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Maybe not HC - How About ICS?

I saw an interesting article on the recent Google event. Since there has been some question about the S7 getting HC, because it does not meet the screen resolution requirements, maybe it will get Ice Cream:
"After Honeycomb comes Ice Cream Sandwich in the fourth quarter, which incorporates Honeycomb features but works on phones and Google TV devices as well. Job No. 1 for Ice Cream Sandwich is reducing the fragmentation problem that makes it hard to write one Android app that works on multiple devices, but Google was cagey on new features coming to make that possible. Also coming with Ice Cream Sandwich is a facial tracking technology. "
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-20061541-251.html?tag=nl.e404

I can assure you the s7 will have hc. Not sure when but it will happen. I booted a test today other then having touch driver issues and a few other problems its there. And its pretty lol.
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would people PLEASE stop going on about the stupid (and never confirmed) myth of honeycomb needing high res screens. It does not and will run happily one lower spec screens
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It's Android. Any OS version can be put on any device, with enough will and skill.
I got the S7 because of the screen size; personally, I feel a 10.1" loses the portability factor and I might as well be using a netbook. Having used HC on the XOOM, I'm thinking that the S7 will be the perfect platform for it. 7" is definitely not too small, and is probably just the right size (I know; that's what she said).

DJ_Steve said:
would people PLEASE stop going on about the stupid (and never confirmed) myth of honeycomb needing high res screens. It does not and will run happily one lower spec screens
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I wasn't speaking of if it was possible to put it on the S7 (yes, I'm sure it is); I have seen some posts that indicate that Google has set the standard for HC support above 800X480, which may mean that Dell won't upgrade. I'm not sure I've seen it confirmed anywhere. I was just pointing out that ICS may provide the same functionality, and would definitely work with the S7 resolution.
My OP was speaking of Dell releases, not outside developer rooting and hacking.

Z4nd4r said:
It's Android. Any OS version can be put on any device, with enough will and skill.
I got the S7 because of the screen size; personally, I feel a 10.1" loses the portability factor and I might as well be using a netbook. Having used HC on the XOOM, I'm thinking that the S7 will be the perfect platform for it. 7" is definitely not too small, and is probably just the right size (I know; that's what she said).
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I agree on the size.

Android ICS on personal computers? Sounds good!

I just had a random thought...ICS on personal computers! By that, I mean ICS running on our x86 desktops and laptops!
I tried Android X86 before. It was very fast, but running a phone O.S on a desktop just didn't feel right.
ICS seems as it may be very good for laptops and especially netbooks. Better speeds, better battery life, and greater security are just a few advanges over Windows.
Personally, I'd love to see ICS running on my MacBook. I believe it would both run and look amazing!
What are your thoughts about this? I for one see ICS running quite well on phones, tablets, and now personal computers!
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Now I can't see why i would want ICS on my desktop. I wouldn't be able to watch all my movies due to lack of codec support or software simply isn't polished enough. I wouldn't be able to code. I wouldn't be able to properly edit a document or start one. I could go on but you get the jist right? A computer is a computer, and for now ICS is a plaything. Until google thinks about entering the computer scene with android, it will be a plaything.

Mm I don't see ICS replacing my Mac or laptop , is way different, sure use a tablet as a full PC and trust me that ain't fun all the time, specially working a lot with spreadsheets, works become so much harder , ICS is meant to be a mobile OS
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what i always thought someone should do is release a PCI/PCIe card with a nice dual core ARM chip on it (tegra 2? IDK) and a few gigs of flash memory, to store android. boom. instant androi-based PC. more than enough for a lot of people.
I mean, it'd take a little work to come up with some universal drivers, but it couldn't be that hard, right?

I just wanted to throw in a little "update": Since Android 4 ICS will be open-source, the guys down at Android-X86 are sure to port it to X86, followed by a good community modding it.
I for one would love to have ICS running on my MacBook Pro, that is, while taking advantage of the Magic Multi-Touch trackpad. That would be epic.
Anyways, I hope to see ICS running well and looking great on all devices. Android 4 seems to be a very good operating system. I played with a Honeycomb tablet the other day and loved it; the UI was very nice and the menus were great. I can't wait to see a similar-looking O.S running on my blazin' Galaxy S II, and, hopefully my future Tegra 3-Powered tablet!

mtmerrick said:
what i always thought someone should do is release a PCI/PCIe card with a nice dual core ARM chip on it (tegra 2? IDK) and a few gigs of flash memory, to store android. boom. instant androi-based PC. more than enough for a lot of people.
I mean, it'd take a little work to come up with some universal drivers, but it couldn't be that hard, right?
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I'd say that it would be possible to develop a 13" laptop with a Dual-Core ARM chip, 1GB-2GB of RAM, and 4GB of flash (for Android) with a hard drive in UNDER $200. It would sell at $350 (if I were behind it).

I'm with Kailkti. I see no reason why I'd want Android on a PC. No reason whatsoever. None. The flexibility and feature set of Android and it's apps is just waaaay too far away from a full-fledged OS.
In fact, I'd go the other way around, the only situation I'd even consider a tablet is if I could run a traditional Linux distro on it. Which will never happen thanks to the closed nature of tablet hardware.
Keep mobile OSes as far away as possible from full-fledged computers, thank you.

Colton127 said:
I'd say that it would be possible to develop a 13" laptop with a Dual-Core ARM chip, 1GB-2GB of RAM, and 4GB of flash (for Android) with a hard drive in UNDER $200. It would sell at $350 (if I were behind it).
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I love that concept! i'd pay a lot for it if it had a touchscreen, no sure how interested i'd be if it didn't.

I think Android is fabulous, but there's enough lightweight Linux distros with much better support for x86 architecture and that aren't touchscreen centered that it's not likely the kind of market Android could gain ground on.
I also think both devices, a full fledged computer and a phone do go hand in hand for some people but are still vastly dissimilar in their usage.

mtmerrick said:
I love that concept! i'd pay a lot for it if it had a touchscreen, no sure how interested i'd be if it didn't.
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Honestly, I was thinking of no touchscreen (too expensive), but rather a large, Multi-Touch trackpad loaded with unique gestures and a good-sized keyboard.
You can always look at the ASUS Transformer, too.

Colton127 said:
Honestly, I was thinking of no touchscreen (too expensive), but rather a large, Multi-Touch trackpad loaded with unique gestures and a good-sized keyboard.
You can always look at the ASUS Transformer, too.
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reason i never went for the transformer was because as a standalone tablet its nothing special (a500 or others are much better value, isn't that good until you buy a $150 accessory, and then its only something unique used as a laptop - and i don't mind going on my laptop when i need to type something.
but if i can get a 15" touchscreen W8 laptop that i can dualboot W8ARM & ICS on, i'd LOVE that.

mtmerrick said:
but if i can get a 15" touchscreen W8 laptop that i can dualboot W8ARM & ICS on, i'd LOVE that.
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Never at a reasonable price. That's the big problem with touchscreens. Quality ones aren't cheap and cheap ones are of atrocious quality... A good OS with a crappy input method is no better than a crappy OS with a good input method. Either will make you rage because they won't behave as you wished.

mtmerrick said:
reason i never went for the transformer was because as a standalone tablet its nothing special (a500 or others are much better value, isn't that good until you buy a $150 accessory, and then its only something unique used as a laptop - and i don't mind going on my laptop when i need to type something.
but if i can get a 15" touchscreen W8 laptop that i can dualboot W8ARM & ICS on, i'd LOVE that.
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Honestly, I cannot think of a reason why you'd want a touchpad on a laptop. I'm using a MacBook Pro right now, and could not think of when I would EVER use a touchscreen, if the screen had one. The trackpad is much better, and the keyboard is just great.
Not to mention the arm strain you'd get from keeping your hand up to navigate.

What tablet apps are you running and do they work as "tablet" apps?

After receiving a shiny used Nook Color from Ebay, I immediately flashed the latest daily of CM9 (ICE) to EMMC and played around with it for a while. I installed several "tablet" apps from the Market, and I was very impressed by the formatting and presentation.
Unfortunately, performance was marginal at best, so I decided to flash the "official stable" version of CM7. I installed the same tablet apps as before and noticed that they were not displaying in "tablet mode". Landscape, yes, but not tablet-formatted.
For example, running Pocket Informant in landscape mode in CM9 provides a nice graphical notebook-like format, but CM7 displays the same as a simple landscape calendar, much like on my DROID Bionic.
So from this, I conclude that CM9 is a "real" tablet OS, while CM7 presents the Nook Color to the apps not as a tablet but as a high-resolution phone. Can anyone else confirm this? I absolutely LOVE the performance of CM7--it really flies and is very responsive--but long for the true "tablet" functionality of CM9.
That said, I'd love some input about how landscape mode works on the OS you have installed, and what "tablet-mode" apps actually render as a tablet.
1. What version of the OS are you running?
2. What "tablet" apps are you running?
3. Of those "tablet" apps you are running, what actually render as "tablet" apps?
Thanks!

Jim Barr said:
So from this, I conclude that CM9 is a "real" tablet OS, while CM7 presents the Nook Color to the apps not as a tablet but as a high-resolution phone. Can anyone else confirm this?!
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Yes, that is 100% correct. CM7 is based on Android 2.x and CM9 is based on Android 4.x. Android 2.x was designed for phones, Android 3.x was the first version to be designed with tablets in mind (and only tablets; phone functionality was stripped out), and Android 4.x folded both capabilities back into a single OS version. Because of the rush-job Google did in order to release Android 3.0 to compete with the iPad they didn't release the source code, which means it couldn't be properly ported over to the Nook Color or other Android tablets that were built with Android 2.x. However, they did release the full source code for 4.x in November which means this is the first time we have the source code for a version of Android actually designed for tablets
Because of these differences many apps have been built to require Android 3.x or higher (which includes CM9) in order to show the tablet layout. Maybe some of those are arbitrary but I'm sure others are taking advantage of system calls and/or UI calls that have only been added to the API since Android 3.x

Wait for the new hardware accelerated build fattire & co. work on right now.
It should be able to speed up things quite a bit thanks to a new SGX driver release.

It's still really early in the game. There's only one official ICS tablet out there - the Asus Transformer Prime. People were expecting many more ICS tablet announcements at CES a few weeks ago - didn't happen. I expect it's because ICS is based off of Honeycomb which didn't exactly set the world on fire and wasn't a big draw for app developers. But now that the ICS is going to be a joint phone/tablet OS - it should spark developers to greater heights. I also think the 7" form factor is going to be more and more popular also... and apps will be developed accordingly. Reader apps like Kindle look great on the nook because they were developed for the smaller form factors... others should follow suit.

Only a few games built for phone (Monopoly and some dice game the kids play are the ones that come to mind) don't render properly on the NC (running CM9). Otherwise, there are a few that won't do landscape (some of the ESPN and some cookbook apps), but I've had good luck otherwise.

Huh - Monopoly runs fine on my emmc install of the latest 2/2 nightly - and it did on the others as well...

I was playing with X-Plane on CM7 with great success. Can't wait to see if it works on the 2/2 nightly.

I agree with the OP. As I am currently going back and forth between cm7 and cm9 the apps are not responding in the same way. Perfect example is gmail. Love the interface on ICS! However, it's just not the same experience on cm7. Google's Currents is the same on both. Google Docs (the newly updated version) seems to work the same on the both as well.

Jim Barr said:
After receiving a shiny used Nook Color from Ebay, I immediately flashed the latest daily of CM9 (ICE) to EMMC and played around with it for a while. I installed several "tablet" apps from the Market, and I was very impressed by the formatting and presentation.
Unfortunately, performance was marginal at best, so I decided to flash the "official stable" version of CM7. I installed the same tablet apps as before and noticed that they were not displaying in "tablet mode". Landscape, yes, but not tablet-formatted.
For example, running Pocket Informant in landscape mode in CM9 provides a nice graphical notebook-like format, but CM7 displays the same as a simple landscape calendar, much like on my DROID Bionic.
So from this, I conclude that CM9 is a "real" tablet OS, while CM7 presents the Nook Color to the apps not as a tablet but as a high-resolution phone. Can anyone else confirm this? I absolutely LOVE the performance of CM7--it really flies and is very responsive--but long for the true "tablet" functionality of CM9.
That said, I'd love some input about how landscape mode works on the OS you have installed, and what "tablet-mode" apps actually render as a tablet.
1. What version of the OS are you running?
2. What "tablet" apps are you running?
3. Of those "tablet" apps you are running, what actually render as "tablet" apps?
Thanks!
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AFAIK Tablet mode only exists for honeycomb and newer. Any Android device on a 2.x build is seen as a handset.
That should explain what you are seeing
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Sam Adams said:
It's still really early in the game. There's only one official ICS tablet out there - the Asus Transformer Prime. People were expecting many more ICS tablet announcements at CES a few weeks ago - didn't happen. I expect it's because ICS is based off of Honeycomb which didn't exactly set the world on fire and wasn't a big draw for app developers. But now that the ICS is going to be a joint phone/tablet OS - it should spark developers to greater heights. I also think the 7" form factor is going to be more and more popular also... and apps will be developed accordingly. Reader apps like Kindle look great on the nook because they were developed for the smaller form factors... others should follow suit.
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I never used early builds of Honeycomb, but the version on my wife's transformer is great. Granted I prefer ICS on my transformer prime... but the versions (which I assume are more stable and way less buggy) of honeycomb out now seem really good

Ideapad K1 Source Code Released!

As per the title says, just so happen to check the Lenovo forums today after reading here they released TPT source yesterday and sure enough the K1 source was released this morning!
Direct Link
http://download.lenovo.com/lenovo/content/sm/IdeaPadTablet-K1.zip
Link to the Thread
http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/IdeaPad-Slate-Tablets/Android-Source-Code/td-p/610273/page/5
Hopefully our humble and dedicated developers can tear this apart and start on some custom ROMS, maybe even kernels?? (I have high hopes clearly!)
On a side note, might not be worth mentioning, but I did notice that the source for the K1 was roughly 72mb in size while the TPT source was in upwards of 202mb?? Same compression for both, food for thought...
Robert

Great news ....the building blocks have arrived
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Now hoping for some love, the stock android is pretty slow and painful.....

Will be nice once the custom kernels come.. hopefully they will..
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Thats awesome news, man!!!!!!! I didnt think lenovo would do it but wow, its a start.
Hopefully we can get some sweet roms and kernels on this bad boy (k1).

Just based on this news alone, I have ordered for one..
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rezapatel said:
Just based on this news alone, I have ordered for one..
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Bad choice, hardly any support and current android 3.2.1 on it is buggy for the two that we own, stutters a lot.

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twe69 said:
Bad choice, hardly any support and current android 3.2.1 on it is buggy for the two that we own, stutters a lot.
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I agree even with the latest update, there are still bugs in the OS Lenovo loads on this tablet but this should not be a driving force with not buying one. Every tablet I've owned (K1 and the GTablet) or had the chance to tinker with (Xoom, Prime, etc...) have had their flaws, but I also feel this is also based on the user and their personal preferences with using their tablet. Not to mention, what that user would be using the device for (as a toy, or daily driver) has a huge amount to do with it.
What's important here is that they are all running on some form of an Android OS, and if you are willing to tinker and sometimes even experiment with your tablet, you will be able to get to some middle ground (depending on the device, its release date, the community following it has, and when/if the source code is released) based on what you are trying to get out of that particular device to where there are little to no issues.
http://rootzwiki.com/topic/13407-alpha-ideapad-k1-cwm-stock-rooted-rom-120109-build/
For me, I'm currently running the Alpha 3 CWM rom from rootzwiki (link above) and besides I think 1-2 FC's (ONLY happened upon uninstalling pre-loaded apps) it's ran smooth as silk! Granted, I use my K1 as mainly a 'toy' for experimenting with Android SDK, flashing ROM's and general tinkering but still...
Now, you could just drop the $400-$600 on an iPad and not have to worry about FC's and other bugs but then you're left with not only an extremely restricted device but a restricted device that you paid way more for when compared to the K1 for example. Don't get me wrong, after getting my first tablet (GTablet) I quickly realized the quality of the products Apple releases to the consumer public, and if you are a member of that 90%+ percentile of the public that just wants a device to work and doesn't plan on doing anything else to it (and possibly not being as computer savvy as that 5-10% percentile) Apple is the way to go. However atleast from my experiences with the iPad/iPhone, if you plan on doing any modifications remotely resembling base mod's that can be done on an Android device, you're either threatening your warranty or simply SOL.
In short, when I buy an Android phone/tablet I will never expect it to run flawlessly out of the box because A. I'm personally anal/picky/OCD with my hardware and B. I bought it for that initial time investment in order to have a device strictly tuned to my lifestyle and means of use. For this reason alone, an Apple product will never satisfy me (again nothing against anyone who does use Apple, just my 0.02).
I'd rather have a device that is cheaper to buy with arguably the same hardware specs or comparable and is finicky (to say the least at times), but has the potential to run whatever I can throw at it smoothly and most importantly to personalize it on levels that Apple would never allow on their products simply for fear of creating instabilities.
For the K1 however, Lenovo releasing the source is the 1st step towards achieving your own perfectly tuned and personalized device however long it might take. Afterall, one crucial characteristic of an Android user that majority of the members on this forum share is patience! It's what separates us from the rest!
Sorry for the long post, I just felt like expressing my opinion and I was in the typing mood.

Dueces99 said:
I agree even with the latest update, there are still bugs in the OS Lenovo loads on this tablet but this should not be a driving force with not buying one. Every tablet I've owned (K1 and the GTablet) or had the chance to tinker with (Xoom, Prime, etc...) have had their flaws, but I also feel this is also based on the user and their personal preferences with using their tablet. Not to mention, what that user would be using the device for (as a toy, or daily driver) has a huge amount to do with it.
What's important here is that they are all running on some form of an Android OS, and if you are willing to tinker and sometimes even experiment with your tablet, you will be able to get to some middle ground (depending on the device, its release date, the community following it has, and when/if the source code is released) based on what you are trying to get out of that particular device to where there are little to no issues.
http://rootzwiki.com/topic/13407-alpha-ideapad-k1-cwm-stock-rooted-rom-120109-build/
For me, I'm currently running the Alpha 3 CWM rom from rootzwiki (link above) and besides I think 1-2 FC's (ONLY happened upon uninstalling pre-loaded apps) it's ran smooth as silk! Granted, I use my K1 as mainly a 'toy' for experimenting with Android SDK, flashing ROM's and general tinkering but still...
Now, you could just drop the $400-$600 on an iPad and not have to worry about FC's and other bugs but then you're left with not only an extremely restricted device but a restricted device that you paid way more for when compared to the K1 for example. Don't get me wrong, after getting my first tablet (GTablet) I quickly realized the quality of the products Apple releases to the consumer public, and if you are a member of that 90%+ percentile of the public that just wants a device to work and doesn't plan on doing anything else to it (and possibly not being as computer savvy as that 5-10% percentile) Apple is the way to go. However atleast from my experiences with the iPad/iPhone, if you plan on doing any modifications remotely resembling base mod's that can be done on an Android device, you're either threatening your warranty or simply SOL.
In short, when I buy an Android phone/tablet I will never expect it to run flawlessly out of the box because A. I'm personally anal/picky/OCD with my hardware and B. I bought it for that initial time investment in order to have a device strictly tuned to my lifestyle and means of use. For this reason alone, an Apple product will never satisfy me (again nothing against anyone who does use Apple, just my 0.02).
I'd rather have a device that is cheaper to buy with arguably the same hardware specs or comparable and is finicky (to say the least at times), but has the potential to run whatever I can throw at it smoothly and most importantly to personalize it on levels that Apple would never allow on their products simply for fear of creating instabilities.
For the K1 however, Lenovo releasing the source is the 1st step towards achieving your own perfectly tuned and personalized device however long it might take. Afterall, one crucial characteristic of an Android user that majority of the members on this forum share is patience! It's what separates us from the rest!
Sorry for the long post, I just felt like expressing my opinion and I was in the typing mood.
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great read excellent points
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Dueces99 I shall check out that rom, will see if its possible for me since I am on the latest official version....
I did have a Blackberry Playbook with the original OS in December and that was much better for web browsing etc. Just hoping that Android 4 will have less issues on the tablet since I will be keeping the Lenovo....
Oh and I have been with Android for over 2 years since Android 1.5 and about 5 android phones..... So yeh I am patient
Will definitely pay attention to the next iteration of Windows Mobile though when I upgrade at the end of the year since I like the responsiveness of Windows Mobile 7/7.5.....

this is great news.. really think of selling mine for 300 or so.... if it still worth that ( 32 gb model) .. i might hold on to it now that the source is release and ( cross fingers) someone ports CM9 to it...
we can only wish...

lenovo said they will release ics for k1
http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/IdeaPad...m-Sandwich-for-Ideapad-K1/td-p/638437/page/17
Apologies for the radio silence on this... we have been in discussion with our product teams and shared all the interest and feedback received here.
I believe the current outlook is that a plain version (sounds like it will not include the Lenovo customizations ) of ICS will be made available for download sometime in June. This is a bit later than the original May schedule and will not be pushed as an OTA (over the air update).
I appreciate everyone's patience - I know you have been waiting a while for an update on this.
Thanks
Mark

Is touchpad a good option for kids in 2020

Hi- I have a 9 year old daughter who is learning to play piano. We were recommended to give her a specific Android app by her teacher to use. The problem is, I'm having a hard time finding an appropriate device for her. I already have several phones in the house, some old kitkat era cheap-as-heck tablets from forever ago, 3 Kindle Fires, 2 Microsoft Surfaces and some laptops. It runs perfectly fine on my old phone, but the screen is too small for her to read along and practice. I can run bluestacks on a laptop and get it working on a nice big display, but its too cumbersome and not practical for her, not to mention some complications with Google's account services in paying for courses on the app. It seems to recognize that it isn't a real Android environment in the emulator. The Kindle Fires are the perfect form factor and can sort of sideload the APK, but it's the same problem as the emulator, the app relies heavily on Google's account services framework to work, and while I was able to launch the app, I can't make it connect to an account to purchase courses properly (keeps throwing errors). The old kit-kat era tablets are having trouble even loading up the app, so I think it just needs a more modern OS.
So I'm sitting here thinking, gosh, I should just buy another tablet. Which feels dumb for a specific-use like this. I'm having trouble justifying the cost of another portable computing device. My brother offered his old Touchpad, saying it is honestly collecting dust right now and runs some versions of Android. So I headed over here to see how development is going.
I see there's some Pie flavors available now (nice!), but I'm also seeing that they are somewhat works-in-progress and may not be reliable, fast, or have full support for audio (something I definitely need - the app requires mic and sound control). Kit kat seems like it was reliable on the Touchpad, but I definitely don't want to go back that far and find out it still won't work like my other tablets.
How's Oreo on this device? Is it well supported? Does it run smoothly with all hardware working?
Am I barking up the wrong tree?
Looking forward to your opinions, thanks so much!