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ICS Booted on the Droid 3 -- New Poll

As some of you who follow me on Twitter (@Hashcode0f) may already know, I booted up ICS today on the Droid 3.
Almost nothing works (including touch sensor for the screen), but it's progress on that front.
The question remains.. where should I spend my time?
And you the community get to make that choice.
New Poll at Rootz
http://rootzwiki.com/topic/10227-ics-booted-now-what/

My god you are amazing!

Hey hash did you get my PM? I can't post in the deveopment forum
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I don't know how good ICS is.. and also depends on how long it would take to get a functional build (everyday use). If it takes 3+ months I say finish CM7 first

I'd still like to see the LED used only for notifications. The sound, camera and 3g errors are no biggie but they're nagging imperfections in an otherwise killer ROM.
What sort of advances does ICS offer over the current Android?
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I say work on CM7 Hash, if Googlerola gets us an unlocked bootloader by 2012, ICS will be way easier to work on
Droid 1 Rooted (ChevyNo1 0.9MV Kernel, LGB2.6)
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verkerria said:
I say work on CM7 Hash, if Googlerola gets us an unlocked bootloader by 2012, ICS will be way easier to work on
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to me its looking like verizon isnt going to unlock our bootloaders ever so dont let that sway your choice

Phibernaut said:
What sort of advances does ICS offer over the current Android?
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That's what I'm saying. Liberty rom and ADW launcher got me with no issues look or performance wise. Unless ICS has bigger changes than the obvious theme and performance changes. Ain't no point to me in worrying about.
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Some day....the bootloader will be unlocked. That day...will be when nobody cares about this phone anymore...unfortunately
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tacosrdelicioso said:
Some day....the bootloader will be unlocked. That day...will be when nobody cares about this phone anymore...unfortunately
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the D4 is coming out, people barely adopted this one. people already don't care about this phone.

I would much rather you rebuild safestrap to make 2nd system on SD Card.

tacosrdelicioso said:
Some day....the bootloader will be unlocked. That day...will be when nobody cares about this phone anymore...unfortunately
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If it were up to Motorola only, they would probably unlock the bootloader, but Verizon has the final say.
I would love to see ICS for the Droid 3, I imagine we will see a Motorola issued update sometime next year, it would be nice if they didn't use Motoblur with ICS but I'm not getting my hopes up.

I would love to have unmolested ICS on my phone. I don't like much of Blur.

Hashcode you are our Droid3-God Thanks!
I love the task-app of Blur and that everything is black on white.

thank y for your hard working !

I know chevycam and i'm sure other developers are waiting for a working CM version to use as a base for their own roms. Plus getting the drivers and other assorted bugs worked out now on 7 should help when CM9 comes out later.

lordgodgeneral said:
I know chevycam and i'm sure other developers are waiting for a working CM version to use as a base for their own roms. Plus getting the drivers and other assorted bugs worked out now on 7 should help when CM9 comes out later.
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GB is a year old, we need to move on. I've had GB since the first Droid OG port.
Stay on the cutting edge, Hashcode! Thanks for your work!
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CM7 for sure. It will make CM9 easy. Then, we can also have MIUI and other AOSP based ROMs. It might not even be possible to get ICS working completely without a new kernel. But it is definitely possible to finish CM7. It's a waste of time to work on ICS now.

Not necessarily GoogleAndroid. Remember that he would have to make everything work since the code base for ICS is a huge change from the code base for GB. I would think that would be the case unless the CM team takes care of that.
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What do you think odds are that you will have ics up on the droid 3 before motorola releases it for the bionic(would be jokes but I bet odds are super good)? Would the bionic ics source speed up your port to droid 3 or make it more stable? I guess I could think of a list of questions as a noob but honestly, the main would be which makes most sense to you? That's the box I would check in the poll.

Liberty Themes

Why is it so hard to find themes for the liberty rom? I keep finding broken links.
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because Eclipse is where it's at
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where as liberty is an excelent rom, it is out of date. eclipse is the most current rom.

Eclipse runs slower for me and doesn't pick up 4g (I live at the border of a 4g area, get 4g with liberty, get 3g with eclipse.
I dont really see liberty as being outdated but more of a completed rom that doesn't need to be worked on. I really don't see too much more they can do to it until Motorola releases ICS. performance and battery life have been great (battery was better before they got the 4g to my house but that's to be expected)
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Eclipse runs slower for me and doesn't pick up 4g (I live at the border of a 4g area, get 4g with liberty, get 3g with eclipse.
I dont really see liberty as being outdated but more of a completed rom that doesn't need to be worked on. I really don't see too much more they can do to it until Motorola releases ICS. performance and battery life have been great (battery was better before they got the 4g to my house but that's to be expected)
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Eclipse runs better for me. Liberty was my favorite rom on the Droid X so that's what I thought I'd stick with. I started running it as soon as I got my bionic and it was an improvement over stock and I thought that with a few more releases that it would be a beast but support was dropped and it was still lacking performance. Then I tried Eclipse and I was pleasantly surprised, it runs as good as I expected Liberty to run.

But even if liberty is outdated, its a bad sign for our community that we can't find themes for it. I'm still able find themes for the Droid Eris that I used 2 years ago but can't find a theme for a newer phone.
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smokedkill said:
But even if liberty is outdated, its a bad sign for our community that we can't find themes for it. I'm still able find themes for the Droid Eris that I used 2 years ago but can't find a theme for a newer phone.
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you can find themes for your phone, just not the rom you want. the system version has nothing to do with your data connection, thats what the radio is for. there will be so performance differance between users, but for the most part people should get similar results.
http://gunnermike53.com/Bionic/Liberty/
thats the links to my 2 liberty bionic themes. some of the apps will be out dated, but the systemui and frameworks will be the same.
if you are satisfied with liberty then by all means stick with it, i am in no way minimizing team liberty's skills. they just havent done any work on the bionic since they all got thier new toy.

gunnermike said:
you can find themes for your phone, just not the rom you want. the system version has nothing to do with your data connection, thats what the radio is for. there will be so performance differance between users, but for the most part people should get similar results.
http://gunnermike53.com/Bionic/Liberty/
thats the links to my 2 liberty bionic themes. some of the apps will be out dated, but the systemui and frameworks will be the same.
if you are satisfied with liberty then by all means stick with it, i am in no way minimizing team liberty's skills. they just havent done any work on the bionic since they all got thier new toy.
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I talked to kejar and he told me that liberty was intended to be something other developers could build off of. I'm not sure.what else they could do to it because the performance I get is outstanding. Unfortunately we don't have too many rom development enthusiasts on the bionic to play with it.
I also don't believe it to be a radio issue because I get 4g on liberty and only 3g with eclipse with the same radio. If I was having problems with 4g on liberty, I would agree. But the radio works just fine with one rom and doesn't on the other. I'm on liberty gold I believe it is, the last version they released.
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smokedkill said:
I talked to kejar and he told me that liberty was intended to be something other developers could build off of. I'm not sure.what else they could do to it because the performance I get is outstanding. Unfortunately we don't have too many rom development enthusiasts on the bionic to play with it.
I also don't believe it to be a radio issue because I get 4g on liberty and only 3g with eclipse with the same radio. If I was having problems with 4g on liberty, I would agree. But the radio works just fine with one rom and doesn't on the other. I'm on liberty gold I believe it is, the last version they released.
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yes it was built for others to work with. again, that change when the new builds came out.
it doesnt matter what you believe about the data issue. the fact is that the radio is what controls your data connection. if you want to go on beliveing something that isnt true, well, thats up to you. ive told you what the facts are, its up to you what you do with it.

If it is the radio, why does it only impact the one rom but not the other? It seems that if the problem was the radio, I would have issues with both roms.
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And I know that the radio controls the data, but that still does not explain why I don't have the same data issues on both roms. The radio hasn't changed on my phone. Only thing different is the rom. If radio isn't giving me problems with one rom, why is it giving me problems with another. That's why I don't believe the issue is with the radio itself. It could have something to do with how the rom reads the radio.
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smokedkill said:
And I know that the radio controls the data, but that still does not explain why I don't have the same data issues on both roms. The radio hasn't changed on my phone. Only thing different is the rom. If radio isn't giving me problems with one rom, why is it giving me problems with another. That's why I don't believe the issue is with the radio itself. It could have something to do with how the rom reads the radio.
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im not going to continue to argue with you. the fact is your wrong. you can argue that all you want. the most likely thing is that you did something wrong and thats why you had problems. either way i dont care. run what ever rom you want. but you have your answer as to the lack of themes for liberty.

I'm not trying to argue. I'm just curious why its an issue with one rom and not another. Apparently there isn't anyone who can give me an explanation of why? Just saying its a radio issue doesn't really explain why it works fine on the other rom.
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But thanks for explaining why there aren't more themes for liberty.
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This is where moto stands on its updates

http://m.cnet.com/Article.rbml?nid=57374053&cid=null&bcid=&bid=-266
Blame the hardware. How about blame the developers on their end!
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I don't reckon most Droid 3 owners give a **** about ICS on their phones, nor do they have any clue what it even is. That is a shame though, because for Android enthusiasts like us, it is a big deal, especially when we are running ICS on it already and it makes MotoBlur look like the old LG Env interface.
Most people don't root, and Verizon isn't going to promote an OS version over a new handset. I love my D3, but it's utter nonsense that it won't get official ICS just months after Google called the version the great unifier that can and will run on every phone.
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I'm still running the alpha 6 and all seriousness if it weren't for a few things I would swear it was better than alpha. If motorola only knew what a pure ics experience was like on their hardware they could easily bury samsung and the crap nexus they released.
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davwman said:
http://m.cnet.com/Article.rbml?nid=57374053&cid=null&bcid=&bid=-266
Blame the hardware. How about blame the developers on their end!
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I compared the hardware specs between XT860 and Galaxy Nexus and the only differences I really saw was that we only have 512mb ram. Same GPU almost the same CPU, I think moto is buying time so Goog can save them
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jckeyser said:
Most people don't root, and Verizon isn't going to promote an OS version over a new handset. I love my D3, but it's utter nonsense that it won't get official ICS just months after Google called the version the great unifier that can and will run on every phone.
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Moto still has not confirmed that the D3 is not getting ICS. As the DX and D2 both received GB well after they were no longer being sold, I think it's a good possibility that it will. We'll see, though.

doogald said:
Moto still has not confirmed that the D3 is not getting ICS. As the DX and D2 both received GB well after they were no longer being sold, I think it's a good possibility that it will. We'll see, though.
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I think hashcode will get us ics long before moto does
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He already has. And Beta is right around the corner.
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How about unlocking the damn boot loaders and let us decide what is on our phone
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Well, that too.
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volcanomike said:
How about unlocking the damn boot loaders and let us decide what is on our phone
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I doubt that we will ever see bootloaders unlocked on our current phones. I suspect that it could not be done without sending the phones back to Motorola and having them replace the "one time" programmable firmware. Why else would having a Dev Razr be useless for unlocking other Razrs. I think the only way we would ever be able to put anything we wanted on these phones would be if Moto released their encrypted key so that the phone would accept it. FAT chance of that happening, but I bet that hasn't crossed anyone's mind at Moto. Maybe we could suggest that to them.
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The main bootloader unlock change.org page is over 7500 signed. Its got to mean something.
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Here's some good news though
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/02/0...n-of-motorola-to-clear-as-early-as-next-week/ Hopefully this will get something done and some good progress made.

nice!
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Good. Motorola actually has some nice hardware now but they suck with software it seems.

davwman said:
The main bootloader unlock change.org page is over 7500 signed. Its got to mean something.
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OK, can someone answer a possibly dumb question for me? I've spent the last year happily rooting my original Droid and running custom roms - finally settling on Cyanogen Mod. Now, I'm no expert but I've found it pretty easy to do by just following the instructions that are available many places online. I now have my Droid 3 and so far am just running it stock - waiting for CM9 to get to a release version.
So, from the discussion I'm assuming that rooting the Device and loading Cyanogen is somehow something less than "unlocking the boot loader". But if it is, does that matter? Whatever that actually means it doesn't seem to be preventing anyone from running custom ROM's - or am I missing something?

Reminds me of h4ck1ng t3h g1b50n

Hack the planet!
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ratman6161 said:
OK, can someone answer a possibly dumb question for me? I've spent the last year happily rooting my original Droid and running custom roms - finally settling on Cyanogen Mod. Now, I'm no expert but I've found it pretty easy to do by just following the instructions that are available many places online. I now have my Droid 3 and so far am just running it stock - waiting for CM9 to get to a release version.
So, from the discussion I'm assuming that rooting the Device and loading Cyanogen is somehow something less than "unlocking the boot loader". But if it is, does that matter? Whatever that actually means it doesn't seem to be preventing anyone from running custom ROM's - or am I missing something?
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With a locked bootloader we ca still run custom roms thanks to tricky devs but no custom kernels
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Endoroid said:
With a locked bootloader we ca still run custom roms thanks to tricky devs but no custom kernels
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But I used to run custom kernels on my Droid 1 too. I was running CM7.1 with a Chevy#1 (think that's what it was) kernel which was what let me use Set CPU to overclock. Is that not loading a "custom kernel"? Or was the boot loader unlocked on my Droid 2?
I'm not criticizing or saying anyone else is wrong - I'm just trying to understand what the differences are between what I have been doing and having a true "unlocked boot loader". What are the things that would allow me to do that can't be done now?

droid 1 is the only true unlocked bootloader moto phone with the exception of the atrix, which was accomplished with many many hours of work.
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ICS Devs

Currently have a vivid and a gs2. I'm hoping for some reassurance that the devs we have here would hopefully be able to work on a cm9 or aosp ics later when all the sources drop. I've got to decide which phone to keep and ive seen that the gs2 has more devs working on stuff than we have for the vivid. Just a question. Any feedback from developers is appreciated. Thanks!
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I'm working on porting ICS to the Velocity/Vivid/Raider myself. I will let you know how I go.
Also, I'm more than happy to let you test when I get as much bugs out as possible.
Upon trying to flash the system.img from Android 4.0, the handset got stuck at the HTC screen.

DHS2 is no more far along than we are in asop. Both are new still and it will take some time for either. Cm will have builds for us possibly in a month maybe sooner. Blog said something about them posting source for qsd8660 sometime in the near future I believe. That's our processor so it'd be a huge boost.
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Yes, talking with an official CM Dev on IRC he confirmed it was likely that the Amaze/Rezound/Vivid line of phones (MSM8660) would receive official CM support. At the moment the 8660 is next in the list, right now CM is working on other devices, specificially the galaxy line.

CM9 is coming, it's just a work-in-progress. Check the thread in the Development subforum to see my current progress. Updates will be posted there as they happen.

Yeah, I wouldn't mind testing out ICS when someone gets it up and running on the vivid.
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the latest ics release for s-off only devices requires hwboot 1.85
it shouldn't be that much longer for rogers to release ics for the raider....

Yeah, or Telstra does for the Velocity.
Telstra are really slack with their schedule as it is almost mid-March and not what we would consider "Early March"
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Leigh Kennedy said:
Yeah, or Telstra does for the Velocity.
Telstra are really slack with their schedule as it is almost mid-March and not what we would consider "Early March"
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you can call Telstra for their confirmation.

Which will we get: JB or $100?

http://androinica.com/2012/09/motor...ers/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews
The most interesting part of this for me was the upgrade promise... "If your device cannot be updated because it degrades the user's experience, Motorola will give you $100 to purchase one of their newer devices"...
Which do you think we'll get?
I chose the red pill... Now I'm in the mAtrix and I know Kung Fu... in HD!
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This phone will get JB.
It's up to AT&T, for me at least, to release it promptly.
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Update soak sent out today, not jb but everything is much smoother...not much lag if any anymore.
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Haven't gotten my update yet... dang.
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Any way to get this update on the unlocked Atrix HD? When I try to initiate update it prompts me to create Motorola account and then just hand when "trying to connect to server". I am using this phone on T-mobile.

dumon said:
Any way to get this update on the unlocked Atrix HD? When I try to initiate update it prompts me to create Motorola account and then just hand when "trying to connect to server". I am using this phone on T-mobile.
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See: ATRIX HD kernel changer in original Android development section... it's for AT&T phones, so no promises it won't screw something up, although it shouldn't.
EDIT: After a second look, it looks like it will only update the kernel, but not the system. :/
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Jellybean. Not $100.

davezaff said:
Update soak sent out today, not jb but everything is much smoother...not much lag if any anymore.
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Nice! Hopefully the soak will go out to everyone else in a few days as it did back when the Atrix 2 got its own bug fix update within 3 days of the soak test having started.

No real issues were reported so I'm sure itll roll our soon enough.
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davezaff said:
Update soak sent out today, not jb but everything is much smoother...not much lag if any anymore.
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Whats a soak?
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Markyzz said:
Whats a soak?
Sent from my phone.
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Soak tests are kind of a test phase for updates that may (or may not, depending on bug reports) be sent out OTA for everyone else. A few (hundred) people sign up to get the pre-release, and report bugs if any. If very few, or no bugs are reported, the software update is pushed to all users of the device.
My tab's Flyer than yours (unless this is posted in a Flyer thread... Then it's just as Flyer...)
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Soak tests are pre release tests of future official software updates.
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Soak tests often end up being the final release that goes out over the air, so I like to think of them as release candidate testing.

The current update soak is limited to specific IMEI numbers for people who signed up and were selected to test and provide feedback to Motorola.

Is it still possible to sign up to be a tester? I somehow got into the samsung dev channel when I was researching phones but that doesn't do me any good now...
Also I would bet we see Jellybean before most other phones, but as it's focused more twards tablets it might be a while. Still nice to see updates coming via the soaks though so maybe they are more on the ball than most so maybe this year. But then again AT&T has to have their hand in it too...

I'm sure well get JB. Problem is I'm sure we wouldn't see it for at least a year or so....

I'm for one hoping you guys get jellybean but wouldn't hold your breath with anything Motorola says after what they did to us og Atrix users. Just wrong.

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I'm for one hoping you guys get jellybean but wouldn't hold your breath with anything Motorola says after what they did to us og Atrix users. Just wrong.
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From what I am hearing, the OG Atrix has issues with the specific NVidia chipset. NVidia is not providing ICS compatible drivers. (hence when there are issues with ICS/JB even with the Cyanogenmod build for OG Atrix)

mandrsn1 said:
From what I am hearing, the OG Atrix has issues with the specific NVidia chipset. NVidia is not providing ICS compatible drivers. (hence when there are issues with ICS/JB even with the Cyanogenmod build for OG Atrix)
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I'd find that suspect as the Motorola Xoom uses the same Tegra2 chipset as the original Atrix.
Sorry to get off topic.

turboman93 said:
I'd find that suspect as the Motorola Xoom uses the same Tegra2 chipset as the original Atrix.
Sorry to get off topic.
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That actually isn't true. The Atrix used the AP20H variant while the Xoom used T20. Different types of Tegra 2.