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[Q] Looking for the most battery efficient rom/kernel combo

I am going to be traveling in Asia for a month. I don't need any of bells and whistles and I want a phone that is very stable, very energy efficient and GPS camera definitely has to works. Which rom/kernel will you recommend? any setting tricks? Thanks
I have tried Rod's MiuiMod, CM6.1.1, CM7 and many others.
I found that CM7 + WM 1/6/2011 kernel gives me the best battery life, but CM7 is still not in stable stage yet.

I have had the most battery life with Enomthers Rom, currently he is away on personal responsibilities but his latest stable rom is very battery efficient!

I have no recommendation as to kernel/rom combinations, but for long battery life I use this:
http://www.amazon.com/Seidio-Innocell-Battery-Google-Replacement/dp/B003FSTBP4/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1296521084&sr=8-2
I got really tired of barely making through a day without having to recharge so I bought one of these. I got mine for $61 on Amazon and free shipping. It's 3200mah which is over twice the stock battery. My first full charge/discharge cycle I got over 34 hours of moderate usage and it's supposed to get better after a few charge cycles. It does make your phone about 30-40% thicker (comes with it's own custom battery cover), but for the battery life you get it's well worth the added thickness. I also find it's a little easier to hold on to.
Anyway, maybe not the solution you're looking for but for me it was well worth the money.
Just my 2 cents.

phburks said:
I have no recommendation as to kernel/rom combinations, but for long battery life I use this:
http://www.amazon.com/Seidio-Innocell-Battery-Google-Replacement/dp/B003FSTBP4/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1296521084&sr=8-2
Just my 2 cents.
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That's one big battery Thanks tho, but I want my N1 to stay small.

I second the recommendation for Enomther's. Rock-stable.

I have no combo recommendation cuz I haven't found a really good one yet. Right now I'm using cm6.1 and wild monks kernel. It's been decent for me. But I suggest using set cpu, put on power save mode when you don't use the phone. It'll be there forever. Turn off data connection and gps as well. Also using less like half the animation helps speed up the phone and saves battery too.
Ps I'm combining inexus theme too and their icons plus the animations are amazing! My phone looks colorful as hell!
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spx2000 said:
That's one big battery Thanks tho, but I want my N1 to stay small.
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Lol yea it does add some bulk but it sure is reassuring to know I don't have worry about my battery dying before the day is over. I use my phone a lot and don't have time to really recharge it much and I don't like the idea of carrying extra batteries so this works very well for me.

I haven't done too many Roms, but miui has given me the most battery life out of stock, cm and miui.
I've been travelling and I managed to get 4-5 days with minimal calls and very light usage. If you use it normally with wifi and regular calls, 2-3 days is usually the limit.
Both these numbers are with auto airplane mode during my sleep hours.
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What i have heard is that CM7 is 20-30% more efficient with battery life than CM6

Not true
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That really is a personal opinion.
xzr3b0rnzx said:
Not true
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In my personal opinion, CM7 Nightlies are really stable. After a real heavy usage i.e. playing games, surfing, calls, messages, i get about 15 hours a day.
My phone is fully charged when I leave at 8 and by 8 pm battery will be somewhere between 40 and 45 % left.
Bugs are there with CM7 Nightlies but so far I haven't had any problems with it.

Recently I've been through about 3 roms, and of the three (rod's, micromod's own GB aosp, and leo's GB aosp, leo's gives me the best battery life.
It might be because he incorporated the battery driver, though.

[Q] The best ROM considering Battery live ?

Which ROM is the best considering Battery live ?
Thanks.

There is a real nice chart in the captivate general forum thread called battery showdown, still a work in progress, but a good place to start.
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My vote
So far Twingerbread has had great battery life. Plus it works really well.

I'm very happy with Andromeda 1.2.

see my signature ... i got more than 24+ hours for a single charge.

the best i can have is 3days with supernova and suckerpunch kernal OCed at 1200, but with light use (almost 2 hours of screen on and about an half hour of voice call)

kakahoang said:
the best i can have is 3days with supernova and suckerpunch kernal OCed at 1200, but with light use (almost 2 hours of screen on and about an half hour of voice call)
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I don't believe that for a second. Captivate 2.1 Stock loses 15% battery just from cell activity over about 6 hours. And a half hour voice call would suck up about another 30%

demonblod said:
I don't believe that for a second. Captivate 2.1 Stock loses 15% battery just from cell activity over about 6 hours. And a half hour voice call would suck up about another 30%
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I lose about 15% for 30 min voice call, 1% for 1and half hours of standby, and 1% lose per 4 mins of time on (i mean screen on). however i have problem with sukerpunch in wifi connection I have to go to setting/wifi to open the wifi connection

I'm using phoenix ultimate and currently @ 33% 25 hours unplugged. Light to moderate use.
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46.5 hours with 29 percent left
with pheonix 7 with BLN activated light use but with google synch on the whole time

rob ben said:
46.5 hours with 29 percent left
with pheonix 7 with BLN activated light use but with google synch on the whole time
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New Captivates shipping with car batteries in them or something? Fking rediculous.

prayii said:
New Captivates shipping with car batteries in them or something? Fking rediculous.
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rob ben said:
46.5 hours with 29 percent left
with pheonix 7 with BLN activated light use but with google synch on the whole time
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That is pretty insane. Are you UC/UVing the crap out of the ROM too? I'm running Precision 3.5 and I get at MOST 28-29 hours a single charge but I'm a moderate to heavy user. Maybe if I was a light user I may squeeze another 5-10 hours i suppose...but nothing like yours...

Coak5 said:
That is pretty insane. Are you UC/UVing the crap out of the ROM too? I'm running Precision 3.5 and I get at MOST 28-29 hours a single charge but I'm a moderate to heavy user. Maybe if I was a light user I may squeeze another 5-10 hours i suppose...but nothing like yours...
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I am going to decond that, since I am a moderate to heavy user as well. However, i would like to put in a good word for DG's Cognition 4.1.1. Battery time is better than most that I have seen.........except in my case (having power issues with my suckerpunch kernel at the moment).

Coak5 said:
That is pretty insane. Are you UC/UVing the crap out of the ROM too? I'm running Precision 3.5 and I get at MOST 28-29 hours a single charge but I'm a moderate to heavy user. Maybe if I was a light user I may squeeze another 5-10 hours i suppose...but nothing like yours...
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I am going to decond that, since I am a moderate to heavy user as well. However, i would like to put in a good word for DG's Cognition 4.1.1. Battery time is better than most that I have seen.........except in my case (having power issues with my suckerpunch kernel at the moment).

I've been using Juiced 2.1 for a few days. Very happy with battery life and speed. I get about 27 hours in standby.

I have only used a few roms (various versions of cog, percep, androm, paragon and twinger) over the last couple of months and my best so far is twinger. I don't use custom kernals or modems or whatever, as it is uploaded is how I use it. I keep everything enabled and updating, have plenty of widgets and 100+ apps. Heavy/Moderate/Light, not only is it relative I don't waste time worrying about it. The most important thing for me is to use my phone as it was meant to be used without all the fussing over settings and make it through every day no matter the useage and no matter how early or late I get home and the only one to last longer than me has been twinger. I rarely use GPS because no matter what I have used, it sucks, even plum bobs fix, freakin samsuck!
Jerry

Using Dilligaf's 7.0.1
Stats in screenshots
35% left after over 1 day 7 hours
Still on the replacement battery I got in Sep '10.

Why do people dwell on battery usage? Use the phone lightly and there isn't much usage. Use it more and there's more usage. Have GPS, WiFi, updates, etc running non-stop and it drains even faster.
During the week with fairly low usage, I recharge every night with between 60 to 70% remaining. Then from Fri morning at 700 am until Sun evening at 1100 pm (64 hours) it'll be down around 20% remaining. BECAUSE I rarely use it on weekends, GPS off, auto-rotation off, WiFi off, no texting/email, maybe 1 or 2 phone calls.
Been roughly the same with all three ROMS I've been on (Andromeda, then Di11i's, now Darky's 9.3 Extreme)

Even though it is still beta, I seem to have the best battery life with CM7 and TheEscapist's kernel overclocked to 1.2ghz and UV'ed. Gingerbread should use less battery life than Froyo so maybe this shouldn't be a surprise.

60% after 17:25, moderate usage. Cognition 4.1.1 with Speedmod's K13c and KP1. Animated screen saver, gmail synching, a bit more than three hours of onscreen time, including surfing, music player and games.
This is so different from Cog 3.02 and earlier, when I was lucky to squeeze out 16 hours total, and the phone burned 10% of the charge in 5 hours when idle. Now it burns 1-2% when idle, and KP1 seems to burn a bit less battery when I'm actively using the phone than JK4 did. And, oh, yeah: everything works! I couldn't be more pleased.

Should i get this phone? Advice pls!

Hi all. Im due an upgrade i summer. Im looking At this phone or the desire s. But is this phone buggy? Is the dua core really something special? Reviews on the 2x arent too good atm, the phone has many negative points abt it! It was like that with my tg01. I got it because it was the worlds first 1ghz phone. (just like this is the worlds first dual core) my tg01 has soo mamy bugs with it and it was rushed out. Is the 2x like this? I hear it is very buggy. I dont want to get another phone like my tg01 where i rely on custom roms for the phone to be usable.
So long story short, is this phone good? Is dual core something special? Or is speed more or less the same as single cores? Some ppl say that dual core is not needed with android.. Is this true?
Sorry for the quick messy typing (not on pc) and looking for some quick answers!
Cheers
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bump :')
anyone?

Its GPU is a bit ahead of the Samsung's... The CPU is far ahead. In Smartbench 2011 I score 4142CPU and 2953GPU and no samsung devices are even on the charts (with 1.4ghz OC but still stock is a lot better, and I would recommend installing a custom rom...). The call quality can be quite bad until you flash the baseband but after that it should be great. I have nothing bad to say about this phone, and when 2.4 comes out it will only get better (2.4 is rumored to come with real dual-core support)

Even though mine's been working quite well for past 2 weeks as my daily phone, there are also people who are quite fed up with theirs.
I hadn't read xda's user reviews prior to getting mine, but if I were to get another 2x now, I would wait for LG to provide a firmware update that significantly reduces the lock-up/reboot/battery drain issues. It's just to be perfectly sure that I will get one as stable (or more so) than my existing 2x.

I believe the battery drain issue can be fixed manually. just need a through check on whats running and how

thank you all for replies!
(xilw3r sorry i have run out if thanks!)
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so most issues will be fixed with updates? but does the phone need to use a custom rom to be usable? is lg's ui good?
and is dualcore really much of a difference? do you notice a giant speed difference betweeen other android phones, or is it overhyped?
is battery life good on this? how long heavy use can it last under wifi?
im really stuck considering this and the
desire s

LG ui is laggy and a personal choice, i use lancher pro plus. heavy use and wifi battery lasts a few hours.
Battery doesnt last a day with low usage for me. 5-10% per hour on standby. With 3g on and mail twitter etc sync every 60 minutes. my old hero lasts longer with heavier use
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Can't comment much on the performance or UI as I moved over from Symbian. Though, it's much smoother in its user interaction than my son's LG Optimus One, but that's single core, 600mhz.
On days that I don't play much with it and actually use it like a typical work phone, the battery remains above 50% by 6pm. I think usually about 1 to 1.5 hour talk, hourly email auto-checks, less than half-hour of browsing and less than 20 SMSes. I am not a heavy user: I don't IM at all, nor GPS or game much. Just typical work-type usage.
Note: I switch off wifi when I am out of the house and rely on 3G for data connection. I find that keeps the battery lasting longer.

DarthD said:
LG ui is laggy and a personal choice, i use lancher pro plus. heavy use and wifi battery lasts a few hours.
Battery doesnt last a day with low usage for me. 5-10% per hour on standby. With 3g on and mail twitter etc sync every 60 minutes. my old hero lasts longer with heavier use
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then you have some application/service/process running roque
Mine easily last 10 hours in standby with only 1% battery use (wifi and 3g and autosync enabled)
if you have 5-10% drain per hour on standby, you have some application/service/process not going to sleep as it should, using cpu and power, and preventing your phone from entering standby mode.
Thats not a problem of the phone - but a software issue that you as user need to investigate and solve
with low usage I easily get 2 days running - with moderate use 1½ - and with heavy use 1 full day.

No strange processes running here, spent a few days of testing with different roms aswell drain still exists
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thanks fir responses! i was gonna say 5-10 drainage in an hr is bad! is the a common problem? i heard abt these battey issues!

Battery usage:
16h after power was unplugged, I still have around 40-45% of battery. Low usage (WiFi/3G on, a few calls, gTalk, but no email sync activated).
ROM: 10b
"Proof": dl.dropbox.com/u/1337791/android/2011-04-07%2001.15.23.png

Thank you all for responses much aprrecisted
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I relly want this phone but im not sure about it anymore.. i read so many many many big bugs about it, and seems that almost EVERYONE is having them..
optimus one was a great phone with dew bugs, why cant they make the same quality on a HIGHER END handset lol :S ?

If you look through the forums of any phone, there will be a lot of people talking about how they have some sort of problem.
Nexus S

yea but o2x is A LOT, mean u have 60 page thead about reboot issues.... that doesnt look too promising ..

You can always return it if you have too many problems
Nexus S

The stores have em already, G-slate and G2x. Played with both today, I know the manager in store but before somebody make a dumb comment pertaining to that, aint nuttin top secret and no special info was bestowed on me because of who I know. The stores just have them stocked already. The slate is nice though, good build, nice size and weight, kinda reminded me of the ipad but lighter. Honeycomb makes our phones look like gameboy colors.
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But the G2x was also better than my expectations! By far blows most of the others out of water.
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olyloh6696 said:
Hi all. Im due an upgrade i summer.
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By the summer? This phone will be old news then.

Post you battery life chart here!

I literally cannot take this phone off my hands but I tried to test out how long the battery could last with few gaming and browsing with light usage and this is what I got
I'm really impressed with standby times
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Used much WiFi for fb and surfing. A bit mobile data.. no games..
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I found there might be some defective on software or sth else,
some batteries drain so fast, some are not.
for example, mine never last over 24hr even i turn off everything, use only 2G, with no app installed.
and it's instable, sometimes it drains so fast, sometimes not. I don't know why.

Until we get a software update probably will be great battery like the update for one x
Made possible by my sexy LG Optimus 4X HD (P880)

my baterry :good:

Why is my android system using this much power? Anyone else have that broblem? My phone was recharged before I took the screenshot. Battery did run out on 12h with 3h 10min screen on.
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duukka said:
Why is my android system using this much power? Anyone else have that broblem? My phone was recharged before I took the screenshot. Battery did run out on 12h with 3h 10min screen on.
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Same here my android system is on top, even after deleting some stock apps and disabling fast demorcacy. I usually get screen time of around 3 hours 10 mins which is poor.
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What apps do you have installed and what settings have you changed?

How does one take a screen shot on stock rom?

AW: Post you battery life chart here!
Atomix86 said:
How does one take a screen shot on stock rom?
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Just press vol down and the power-button at the same time.
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Could u please always upload your screen on time? Battery chart doesn't make much sanse without it

duukka said:
Why is my android system using this much power?
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I think that is why many of us expect a huge battery improvement after updating to JB ,perhaps the newer system wont be so power hungry.

these screenshots are fun and all but they are totaly irrelevant.
hoe much USE time are people gettng is whats interesting.
so screen on time.
as the goal is no drain with screen off and as long as possible screen on time (this is when you use apps and so on).
my phone can be on for 2 days and still hve 95% juice left but thats kinda irrelevant if i dont touch it.
when i use it non stop my use time averages on 4 hours and 15 minutes so far.
all the people having problems with battery drain must have either bad apps installed of verry poor wifi/3g connections.
as in a good serup with no bad apps and good signal wifi should not drain battery at all if your not using it.
i would so like all people with issue to lend me there phones for 3 days to see if in my stable envourement they have the same issues.
im fairly sure that all these problems are signal and user related and that it has nothing to do with the hardware.

My phone would only give me 2 hours max if the mobile data is on with sync off facebook sync set to 1 hour and hotmail sync set to 1 hours. But if wifi is on throughout the day i would get around 3 hours 15 min average with sync on hotmail set to push and facebook sync set to 1 hour. The battery is really poor as i only use it generally for txting whatsapp and just a bit browsing thats all nothing else. When i watch videos my phone consumes less battery, than normal usage which i do everyday. The highest screen time i have ever got was 4 hours 15 mins thatd because i watched a video for almost like 3 hours thats why. But the battery is still really poor
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My android system also consumes a lot of power, its always on top no matter what. I am running on V_10H I disabled some stock apps using titanium backup and used fast demorcacy but the only difference I could see was android wakeups had been much lower thats all and so less power consumption when phone on standby thats all.

hutjeflut said:
my phone can be on for 2 days and still hve 95% juice left but thats kinda irrelevant if i dont touch it.
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this is totally relevant information for regular users.
many people complain about battery drain and that a custom rom is the cause or custom kernel when its available, but what shows that it is not, is when you can place your handheld mobile or tablet alone with wifi set to instant off and you got 3g disabled and it lives for days without loss of battery, you know that it is stable.
when you suddenly lose battery in hours and previous tests showed it was lasting days, you can be sure you got battery infected apps trying to activate your cpu all the time.

i'd like to buy this phone but i'm a bit afaid of the battery drain. people who says it last 2 days with normal use other says that with gaming and browsing lasts 10-15h but a lot says that the battery lasts just 6 h with normal use... can someone who owns this phone and he use it with a middle-intense use (texting,browsing,gaming some time) tell me how much lasts the battery please??

Omar56 said:
i'd like to buy this phone but i'm a bit afaid of the battery drain. people who says it last 2 days with normal use other says that with gaming and browsing lasts 10-15h but a lot says that the battery lasts just 6 h with normal use... can someone who owns this phone and he use it with a middle-intense use (texting,browsing,gaming some time) tell me how much lasts the battery please??
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Read my previous post
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rsabdul said:
Read my previous post
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So there's no way. battery life is really bad....that's a pity since i like it a lot...

Omar56 said:
So there's no way. battery life is really bad....that's a pity since i like it a lot...
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Yeh the batterys bad the camera isnt that good and the games that developers make are mostly laggy on this phone such as asphalt 7 real racing 3 as they dont seem to optimise the graphics for the tegra 3
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Omar56 said:
So there's no way. battery life is really bad....that's a pity since i like it a lot...
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Well, my usage pattern is kinda light, but still...
- took it off the charger at 7:15 am
- 3g data permanently on while I'm not at home (from 7:20 til 18:00 or 19:00)
- wifi on when I'm at home (during the night too, I never switch the phone off)
- sync always on (gmail, whatsapp)
- received a couple short phone calls, let's say 5-6 mins
- received a bunch of emails, say about 15 or something
- some messaging (on whatsapp and gtalk, I don't use sms)
- some facebook, let's say 15 minutes (through mobile website 'cause FB app sucks big time, always had and most probably always will)
- some net browsing looking for a few stuff, let's say 5-10 minutes
- checked a couple forums on tapatalk a couple times
- updated 3 or 4 apps on wifi
- downloaded a 50mb game on wifi and played it for like 10-15 minutes
- ebook reading on moon+ for 1 hour and 30 minutes (maybe even longer, didn't check the exact time)
I connected it to the charger when it reached 12% battery at about midnight THE NEXT DAY (yes, that is around 41 hours without recharging it)
Overall, I can say I'm satisfied, at least for my standard usage...
- Stock v10h firmware, no root (yet).
- Nova launcher since 5 minutes after buying it
- I usually keep brightness quite low unless I'm out in the open under the sun, good thing about this phone's screen is that it's usually very well visible even with only a 20% brightness. If I need to use it in full sunlight, I conveniently placed a full brightness widget on my homescreen, and then back to 20% with one click when I'm done. No autobrightness 'cause I don't like much how it's set to work on this phone (was kinda better on my old i9000, but oh well, 1 click widget and I'm good to go, no sweat)
- Disabled 3 or 4 stock apps (through app settings, no titanium or other stuff)
I noticed that battery usage was kinda higher before disabling those stock apps, I guess one of them was a powermonster of sorts (I suspect the meteo one, but I'm not sure)
- No facebook notifications of course, not for battery-related reasons but just 'cause I simply hate them... but I guess that's nice on the battery too

Screen on time on our LG 2X..!!

Hello guys and girls.
I am just interested about how much screen on time our phone can achieve so just share our records.
Anything doing like gaming watching videos using facebook and other apps so we can compare aour screen on times.
Mine on CM10 pengus with kowalski exp112 is around 2hours and 10 minutes.
Yours?:highfive:

sokinso said:
Hello guys and girls.
I am just interested about how much screen on time our phone can achieve so just share our records.
Anything doing like gaming watching videos using facebook and other apps so we can compare aour screen on times.
Mine on CM10 pengus with kowalski exp112 is around 2hours and 10 minutes.
Yours?:highfive:
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2h 10min
What happend with your battery, PA 2.6 Build 8 with Kowalski Exp110 and 3g for over 3h

cm7 tsmack kang
cm7 kang 135.2
i was always around 3h screen on
had only 2g on.
but when i was at home with wifi on, was some more than 3h
but the phone was already 1.5 years old when i go it. must now be 2.5years old. never changed battery (maybe because of that i had bad battery..)
now passed to the lg optimus l9 get every day 4h screen on time, great standby time.
ow btw i'm sending text messages hole day with go sms. (browsing the web is more battery friendly..)

Flashed PA ver. 8. and the battery life improved greatly.
Now i get about 3.15 hours with screen on an improvement of 50% over the cm10 unofficial of pengus.
Usage:Facebook Tapatalk browsing music little gps reading books etc.. :thumbup:
How about others?
Post your results guys..
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sokinso said:
Flashed PA ver. 8. and the battery life improved greatly.
Now i get about 3.15 hours with screen on an improvement of 50% over the cm10 unofficial of pengus.
Usage:Facebook Tapatalk browsing music little gps reading books etc.. :thumbup:
How about others?
Post your results guys..
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Lol.that is placebo or user app related,you are using same kernel on both roms and only maybe few little batt. tweaks in tony's rom which don't make that much difference
Probably you had app battery drain couse there should be verry slight difference between this rom's in terms of battery usage
I have tested both,and the drain for me is the same...

aigaming said:
Lol.that is placebo or user app related,you are using same kernel on both roms and only maybe few little batt. tweaks in tony's rom which don't make that much difference
Probably you had app battery drain couse there should be verry slight difference between this rom's in terms of battery usage
I have tested both,and the drain for me is the same...
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Definitely NOT a placebo...
Just the same apps with battery stats checking out for an app that drains more on both roms and nothing special found.
For sure it wasn't an app issue cause i checked it many times.
How about yours?
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I got about ~ 3hrs of uptime with 1700mah battery
And for me,penguses cm10 is working better then pa in terms of smothness and free ram