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Bionic vs vigor

How is the bionic treating u guy's ....im up in the air with this... cause i love my tbolt..but really wanted the bionic...but at the time it wasnt out so i got the tbolt cause i wanted to be grandfathered in the unlimited data plan...but now the bionic is out im thinking about it...but also rumors about the htc vigor a.k.a incredible HD is said to be out soon. So now im in a dilema..lmao.. I know the only difference between the 2 is generally is diffrent UI, diffrent screens and 1 ghz dual core and other has 1.5 dual core....But would like other ppl input. I know it's more on what's my personal preference, but would like some of u guy's input....... Thanks in advance
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I updated to the bionic from a thunderbolt and am very happy. I actually like the bionic screen better than the thunderbolts and the battery is
A little better. I really like the fact that I can see the display outside perfect. I am not sure if a am blind but I love the display and do not know why people complain about it. I bought the bionic thinking I would return it because I wanted the prime. I decided to keep it because it was the first phone I could use outside and see the display.
For what it is worth I will also be getting the prime when it comes out. I want to try it out and if I like it better the the bionic I will keep it.
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Love my Bionic as well, I really love the screen as said above. I couldn't see the thunderbolts display outdoors, I dont have that problem with the Bionic.
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The prime isn't coming to VZW and there's no official release date for the vigor. Get the bionic. You won't b disAppointed and you'll never keep up with technology anyway. Lol.
Some quad core 1080p display phone would drop right after you get the Vigor.
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bigsapz said:
The prime isn't coming to VZW and there's no official release date for the vigor. Get the bionic. You won't b disAppointed and you'll never keep up with technology anyway. Lol.
Some quad core 1080p display phone would drop right after you get the Vigor.
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I endorse most of this comment. You're asking us to compare a phone that is out to one that isn't. There is always going to be the next big thing...
I'd say it boils down to this- do you like HTC/sense or Moto/blur more? There is your answer.
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I got a Bionic to replace an ailing Charge with the intent to do exactly what you're describing and I very well may end up keeping it. I can't remember the last time I bought a phone and immediately formed the impression that this was a device that just might last the term of my contract.

I am coming from droid incredible.
I am planning to return my bionic right before the return window is up and wait for the Vigor.
I miss HTC sense wayyyy to much. I also dont like how when you pinch to zoom it doesnt auto fill text in the new window it just zooms in.
I can see diaplay outside which is nice but motorola just isnt for me. The zumocast hasnt worked so i cant comment about that except it doesnt work.
I think i was spoiled with HTC and Sense and dont like any other ui though.
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mistawolfe said:
I endorse most of this comment. You're asking us to compare a phone that is out to one that isn't. There is always going to be the next big thing...
I'd say it boils down to this- do you like HTC/sense or Moto/blur more? There is your answer.
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@mistawolfe....think u might have a good point....i never used Moto/blur.....the tbolt is my first android phone...right now it rooted and im not even running a sense rom on it...but i did like sense....but droidth3ory turned me over to ASOP Rom.....but i do like sense....maybe ill try it out and see if i like it. I have to buy it out right with no contract...can i return it if i dont like it in the 14 days even if i buy it out right?
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Coming from a tbolt it has been great. Screen, battery, & quality (of phone) are are better on bionic. Loved my D1, bolt failed me so was given bionic. I love that the extended battery doesn't add 3 lbs to phone. I'd love to get prime if/when that comes out for VZW, but who knows what will be out around christmas.
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sporty377 said:
@mistawolfe....think u might have a good point....i never used Moto/blur.....the tbolt is my first android phone...right now it rooted and im not even running a sense rom on it...but i did like sense....but droidth3ory turned me over to ASOP Rom.....but i do like sense....maybe ill try it out and see if i like it. I have to buy it out right with no contract...can i return it if i dont like it in the 14 days even if i buy it out right?
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I'm pretty sure the 14 days is standard regardless of how you buy it.
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Guess ill find out tomorrow ..lol
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I think the vigor will be the better phone, depends on how good the battery is. Everyone knows htc and their batteries.

buy it at bestbuy instead. they got a 30 day policy that aligns with verizon's 30 day cancellation

I love my bionic. Its the best phone i ever had. Very satisfied with it had a facinate before bionic

I love my Bionic.. I've used alot of droid phones but all were Motorola so I guess my opinion might be a bit biased but my brother likes HTC phones and I've used his here and there and I prefer Motorolas build quality over anything and the Bionic is fast and has good battery life... this may be the first phone to last the term of my contract ..
I say pull the trigger and see how you like it .. best advice you can honestly get ..
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bigsapz said:
The prime isn't coming to VZW and there's no official release date for the vigor. Get the bionic. You won't b disAppointed and you'll never keep up with technology anyway. Lol.
Some quad core 1080p display phone would drop right after you get the Vigor.
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I have a couple insider friends who 1 of which will be at the Sammy event this week. He states, "whoever said the Prime, or a form of it, isn't coming to Verizon is a complete moron". lol, I will put it this way, he has never been wrong, and a lot of the "leaked" shots that have come about from phones in the last 2 years have been him or someone he knew.

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I'm pretty sure the 14 days is standard regardless of how you buy it.
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If you buy it from Costco, you get 14 days to back out of the Verizon service (I might be wrong on this, could be 30), but 90 days to exchange the phone. I bought a Charge on July 3rd, exchanged it a few days later because I thought it was defective (turns out it just has a ****ty radio), and then exchanged it again for the Bionic a couple of weeks after it came out.

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I have a couple insider friends who 1 of which will be at the Sammy event this week. He states, "whoever said the Prime, or a form of it, isn't coming to Verizon is a complete moron". lol, I will put it this way, he has never been wrong, and a lot of the "leaked" shots that have come about from phones in the last 2 years have been him or someone he knew.
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Well your brother looks like the moron Until something official comes out saYing it's going to Verizon. So far only a GSM model had been talked about. No CDMA
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bigsapz said:
Well your brother looks like the moron Until something official comes out saYing it's going to Verizon. So far only a GSM model had been talked about. No CDMA
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You are wrong. It showed in the cellubrite systems. Familiar with black_man_x or p3droid? Black man works for google (formerly Verizon) and he confirmed it.
I'll bet you my paycheck. There are two versions. Read up more
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bigsapz said:
Well your brother looks like the moron Until something official comes out saYing it's going to Verizon. So far only a GSM model had been talked about. No CDMA
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I have seen at least 2 credible people say that it is coming to Verizon. One of those people seems to have a system dump of the Prime so it looks like you are still the moron.

Where is the Developing

Is anyone even seeing all the ports being done today? SG II and LG Optimus which is crap compared to the bionic cmon guys where is the love i understand Moto is not the most loved but man...

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Is anyone even seeing all the ports being done today? SG II and LG Optimus which is crap compared to the bionic cmon guys where is the love i understand Moto is not the most loved but man...
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its not that moto isnt loved, or the bionic isnt a good phone, its that the bootloader is still locked which hinders developers and developer support

yea i know about the bootloader it sucks but i dont want to buy nexus just because its a new phone and OS well have to sit tight no choice

I honestly am happy with the bionic right now. I would like the galaxy nexus, but I much prefer to buy mods for my car than a new phone every other month. I am going to sit with the bionic for a little while and wait. Hell a quad core phone is already in development from HTC. If I keep buying new phone ill be a poor man. The bionic is so much better than the thunderbolt that I don't care one had an unlocked bootloader and the other one doesn't. The bionic is a great phone.
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nosympathy said:
I honestly am happy with the bionic right now. I would like the galaxy nexus, but I much prefer to buy mods for my car than a new phone every other month. I am going to sit with the bionic for a little while and wait. Hell a quad core phone is already in development from HTC. If I keep buying new phone ill be a poor man. The bionic is so much better than the thunderbolt that I don't care one had an unlocked bootloader and the other one doesn't. The bionic is a great phone.
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i do agree with u on the bionic being a great phone but Moto is always the same with the bootloaders dude if it didnt have it locked i would stay for it for a lonnnggg time but idk

Locked Bootloaders are only aren't the end of the world. If you wanted an unlocked bootloader, why didn't you get the LG Revolution because its unlocked. The fact is that the bionic is locked and already has more roms than the revolution which is unlocked.
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Who's returning?

In the development section seems root will come soon. Now the question is who.is stil planning on returning the vivid? I have till Monday I bought it a launch. I'm still debating especially with root seemingly coming in some time now from what's been said in think tank in development section.
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blopez24 said:
In the development section seems root will come soon. Now the question is who.is stil planning on returning the vivid? I have till Monday I bought it a launch. I'm still debating especially with root seemingly coming in some time now from what's been said in think tank in development section.
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Not sure how soon it will come, but it's nice to know someone is working on it at this point. I've always favored root rhough XDA as oppose to through HTC.

I think I'm keeping mine. I don't like any of the other phones. Not a fan of Samsung. This phone will be awesome when it is cracked.
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keeping mine. stock its not bad, and rooted will be epic! i'd consider the SG2, but for $100 more, it doesnt seem like the right deal... loving the vivid!

Mines going back tomorrow for the nitro, I won't miss it too much since I also have an amaze 4g. The wife doesn't understand why I need 2 hi end phones but what she doesn't realize is that come march I'll have 3 and in July I'll be adding another. If the vivid gets perm root and unlocked with s-off I'll probably get another one. I love the phone and the screen is one of the prettiest out there in my opinion. Hopefully it won't take long to get things moving on it, if htc doesn't keep their promise the amaze might be my last htc device unless if they were to bring a rezound to att, if that happened I'd be like a kid at Christmas.
Best of luck to those keeping it, it really is a great phone but I see the word HD in a device name and I start slobbering all over myself.
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Already returned mine, still with HTC though. I just couldn't do the Samsung.
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i returned mine... i now have the gs2 1777. i love that phone. when i got the vivid, i wasnt really liking it but i learned to like it... but the gs2 i loved almost instantly. really glad i switched

I'm Keeping Mine
It does what I need - phone calls, texting, web access, running apps I've installed. Except for a couple of random reboots (none recently) and one system freeze (pulled the battery) over 30 days, I've had no real problems. It's fast when I have a good data connection, and I don't think it's the phone's fault when I don't. I did give AT&T a list of issues for their survey, but overall, I'm satisfied.
As for the Carrier IQ issue, any phone I get from AT&T (except for possibly the iPhone 4S) will have CIQ software on it. Rooting, when available, may not be totally stable yet for any of the new LTE phones. The best solution for me is to keep my communications plain vanilla, which I do any way, so there's nothing that I need to be worried about. I do want to CIQ stuff off my phone if and when there is a safe way to do it.

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As for the Carrier IQ issue, any phone I get from AT&T (except for possibly the iPhone 4S) will have CIQ software on it. Rooting, when available, may not be totally stable yet for any of the new LTE phones. The best solution for me is to keep my communications plain vanilla, which I do any way, so there's nothing that I need to be worried about. I do want to CIQ stuff off my phone if and when there is a safe way to do it.
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the SGHi777 aka the Galaxy S 2, does not contain CIQ
as for rooting LTE phones, i guess you havent seen the GS2 Skyrocket forums? its rooted and has custom roms.

I have 211 confirmed receipts so far from those were lied to and are joining the class action suit.
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Oh well, I'm keeping mine. I really like the phone and tbh I'll get another one in about a year, so I think I can live with it till then.
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Is there any update on XDA for rooting the Vivid?!

akcooper9 said:
is there any update on xda for rooting the vivid?!
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do you see any?!

Pirateghost said:
do you see any?!
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Busted! You are. Just wishful asking.

akcooper9 said:
Is there any update on XDA for rooting the Vivid?!
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Our own Gsleon has been talking with Evil_Devnull a little bit. Evil is working on rooting the HTC Rezound (which is nearly identical to the Vivid). So as of now, keep on the lookout for the progress with the Rezound root, because that could very well translate to when/how we Vivid owners get root.

randrewm97 said:
i returned mine... i now have the gs2 1777. i love that phone. when i got the vivid, i wasnt really liking it but i learned to like it... but the gs2 i loved almost instantly. really glad i switched
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You made a good choice. I owned gs2 earlier, switched to vivid, and had to come back to GS2. I wanted to Love vivid but HTC/Att who ever locks the boot loader shattered my plans. Well, I'm happy to be back to GS2.
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Went in to return the vivid tonight...
I didn't.
Quite simply, there is no viable alternative.
The skyrockets screen is horrendous and build quality is scary.
The nitro has the most beautiful screen I have ever seen but it is so laggy, unresponsive and jittery it feels like am entry level Android device, plus even with an unlocked bootloader devs hate LG so who knows what roms will ever come out for it.
So I sit... And pray someone crack this thing.
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ClippinWings said:
Went in to return the vivid tonight...
I didn't.
Quite simply, there is no viable alternative.
The skyrockets screen is horrendous and build quality is scary.
The nitro has the most beautiful screen I have ever seen but it is so laggy, unresponsive and jittery it feels like am entry level Android device, plus even with an unlocked bootloader devs hate LG so who knows what roms will ever come out for it.
So I sit... And pray someone crack this thing.
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Finally... someone talks some sense. LG development is/has always been a joke. Samsung development consists of TouchWiz and AOSP Rom's (is there even a difference between the two?). I guess I can see all the people pissy about being lied to from HTC, but I don't see another option right now. Samsung phones are boring. I'm waiting for Evil and Gsleon.

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Finally... someone talks some sense. LG development is/has always been a joke. Samsung development consists of TouchWiz and AOSP Rom's (is there even a difference between the two?). I guess I can see all the people pissy about being lied to from HTC, but I don't see another option right now. Samsung phones are boring. I'm waiting for Evil and Gsleon.
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I'm going to stick it out as well and hope that these guys come through which I'm pretty sure they will. Don't get me wrong as I'm pissed off as well. But it'll give me satisfaction when we "stick it to he man".
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Three time loser

I am very disappointed . my android experience has been nothing but a headache... I have had a Samsung continuum, Droid x2 and now the Droid bionic.. ALL in which have been left out in the cold by VERIZON... It just Burns me up that I finally thought this device would be the one to finally get special attention but ha I was wrong... It was a flagship device now it's just a ugly stepchild... next thing you know this device won't get OFFICIAL ICS anymore. I wish just once I would luck out on a device for once. Feel free to let out your android woes I was just venting a little.
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To the contrary, I am very happy with my Bionic. It ran fine on stock .905, but I have flashed the .232 ICS update and it's even better. I think it is extremely likely we'll get the official ICS update. I don't think the phone needs special attention. It stands on its merits and I don't think I would be happier with a Razr, Galaxy, or some other phone.

I can understand that but by special attention I meant bootloader unlocking.. It is a good phone though.
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Yeah if Moto doesn't step up to the plate and unlock the Bionic I will be pissed off. And I will vote with my wallet when it comes time for another phone! However, I honestly believe ICS is not too far off into the the future and the .232 leak is quite nice.

As I recall everyone always knew Bionics bootloader was locked and no one ever promised it would be unlocked.

Unfortunately I didn't know so I guess I'm that 1% who didn't..
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Dougau - your recollection is faulty, and your post is pointless and unnecessary. Moto did announce that they would
unlock the Bionic bootloader.

We have kexec, overclocking, and a crap load of roms!! Official ics WILL be here. Did I mention safestrap? Isn't this enough support and development?
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It is the most development I seen on any other phone I had. I wasn't bashing the developers It was towards Verizon. If I didn't make that clear...
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JGradyO said:
Dougau - your recollection is faulty, and your post is pointless and unnecessary. Moto did announce that they would
unlock the Bionic bootloader.
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The second part of the post was unnecessary, apologizes to all. Link to where Moto (or Verizon) officially announced the Bionics bootloader would be unlocked would be greatly appreciated.

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Moto did announce that they would unlock the Bionic bootloader.
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When was that announced? I love my Bionic even with it's locked bootloader but if you have seen something the rest of us haven't.... link please

Dougau said:
The second part of the post was unnecessary, apologizes to all. Link to where Moto (or Verizon) officially announced the Bionics bootloader would be unlocked would be greatly appreciated.
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They never did. They were ambiguous on whether it would be unlockable or not. Some people took that ambiguity to mean it would be unlockable.

I for one Love my bionic. I'm also in the 1% not knowing about the locked bootloader but I blame myself for not researching that before I purchased the phone. I'm rooted and on ICS .232 and LOVE it.I don't need to be rooted. I had CM7 on my last device but ICS is everything I wanted and it works so smoothly. Plus it bumped my clock speed up to 1200Mhz. Honestly the specs on this phone is top shelf and was free with a 2year contract (got it June 28th). No other phone was priced this way that was 4g dual core with a gig of DDR2 ram except the LG Lucid ($30). My only complaint is the screen. 720p resolution would have been nice but for what it is and what I paid I could not complain.

Your in the same boat as me I also did not research about the bootloader... So I blame myself also on that part.
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I came from a HTC and may go back to HTC or Samsung when the time comes, but I've got almost 14 months till I can upgrade and a lot can change in that amount of time. For now I don't have the upgrade bug. The Bionic works terrific for me. Well, thats a lie. I want the OTA ICS update lol... but don't we all.

Who knows...

Verizon green lit the release of ICS for the thunderbolt. Not trying to give anyone false hope for any relief but I have seen this before with Verizon where they upgrade a phone well beyond the point one would expect... However I have only seen them do this with HTC phones...
Congrats to Thunderbolt users if there were any left.

I believe Aerosmith has a song about this...

jamRwoo said:
I believe Aerosmith has a song about this...
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Dream On?
Matters not to me. I have had an upgrade available for a month now. I am just waiting to see what is coming. (MWC this week)

Haxcid said:
Dream On?
Matters not to me. I have had an upgrade available for a month now. I am just waiting to see what is coming. (MWC this week)
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You got it, haha.
On another note, any idea who I might speak to about the possibility of my getting Moderator status for the Revo boards? I wanted to do some cleanup and consolidate the accurate information...Still plenty of people who have this phone coming here looking for assistance...I've done all this stuff before--hell I was here when we were figuring out a lot of it--but I still got turned around with all the contradicting info on here.

Haxcid said:
Dream On?
Matters not to me. I have had an upgrade available for a month now. I am just waiting to see what is coming. (MWC this week)
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Wait a few months. Motorola is working on their first Google ran device that if rumors are true, should be pretty nice. I'm not sure if it will be a Nexus or if Google will put their own spin on things, but it should be nice either way. Google was already able to get Motorola to start releasing developer editions for their newer phones.
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smokedkill said:
Wait a few months. Motorola is working on their first Google ran device that if rumors are true, should be pretty nice. I'm not sure if it will be a Nexus or if Google will put their own spin on things, but it should be nice either way. Google was already able to get Motorola to start releasing developer editions for their newer phones.
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Not really a Motorola fan. I really liked the HTC One but no Verizon love. Not really a Samsung fan either. My co-worker has an S3 and I am not impressed. I am not locked into the Android ecosystem anymore. I should be getting a WP8 phone from work for testing. I will run with that for a time (so I do not have to renew and lose my unlimited data). Maybe Verizon will get a One some day.

Haxcid said:
Not really a Motorola fan. I really liked the HTC One but no Verizon love. Not really a Samsung fan either. My co-worker has an S3 and I am not impressed. I am not locked into the Android ecosystem anymore. I should be getting a WP8 phone from work for testing. I will run with that for a time (so I do not have to renew and lose my unlimited data). Maybe Verizon will get a One some day.
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Just get the DNA then or wait and see what the S4 is like.

JetBlue said:
Just get the DNA then or wait and see what the S4 is like.
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I do not want the DNA. I want the One style. It is a handsome phone.