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Is anyone going to develop custom ROMs for this phone?

If I'm not mistaken, the Bionic has an encrypted bootloader. Will there actually be a development community behind this phone?

According to a developer on the mikmik forums the bionics boot loader is unlocked and the system dump has been rooted.
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Beamer9408 said:
According to a developer on the mikmik forums the bionics boot loader is unlocked and the system dump has been rooted.
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P3Droid (who is the man) has the deodexed dumps already.
http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/...id-bionic-system-dumps-partial.html#post99195
I'm sort of waiting to see if the Droid Prime is vanilla or not. Maybe by then the Bionic will be cheaper and I can compare the two. I imagine the CM team will develop for this beast.

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According to a developer on the mikmik forums the bionics boot loader is unlocked and the system dump has been rooted.
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The bootloader is not unlocked. It is unlockable if the carriers allow it. And that is the question "if"

esocid said:
P3Droid (who is the man) has the deodexed dumps already.
http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/...id-bionic-system-dumps-partial.html#post99195
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Thanks for posting that.
Just so nobody panics my ROM & kernels listing will be up by Saturday. Hopefully by then we'll at least have a few ROMs out.

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According to a developer on the mikmik forums the bionics boot loader is unlocked and the system dump has been rooted.
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Okay I am confused, I just picked up the Bionic today and i'm coming from an iphone so bear with me on my droid stupidity. you said the bionics boot loader is unlocked which is a good thing to load custom roms and then....
trentreed said:
The bootloader is not unlocked. It is unlockable if the carriers allow it. And that is the question "if"
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you say its locked & unlockable if the carrier allows it, but the HTC Thunderbolt's boot loader is unlocked, so shouldn't this one be as well? All I know is that there is a crap ton of software that I do not want and would like to remove in the future.
Again I apologize for my question but having 2 people saying 2 different things to someone new like me just confuses me.
Should I return it and get the tbolt so i can get some cm7 roms, or will this have them in the future and should i wait it out?

sLpFhaWK said:
Okay I am confused, I just picked up the Bionic today and i'm coming from an iphone so bear with me on my droid stupidity. you said the bionics boot loader is unlocked which is a good thing to load custom roms and then....
you say its locked & unlockable if the carrier allows it, but the HTC Thunderbolt's boot loader is unlocked, so shouldn't this one be as well? All I know is that there is a crap ton of software that I do not want and would like to remove in the future.
Again I apologize for my question but having 2 people saying 2 different things to someone new like me just confuses me.
Should I return it and get the tbolt so i can get some cm7 roms, or will this have them in the future and should i wait it out?
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Moto's had a nasty habit of locking bootloaders, which prevents custom kernels from running.
HTC did for awhile, but got some sense and knocked it off. Samsung doesn't lock theirs.
Even if Verizon does permit unlocked bootloaders, Moto still has to implement it. And if they don't, well, we're out of luck until they either change their policy or someone figures out how to get around it.

HTC has publicly stated they are only unlocking bootloaders of phones starting with the Sensation and the EVO 3D and forward; this doesn't include the Thunderbolt.

Berzerker7 said:
HTC has publicly stated they are only unlocking bootloaders of phones starting with the Sensation and the EVO 3D and forward; this doesn't include the Thunderbolt.
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yet we can unlock the tbolt easily.

I sure hope so! Can't wait and hope it develops as the Inc forum has

the unlocked bootloader is a deciding factor in me getting this phone, I have hopes that a developer can get it. God knows how long it'll take if they do actually approve the unlock for it to go through, could be 6-8 months.

The Bootloader doesn't need to be unlocked for custom Roms.
I have one waiting in the wings for Bootstrap to be up.
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DroidTh3ory said:
The Bootloader doesn't need to be unlocked for custom Roms.
I have one waiting in the wings for Bootstrap to be up.
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Yeah I know but you won't be able to flash kernels or radio's. That really is a big help to improve performance and battery consumption.
If I can find one cheap enough I might jump in before then

POQbum said:
Yeah I know but you won't be able to flash kernels or radio's. That really is a big help to improve performance and battery consumption.
If I can find one cheap enough I might jump in before then
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Agree completely.. at least overclocking should be possible. Even with the debloat and the few tweaks I have made now, the phone doesn't hiccup. The damn thing is a powerhouse, when we can start digging inti MEM and RAM settings I can see some great potential. At least until the bootloader gets unlocked.
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People are working on getting 2nd init working on the Bionic. Can't give too many details yet...but it could be coming...

Berzerker7 said:
People are working on getting 2nd init working on the Bionic. Can't give too many details yet...but it could be coming...
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!!!!
yeah! paypal ready and waiting

Keep me in the loop on that please
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How the hell do I get rid of the bloat in this phone? I just rooted
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Tommymac1039 said:
How the hell do I get rid of the bloat in this phone? I just rooted
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Just use titanium to freeze or remove.
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Tommymac1039 said:
How the hell do I get rid of the bloat in this phone? I just rooted
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well you can wait for theorys rom to come out... or if you can't wait use titanium backup.. and freeze the apps.
that will get them out of your system ... and best if yo want to go back just unfreeze them.

Liberty Themes

Why is it so hard to find themes for the liberty rom? I keep finding broken links.
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because Eclipse is where it's at
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where as liberty is an excelent rom, it is out of date. eclipse is the most current rom.

Eclipse runs slower for me and doesn't pick up 4g (I live at the border of a 4g area, get 4g with liberty, get 3g with eclipse.
I dont really see liberty as being outdated but more of a completed rom that doesn't need to be worked on. I really don't see too much more they can do to it until Motorola releases ICS. performance and battery life have been great (battery was better before they got the 4g to my house but that's to be expected)
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Eclipse runs slower for me and doesn't pick up 4g (I live at the border of a 4g area, get 4g with liberty, get 3g with eclipse.
I dont really see liberty as being outdated but more of a completed rom that doesn't need to be worked on. I really don't see too much more they can do to it until Motorola releases ICS. performance and battery life have been great (battery was better before they got the 4g to my house but that's to be expected)
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Eclipse runs better for me. Liberty was my favorite rom on the Droid X so that's what I thought I'd stick with. I started running it as soon as I got my bionic and it was an improvement over stock and I thought that with a few more releases that it would be a beast but support was dropped and it was still lacking performance. Then I tried Eclipse and I was pleasantly surprised, it runs as good as I expected Liberty to run.

But even if liberty is outdated, its a bad sign for our community that we can't find themes for it. I'm still able find themes for the Droid Eris that I used 2 years ago but can't find a theme for a newer phone.
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smokedkill said:
But even if liberty is outdated, its a bad sign for our community that we can't find themes for it. I'm still able find themes for the Droid Eris that I used 2 years ago but can't find a theme for a newer phone.
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you can find themes for your phone, just not the rom you want. the system version has nothing to do with your data connection, thats what the radio is for. there will be so performance differance between users, but for the most part people should get similar results.
http://gunnermike53.com/Bionic/Liberty/
thats the links to my 2 liberty bionic themes. some of the apps will be out dated, but the systemui and frameworks will be the same.
if you are satisfied with liberty then by all means stick with it, i am in no way minimizing team liberty's skills. they just havent done any work on the bionic since they all got thier new toy.

gunnermike said:
you can find themes for your phone, just not the rom you want. the system version has nothing to do with your data connection, thats what the radio is for. there will be so performance differance between users, but for the most part people should get similar results.
http://gunnermike53.com/Bionic/Liberty/
thats the links to my 2 liberty bionic themes. some of the apps will be out dated, but the systemui and frameworks will be the same.
if you are satisfied with liberty then by all means stick with it, i am in no way minimizing team liberty's skills. they just havent done any work on the bionic since they all got thier new toy.
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I talked to kejar and he told me that liberty was intended to be something other developers could build off of. I'm not sure.what else they could do to it because the performance I get is outstanding. Unfortunately we don't have too many rom development enthusiasts on the bionic to play with it.
I also don't believe it to be a radio issue because I get 4g on liberty and only 3g with eclipse with the same radio. If I was having problems with 4g on liberty, I would agree. But the radio works just fine with one rom and doesn't on the other. I'm on liberty gold I believe it is, the last version they released.
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I talked to kejar and he told me that liberty was intended to be something other developers could build off of. I'm not sure.what else they could do to it because the performance I get is outstanding. Unfortunately we don't have too many rom development enthusiasts on the bionic to play with it.
I also don't believe it to be a radio issue because I get 4g on liberty and only 3g with eclipse with the same radio. If I was having problems with 4g on liberty, I would agree. But the radio works just fine with one rom and doesn't on the other. I'm on liberty gold I believe it is, the last version they released.
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yes it was built for others to work with. again, that change when the new builds came out.
it doesnt matter what you believe about the data issue. the fact is that the radio is what controls your data connection. if you want to go on beliveing something that isnt true, well, thats up to you. ive told you what the facts are, its up to you what you do with it.

If it is the radio, why does it only impact the one rom but not the other? It seems that if the problem was the radio, I would have issues with both roms.
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And I know that the radio controls the data, but that still does not explain why I don't have the same data issues on both roms. The radio hasn't changed on my phone. Only thing different is the rom. If radio isn't giving me problems with one rom, why is it giving me problems with another. That's why I don't believe the issue is with the radio itself. It could have something to do with how the rom reads the radio.
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And I know that the radio controls the data, but that still does not explain why I don't have the same data issues on both roms. The radio hasn't changed on my phone. Only thing different is the rom. If radio isn't giving me problems with one rom, why is it giving me problems with another. That's why I don't believe the issue is with the radio itself. It could have something to do with how the rom reads the radio.
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im not going to continue to argue with you. the fact is your wrong. you can argue that all you want. the most likely thing is that you did something wrong and thats why you had problems. either way i dont care. run what ever rom you want. but you have your answer as to the lack of themes for liberty.

I'm not trying to argue. I'm just curious why its an issue with one rom and not another. Apparently there isn't anyone who can give me an explanation of why? Just saying its a radio issue doesn't really explain why it works fine on the other rom.
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But thanks for explaining why there aren't more themes for liberty.
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[Q] Will we ever see Miui on the Bionic?

Is this even a possibility? Is there any interest in this? What needs to happen to get a functional daily driver Miui rom on the Bionic?
Does someone just need to port it, or is there some kind of issue because of the encrypted bootloader that makes it an impossibility?
My Google searches do not turn up many answers. How can we make this happen. I love miui, mainly the theme changing aspects.

I believe it is the same thing as cm7/9 we are waiting not sure on his name to fix the 3g 4g stuff and the til I believe its called its not going to be too difficult as far as development are concerned not that miui is going open source so 4g will soon be possible so i think it is just a aosp based issue that needs to be resolved anyone correct me if I am off my rocker
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Yea you are probably right. They need to get the 4g data issue fixed on aosp first. I think the Bionic has some great potential for development, hopefully the devs figure it out soon.
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Fyi after I posted this I searched to see if I was right and I Google's bionic miui and there was a thread on miui.us about this exact issue Google is your best friend aside from me ha ga
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Yes I see something now. Here is the link I found http://forums.miui.us/showthread.php?5433-Motorola-Droid-Bionic-ROM-REQUEST!
Yes, it looks 4g in CM for Bionic needs to be established first. Time for me to look into more developer friendly phones I guess, lol.

I give it 3 months and the development will skyrocket especially since muiu is now open source with source code available
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I think development will become more active once Motorola releases ICS for the bionic. I think some developers are waiting until it's released to see what they have to work with. Right now its just a waiting game.
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Exactly about three months plus we should have a working ics rom with in a month is my guuess at least what motor told me
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I hope you guys are right. I have seen lulls in development before, but nothing quite like what the Bionic is experiencing. I didn't know Miui was open source, that's good news at least.

Ya saw it on androidcenyral the other day
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This is where moto stands on its updates

http://m.cnet.com/Article.rbml?nid=57374053&cid=null&bcid=&bid=-266
Blame the hardware. How about blame the developers on their end!
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I don't reckon most Droid 3 owners give a **** about ICS on their phones, nor do they have any clue what it even is. That is a shame though, because for Android enthusiasts like us, it is a big deal, especially when we are running ICS on it already and it makes MotoBlur look like the old LG Env interface.
Most people don't root, and Verizon isn't going to promote an OS version over a new handset. I love my D3, but it's utter nonsense that it won't get official ICS just months after Google called the version the great unifier that can and will run on every phone.
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I'm still running the alpha 6 and all seriousness if it weren't for a few things I would swear it was better than alpha. If motorola only knew what a pure ics experience was like on their hardware they could easily bury samsung and the crap nexus they released.
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davwman said:
http://m.cnet.com/Article.rbml?nid=57374053&cid=null&bcid=&bid=-266
Blame the hardware. How about blame the developers on their end!
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I compared the hardware specs between XT860 and Galaxy Nexus and the only differences I really saw was that we only have 512mb ram. Same GPU almost the same CPU, I think moto is buying time so Goog can save them
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jckeyser said:
Most people don't root, and Verizon isn't going to promote an OS version over a new handset. I love my D3, but it's utter nonsense that it won't get official ICS just months after Google called the version the great unifier that can and will run on every phone.
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Moto still has not confirmed that the D3 is not getting ICS. As the DX and D2 both received GB well after they were no longer being sold, I think it's a good possibility that it will. We'll see, though.

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Moto still has not confirmed that the D3 is not getting ICS. As the DX and D2 both received GB well after they were no longer being sold, I think it's a good possibility that it will. We'll see, though.
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I think hashcode will get us ics long before moto does
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He already has. And Beta is right around the corner.
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How about unlocking the damn boot loaders and let us decide what is on our phone
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Well, that too.
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How about unlocking the damn boot loaders and let us decide what is on our phone
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I doubt that we will ever see bootloaders unlocked on our current phones. I suspect that it could not be done without sending the phones back to Motorola and having them replace the "one time" programmable firmware. Why else would having a Dev Razr be useless for unlocking other Razrs. I think the only way we would ever be able to put anything we wanted on these phones would be if Moto released their encrypted key so that the phone would accept it. FAT chance of that happening, but I bet that hasn't crossed anyone's mind at Moto. Maybe we could suggest that to them.
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The main bootloader unlock change.org page is over 7500 signed. Its got to mean something.
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Here's some good news though
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/02/0...n-of-motorola-to-clear-as-early-as-next-week/ Hopefully this will get something done and some good progress made.

nice!
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Good. Motorola actually has some nice hardware now but they suck with software it seems.

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The main bootloader unlock change.org page is over 7500 signed. Its got to mean something.
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OK, can someone answer a possibly dumb question for me? I've spent the last year happily rooting my original Droid and running custom roms - finally settling on Cyanogen Mod. Now, I'm no expert but I've found it pretty easy to do by just following the instructions that are available many places online. I now have my Droid 3 and so far am just running it stock - waiting for CM9 to get to a release version.
So, from the discussion I'm assuming that rooting the Device and loading Cyanogen is somehow something less than "unlocking the boot loader". But if it is, does that matter? Whatever that actually means it doesn't seem to be preventing anyone from running custom ROM's - or am I missing something?

Reminds me of h4ck1ng t3h g1b50n

Hack the planet!
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OK, can someone answer a possibly dumb question for me? I've spent the last year happily rooting my original Droid and running custom roms - finally settling on Cyanogen Mod. Now, I'm no expert but I've found it pretty easy to do by just following the instructions that are available many places online. I now have my Droid 3 and so far am just running it stock - waiting for CM9 to get to a release version.
So, from the discussion I'm assuming that rooting the Device and loading Cyanogen is somehow something less than "unlocking the boot loader". But if it is, does that matter? Whatever that actually means it doesn't seem to be preventing anyone from running custom ROM's - or am I missing something?
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With a locked bootloader we ca still run custom roms thanks to tricky devs but no custom kernels
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With a locked bootloader we ca still run custom roms thanks to tricky devs but no custom kernels
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But I used to run custom kernels on my Droid 1 too. I was running CM7.1 with a Chevy#1 (think that's what it was) kernel which was what let me use Set CPU to overclock. Is that not loading a "custom kernel"? Or was the boot loader unlocked on my Droid 2?
I'm not criticizing or saying anyone else is wrong - I'm just trying to understand what the differences are between what I have been doing and having a true "unlocked boot loader". What are the things that would allow me to do that can't be done now?

droid 1 is the only true unlocked bootloader moto phone with the exception of the atrix, which was accomplished with many many hours of work.
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ICS

Official ICS where are you????? Still Waiting u come to my lovely bionic, oooh bionic...where's your official ICS?
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My opinion is that official talk about giving more consideration to Bionic owners is mostly talk. Sure ICS will roll out someday, but what about JB?

One step at a time.

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My opinion is that official talk about giving more consideration to Bionic owners is mostly talk. Sure ICS will roll out someday, but what about JB?
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Dont talk about JB first i think, ICS still not roll out till this time. Its my opinion
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We're in line after the atrix 2. That started ota today. So now anywhere from a week to three weeks and we'll get our ota. JB is being worked on already and it will be an update to the ota ics build.
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We're in line after the atrix 2. That started ota today. So now anywhere from a week to three weeks and we'll get our ota. JB is being worked on already and it will be an update to the ota ics build.
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If after that, bionic still doesnt get an ota ics update, bionic users will sell this fantastic phone because the developers of motorola cant make the best ics for its own phone IMHO
#JB is Still like a dream
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I have to disagree. Moto put in a LOT of wrench time on ICS for Bionic. It's the BEST ICS build out there for any Moto phone IMO. 11 builds to get it right for us.

SamuriHL said:
I have to disagree. Moto put in a LOT of wrench time on ICS for Bionic. It's the BEST ICS build out there for any Moto phone IMO. 11 builds to get it right for us.
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.247 is on QA1, QA2 and Staging SDC200 and SDC100... I think it's coming along
I'm willing to bet it is the final version.

Once it hits qa4 it's time to celebrate.

I wouldn't get your guy's hopes up too high, given what has happened with the photon/Atrix.
But with any luck since you guys are on the big red, moto will throw at least someone a bone

That situation was just stupid. Moto should perhaps be a little more careful. That's all I'm gonna say about that. Doesn't affect the Bionic in any way.

Former Bionic owner here--I just received an email from Motorola with a soak test invite for the Bionic.
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Confirmed the soak test has started. About damn time.

when they say you have to be stock and not rooted, will that really fail the update? if the ICS build is later than the current ICS build you're running (.232) do I really have to go back to GB or should it update? I'm also planning on pulling the /cache incase it doesn't work 1st time

Updates are designed to *UPDATE* one build and one build only. If you are not on 905, your phone won't even see it on the update server, let alone install it. Rooted doesn't matter.

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Updates are designed to *UPDATE* one build and one build only. If you are not on 905, your phone won't even see it on the update server, let alone install it. Rooted doesn't matter.
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Thanks, guess I'll have to revert.

when ics is officially released, i hope we can get the fastboot files (fxz)

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when ics is officially released, i hope we can get the fastboot files (fxz)
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I'm on top of that. Don't worry about it.

Oooh it will be released soon, right?
This october, or this week?:thumbup:
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Bock Abrams said:
I wouldn't get your guy's hopes up too high, given what has happened with the photon/Atrix.
But with any luck since you guys are on the big red, moto will throw at least someone a bone
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Our hopes are justified. Why would Moto have this many ICS builds cooking up just to scrap it all?
The Photon never even got an ICS build. Motorola said to abandon hope on it. It didn't even get a leak. However, someone found a leak for the Atrix. Who knows if that'll ever see the light of day? What's even more puzzling is that the Atrix/Photon are both Tegra2 devices.
The best and brightest Android devs have picked apart these Bionic ICS leaks and, not only are these leaks legit but they indicate a Jellybean release is being worked on too. The Bionic will get what it deserves, for once.