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[REQUEST] Beta Update Etiquette

So, some of you may have received an email requesting you fill out a short survey for a chance to be included in the beta test for the upcoming AT&T Atrix firmware update. I implore you to read this message and at least consider it.
I write this as a request to the members of the XDA community to be respectful to Motorola. Frankly, I was absolutely embarrassed to be a member of this community with how many of you handled the last beta test. Posting confidential information, breaking the NDA, posting restricted tools on the Motorola forum itself? It doesn't matter what "morals" you decide you want to follow, take it somewhere else please. That kind of behavior does nothing but HINDER our cause. If I was Motorola, and I looked at how my end users reacted to something they agreed to uphold, I wouldn't want to give them anything further. Play by the rules. You don't have to agree with them, and if you don't like them, you're free to protest, but do so within the CURRENT rules and laws. File a complaint, write a petition, picket outside Motorola's HQ, but please:
Don't break NDA.
Don't post restricted files.
Don't yell and scream and swear at Motorola.
You do nothing but make us look like fools when you do these things.
This thread is not meant to open discussion. This thread is not meant to start a flame war. This thread is my personal request to the members of the XDA community as one of the few developers actually working on the platform right now: Please be civil, and please be mature.
Thank you.
-Ririal (aka Fenrir)

I see where you're coming from, but I reserve the right to yell and cuss at whomever I want. ;-)
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Ririal said:
So, some of you may have received an email requesting you fill out a short survey for a chance to be included in the beta test for the upcoming AT&T Atrix firmware update. I implore you to read this message and at least consider it.
I write this as a request to the members of the XDA community to be respectful to Motorola. Frankly, I was absolutely embarrassed to be a member of this community with how many of you handled the last beta test. Posting confidential information, breaking the NDA, posting restricted tools on the Motorola forum itself? It doesn't matter what "morals" you decide you want to follow, take it somewhere else please. That kind of behavior does nothing but HINDER our cause. If I was Motorola, and I looked at how my end users reacted to something they agreed to uphold, I wouldn't want to give them anything further. Play by the rules. You don't have to agree with them, and if you don't like them, you're free to protest, but do so within the CURRENT rules and laws. File a complaint, write a petition, picket outside Motorola's HQ, but please:
Don't break NDA.
Don't post restricted files.
Don't yell and scream and swear at Motorola.
You do nothing but make us look like fools when you do these things.
This thread is not meant to open discussion. This thread is not meant to start a flame war. This thread is my personal request to the members of the XDA community as one of the few developers actually working on the platform right now: Please be civil, and please be mature.
Thank you.
-Ririal (aka Fenrir)
(p.s. to moderators, if you feel I'm out of line, you may remove this thread at any point.)
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Thanks so much for posting this... i felt the exact same way

+100 (to Ririal's OP, not the clown who posted right before me)
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basically, dont bring xda into it.

mafiaboy01 said:
Well I'm not worried about moto doing anything to me, they'll come after me as fast as there getting the bootloader unlocked.
Bite me
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Its people like you that ruin the hard work others put into this and other issues we may have with companies. He didnt mention anything about them coming after one of us or any of us for that matter he simply asked us to not break NDA (something that is Legally speaking far more dangerous than you take for granted) and also to not make our community (that is to say the developer community) look like complete loser's. who would honestly want to help someone who is constantly screaming and cursing at them? I know i wouldn't and I say that from COMPLETE Experience seeing as thats EXACTLY what I do on a daily basis and I constantly make people do the harder work if they are yelling at me. so why not just get your head out of your butt and act a bit more mature about the OP and maybe be more respectful.
To the moderators,
I apologize as I know this is attacking a specific person and that is not usually something that is allowed. But people like this need to realize just the potential they hold for possibly taking down something as great as these forums. If you feel that you need to remove my post please do so, but I ask that in this case you may let me know so that I realize just how strict on these rules you may be.

caderon said:
Its people like you that ruin the hard work others put into this and other issues we may have with companies. He didnt mention anything about them coming after one of us or any of us for that matter he simply asked us to not break NDA (something that is Legally speaking far more dangerous than you take for granted) and also to not make our community (that is to say the developer community) look like complete loser's. who would honestly want to help someone who is constantly screaming and cursing at them? I know i wouldn't and I say that from COMPLETE Experience seeing as thats EXACTLY what I do on a daily basis and I constantly make people do the harder work if they are yelling at me. so why not just get your head out of your butt and act a bit more mature about the OP and maybe be more respectful.
To the moderators,
I apologize as I know this is attacking a specific person and that is not usually something that is allowed. But people like this need to realize just the potential they hold for possibly taking down something as great as these forums. If you feel that you need to remove my post please do so, but I ask that in this case you may let me know so that I realize just how strict on these rules you may be.
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Happy ?
Sent from Motorola Atrix on TELUS.

+1 fully agree with OP. Posting elements of the update will get poster in trouble and could get XDA in trouble. Also behave like a civilized person yelling and screaming as a child got you nothing and it'll do nothing now... just my 2 cents
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I have to laugh a little at this post. While I think the post has the best of intentions, this entire community is in the "business" of violating user agreements --the development sub-forum, in particular. Now, before you say that by rooting devices, you are only voiding your warranty, Motorola (Apple, Samsung, or just about any other vendor) would claim that XDA is violating their intellectual property. This is why people receive the C&D letters when sbf's and the like are posted.
Fortunately, the Library of Congress has explicitly ruled that these activities essentially fall under the fair use clauses of copyright law (http://www.copyright.gov/fedreg/2010/75fr43825.pdf). While this has yet to be thoroughly tested in the courts, as long as xda's activities remain non-commercial, Motorola would likely lose a legal battle trying to close down such activities. So, their only substantial alternative is to void your warranty.
I think comments like "Play by the rules. You don't have to agree with them, and if you don't like them, you're free to protest, but do so within the CURRENT rules and laws. File a complaint, write a petition, picket outside Motorola's HQ" are a bit of the pot calling the kettle black. Why can't you make those exact arguments when it comes to rooting your device?
These activities are legal, you are only voiding the contract you made with Motorola when you post items covered under an NDA. This is not illegal. This group of developers dedicates itself to violating contracts with Motorola and AT&T left and right. Why does this especially cross a line?
I do agree that people don't need to get nasty and go off on rants, but don't confuse rooting and related activities with something illegal.

decoyd said:
I have to laugh a little at this post. While I think the post has the best of intentions, this entire community is in the "business" of violating user agreements --the development sub-forum, in particular. Now, before you say that by rooting devices, you are only voiding your warranty, Motorola (Apple, Samsung, or just about any other vendor) would claim that XDA is violating their intellectual property. This is why people receive the C&D letters when sbf's and the like are posted.
Fortunately, the Library of Congress has explicitly ruled that these activities essentially fall under the fair use clauses of copyright law (http://www.copyright.gov/fedreg/2010/75fr43825.pdf). While this has yet to be thoroughly tested in the courts, as long as xda's activities remain non-commercial, Motorola would likely lose a legal battle trying to close down such activities. So, their only substantial alternative is to void your warranty.
I think comments like "Play by the rules. You don't have to agree with them, and if you don't like them, you're free to protest, but do so within the CURRENT rules and laws. File a complaint, write a petition, picket outside Motorola's HQ" are a bit of the pot calling the kettle black. Why can't you make those exact arguments when it comes to rooting your device?
These activities are legal, you are only voiding the contract you made with Motorola when you post items covered under an NDA. This is not illegal. This group of developers dedicates itself to violating contracts with Motorola and AT&T left and right. Why does this especially cross a line?
I do agree that people don't need to get nasty and go off on rants, but don't confuse rooting and related activities with something illegal.
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You're not understanding what he's saying.
He's telling people who sign up for Moto's beta test, to actually follow the NDA (non-disclosure agreement), and not post the update.zip files that we are supplied as beta testers. It is against the agreement we make with Moto when we sign up and accept the beta test update. That has NOTHING to do with rooting your phone or modifying your files on your phone.
Example: I get the update, immediately pull the .zip off my internal SD card and throw it on Megaupload and post the link for everyone to have.
Doing that basically tells Motorola "F you and your beta testing", and shows that we have no intentions of working with them. All that will do is stop them from trying to work with us (and even if you don't think they are because they're not giving us the golden keys to their phone, they are still trying to work with us as a consumer in the fullest capacity they can as a commercial company).
We can have the situation where we get zero testing to updates until they're released, or even worse ZERO updates because Motorola no longer feels the consumer has any desire to work with them, or we can have a synergistic relationship going to the extent that both parties can get at least some part of their way.
Having them unlock the bootloader for us is honestly IMO never going to happen. NO phone company is doing this, so it's silly to think they will or that we deserve it. Devs are the ones who unlock or bypass bootloaders and all our Android phones; devs will find a way, a 3rd party will find a way, but Motorola has zero interest in doing that for us and to think otherwise is foolish. So what they DO give us, may help other people to figure it out and crack it themselves. But we need things to work both ways, with Moto giving a little room for us to update our software and continue on with Android's progress.

To correct some misunderstandings: You have the right to jailbreak your device, but you do not have the right to posses or share someones intellectual property without permission, or break NDA.

Agree and disagree with op. Agree because we should not be breaking such an agreement. Disagree because such an agreement should not exist in the first place.
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dLo GSR said:
It is against the agreement we make with Moto when we sign up and accept the beta test update. That has NOTHING to do with rooting your phone or modifying your files on your phone.
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(1) You violate (or at least I do) agreements with Motorola all the time. Why is this time different?
(2) This has EVERYTHING to do with root. The whole reason people do this is to keep phones unlocked/rooted.
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Doing that basically tells Motorola "F you and your beta testing", and shows that we have no intentions of working with them.
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(3) False. If we were given a way to obtain root or have an unlocked bootloader through official channels, you can make this argument. As the situation is quite the opposite, I don't see how this is a valid conclusion.
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All that will do is stop them from trying to work with us
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(4) I'm honestly baffled by this statement.
Saying that these activities is going to push Motorola to provide "ZERO" updates is ludicrous. Could it encourage them to not offer betas before release? Maybe, but I doubt it. They need feedback.
In the end, I just reiterate: Why draw the line at posting files from betas? SBFs are posted all the time. We violate our agreements all the time, so what's so different this time?

knigitz said:
To correct some misunderstandings: You have the right to jailbreak your device, but you do not have the right to posses or share someones intellectual property without permission, or break NDA.
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False. The point is that jailbreaking is legal, and if you read the LoC ruling I posted, you'll see that the related activities of distributing their software (e.g. sbf's) is NOT a violation of their IP. Just like using clips from a copyrighted movie in a documentary without permission is not a violation of copyright. NDAs are no different than the EULAs which are violated left and right. What's the big difference between everyone happily violating their user agreements with Motorola and AT&T but somehow the NDA is now sacrosanct.
Added links: http://www.copyright.gov/1201/docs/2006_statement.html and http://www.copyright.gov/fedreg/2006/71fr68472.html

I'd tend to agree with the OP ..
Stuff will leak, and the fact is we're all looking to get the next new thing / enhancement, but we should all demonstrate a little discretion if not for any other reason than to be practical ... The more blatant (some of the stuff on the mot forum bordered on ridiculous) the more likely the vendors will shift even more effort and resources to locking things down.
All imho, which when I last checked we're all entitled to

decoyd said:
(1) You violate (or at least I do) agreements with Motorola all the time. Why is this time different?
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Because this one isn't an implicit I-opened-the-product-box, you signed up as a beta tester, which is not a given privilege as a consumer. This is an OPT-IN test opportunity. Probably 98% of the people with the Atrix do not participate in this beta test. Like you said, we're allowed to root/jailbreak our phones technically because of the LoC ruling. That does not make you immune to breaking an NDA. Don't be ignorant. I have seen people sued and prosecuted for breaking NDAs, especially in my line of work.
I got the beta update, and I tried it, gave my feedback, and went back to 1.2.6. When someone figured out how to do root and they released the update ALL OF FIVE DAYS LATER, I updated. I do not believe that releasing the update to the masses in any way helped to re-gain root access for 4.1.57.
decoyd said:
(2) This has EVERYTHING to do with root. The whole reason people do this is to keep phones unlocked/rooted.
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While that may be true, and rooting in itself is not wrong, the process to get it by releasing a company's IP is. Geohot lost on this one with Sony. If you want the damn beta update so bad, then SIGN UP FOR IT. If you're so committed to finding root and unlocking our bootloader, THEN PARTICIPIATE in the beta. None of that requires you to break the NDA.
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(3) False. If we were given a way to obtain root or have an unlocked bootloader through official channels, you can make this argument. As the situation is quite the opposite, I don't see how this is a valid conclusion.
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You're right. Biting the hand that feeds you is a way better solution to getting what you want.
decoyd said:
(4) I'm honestly baffled by this statement.
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What, you don't understand common logic?
decoyd said:
Saying that these activities is going to push Motorola to provide "ZERO" updates is ludicrous. Could it encourage them to not offer betas before release? Maybe, but I doubt it. They need feedback.
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They don't need feedback from us. They can easily throw together a small focus group or do in-house testing or carrier testing that doesn't include us. Most companies work that way. We were fortunate to have Moto decide to include the general public.
decoyd said:
In the end, I just reiterate: Why draw the line at posting files from betas? SBFs are posted all the time. We violate our agreements all the time, so what's so different this time?
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You're opting in for this test. If you can't handle the rules and regulations, then don't do it and just wait and whine until the actual update is released. I can't remember anyone complaining of signing up for the Beta and not getting in, so if you want the damn file, then sign up and get to work.
And thank you for ignoring about 50% of my post.

decoyd said:
I have to laugh a little at this post. While I think the post has the best of intentions, this entire community is in the "business" of violating user agreements --the development sub-forum, in particular. Now, before you say that by rooting devices, you are only voiding your warranty, Motorola (Apple, Samsung, or just about any other vendor) would claim that XDA is violating their intellectual property. This is why people receive the C&D letters when sbf's and the like are posted.
Fortunately, the Library of Congress has explicitly ruled that these activities essentially fall under the fair use clauses of copyright law (http://www.copyright.gov/fedreg/2010/75fr43825.pdf). While this has yet to be thoroughly tested in the courts, as long as xda's activities remain non-commercial, Motorola would likely lose a legal battle trying to close down such activities. So, their only substantial alternative is to void your warranty.
I think comments like "Play by the rules. You don't have to agree with them, and if you don't like them, you're free to protest, but do so within the CURRENT rules and laws. File a complaint, write a petition, picket outside Motorola's HQ" are a bit of the pot calling the kettle black. Why can't you make those exact arguments when it comes to rooting your device?
These activities are legal, you are only voiding the contract you made with Motorola when you post items covered under an NDA. This is not illegal. This group of developers dedicates itself to violating contracts with Motorola and AT&T left and right. Why does this especially cross a line?
I do agree that people don't need to get nasty and go off on rants, but don't confuse rooting and related activities with something illegal.
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And I have to laugh at how you didn't even read what the post was about.
This is about the beta test, nothing more, nothing less. The entirety of the test is enclosed under an NDA, which regardless of your personal or moral standards, is a legally binding contract and should not be broken. Last time there was a beta test, users willingly and knowingly broke the NDA and posted the confidential information all over the forums. Most of those threads were shut down immediately. When I root my device, I'm not breaking a signed agreement that says I won't root my device. It's not even close to the same thing, you're overgeneralizing the subject. I'm talking about a very specific thing here, not android hacking in general.
Also, an NDA is a legally binding contract, and it IS illegal to break. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-disclosure_agreement

dLo GSR said:
Having them unlock the bootloader for us is honestly IMO never going to happen. NO phone company is doing this, so it's silly to think they will or that we deserve it. Devs are the ones who unlock or bypass bootloaders and all our Android phones; devs will find a way, a 3rd party will find a way, but Motorola has zero interest in doing that for us and to think otherwise is foolish. So what they DO give us, may help other people to figure it out and crack it themselves. But we need things to work both ways, with Moto giving a little room for us to update our software and continue on with Android's progress.
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Then why is HTC so responsive to 3rd party devs? (Excluding Thunderbolt, wtf is with that) I have Cognition on my Captivate, and CM7 on my Inspire. So forgive me if I decide to disagree with you that it's not silly to want an unlocked bootloader.
Especially on my captivate. The thing is complete crap without Cognition. Yet I was able to easily install ROM manager and Cognition and slap it on there. It's only Motorola right now that are big enough pricks to do this to us. Sony gave their users a way to install ROMs. Now it's only us locked in the cage.

dLo GSR said:
If you can't handle the rules and regulations, then don't do it
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How do you justify rooting your phone? You are violating their rules and regulations. Nobody is forcing you to buy their product.

NDA's are pretty serious business. Just because Motorola doesn't sue you doesn't change this fact. Lifetime friends of mine that work at Microsoft and Google can't tell me what they are working on specifically. I've gotten used to responses like "working on Google Maps" and not bothering them for more details because I respect their NDAs.
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And I have to laugh at how you didn't even read what the post was about.
This is about the beta test, nothing more, nothing less. The entirety of the test is enclosed under an NDA, which regardless of your personal or moral standards, is a legally binding contract and should not be broken. Last time there was a beta test, users willingly and knowingly broke the NDA and posted the confidential information all over the forums. Most of those threads were shut down immediately. When I root my device, I'm not breaking a signed agreement that says I won't root my device. It's not even close to the same thing, you're overgeneralizing the subject. I'm talking about a very specific thing here, not android hacking in general.
Also, an NDA is a legally binding contract, and it IS illegal to break. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-disclosure_agreement
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HTC locked bootloader petition - please sign!

A disgruntled HTC phone owner has started a petition on a consumer website called Groubal, which takes petitions directly to companies as a complaint on behalf of the consumers who sign them.
If, like me, you're unhappy about HTC's new policy of locking bootloaders to prevent people rooting and installing custom ROMs on their phones, then please go to this page and sign. It might actually force HTC to listen to its customers if we get enough signatures.
Thanks!

Thanks for the link.. signed and shared it everyway I could..
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signed it...... want this to go all the way to success.....

Signed
I hope this helps.

done. Already mailed HTC personally a few times. They always evade the point

thanks for the link - signed

Another signature added!
Fingers crossed for some action from HTC.
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Put it up on Facebook and some Android IRC channels that I know of.. Keep those numbers ticking.

not signed.

Signed and ive also put this up on my home forum and asked em to make some noise ... I love being an admin/global mod ^_^
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it most likely has no use, since most companys are stubborn as hell, unless they are actually losing customers that wakes em up....
but i did sign it for you

Hawkysoft said:
it most likely has no use, since most companys are stubborn as hell, unless they are actually losing customers that wakes em up....
but i did sign it for you
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what he said, i too signed...hoping for better future in HTC developement..

Signed it.

I think we should start some kinda' mass FUD against HTC. Something like - latest phones are locked because HTC wants to steal your data. Unethical, but serves them right - and will at least do some damage.

signed it too

You guys who have Twitter do what I did.. first write a tweet about the petition with the link and at the end add @htc
Also you can tweet again the same with adding mentions to Twitter accounts of known android forums or of tech blogs like engadget..
Spread the word ppl..
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Remeber to facebook and also post on your home forums ...
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I have updated the Incredible S, and Sensation wikipedia pages - with the signed bootloader info.

Nice, they just posted this on their Twitter account.
"Thanks for the feedback, we're listening! We're reviewing our bootloader policy. Stay tuned here for more updates. http://on.fb.me/jog8Wa "

It's a start.. but that doesn't mean we should stop pursuing the matter.. it could take months for htc to make a move..
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Wow. Why can't Motorola be more like this?

The homebrew community may mourn HTC's Thunderbolt, Incredible S, Sensation and EVO 3D, but the company's controversial policy of locking bootloaders is no more. Following a tease yesterday, HTC CEO Peter Chou has decreed from on high -- namely, HTC's Facebook page -- that future devices will be open.
"There has been overwhelmingly customer feedback that people want access to open bootloaders on HTC phones. I want you to know that we've listened. Today, I'm confirming we will no longer be locking the bootloaders on our devices. Thanks for your passion, support and patience."
We're holding out hope that this policy will also be retroactive, but this is very welcome news regardless. Ball's in your court, Motorola.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/26/htc-officially-dissolves-locked-bootlader-policy/

Motorola has shown that they doesn't care about the community's feedback... but they won't ignore the other companies
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Just waiting for HTC in Argentina...
the News is that they will develop cellphones here...
hopefully

madrojo said:
Just waiting for HTC in Argentina...
the News is that they will develop cellphones here...
hopefully
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Does not help us droid users

victor.prs said:
Motorola has shown that they doesn't care about the community's feedback... but they won't ignore the other companies
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Thats so true if they want to stay in top three they got to be less strict

I've heard that motorola won't block own bootloader in years after 2011. I dream about unlocking mielstone bootloader, maybe dreams come true

sign this thing guys

i dont know if this is already well known but i just came across it. here is a petition for motorola mobility to unlock the bootloaders. sign if you like, i just did.
http://www.change.org/petitions/motorola-mobility-inc-unlock-all-smartphone-bootloaders-2

This is very well known. Belongs in the general section, and there are already three other threads qwith this. And bout ten threads that turned into talks like this. All unlock talk has already discussed
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Sorry, just trying to help. My search turned up no threads like this, and theres really no reason to be a **** about it.

signed

Signed
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Sign my butt. This isn't going to work. People have been complaining about locked bootloaders on a plethora of Moto phones for years, and an online petition won't make any sort of difference.

shobon said:
Sign my butt. This isn't going to work. People have been complaining about locked bootloaders on a plethora of Moto phones for years, and an online petition won't make any sort of difference.
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This

Not being a ****. Just blunt. There are so many and people have been told alot so its too much to write a nice letter each time.
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edit: hope i didnt offend you though. im really just a blunt person, no harm :]

We have been signing petitions since the OG Droid. Never worked.
Rocking with my M3 and XDA app

signed

I don't have any issue with the concept of this, and I signed it, although I don't think moto cares given the size of the actual modding population. However, why do people throw around the word 'rights' so much? Really, it's a right? No it's a want... I know I'll prolly get derided for this but still... Right?

This convo has been had millions of times. really doesnt need to be repeated to the same effect where it changes nothin

Agreed.
Noble intentions, wasted time.
Either googlerolla will deliver or they won't.
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shobon said:
Sign my butt. This isn't going to work. People have been complaining about locked bootloaders on a plethora of Moto phones for years, and an online petition won't make any sort of difference.
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I agree with you 100%.
I still signed.
That's how frustrated I feel at all this. I'm reminded of my time with the orginal milestone. Checking internet every day to see if someone fgured out how to shoehorn froyo onto the thing. For some reason I thought moto would change... maybe it was because they said they would.
Yeah its a long shot for this petition to do anything, I very sincerely doubt it will. But I would love to be wrong. It only takes two seconds to sign it.

Signed also

While I've signed the petition, I have a ready-made solution that nobody has seemed to mention yet... stop buying Motorola devices.
I've enjoyed Moto's offerings since the OG Droid days, mainly because of the superior build quality, but due to Moto's lock down on devices, and their lack of willingness to placate us, the way HTC has done, the D3 will be the last Motorola device I purchase. Let's face it, performance-wise, Moto doesn't build top-notch machines, the screen quality is sub par, and support is non-existent. Build quality is the ONLY thing they have going for them, and with Samsung making moves to improve their own build quality, I don't see any reason to stick around.
Motorola is not going to change their stance on this matter, and as such, the only way we can really make them listen, is by hitting them where it hurts...their wallets. I believe over 10,000 people have signed the petition (not a huge number, compared to global Moto sales), but 10,000 units at $150 each, equates to $1,500,000 in revenue. Again, that number may be small by comparison, but I'm sure a $1.5m decrease would get someone's attention.
My advice to anyone who's upset enough to sign this petition, is to move to a company with a better track record of being development friendly. Quad-core offerings are on the horizon, and a new Nexus device should be spotted around Christmas...I'll be saving my money, and WILL be jumping ship as soon as I can. The Moto journey has been "fun", but it's time to trade build quality for better performance and support. I'm done buying phones that are (essentially) dead on arrival, and obsolete within 3 months of release... I urge the rest of you to follow suit.
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I signed it but it will not work every phone i have gotten they stop suporting it and i have had my droid 3 for a few mouths and some keys are not working right i have to hit them 3 to 4 times when i get the money and its very unlikly im going with a new phone with a unlocked bootloader or one with one that can have a good work a round but the droid 3 is a good phone dont get me worng i just need a unlocked bootloader that way i will have custom kernels and working cm9
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I would if HTC or samsung had a proper high end QWERTY phone

DoubleYouPee said:
I would if HTC or samsung had a proper high end QWERTY phone
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THAT!
i like HTC better than samsung, and being a fan of HTC since the S710 times...and having HTC dev around is pretty helpful.
BUT:
http://www.androidauthority.com/htc-drops-qwerty-phones-78268/
and
http://www.gsmarena.com/at_t_htc_one_x_not_part_of_htcs_bootloader_unlocking_program-news-4210.php
so...their methods are not perfect at all

DoubleYouPee said:
I would if HTC or samsung had a proper high end QWERTY phone
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Yes! That's my main issue . However a soft keyboard is looking more and more possible as there won't be any other options...

Samsung has officially discontinued my favorite phone

Well just made it in from work to hear that samsung is officially discontinuing the Note 7. So what does that mean for us. My favorite phone has went up in smoke (literally)...

I'm upset to. Best phone I ever used by far. Hopefully they rebrand it with the issues worked out and release it along with the s8 in march/april. To wait another 10 months for a new note would be ridiculous. That is if they even decide to keep the note line(which I hope).

Can someone cite an official source at Samsung? The media is jumping all over it, but nobody can give a credible source, and Sammy still says it's temporarily halted production.

toastido said:
Can someone cite an official source at Samsung? The media is jumping all over it, but nobody can give a credible source, and Sammy still says it's temporarily halted production.
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I did not see "temporarily" or "permanently" in either of samsung statement. They said they are "halting" production.
So I guess that is left for interpretation.

mgbotoe said:
I did not see "temporarily" or "permanently" in either of samsung statement. They said they are "halting" production.
So I guess that is left for interpretation.
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https://news.samsung.com/global/sam...note7-while-further-investigation-takes-place "while further investigation takes place". Note the date. This is the global announcement.
Here's the US announcement:
https://news.samsung.com/us/2016/10...lobal-stop-sale-and-exchange-of-galaxy-note7/
Again "while further investigation takes place".
I'm asking for a solid source from Samsung (SSS lol) stating that they have discontinued the Note7. Until then, this thread is nothing but overzealous hype.
EDIT: This one just popped up on the US feed: https://news.samsung.com/us/2016/10/11/samsung-decided-stop-production-galaxy-note7/
Interesting. Very short. It doesn't come out and say they've discontinued it, only that they've stopped production. Dammit Samsung, say what you mean..
EDIT 2: I have requested language clarification from the press contact at Samsung US. Hope to hear back shortly.

Yep, its official...
https://explore.t-mobile.com/samsung-galaxy-note7-recall

toastido said:
https://news.samsung.com/global/sam...note7-while-further-investigation-takes-place "while further investigation takes place". Note the date. This is the global announcement.
Here's the US announcement:
https://news.samsung.com/us/2016/10...lobal-stop-sale-and-exchange-of-galaxy-note7/
Again "while further investigation takes place".
I'm asking for a solid source from Samsung (SSS lol) stating that they have discontinued the Note7. Until then, this thread is nothing but overzealous hype.
EDIT: This one just popped up on the US feed: https://news.samsung.com/us/2016/10/11/samsung-decided-stop-production-galaxy-note7/
Interesting. Very short. It doesn't come out and say they've discontinued it, only that they've stopped production. Dammit Samsung, say what you mean..
EDIT 2: I have requested language clarification from the press contact at Samsung US. Hope to hear back shortly.
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Lol, I was agreeing with you
Though per your last source, I do read that as discontinue though. I mean if they stopped production due to the result of everything...what does that really say? I think Note 7 dying i guess...

mgbotoe said:
Lol, I was agreeing with you
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I wasn't disagreeing with you, just posting what I'd found so far and the wording that was used, indicating why it was confusing. Hopefully Sammy will respond to my Inqiury.. Here is what I sent them:
To: [email protected] (Andrew Bowins - Corporate Communications)
Subject: Galaxy Note7 Clarification
Andrew,
I'm trying to confirm that the Galaxy Note7 is discontinued. I have heard from various unnamed sources the line is now discontinued, but the latest release from the Samsung US Newsroom only states you have stopped production, and is not clear on whether production will resume in the future or not.
Can you please clarify this statement?
https://news.samsung.com/us/2016/10/11/samsung-decided-stop-production-galaxy-note7/
Thanks,
[full name redacted]
toastido @ xda-developers.com
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I wasn't disagreeing with you, just posting what I'd found so far and the wording that was used, indicating why it was confusing. Hopefully Sammy will respond to my Inqiury.. Here is what I sent them:
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Good email....I think sammy is trying to give room to wiggle a bit...but let be honest with ourselves, sammy trying to serve the world government and corporations...it is in their best interest to halt production before releasing another set of batch....if v3 goes kaboom as well, they are done as a company.

Does this mean no Nougat for the one's who hold onto their notes?

Taebom said:
Does this mean no Nougat for the one's who hold onto their notes?
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Assuming this is really the EOL for the Note7, then expect zero updates in the future.... except maybe to disable it for 'safety' reasons..

Taebom said:
Does this mean no Nougat for the one's who hold onto their notes?
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Exactly. They aren't going to support a phone, with any updates, that they've discontinued. That would only encourage people to keep it and increase their liability.

Lol Verizon is letting me keep my note 7 and refunding me and making me eligible for another upgrade.. Got it for free...

DeMi-GoD said:
Lol Verizon is letting me keep my note 7 and refunding me and making me eligible for another upgrade.. Got it for free...
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You better have that in writing, and in recording lol. My mama always said nothing is free in this world...you will pay for it one way or another. And no, Money is not the only currency lol
Sammy probably going to release an update to give you a paper lol

Samsung hasn't officially done anything and everyone needs to calm down. "The Verge" isn't Samsung.