Here is my situation: I actually own an HTC Incredible 2, the American version of the Incredible S. As far as I've learned - the phones are nearly identical - the US version simply sporting a Verizon logo and software.
I'm currently stationed in Europe, Poland to be specific. I use my phone in GSM mode with a local carrier. After rooting and flashing CM7 for the first time, I noticed my reception getting significantly worse than before (And if not, it's pretty **** in the first place.)
I an attempt to remedy this, I flashed the newest .1111 radio from the Inc2 forums, unfortunately that not only didn't help - but resulted in a ~10db drop in my reception.
I figure that maybe since I'm in Europe, the Inc2 drivers are not suited for my location and the IncS has the software I need. Is this asking for a brick, and if not - are there any proven-to-work with GSM in Europe radios for me to try?
My general understandstanding and experience with reading with the gsm HTC flyer and the CDMA EVO view tablet (evo is CDMA ver of flyer) you are askimg for a brick. Its generally advised there that we should not do it. But to be honest, I don't think many people were really willing to try in the first place.
According to GSMarena the incredible s and the 2 have different chipsets. Along with the fact that the 2 is a cdma and GSM/hsdpa phone, while the s is GSM/hsdpa only we can safely assume the radios would be very different. Taking a chance like flashing a radio is not something I would recommend.
surely u will end up in a bricked device~!
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I am new to this on the diamond, so I have a pretty basic question. Sorry for the bother. I have a NAM version diamond. When HTC came out with their new ROM last week or so, I contacted them and they said it was not designed for my phone and to wait and see if one is put out for the NAM version (has US 3g bands and no front cam). Will I run into any problems with installing ROMs, etc that are here. I read the sticky on what to do first, and understand to do all the HardSPL, etc. Not exactly sure about the radio and actual ROMs that I would be able to use. Just want to make sure its compatible so that I have the least chance of bricking my phone. My last time customizing phones was with the razr v3i, and there were certain roms that could/could not be applied to the phone depending on if it the type of v3i. Thanks again for helping out a new guy.
does your device haev a sim card slot? if it does not then it is a CDMA device and you should be flashing CDMA roms. most of the ones on here are GSM. just check in the rom threads if the rom is a CDMA one or not
many CDMA roms can be found over at the forums on ppcgeeks.com
yeah its a gsm model. I'm just looking to make sure that any of them are fair game, and if the radio, etc matter. I guess I'm a little more cautious since when I talked with HTC, they said that the new ROM would not work on my phone, and so I wanted to make sure if there were any that I should/shouldn't use that are posted here considering that I think most don't have the US 3G version phone.
Just found out I have a Diam 110 if that makes any difference
If I were to get the VZW Nexus One, would I be able to flash any ROMs for the T-Mo Nexus One? Themes, apps, ROMs, etc.?
Doubt it..
:'( Man, since everyone is so hyped over this Nexus, I doubt anyone will ever make a ROM for the Verizon one.
I'm sure there will be a fairly standard process to port these ROMs to the VZW N1... but then again, I'm not a dev.
Are there any super geniuses out there that know if it will work or not?
Without looking at the android source tree. I would assume that calling the radio interface is the same between devices. The radio image itself will be drastically different, but the OS itself will not see that complexity due to calling the radio through standard API's.
Think of it this way, when you call a friend through a landline using a regular phone. Does your regular phone care who your provider is? It just translates your button pushes to sounds and transmits it via a well established standard. The interaction between rom's and the radio are more than likely very similar.
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Without looking at the android source tree. I would assume that calling the radio interface is the same between devices. The radio image itself will be drastically different, but the OS itself will not see that complexity due to calling the radio through standard API's.
Think of it this way, when you call a friend through a landline using a regular phone. Does your regular phone care who your provider is? It just translates your button pushes to sounds and transmits it via a well established standard. The interaction between rom's and the radio are more than likely very similar.
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^This.
Considering that this will be the newest CDMA Android device released in the US, I'd guess that it's going to have the most updated radio out (at least for a while). The SPL, Recovery and such should be pretty much identical I would think. While it may not be possible to just take Cyanogen's ROM and flash it as it currently exists, the necessary changes SHOULD be pretty minor.
The better question is this...
how many people are going to not pay attention when a new radio image is released and flash it to the wrong device
it is possible.
But the devs are mostly gsm. CDMA is too limited with device releases.
Gsm is more flexible so the dev support for gsm is always going to be greater.
May take months for a port to happen.
I believe the droid just recently got their cyanogen mod port after like 8 months of release.
always bet on gsm cdma is too limited.
I used a Rogers Magic for a long time. Each time Cyanogen released an update, there were 2-3 devs that patched it and ported to the Magic for Rogers and also for the MyTouch. Each phone required different things but there will be devs that will handle it on here, just about guaranteed.
As long as I can have the ROM fast, I'll get the Nexus.
So are you guys saying 1 week, or a year?
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I used a Rogers Magic for a long time. Each time Cyanogen released an update, there were 2-3 devs that patched it and ported to the Magic for Rogers and also for the MyTouch. Each phone required different things but there will be devs that will handle it on here, just about guaranteed.
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Rogers is GSM though, not CDMA.
GNOve said:
it is possible.
But the devs are mostly gsm. CDMA is too limited with device releases.
Gsm is more flexible so the dev support for gsm is always going to be greater.
May take months for a port to happen.
I believe the droid just recently got their cyanogen mod port after like 8 months of release.
always bet on gsm cdma is too limited.
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The Droid and Nexus One are totally different devices. The UMTS and CDMA Nexus One should be identical save for the radio and associated hardware.
EDIT: Not quite. The UMTS model uses the QSD8250 Snapdragon, which only supports GSM/UMTS. The CDMA model will likely use the QSD8650, which also has CDMA support (in addition to GSM/UMTS, which adds the possibility of the CDMA model being a world phone) but is otherwise the same.
I mean, they are basically the same phone.
So, are we saying that it is undecided if all the ROMs will work or not? Or do we know that they won't/will?
Thanks
I have heard mixed opinions on this matter and I am very curious to hear from someone who knows for certain the process that needs to take place for CM to run on the VZW N1 when it is available.
Funny that nobody mentions the kernel, which could very well be different for the GSM N1 and the CDMA N1. The radio is the obvious factor, it is the other factors that may be the issue.
Hoping a knowledgeable dev will chime in with a solid answer!
I have been working on development for a proof of concept application that requires AT&T 3G on the Nexus One. As I finish, I needed to deliver the app on phones to my customer--now I can only get T-Mobile version of the N1!
Why did Google/HTC pull the AT&T version from distribution?
I have a bad feeling by posting this, someone will provide "helpful" comments that I don't need to run an app on a particular carrier, or I can run a TM phone on AT&T--both technically true, but trust me, I have a special case that requires AT&T 3G enabled phones.
I don't think it will work, but I am going to try and reflash a TM N1 with the AT&T radio image and see if that works. I suspect not, since I read somewhere around here that the phones have different power amps. I will let you know...
wrong forum
flashing the at&t radio image to t-mobile hardware will not work don't waster your time
google has not given a reason for no AT&T dev phone only have said "at this time there are no plans to offer the version that is capable of 3G speeds on AT&T and Rogers networks."
Yeah, your best bet is to look on ebay/craigslist or even at the marketplace here on the XDA forums for one. I'm glad I got one before they are gone, but I'm sure you can still find one by looking.
Looks like there is one on sale for $500 here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=752127
Flashing the radio won't do anything because both phones already use the same radio file. There's no such thing as an ATT radio for the nexus, they all use the same single radio file.
Ebay is your best bet, or Craig list.
Radio image doesn't do anything.
The phones' hardware is different. You just have to get the AT&T version from ebay/craigslist.
Also, check out this guy: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=753476
Does your application *absolutely* have to run on an N1?
Cause it's worth pointing out... Telus (Canada) has now released the substantially similar HTC Desire. It's SIM-unlockable, cheaper than an N1, runs the right frequencies for AT&T 3G... and the ROM it comes with is rootable. If your application doesn't play well with Sense UI you can load a ROM such as OpenDesire which is basically stock Froyo.
So if you're in a real bind and you can't get your hands on enough Nexus Ones (Nexii?), this one might be worth consideration.
I understand it is possible to change an AT&T model or Tmobile into an international or developer's edition, is it not possible to do this on sprint?
Change the supercid
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No. The radios are different.
One uses CDMA the others GSM.
Plus, we use the 1900mhz band for LTE, something that others don't do.
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No. The radios are different.
One uses CDMA the others GSM.
Plus, we use the 1900mhz band for LTE, something that others don't do.
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While this is likely the case, it appears that all HTC M7s are the same hardware with slightly different firmwares; which appear to make the hardware slightly different, after all, every M7 can be a world phone, they all technically have access to the same frequencies(even the htc spec page shows this), they all have GLONASS and GPS, so overall I think the mainboards are identical to every other M7 with slightly different bootloadersds.
I wondered if there were some sort of 'fuses' that they flip to stick a phone to a company or region(none for world unlocked, 1 sprint, 2 att, etc); but that's just speculation, and it's loosely based on something Motorola has done so HTC may not have.
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While this is likely the case, it appears that all HTC M7s are the same hardware with slightly different firmwares; which appear to make the hardware slightly different, after all, every M7 can be a world phone, they all technically have access to the same frequencies(even the htc spec page shows this), they all have GLONASS and GPS, so overall I think the mainboards are identical to every other M7 with slightly different bootloadersds.
I wondered if there were some sort of 'fuses' that they flip to stick a phone to a company or region(none for world unlocked, 1 sprint, 2 att, etc); but that's just speculation, and it's loosely based on something Motorola has done so HTC may not have.
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Nope.. Chipsets are different.
Chipsets
I think that all m7 are the same thing .... htc has changed the way they made phone .... in the past they made a phone for every service provider... and that is what caused them to be in dark waters ... and with the release of the one ... the name says it all ... HTC ONE ... there is one phone for every service provider... the service provider activates or deactivates the ... radios and frequencies.. for there service ..... LOOK on the website .. there is no difference in any of the phones .. i just hast ... different frequencies activated
I don't think so since I don't think the tmobile one can use all the lye frequencies that at&t can even when it is supercid. Something like that
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While this is likely the case, it appears that all HTC M7s are the same hardware with slightly different firmwares; which appear to make the hardware slightly different, after all, every M7 can be a world phone, they all technically have access to the same frequencies(even the htc spec page shows this), they all have GLONASS and GPS, so overall I think the mainboards are identical to every other M7 with slightly different bootloadersds.
I wondered if there were some sort of 'fuses' that they flip to stick a phone to a company or region(none for world unlocked, 1 sprint, 2 att, etc); but that's just speculation, and it's loosely based on something Motorola has done so HTC may not have.
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I believe it's something to do with the use of a tuneable radio that can be adapted to pick up a number of different GSM/CDMA bands though. LTE is a different story altogether though.
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I think that all m7 are the same thing .... htc has changed the way they made phone .... in the past they made a phone for every service provider... and that is what caused them to be in dark waters ... and with the release of the one ... the name says it all ... HTC ONE ... there is one phone for every service provider... the service provider activates or deactivates the ... radios and frequencies.. for there service ..... LOOK on the website .. there is no difference in any of the phones .. i just hast ... different frequencies activated
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There's no difference between the onboard radios, but the LTE hardware is different from device to device. And there's a variant of the One produced for the Asian market with an SD card slot due to the use of smaller radios in those regions. The One is much more unified, but it's still customized from carrier to carrier, just not as much (essentially, by as much as is required).
Go flash a GSM ROM/radio and see if your phone turns into a GSM device if you're that confident.
Okay so yesterday my dream phone came out on sprint network the HTC X8T I really like this phone a lot. to my understanding the HTC X8T Is a lot like the HTC ONE with boom sound and front faceing spekers. but yet running windows phone 8. so I am very interested In this phone.
but yet I have a lot of questions.
1. is there an unlocked version of the phone I can buy?
2. is sprint the only ones selling this device?
3. could this device be used on boost mobile instead of sprint.
4. what are the chances of a boost version?
5.why is there not new fourm for this new device?
That should be a good start thanks.
1. Unlocked version: Maybe. Sprint uses CDMA2000, rather than GSM, although they might use SIM cards for LTE support like Verizon does (I haven't checked) typically, CDMA2000 phones won't work on other networks unless those other networks also use CDMA, and sometimes not then (because they're locked). I don't know yet whether the 8XT will be available unlocked in general, or available for GSM.
2. Sprint only seller: So far as I know, yes. If there's a GSM variant, you'll be able to buy it internationally. If not, then they will probably be the only one this side of China or something. I'd expect a GSM variant, but I don't know.
3. Use on Boost: See the answer to #1.
4. Boost version: I doubt anybody here knows. You should ask Boost Mobile about that.
5. New forum: Many WP8 devices don't have their own forums. Until such time as custom ROMs or similar are possible, one WP8 device is much like another, so there isn't usually enough traffic to justify per-phone forums.
By the way, the 8XT looks somewhat liike the One, and has the same speakers, but its specs are considerably worse. Its screen is lower resolution, and I believe it's processor is much less powerful.
HTC has not announced a version or variant of this phone for anyone except Sprint, so for now, we can only assume its a Sprint only device and does not come unlocked. Considering that Sprint is CDMA, it wouldn't be wise to purchase a Sprint branded phone to use on other networks as it will most likely not work. Boost has been known to activate Sprint phones on their service, but its very hit or miss as you need to speak directly with a customer service rep, and that itself is difficult. XD
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HTC has not announced a version or variant of this phone for anyone except Sprint, so for now, we can only assume its a Sprint only device and does not come unlocked. Considering that Sprint is CDMA, it wouldn't be wise to purchase a Sprint branded phone to use on other networks as it will most likely not work. Boost has been known to activate Sprint phones on their service, but its very hit or miss as you need to speak directly with a customer service rep, and that itself is difficult. XD
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You only need to look at the radio specs for the phone. I knew it was for Sprint a full week before the tech i was on the phone with did and she was Tier 2 support with 'upcoming training for some new WP8 device' but didnt know what the hardware was.
It runs on the 1xRTT network, so wont even work on VZW. Also given that Sprint is (or at least used to be) an HTC Premier Partner its no surprise they made a phone that only Sprint would carry. Its smack in the middle of the 8X and 8S but what sucks is we are stuck with Touch Pro2/Arrive resolution on a screen thats nearly 33% bigger (4.3" vs 3.7"). Will i get one? Im still on the fence as my TP2 still does the job for me, even without native apps for Twitter or games.