the non-removable battery. But I won't even get into that...
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randallman said:
This +1. These are my only two concerns. Keep the keyboard and unlock the bootloader!
I still fail to understand how there has been a systematic removal of keyboards from almost all phones by manufacturers when there clearly remains a reasonably sized market segment that still wants them!
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I haven't noticed the problems people complain about with the pentile display either. I love the readability of it outdoors, even when it's set at minimal brightness.
A larger battery would be nice but wasn't a deal breaker for me, I just bought an extra usb cable and keep it plugged into my computer at work and I have no issues making it through an average work day even under heavy use.
I was very excited about the N5 for months. I'm still using a GNex, so I was looking forward to the upgrade. I was actually on the Play Store today within minutes of the phone going on sale, ready to buy the 32bg model. But before I dropped $400, I wanted to check one thing - is the battery user replaceable. It's not, and I didn't buy the phone.
Now before you say just get an external battery, let me explain. I travel very frequently, flying at least 6x per year or more. Thus, my needs are a little different than most. I currently have a 4000mah battery for the GNex that can get me through a 12 hour day of heavy internet, game, and screen usage. I also carry a spare just in case (although I've only needed it once - it was there). The external battery just doesn't provide the portability I need.
So now I'm left with one of these choices:
1. Get a TMo or Google S4 (so I can use CM) - around $450 used
2. Get a G2 Korean Edition (sdcard and removable battery) - $800 new
3. Wait for the S5
Right now, I'm heavily leaning towards option 3. It will do many things better than the N5 for maybe $250 more. I still love the GNex, and I have no overwhelming need to upgrade now. Still though, I had high hopes for the N5. Why did Google have to go with LG instead of Samsung...
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Why were you on the Play Store? It was obvious Nexus will not have the removable battery and probably never will. Look elsewhere.
All I can say is, Google (or anyone, while we're at it) can never please everyone in this world.
Maybe the device is not for you. It's $349, it's cheap and it gets the jobs done for most of those who loves the Nexus series.
Wait until some DIY videos coming on YouTube to teach you how to replace battery for N5
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Maybe you need a tablet with a large battery instead of a phone for extended gaming lol.
3,000mAh on 16 GB was just a rumour squashed after FCC filings were released and Nexus 4 didn't have a removable battery.. so likelihoods of this having one were slim :|
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Why were you on the Play Store? It was obvious Nexus will not have the removable battery and probably never will. Look elsewhere.
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Actually, from the pics, it looked like the back was removable. It doesn't resemble the N4 at all.
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Wait until some DIY videos coming on YouTube to teach you how to replace battery for N5
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I doubt I'll be able to swap in an airport terminal.
ranadylt said:
All I can say is, Google (or anyone, while we're at it) can never please everyone in this world.
Maybe the device is not for you. It's $349, it's cheap and it gets the jobs done for most of those who loves the Nexus series.
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I 100% agree. The N5 is a steal at $350/$400. Unfortunately, it doesn't meet my needs.
Maybe a power pack? I don't have it but I heard some people are using power pack on N4
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Maybe a power pack? I don't have it but I heard some people are using power pack on N4
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Kind of kills the portability, at least for me. I just want the ability to put an extended battery in the phone and not worry about carrying two things at once.
SO get a G2 with a 3000+ battery. Kitkat will be out sooon for it. Actually Im very happy with the G2!!
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Kind of kills the portability, at least for me. I just want the ability to put an extended battery in the phone and not worry about carrying two things at once.
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May be a case with attached battery.. Or else wait. Now many companies doesn't provide replaceable battery except for Samsung.
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mx597turbo said:
Kind of kills the portability, at least for me. I just want the ability to put an extended battery in the phone and not worry about carrying two things at once.
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Don't be in a hurry..wait for some battery/screen time reports here. If you can go a whole day with power to spare, who cares if the battery is fixed? The combination in this unit may surprise you. If you're already convinced you need a replaceable cell, obviously not the phone for you. And that's fine, too.
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SO get a G2 with a 3000+ battery. Kitkat will be out sooon for it. Actually Im very happy with the G2!!
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For an extra $150, I could get the Korean version - removable battery and microSD support. But $800 is ALOT to drop on a phone. Regular G2 without removable battery is no better than an N5 to me, except it costs about $200 more.
I have the same issue, just like you I own a GNex still, how I fixed my problem is owning an additional spare battery and keep it in my wallet.
Unfortunately Google has gone in the direction of non-removable batteries since the N4 and the same with this new device, I had to look else where for extra power. since I can kill both of my batteries 2 x 1750 mAh within 6 hours if I was really bored lol.
As of now, I picked up a 11,600 mAh power bank. yes it's bulky and and an additional thing to carry but it came with a 2 Amp supply usb plug. and I charge quickly with that socket. it cuts my charge time down near 40%. so when I'm low I throw it on that and within 20 minutes I get 30% easily. just put down your phone for a coffee break, it won't kill you
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Don't be in a hurry..wait for some battery/screen time reports here. If you can go a whole day with power to spare, who cares if the battery is fixed? The combination in this unit may surprise you. If you're already convinced you need a replaceable cell, obviously not the phone for you. And that's fine, too.
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Trust me, delays at the airport will kill a 2300mah battery. And some don't have any outlets available to recharge.
I have a morphie battery pack on my gs3. The phone fits in it like a case. Maybe that would suit your needs.
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it doesn't meet my needs.
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this thread is full of win win win
In this day and age, the need for a removable battery is becoming a bit unnecessary IMO. For $50 or less you can easily find a separate rechargeable battery to carry with you that can provide anywhere from 6000mAh to 10000mAh battery and not just one device-specific battery would; it would use a traditional USB port so you can use it for other devices as well, and allow for the ability to power/recharge something like the Nexus 5 for days on end or multiple recharges over several days time to extend your usage.
I'd love to have a Nexus 5, really, but I won't bother and the primary reason is (again) no expandable storage. I appreciate that everyone at Google believes in "the cloud" and I really hate that phrase, it's client-server and has been for 50+ years now, just calling it "the cloud" means nothing to me in the long run.
But I prefer local storage, even though I have 18,000+ songs sitting on my Google Play account I still have a few thousand of them on the microSD card in my LG Optimus G for local playback, and I'm not really interested in having everything in "the cloud" anyway.
Not having a removable battery in the Nexus 5 isn't even a consideration for me anymore, hasn't been for a long time because I have a nice little 4-AA battery charger I use with 4 high capacity (2600mAh) AA rechargeables - the other benefit is that even if those were to die on me at some point I can always get AA batteries most anywhere.
Just my $.02 I suppose...
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Still though, I had high hopes for the N5. Why did Google have to go with LG instead of Samsung...
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Because Samsung is moving away from making devices for anyone but themselves, and according to recent reports, they're actually working towards a custom version of Android for their own specific devices - they may even end up creating an entirely new OS for their own devices and just move away from Android completely, aka Tizen which is still being developed.
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Trust me, delays at the airport will kill a 2300mah battery. And some don't have any outlets available to recharge.
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Then you need to carry a power bank. I mean, if you're going to carry another cell around anyway to swap, why not carry one that truly buys you days of power, only double or triple a regular cell's thickness, and not need to take off a cover?
As most of you may have noticed, with the OP3 going out of production and the arrival of the 3T, one thing has remained strikingly similar. And that sometimes could lead to upgrades on users' current phones that are the OnePlus 3.
Just like HTC with the One X and the One X+, the bigger battery from the X+ yielded much greater performance in the battery department and surprisingly in the heat department too. The battery from the OP3T (disassembly and analysis is awaited) could potentially be used in our phone for greater (than usual) battery performance.
The structure of the housing looks to be the same, and the way the OP3 is built, the housings are merely just shells to wrap around the internals, nothing major (like the iPhone) so the Gun Metal casing could potentially be transferred over to the OP3.
This is all just based on speculation however. Time will tell when eventually iFixit or someone else performs a teardown.
My thoughts
Wouldn't say no to a bigger battery but time will tell
Same thought here as well,
I've been doing iphone parts repair n replacement for years,,
And what ive been doing quite often recently was placing an iphone 6+ battery to iphone 6s+,
The benefit is, the older model has slightly bigger battery, thus giving better battery life,
Hopefully OP using same connector for both OP3 & OP3T and hopefully the voltage spec didn't altered much. So that the tinkering one can see what can be achieved
Also wouldn't say no to a bigger battery but it's a moot point at this time since OP won't be selling it independently. Was just talking to Jeff on live chat and he said that they have no plans on selling any phone parts. Also, it's incompatible.
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Also wouldn't say no to a bigger battery but it's a moot point at this time since OP won't be selling it independently. Was just talking to Jeff on live chat and he said that they have no plans on selling any phone parts. Also, it's incompatible.
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That's a real bummer. However I'm sure part resellers (like some of them do) will be buying phones to take them apart and then resell parts.
Someone in the Reddit AMA recently noted that the battery does fit - OnePlus agreed more or less that it's merely just a more dense cell. Which is great news!
Where did you get that info? If it's compatible that would be huge. Only thing from that phone I would like is that battery! :fingers-crossed:
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Where did you get that info? If it's compatible that would be huge. Only thing from that phone I would like is that battery! :fingers-crossed:
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A user on Reddit stated that the battery does indeed fit and OnePlus (Carl or Pete) said that the battery is the same with more dense cells to increase capacity while maintaining the size
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A user on Reddit stated that the battery does indeed fit and OnePlus (Carl or Pete) said that the battery is the same with more dense cells to increase capacity while maintaining the size
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In this case size doesn't matter. It's still incompatible with OP3. Aaron mentioned it. Screenshot attached.
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In this case size doesn't matter. It's still incompatible with OP3. Aaron mentioned it. Screenshot attached.
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I wouldn't blindly trust that statement. The battery most likely works if it fits. Of course it's also possible that the battery management system (BMS) would notice that the battery doesn't match preprogrammed values and that would render the battery incompatible but I doubt that. I would guess though that the the extra capacity would be wasted. I don't know where the BMS is implemented but it would need to be changed as well to get the new battery fully charged to its higher voltage. The old BMS would stop charging sooner and the capacity would be the same as in OP3.
Guess we'll have to wait for the teardown to be sure or maybe some brave soul to try it out for us.
Also a quote from reddit
I think it will work just fine because the phone charges until a certain voltage is reached. So the nominal Wh of the OP3T battery in OP3 will be 12.92Wh instead of 13.09Wh (that the battery of OP3T is capable of). Now, the OP3 has 11.4Wh so it will be an improvement.
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I DMed Zach from JRE and we discussed other scenarios. I did tell him that the battery charges until the battery controller chip knows the battery reaches maximum charge. Looks like the battery definitely works! This is great news. And it shouldn't void warranty either, I took a look inside and there's only one warranty sticker which doesn't get pierced after changing the battery. I guess you could keep the old one safe incase anything happens.
Now to wait for batteries to surface
That's great news indeed. I'm now only concerned about the lowest safe voltage that the new battery can reach. If it's the same as the old one then there's nothing wrong with just swapping it but otherwise it could discharge to the point of not being able to be charged again. That's without software tweaks ofcourse. Could you also ask this question too? That would probably alleviate any potential dangers of it being swapped before anyone builds software to support it.
I'm still rocking an old Note 4 on what seems to be the last possible rom ever released for it (pie) but my hand is forced and i must be moving on to a new device, with T-mobile killing off Sprint's old CDMA services
after some research, it seems Tmo's note 9 is the next best fit for my needs and desires but i dont want to jump in blind.... it looks like the phone modding community is significantly hindered in modern times, compared to 3 to 6 years ago and requirements to root looks to be much more conditional / strict
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i am not interested in picking up a device with a halfcocked recovery that is not capable of very important functions, or that can be nullified / wiped / reverted in ways other than directly re-flashing a recovery (or rom) i have seen several recoveries that were subject to such situations over the years..... does recovery enjoy a permanent status on the USA variants?
this is in no way bashing any kind of dev or phone or project, rather trying to identify the "rootability"
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from what i see, USA variants are snapdragon / qualcomm, correct?
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bootloader details... i experienced with both of my last phone choices that bootloader lockdown has increased with updates... and i seen in another thread here on the Note 9 section that specific bootloader versions are "recommended" so is this a situation of only the older Note 9's being compatible? is this "OEM Unlock" situation involving an exploit or genuinely unlocked as easy as 1 2 3
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anything else i should be watching for with the Note 9 such as common types of failure? the ability to root the thing holds my attention to buying this device much more than failures could possibly turn me away, but would like to know what i'm working with
How are you going to verify the battery health on a device thats this old now? Asking for a friend
by using my fingernail to pop off the battery door, removing the old battery and putting in a new one, and pop the door back on
one of the best features to ever exist on a phone, but the world seems to disagree with this notion.
Sterist said:
by using my fingernail to pop off the battery door, removing the old battery and putting in a new one, and pop the door back on
one of the best features to ever exist on a phone, but the world seems to disagree with this notion.
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then the backcase wont have a fancy material like alu or glass like now.
and one of the most important reasons is that they want to to buy new phone when your old one get worse battery life, not just a new battery pack.
yaibakt said:
then the backcase wont have a fancy material like alu or glass like now.
and one of the most important reasons is that they want to to buy new phone when your old one get worse battery life, not just a new battery pack.
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then with aluminum or glass back cover, if i put the phone on my lap, the phone slides right off and hits the floor
but they do this because they want you to buy a new screen every year rather than look at a burned yellow tint, right? lol..... no no no... they do it because everyone is supposed to have their phone in a case....
wrooong again, this is the internet, where no answer is correct
Sterist said:
by using my fingernail to pop off the battery door, removing the old battery and putting in a new one, and pop the door back on
one of the best features to ever exist on a phone, but the world seems to disagree with this notion.
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Good luck using the nail method with the Note 9. You mentioned that's what you were looking at buying a note 9 and my response was how are you going to check its battery health. Remember?
This is a funny thread.
USA variants are Snapdragon, a better processor, however there is the N9600 with dual sim and Exynos, if you must find a Note9 that is easier to root.
Also, battery will last a few years IF YOU TAKE CARE OF IT!! ...by not deep cycling it often and slow charging it.
(you can do lots of things to help with battery time, like not cranking up screen brightness, or leaving radios off when not in use).
If you are coming from a Note4 and you like a phone to last 6+ years, then you should look for a phone with replaceable battery and fully unlocked. Thought about a Motorola? (LOL, I might be kidding)
My answer.... Don't buy a USA Note9 if you want unlocked bootloader or "rootability"
Also, don't buy a Samsung. They are not cool anymore.