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Hi I been viewing this site for quite some time now! its a very nice detailed site. i own a 8525 currently and plan on getting the kaiser sometime early within the next month. so expect to hear from me often when i get my kaiser haha.
I just have a couple of questions on the chipsets in the kaiser. first of all, the qualcomm chipsets mentioned i understand have tv out capability. im assuming this means the ability to plug the kaiser into a tv for big screen viewing. ive googled and searched this forum as well about details on that, and ive found nothing. so my question for that is, if there isnt any capability yet, will there be capability for that anytime? the main reason i would like this is for sharing media, like movies, pictures, etc. and also im into emulation so i think gaming on the kaiser woudl be great. i would love to be able to bring my nes, snes, genesis, etc all on my phone to play games with a friend. so any help on whether this tv out could be a possibility would be appreciated so i know what to expect. thanks.
my other question is regarding the apparent graphics capabilities of this card. im assuming the best graphics so far for ppc's are in the dell axims with 2700g or whatever its called. what are the graphics capabilities of this phone compared to the axim? also, referring again to the emulation aspect, i understand this is a fairly new device, but im sure some of you have done the research. do you know if there would be a way for programmers to use the capabilities of this phone to enhance emulation? would love to be able to play snes full speed haha.
thanks for all your help. one last thing, just for kicks, currently what IS the most powerful graphics chipset for phones anyway? even if its something i havent mentioned?
good luck with your kaisers, friends!
i guess this would be called "bumping" to keep this topic recent so people can still have a chance to view it to answer my questions if they can? lol any help would be nice thanks.
Sorry but I believe you have had no response due to your questions being answered multiple times. Not trying to flame you but try the search button because the answers are here. Good luck with your new Kaiser, you won't be dissappointed.
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Just called the HTC tech support.
I told them that I had a problem with playing video using Windows Media Player 10. The person on the phone said you could try updating your Windows Media Player 10 to Windows Media Player 11 (11 for mobile???). I told her that 11 is for computer and not mobile. Then she told me it could be a codec issue. I told her: I've downloaded Core Media Player with all the codecs but still have the problem. Then she asked me what type of files I tried to play. I said: WMV, MPG, MPEG, MP4, AVI. Then she putted me on hold to ask someone there if they knew something about the TyTN II video issue. After waiting for 2 mins she said: HTC does know about the video issue and there working on it. The drivers would be released in end of Januari/begin of Februari, she advised me to check the update page every day till the update is released. Meanwhile use a other third party software to play videos.
So actually HTC is working on the video drivers. If she tells me it's a update, I think the driver will be available as a cab file instead of new ROM. But what if it was a cab file?? What about the HTC cube then??? In a interview, a person from HTC told that the TyTN II will get a update wich includes the HTC cube :S
What ya think??
The funny thing about this is that I had to learn her instead of she learning me. HAHAHAH that's how good the HTC tech support is. HAHAHAHA
Do you think they will release a new driver? I think if they will release it they will reply to all who were trying to get the driver from them, and stop the bad publicity.
I dont know what to think anymore. HTC disappointed me alot. You buy a expensive mobile and they fool you..
We will wait and see..
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What ya think??
The funny thing about this is that I had to learn her instead of she learning me. HAHAHAH that's how good the HTC tech support is. HAHAHAHA
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And with that in mind, you trust her implicitly?
If this is true, then it is brilliant news - but I don't think it's time to start celebrating until we have something more tangible than the word of a support rep!
I assume the topic starter called Dutch HTC support...
Maybe some people could call other countries HTC support and try to get this confirmed? Then at least we know what the hell is going on (save me the time of tinkering, save Olipro and cmonex the time, save 50 people the money, etc)
The phone numbers are listed here.
good idea, Ill try that.
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And with that in mind, you trust her implicitly?
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It wouldn't make me not-trust her. She is just some phone answering noob most likely, who doesn't really know a lot about the platform (just the standard question and replies) - as is very common for these support lines. Apparently she asked someone else (second ring support) and they probably told her "we're working on it, release begin februari" and she probably just combined this with her own 'knowledge' that you use CABs to install things.
That's how these things go at support lines
I hope you are right, and in february they will heal our toy.
Called swedish tech support.
At first when I stated that it doesn't play video properly he said "yeah but what do you want me to do about that?!".
Then he said I should return it for a new set at my reseller.
Then I said that I've seen numerous (hundereds if not thousands) of people having the same problem and I gave him the adress to the petitiononline site.
He put me on hold for quite a while and spoke to second teir support.
He said HTC are not generally aware of this problem and though they'vre heard some few reports it was too few to make it a high class priority. He said that he showed the petition to the support technician and that he was caught totally unaware.
I got to talk to the second technician and he understood the problem after a while.
He said that he would escalate the problem to high priority for Europes tech support and if they could indeed show in their own tests that the TyTN II performs considerably worse than previous or competing products they would work hard to get a fixed ROM out as soon as possible.
He also asked me to tell other people with the same problems to call their local support.
They really need support calls in order to escalate a problem report into high class priority.
So what are you waiting for, go make that call now!
Ignorant half-assed HTC customer service
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Just called the HTC tech support.
I told them that I had a problem with playing video using Windows Media Player 10. The person on the phone said you could try updating your Windows Media Player 10 to Windows Media Player 11 (11 for mobile???). I told her that 11 is for computer and not mobile. Then she told me it could be a codec issue. I told her: I've downloaded Core Media Player with all the codecs but still have the problem. Then she asked me what type of files I tried to play. I said: WMV, MPG, MPEG, MP4, AVI. Then she putted me on hold to ask someone there if they knew something about the TyTN II video issue. After waiting for 2 mins she said: HTC does know about the video issue and there working on it. The drivers would be released in end of Januari/begin of Februari, she advised me to check the update page every day till the update is released. Meanwhile use a other third party software to play videos.
So actually HTC is working on the video drivers. If she tells me it's a update, I think the driver will be available as a cab file instead of new ROM. But what if it was a cab file?? What about the HTC cube then??? In a interview, a person from HTC told that the TyTN II will get a update wich includes the HTC cube :S
What ya think??
The funny thing about this is that I had to learn her instead of she learning me. HAHAHAH that's how good the HTC tech support is. HAHAHAHA
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Having had bitter experience with HTC support, I'm pretty confident that you shouldn't be getting your hopes up. You have to understand that these people, as a rule, want to get you off the phone to go on playing solitaire or browsing porn.
This means that they are ready and willing to tell you anything. In this case, they obviously know that there is a WM6.1 update coming up and they "sell" to you that it should miraculously solve any problems, including the "known video driver" problems which, btw, they've never heard of before in their life. They would say the same thing about any irrelevant upcoming updates. That's typical of the incompetent and half-assed manner they deal with their customers.
Remember, these are the same people who will, after 2 months (!?!) (I'm not exaggerating, this actually happened to me), answer "have you tried to hard reset your device?" to any f****** e-mail you send them, even when you have clearly stated in that e-mail that you have done a hard reset about 100 times. That's how much attention you can expect.
I sincerely hope that HTC goes down big time to make an example of how a company charging such high margins on its products and at the same time mocking its customers can never survive (and it really shouldn't).
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I assume the topic starter called Dutch HTC support...
Maybe some people could call other countries HTC support and try to get this confirmed? Then at least we know what the hell is going on (save me the time of tinkering, save Olipro and cmonex the time, save 50 people the money, etc)
The phone numbers are listed here.
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They put me trought with the UK/Europe tech support.
A known person tell's there is going to be a update soon + A support worker tells me there is going to be a update soon (in Januari) + TMCP Player fixes a update what should fix the video (in Januari) = SOON NEW DRIVERS. Or all of them were fakes But don't think so. We need to spread this **** out fast, just like the guy who had problems with his DELL computer
You should have recorded the conversation. That way if they don't release the update, they can be in big trouble.
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You should have recorded the conversation. That way if they don't release the update, they can be in big trouble.
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u cannot just record phone calls without written legal permission. if you do else wise, YOU might be in trouble....
In the UK at least, recording phone calls is perfectly legal as long as you tell the other person you're recording them. Just FYI.
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u cannot just record phone calls without written legal permission. if you do else wise, YOU might be in trouble....
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The girl sounded nice tho.
Boinng said:
In the UK at least, recording phone calls is perfectly legal as long as you tell the other person you're recording them. Just FYI.
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Yep, same here. Anyway, my phone has a very annoying beep every 10 seconds while recording calls, so the person WILL know you are doing it.
By the way, does the Kaiser record calls? That is one very useful features I kind of got used to.
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Yep, same here. Anyway, my phone has a very annoying beep every 10 seconds while recording calls, so the person WILL know you are doing it.
By the way, does the Kaiser record calls? That is one very useful features I kind of got used to.
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Apparently not. Seems that the OS is not connected to the microphone, so cannot access what is being said. Has been extensively discussed with no real postive outcome:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=353062&highlight=record+calls
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=351632&highlight=record+calls
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=349280&highlight=record+calls
Sorry, veering off-topic I know but I guess any thread based on speculation will run out of steam fairly quickly!
called in the Dutch HTC support and they said the didn't know nothing about this
problem???
and when i told her the story of xmoo she said it was bull and no driver update was planned in the near future and she told me to just check the news on the htc site and wait for an update
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Apparently not. Seems that the OS is not connected to the microphone, so cannot access what is being said. Has been extensively discussed with no real postive outcome:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=353062&highlight=record+calls
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=351632&highlight=record+calls
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=349280&highlight=record+calls
Sorry, veering off-topic I know but I guess any thread based on speculation will run out of steam fairly quickly!
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Hmm... the more I know about Kaiser the more it looks like the phone part is just a bonus to the PDA instead of an integrating part of it.
It's really sad, because my phone also has 2 processors like the Kaiser, one for phone and one for PDA, and it works great for calls and stuff. The recorded conversations have really good quality. And you just need to press the recorder/voice dial button to start/stop recording.
Well, but I still rarely use my phone as a phone, so I don't think that's gonna be an issue.
Thanks for the info though.
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called in the Dutch HTC support and they said the didn't know nothing about this
problem???
and when i told her the story of xmoo she said it was bull and no driver update was planned in the near future and she told me to just check the news on the htc site and wait for an update
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Anyone else confused? I think I'd rather put my faith behind Chainfire et al here at XDA-devs. They might not be able to overcome the problem in the end, but at least they keep us informed, seem to know what eachother is doing and generally inspire more confidence than H(oard)T(he)C(ash)
Guys,
Lets help our campaign by writing a bad review of HTC Kaiser here:
HTC Kaiser at Amazon.com
And dont forget to click "Yes" on Was this review helpful to you?
Say that you own it (yes you are!) and how you dont like it due to the performance and drivers issue (and other issues like BT, etc.).
Note that you should be honest about the review.
If you think you like the Kaiser/Tilt the way it is now, then it is good for you (be happy!).
However, if you are not satisfied with the device (and/or HTC), you feel cheated by HTC, please put your voice out (write a review).
Dont tell lie, just express your feelings about it.
If you still dont get it, check HTCClassAction
Other reviews :
Expansys.com
ATTWireless.com
Newegg.com
Amazon.co.uk
(Edit: replaced duplicate post with cross-link)
For some background on the purpose of this thread, read this post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1861963&postcount=865
Good idea to get everyone to post bad reviews, but PLEASE make sure that the reviews are honest and can be substantiated. The last thing we want is for HTC to point out that we have been organising a slander campaign.
Thanks gogol for starting this thread. Remember everyone, it's not just the Kaiser that's suffering from this issue. Here's the complete list:
http://www.htcclassaction.org/devices.php
If you own any of these devices, you're entitled to share your experience with other potential buyers.
Amazon.com:
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/102-2541160-4372107?url=search-alias=aps&field-keywords=htc
Amazon.co.uk:
http://amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_ss_w_h_?url=search-alias=aps&field-keywords=htc
Epinions.com:
http://www.epinions.com/search/?sub...arch_vertical=all&tax_name=&search_string=htc
What are some other sites you've used to research tech devices, where we can add consumer reviews?
ach2 said:
Good idea to get everyone to post bad reviews, but PLEASE make sure that the reviews are honest and can be substantiated. The last thing we want is for HTC to point out that we have been organising a slander campaign.
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Absolutely. Thank you for mentioning that ach2. I've tried to also make that clear in every one of my comments. DO NOT POST false accusations or be unfair. And do not post about devices you don't own or haven't observed any issues with. Don't mark a post as Helpful unless you feel it is correct and helpful. (For example, I saw a negative review stating that WM6 is a bad OS. I do not personally feel that way, so I did not mark the review as helpful to me. Likewise, in my own review I did not mention Bluetooth or speakerphone issues because I have not had a bad experience with those aspects of my device.)
Simply put, if you write a review, be honest.
Couldn't agree more. Thats why I've kept my review simple and have referenced the website:
www.htcclassaction.org.
I suggest everyone else should do the same. If the website keeps popping up people will go and some may even read!!
Be warned that it can take from 1 - 6 days for the review to appear.
Other useful things are to rate 5 star reviews as "not helpful" and poor reviews as "helpful" to help dissuade people from this crippled platform.
Whats the point in this may I ask.
What exactly is the issue with the kaiser as I cannot see any issues with the one I have from vodafone. It does all I want it to do and it does it very well and quickly enough for me not to worry if its being slow.
The device is technically a PDA, it does email, office, internet, and a host of other things, its not a TV, or a portable dvd player or an ipod.
Whats the point in slating the device on amazon if this affects the way htc operates and affects its business.
I wonder if people writing these reviews have looked at the bigger picture.
I would suggest if you do not like the device and have issues with it, then maybe the device is not the most ideal device for you.
Tom Williams said:
I would suggest if you do not like the device and have issues with it, then maybe the device is not the most ideal device for you.
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I see your point Tom. However, if I have an issue with the way the device was marketed to me -- which is contrary to the way the device actually performs -- then I am also entitled to share my opinion with others. Because "if the device is not the most ideal device" for me, then it probably isn't for others either. I wish someone had told me about these problems before I signed a 2-year agreement. Therefore, I'm going to let others know so they can make a truly informed decision before they do the same. After all, isn't that the point of reviews, good or bad?
I would suggest that if you DO like the device, you offer a well-thought-out, positive review about the device. That's fair!
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What exactly is the issue with the kaiser as I cannot see any issues with the one I have from vodafone. It does all I want it to do and it does it very well and quickly enough for me not to worry if its being slow.
The device is technically a PDA, it does email, office, internet, and a host of other things, its not a TV, or a portable dvd player or an ipod.
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If you're completely satisfied with your device then don't go looking for faults. However, if you want understand the real issue (and I respectfully add that your comment about it being a media device suggests that you don't understand the real issue yet), then go to http://www.htcclassaction.org/misunderstandings.php. This lays out the real problem that people are upset with... and will probably change your opinion about your device. You've been warned.
lol, some of the 1 star reviews on amazon are just too funny.
"I also have not been able to figure out how to add a number to the address book? Menu> add new, would be my guess, but that's not it, and I haven't figured it out yet. (As an advanced IT guy, I should be able to figure out even something not apparent in a couple of minutes, but not so). "
I dont remember too well, but i think there's a "new" softkey right next to the "menu" softkey
This has been discussed and debated many times.
Just read over http://www.htcclassaction.org
If you dont agree with this move or campaign, then it is not for you.
So, please leave this thread.
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Whats the point in this may I ask.
What exactly is the issue with the kaiser as I cannot see any issues with the one I have from vodafone. It does all I want it to do and it does it very well and quickly enough for me not to worry if its being slow.
The device is technically a PDA, it does email, office, internet, and a host of other things, its not a TV, or a portable dvd player or an ipod.
Whats the point in slating the device on amazon if this affects the way htc operates and affects its business.
I wonder if people writing these reviews have looked at the bigger picture.
I would suggest if you do not like the device and have issues with it, then maybe the device is not the most ideal device for you.
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Tom Williams said:
Whats the point in this may I ask.
What exactly is the issue with the kaiser as I cannot see any issues with the one I have from vodafone. It does all I want it to do and it does it very well and quickly enough for me not to worry if its being slow.
The device is technically a PDA, it does email, office, internet, and a host of other things, its not a TV, or a portable dvd player or an ipod.
Whats the point in slating the device on amazon if this affects the way htc operates and affects its business.
I wonder if people writing these reviews have looked at the bigger picture.
I would suggest if you do not like the device and have issues with it, then maybe the device is not the most ideal device for you.
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For the newbies just joining the forum may i present Exhibit A, the above post, which I will mark "How to jump in without bothering to look at the issue"
FYI if i buy a car that is marketed with a turbo and then the car maker don't actually connect the turbo up (AND DON'T TELL YOU!) do I have the right to be annoyed? If I buy a computer with the latest gee whizz graphics and it then refuses to run in anything but safe mode should I be a tad peeved??
HTC have marketed this "PDA" as having a "rich multimedia experience" to quote one part of their advertising blurb. So I think it is not unreasonable for this device to fulfil these expectations.
Over here its called "false advertising".
With regards to "the big picture" I would respectfully point you to the previously mentioned website so you can perhaps educate and inform yourself. I will live in hope but I won't hold my breath.
Oh and the point of the amazon campaign is very simple - to stop people who want a gadget that does everything from spending their hard earned cash - god only knows we work damn hard for it and its not too much to expect a company that has made massive profits not to FLEECE US.
rant over.
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What are some other sites you've used to research tech devices, where we can add consumer reviews?
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Expansys UK is another site where users can leave reviews. Particularly good site to post a review on as their homepage has the TyTN 2 on it, with a "Most popular" sticker on it.
However, their reviews are moderated before posting and the review I submitted three weeks ago has yet to see the light of day - perhaps a little too honest for the censors (sorry, I mean moderators)
This move to orchestrate mass negative reviews on another site (Amazon)will be considered malicious and counter-productive in several ways:
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It may be harmful to the class action moves because it shows an intent to damage sales on the as yet "unproven" case by organising the hijack of the Amazon site's review system that by all accounts has shown little but positive reviews by those who have "genuinely" purchased from that site.
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It implicates XDA-Developers in conspiratorial manipulation of a third party site.
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It defeats our purpose which is to persuade HTC by petition and class action to produce the drivers we would like. This action is a direct attack on sales that will be permanent - in as much as the reviews folk post on Amazon will remain there even if HTC respond to pressure and produce suitable drivers. It is not persuasive from HTC's point of view, if they continue to lose sales regardless of whether they produce the drivers or not.
I feel this kind of action falls below the standards of an honest campaign, as already started and now being reported elsewhere (other sites). The pressure is being put on by up-front means and is gaining support.
However, conspiring to manipulate product reviews elsewhere will not necessarily be looked on favorably be Amazon, HTC AT&T and other providers and if as I think likely the wider press begins to take notice of the campaign, this will be a shabby episode and ammunition for HTC.
My personal point of view - this kind of action is going in the wrong direction. Let's make our case for the drivers and make it well, we need to keep the moral high ground. If we are making a case that we have been "wronged" then we don't want to be seen scrabbling around in the muck of petty review rigging at Amazon.
Mike
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This move to orchestrate mass negative reviews on another site (Amazon)will be considered malicious and counter-productive in several ways:
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It may be harmful to the class action moves because it shows an intent to damage sales on the as yet "unproven" case by organising the hijack of the Amazon site's review system that by all accounts has shown little but positive reviews by those who have "genuinely" purchased from that site.
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It implicates XDA-Developers in conspiratorial manipulation of a third party site.
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It defeats our purpose which is to persuade HTC by petition and class action to produce the drivers we would like. This action is a direct attack on sales that will be permanent - in as much as the reviews folk post on Amazon will remain there even if HTC respond to pressure and produce suitable drivers. It is not persuasive from HTC's point of view, if they continue to lose sales regardless of whether they produce the drivers or not.
I feel this kind of action falls below the standards of an honest campaign, as already started and now being reported elsewhere (other sites). The pressure is being put on by up-front means and is gaining support.
However, conspiring to manipulate product reviews elsewhere will not necessarily be looked on favorably be Amazon, HTC AT&T and other providers and if as I think likely the wider press begins to take notice of the campaign, this will be a shabby episode and ammunition for HTC.
My personal point of view - this kind of action is going in the wrong direction. Let's make our case for the drivers and make it well, we need to keep the moral high ground. If we are making a case that we have been "wronged" then we don't want to be seen scrabbling around in the muck of petty review rigging at Amazon.
Mike
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If you go on and slander and make unsubstantiated claims that is one thing, however, as long as your factual and honest I see no harm in posting a review of the device. Most reviews on these sites are people justifying their expensive purchase by giving it 5 stars and writing about how its the best thing ever. The choppy video performance, touchscreen lags, etc are all facts and the consumer should be aware of these problems before purchasing. I wish some of these reviews were out there before I made my purchase.
mikechannon said:
This move to orchestrate mass negative reviews on another site (Amazon)will be considered malicious and counter-productive in several ways:
1.
It may be harmful to the class action moves because it shows an intent to damage sales on the as yet "unproven" case by organising the hijack of the Amazon site's review system that by all accounts has shown little but positive reviews by those who have "genuinely" purchased from that site.
2.
It implicates XDA-Developers in conspiratorial manipulation of a third party site.
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It defeats our purpose which is to persuade HTC by petition and class action to produce the drivers we would like. This action is a direct attack on sales that will be permanent - in as much as the reviews folk post on Amazon will remain there even if HTC respond to pressure and produce suitable drivers. It is not persuasive from HTC's point of view, if they continue to lose sales regardless of whether they produce the drivers or not.
I feel this kind of action falls below the standards of an honest campaign, as already started and now being reported elsewhere (other sites). The pressure is being put on by up-front means and is gaining support.
However, conspiring to manipulate product reviews elsewhere will not necessarily be looked on favorably be Amazon, HTC AT&T and other providers and if as I think likely the wider press begins to take notice of the campaign, this will be a shabby episode and ammunition for HTC.
My personal point of view - this kind of action is going in the wrong direction. Let's make our case for the drivers and make it well, we need to keep the moral high ground. If we are making a case that we have been "wronged" then we don't want to be seen scrabbling around in the muck of petty review rigging at Amazon.
Mike
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I'm afraid I don't agree.
1) "Intent to damage sales". EVERYTHING that we have done could be interpreted as an intent to damage sales. By its very definition that is what negative publicity does.
2) How are we manipulating amazon? All we are doing is encouraging people with kaisers to publish a negative review of their under-performing product. It would be vote rigging/product manipulation if I got my friends who DONT own kaisers to post reviews. If and its a big IF we ever get these drivers I will be the first in line to ask for my review to be withdrawn on the grounds it is no longer accurate.
With regards to this so-called "honest campaign" what exactly does that mean?? We have started a website, we are posting our reviews of our device and referencing the htcclassaction website. How is this in any way dishonest?
At the end of the day some people have paid up to $700 for this "product" and they are entitled to be heard be it through htcclassaction or via the posting of a negative review. How is this any different to when a "reputable" website posts an negative review of a product??
We have made our case for the drivers and we have been told in no uncertain terms to **** off. This needs to be brought to the wider (Read: non-techie) public and one of the ways of doing this is the posting on more consumer orientated websites such as amazon.
I added a negative (but accurate) review on amazon a few days ago, which is showing up for the TYTN II.
I'm sorry mikechannon, but I disagree with you.
First of all, it is not "permanent", as you say. Your own review is editable. If HTC releases drivers, I will gladly change my review. I actually look forward to changing it. If they don't release drivers, my review stays negative.
Secondly, how is giving a perfectly honest and appropriate negative review any different than emailing weblogs like Engadget and Gizmodo to bring attention to it, or starting a website called "HTCClassAction", or having numerous threads going, regarding this issue, in the Kiaser forum here on XDA - arguably the biggest and most influential HTC community forum in the english language?
It is not any different. It is all bad publicity, and frankly, there needs to be more of it. HTC's press release basically said:
"Well, you caught us, we didn't support the included hardware, but we aren't going to fix it. If you want that functionality you are going to have to buy the next device we release."
Apparently they are not familiar with advertising laws in the US. And I quote from their HTC America website:
"Rich media experience with AT&T Mobile Music, Video, TV and games"
We can all agree the media experience is anything but "rich".
The only caution I would have for people giving negative reviews is to do so on the appropriate Amazon domain. If you are a UK or European customer, do it on Amazon UK. If you are in the US and on AT&T, do it on Amazon.com.
If the review is an honest review, then I have to say then the more reviews the better.
I for one wish I had known about the driver issues prior to purchase and prior to signing up for a two year agreement with AT&T.
Isn't the point of these Amazon reviews to point out that a device may have problems?
Dont forget to write reviews on sites such as www.newegg.com and www.buy.com that sell a LOT of these phones.
Guys, there's not much point in continuing to argue about mikechannon's post. He's shown himself to be an HTC fanboy with not much good sense in many of his recent posts. Best to just ignore him and move on. I've posted what I feel is a fairly impartial review on amazon and epinions. Don't forget to review the Tilt as well, since it's sold under that moniker a lot under Amazon.
As above - Chl 5 8pm tonight
i doubt this will be usefull or give you the result you hope for.
I doubt they will even know, let alone try, about flashing and the massive advantages this gives. I doubt they will touch on the various 3rd party apps that really make this phone and instead, will focus on a standard "factory fit" which, lets face it, is a bit crap. Will they cover the fact that this phone is an exellent business tool (oh how i miss TV/VGA out ... )
I also doubt they will mention the Iphones failings, its 2.0 software disaster, its "push" (yeerrr right!) email or the fact people are having there entire contacts and calendars being wiped out in front of them or again that they STILL can't change batteries
I see them going for the Iphone.
Who knows, Germans have choosen Diamond as a best phone on the world with iPhone as a 2nd with quite big adventage. Who knows, maybe those people will make some big review and will compare those phones in every aspect.
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Who knows, Germans have choosen Diamond as a best phone on the world with iPhone as a 2nd with quite big adventage. Who knows, maybe those people will make some big review and will compare those phones in every aspect.
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What do you mean "Germans"? Do you mean the entire population voted on it or a selected "Gadget Show" like TV program?
http://www.inside-handy.de/news/12140.html
1500 of german inside-handy.de users choosen Diamond as most desirable phone of the year. I was wrong, not the best, but most desirable
The Gadget Show IMO is only of use to morons - the sort who go to Currys etc and believe the 'salesmen' when they say they need a £80 monster hdmi cable. They never set things up properly and i'll guarantee they haven't flashed the roms etc. I know you shouldn't really need to but thats my point, gadget show is for people who don't know nothing!
nutcracker2 said:
http://www.inside-handy.de/news/12140.html
1500 of german inside-handy.de users choosen Diamond as most desirable phone of the year. I was wrong, not the best, but most desirable
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... but the poll was done in 12.06.2008 with the old iPhone and not with 3G!
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The Gadget Show IMO is only of use to morons - the sort who go to Currys etc and believe the 'salesmen' when they say they need a £80 monster hdmi cable. They never set things up properly and i'll guarantee they haven't flashed the roms etc. I know you shouldn't really need to but thats my point, gadget show is for people who don't know nothing!
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I watch the gadget show because some of it well put together and you can tell the producers/presenters do know what they are talking about even if they do have to dumb it down for a maintream tv audience somewhat.
As regards the flashing issue, I doubt they will go into it in detail but why should they? Most users don't know about it and if you did tell them they probably wouldnt want to be bothered with it anyway. Its a big time sink just for a setting up a mobile, which should really have been done by HTC in the first place.
Check out this link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybaPS0NLwFQ
Most of the people they ask dont even realise about all the 3rd party apps or different roms,all they seem interested in is the way it looks.
owz206 said:
Check out this link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybaPS0NLwFQ
Most of the people they ask dont even realise about all the 3rd party apps or different roms,all they seem interested in is the way it looks.
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Thanks for the link, i hadn't realised before how crappy that show is, are they trying to be Top Gear or something! They're doing camera shots of the pavement that are so quick the phones blurred! And if the presenter emphasised his words anymore he'd explode.
In that video, that kind of test is always going to be about looks, if you even try to use the phone you wont know how because youve only had 5 seconds with it so all they can compare is looks, size, weight etc and go on what the presenters say.
Two things immediately spring to mind on watching the clip - Apple has spent a fortune on promoting the iphone, so that anyone who watches TV will have an idea how it works - if the touch screen from the Diamond had been given similar video tutorials on primetime TV, no doubt a lot of people would find the interface just as user friendly.
The other factor is the Apple effect - people feel that Apple has a brand value akin to Richard Branson's woolly jumpers - all cuddly and vaguely environmental/hippy chic. I prefer to be apart from the crowds, not queueing to buy on the basis of marketing hype.
Well I'm definitely sending my Diamond back. The one they had on the gadget show had a hardware keyboard and a Nokia label. Mine has neither.
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Well I'm definitely sending my Diamond back. The one they had on the gadget show had a hardware keyboard and a Nokia label. Mine has neither.
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LOL yeah i know i watched it too..... check out the youtube link for the web tv review (previous posts)
The review was crap anyway, people like the look of the iphone, but thats it.
None of the functionality of the Diamond was really talked about, very poor review. (if you could even call it that !)
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The Gadget Show IMO is only of use to morons - the sort who go to Currys etc and believe the 'salesmen' when they say they need a £80 monster hdmi cable. They never set things up properly and i'll guarantee they haven't flashed the roms etc. I know you shouldn't really need to but thats my point, gadget show is for people who don't know nothing!
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I disagree the Gadget Show is for people who don not know anything - I watch it over the internet and I find this a useful program indeed. But I do disagree with some of the shows findings on best products...
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Two things immediately spring to mind on watching the clip - Apple has spent a fortune on promoting the iphone, so that anyone who watches TV will have an idea how it works - if the touch screen from the Diamond had been given similar video tutorials on primetime TV, no doubt a lot of people would find the interface just as user friendly.
The other factor is the Apple effect - people feel that Apple has a brand value akin to Richard Branson's woolly jumpers - all cuddly and vaguely environmental/hippy chic. I prefer to be apart from the crowds, not queueing to buy on the basis of marketing hype.
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"marketing hype" something Apple Computers are very good at G
Of the bat:
-The show looks cheesy as ****, something apple users tend to like!
-The 60 year old host, talking bout technology? Not good! (no harm intended to any 60 year old member in the forum)
And Ill always do this on any thread that contains the words FruityPhone:
FruitPhone SUCKS!!!!
Remeber, second best they are.
the show is usually quite good, but after watching this they did not give the htc a proper review. I mean come on if you put a iphone in front of everyone they know what it is straight away! Seems like the Apple advertising is really sucessful.
I dont mind if our Diamond isnt as big as iphone to be honest.
After all do you want everyone to have the same phone as you! I call it a small prestige club and I am honored to have be in it.
Sergio PC said:
Of the bat:
-The show looks cheesy as ****, something apple users tend to like!
-The 60 year old host, talking bout technology? Not good! (no harm intended to any 60 year old member in the forum)
And Ill always do this on any thread that contains the words FruityPhone:
FruitPhone SUCKS!!!!
Remeber, second best they are.
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Could you possibly be any more offensive with your outdated and ageist remark?
He's not even 60.
Idiot.
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the show is usually quite good, but after watching this they did not give the htc a proper review. ......
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Did you watch the same show as me? I only saw the IPhone versus a Nokia....
I suppose you are right in a sense, they didn't give the HTC a proper review ... as they didnt have one!
I stopped watching the gadget show a few years ago because i get the feeling that they really dont know what they are talking about, the reveiws and tests that they do are completley stupid and of course they are given more money to say good things about certain products.
There was an episode i flicked onto the other month, and they had picked out a bunch of HD TV's an said they were gonna get the best experts in the country to give them a thouogh testing to see which one was the best! So they took them to the tech guys (pc worlds attempt at making ppl think that their getting good advice!) who stood about 2 foot away from the screens an said that none of them were particaully good and then said the most expencive one wa no good because it was a Plasma set and could suffer from screen burn!
In short the show is biased to whoever pays them the most money to give the best review!!!1!!!
So I have just joined the world of Android with a Chinese head unit for my prehistoric old banger.
I have so many questions and I probably won't understand the answers. I have already discovered that what a Chinese salesperson terms as plug and play, is just like a racecar guy saying "yeah it just bolts on" nothing could be further from the truth ! So after remaking the "plug n play" harness with the correct plugs to play with the canbus and the fibre optics I'm here to discover what I have actually purchased and how to Houdini it to my will. The first surprise was I purchased an Android 11 yet in the settings it says its Android 12 after reading so of the posts on here I reckon that's probably BS, yes I do know how search works and yes that's always what I do first only problem is from scrolling through these threads I still have no idea what I actually have as far as screen manufacturer, or software. So go easy on the Old guy, until I know which Mxxxxxxx I have
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