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Please advise with eBay transaction

Chaps some advice please
Sold my xbox 360 for around £320 on ebay
Guy paid via paypal echeque
Took around 10 days to clear and its gone through today.
I emailed the guy and asked why he paid via echeque and not normal instant pay via paypal. In his response he was a little confused as to why it was echeque and came back to me later and found that his card had expired and hence the echeque. He asked me to refund the echeque, and he would repay via proper paypal with his new card details. I told him to leave it as paypal where processing it, he agreed.
Now the problem is that although the cash has cleared, he isnt verified and that means that I am a seller am not protected. What do you suggest? Should I ship the item? I sold something of similar value on ebay previously, and they reversed the transaction because the account had be hijacked. I don’t trust paypal anymore….

Wait with shipping before you are 100% sure you got the money!!

just fyi i bought a prophet battery on ebay, it arrived today. I paid as usual using paypal and only found out after a week that I had paid by e-cheque.
It took about a month arrive so probably the seller decided to wait a bit as well.
I didn't even know what an e-cheque was!

triplejay said:
just fyi i bought a prophet battery on ebay, it arrived today. I paid as usual using paypal and only found out after a week that I had paid by e-cheque.
It took about a month arrive so probably the seller decided to wait a bit as well.
I didn't even know what an e-cheque was!
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what is an echeque and how does it get paid? the chap i spoke to said that it was sent as an echeque because his credit card had expired and that was the reason.
really appriciate the help guys!

Beware of Paypal
I was involved in a law suit with them 2 years ago. I lost over $1300.00 over 2 years in 2 transactions which there were disputes from credit card co's. and it was 6 months or more after the transactions took place. Paypal would not give me any info on the dispute they just took the money out of my account. I asked for the name of the person and the card number or the contact info with the credit card co. and Paypal said they would dispute it for me and let me know within 90 days and that they couldn't give me info because of privacy issues and to just trust them . Well I trusted them I lost $1300.00 $950 the first time and then $350 this was 5 years ago 3 years ago I was contacted by a law firm that invited me to join a class action suit. Paypal lost the case 9.5 million, my end $24.73 but you know I am happy Paypal had to pay since I only got 25 bucks you can imagine how many people were included in that judgment .We know the Law firm got half but 4.5 million and divided that into payments the size of mine there must have been thousands of people that had the same problem i did. They claim not to be Bank but charge fees as a bank. Because they are not a Bank they are not regulated by the federal government and that make it easy for them to do what they can get away with, whereas a Bank all the T's must be crossed and numbers have to add up. I do not leave money in Paypal I no longer link them with a Real Bank. I use a credit card that has a $300.00 limit to link to Paypal if you like to ebay you almost have to use Paypal unless the Seller has a store and they route u to their credit card service and then your taken a chance.

E-checks
One more thing if Paypal paid with a e-check from your account that means you linked a Checking Account to Paypal when you signed up to paypal and any time you buy something and you do not have enough money in your paypal account to pay for the item. Then Paypal will automatically setup an e-check payment from your bank account. This is dangerous because if someone gets your Id info even though you have no money in your paypal account they can still get access to your linked checking account by making a payment to someone via Paypal, Paypal will simply turn it into a e-check and start the process of withdrawing the funds from you bank account. Be careful !

many thanks for the info guys.
i'll wait until the funds clear into my bank account and then ship it out
cheers

Am i being scammed??

Can anyone please tell me if emails from paypal come from the email address
[email protected]
as i think someone is trying to scam me

I'd say probably. I did a WHOIS on Paypal.com and compared the results to intr-paypal.com, and paypal.com had lots of information available while intr-paypal.com had little to no information, which a scammer would do and a legitimate business wouldn't. I also visited intr-paypal.com, and it's a blank site made with Google Sites. I highly recommend forwarding the emails to [email protected], and reporting the fake site, as detailed here.

Someone must know i'll tell you all the story anyway, i sold somthing to someone overseas for 350gbp, they paid via paypal, paypal sent me an email and said that they have receive the money and are holding on to it until i sent them proof of postage, i did this but am still yet to receive the money ........ earler 2day that person contacted me and wanted to buy somthing else i had for sale on ebay, before i could tell him i already sold it he paid again by the same way, i contacted paypal on the address they were emailing me from as above, they advised me that they could not refund the money as a security precaution to prevent scamming, and me and the buyer need to arrange a method of refund, the buyer wanted me to pay by western union, so i told paypal i would but only if the money was cleared in my paypal account first, paypal replied saying that they will not credit my account until i have shown them proof of the refund,
Is this for real or am i being scammed?
here is the last email paypal sent me
Thanks for the swift response, We regret to inform you that the funds can't be credited to your account until we see a prove of refund, we got an email from the buyer saying that the agreed method is Western Union Money Transfer, so we want you to go ahead and make the refund of £550.00 GBP through western union and then get back to us with the transfer details as requested below .
Sender's Name :
Sender's Address :
MTCN Number (Money Transfer Control Number) :
Security Question & Answer :
Once you make the refund get back to us with the above information and we would release the funds to your account immediately, Also you are advised not to send the Western Union details to the buyer until you're being told to do so, We won't disclose the Western Union information to the buyer until the funds has been successfully transferred to your account, You may ask the buyer's for his address for the Western Union Transfer.
We are very sorry for the inconvenience, We are trying to make sure both seller and buyer are safe from any fraudulent activity,

DaveTheTytnIIGuy said:
I'd say probably. I did a WHOIS on Paypal.com and compared the results to intr-paypal.com, and paypal.com had lots of information available while intr-paypal.com had little to no information, which a scammer would do and a legitimate business wouldn't. I also visited intr-paypal.com, and it's a blank site made with Google Sites. I highly recommend forwarding the emails to [email protected], and reporting the fake site, as detailed here.
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i already have sent a copy to [email protected], i have sent the guy a htc hero i was selling to already thinking the money was with paypal ..... take it ive lost it

Thanks for the swift response, We regret to inform you that the funds can't be credited to your account until we see a prove of refund, we got an email from the buyer saying that the agreed method is Western Union Money Transfer, so we want you to go ahead and make the refund of £550.00 GBP through western union and then get back to us with the transfer details as requested below .
Sender's Name :
Sender's Address :
MTCN Number (Money Transfer Control Number) :
Security Question & Answer :
Once you make the refund get back to us with the above information and we would release the funds to your account immediately, Also you are advised not to send the Western Union details to the buyer until you're being told to do so, We won't disclose the Western Union information to the buyer until the funds has been successfully transferred to your account, You may ask the buyer's for his address for the Western Union Transfer.
We are very sorry for the inconvenience, We are trying to make sure both seller and buyer are safe from any fraudulent activity,
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Scam Scam Scam - this is a Scam. (Paypal did NOT send that)
That is so riddled with poor grammar, odd phrases and language you do not expect from a professional organisation. I've seen better grammar from my friends in The Bank of Burkino Fasso and at least he was offering me $90,000,000,000.
That is NOT from Paypal. Speak to Paypal using official links and numbers.
I'd also look at the email "headers" and look for the LAST received from IP number. Then do a Whois search to see it's source. (Nigeria is statistically likely)
Mike

Mike you got in in one mate . . . Nigera lol Im so dumb sumtimes i make myself laff lol

I guess some people need money... And yeah... PayPal wouldn't have such bad grammar.

best place for that email
forward to [email protected]
hope this helps

Another reason why PayPal SUCKS

So here is my absolute HORROR STORY of dealing with PayPal.
I sold a phone on eBay (an Evo with a clean ESN and rooted w/ICS) and the seller emails me a few days later saying the phone can't be activated and they were on the phone with sprint for 3 hours and the "other Evo they bought was able to be activated (wtf? why would they buy two for the same account??)" so I asked them for the ESN number to double check... they give me the serial number. REALLY? You've been on the phone with Sprint for "3 hours" but don't know the damn ESN number??? The person is obviously a LIAR. I eventually get them to give me the ESN (which sprint says they can activate and say they haven't had anyone trying to activate the ESN... proving they are a liar). I ask why they didn't just go to the store since I looked up their address and they had one close by. They ignore the question and say they are going to file a report against me. I say go ahead, thinking paypal will listen to my evidence.... NOPE!!!!!
PayPal completely IGNORES the evidence and after freaking WEEKS they give her the money back!!! I have NO PHONE, NO TRACKING NUMBER, and NO MONEY!!!
WTF!!!
Oh and get this.. "the phone can't be activated because it has ICS...". I literally screamed in anger when I read this. I've activated phones rooted with ICS a million times, and it was in the damn description that it had ICS.
I'm calling PayPal tomorrow and telling them to give me the money, or give me a tracking number, or I'm filing a damn police report.

I used to take up for Paypal when others would report similar issues; but, when it happened to me, I finally understood just how merciless Paypal can be.
I had an old iTunes account floating out there that I forgot to cancel, and also forgot to pull my info from the account. It was totally my fault for leaving the stuff out there like that, I don't deny it, but what happened next forever changed my view of Paypal.
Somehow, someone got ahold of this account, and purchased two iTunes gift cards in the amount of $50 each. As soon as these hit my bank, I contacted Paypal, and explained that I had no idea what was going on. Their reply was that they were freezing my account, and that I needed to contact Apple and try and find out what was going on.
While I was going 'round and 'round with Apple, three more charges went through on my "frozen" account with Paypal. Meanwhile, Paypal support swore up and down that there was no way that someone could use a frozen account.
Finally, Apple found the old account, closed it, and refunded all of the purchases. Paypal never really lifted a finger to help me.

derekwilkinson said:
So here is my absolute HORROR STORY of dealing with PayPal.
I sold a phone on eBay (an Evo with a clean ESN and rooted w/ICS) and the seller emails me a few days later saying the phone can't be activated and they were on the phone with sprint for 3 hours and the "other Evo they bought was able to be activated (wtf? why would they buy two for the same account??)" so I asked them for the ESN number to double check... they give me the serial number. REALLY? You've been on the phone with Sprint for "3 hours" but don't know the damn ESN number??? The person is obviously a LIAR. I eventually get them to give me the ESN (which sprint says they can activate and say they haven't had anyone trying to activate the ESN... proving they are a liar). I ask why they didn't just go to the store since I looked up their address and they had one close by. They ignore the question and say they are going to file a report against me. I say go ahead, thinking paypal will listen to my evidence.... NOPE!!!!!
PayPal completely IGNORES the evidence and after freaking WEEKS they give her the money back!!! I have NO PHONE, NO TRACKING NUMBER, and NO MONEY!!!
WTF!!!
Oh and get this.. "the phone can't be activated because it has ICS...". I literally screamed in anger when I read this. I've activated phones rooted with ICS a million times, and it was in the damn description that it had ICS.
I'm calling PayPal tomorrow and telling them to give me the money, or give me a tracking number, or I'm filing a damn police report.
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I think you are not the only one. This is the leaking of the rule and the buyers do like to take advantages on it...

still the paypal the safest website for internet commerical

i90 said:
still the paypal the safest website for internet commerical
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yeah!

Paypal is a good example of a company that has become too big to care. I've had dozens of problems with them, from bugs in their website, to bs big company politics. Unfortunately, in the end, where else are you gonna go?

Pay pal was a great site. You could look into Amazon Payments.

That sucks man PayPal should at least guarantee that the item gets returned to seller then refund the money. Best of luck
Sent From Galaxy Bigger Than Yours.

I had a paypal account suspended years ago when my sister in law, with the same name as me, screwed someone over on ebay. Same name, same TOWN, so they told me they considered it the same person.
I literally had to convince her to get a scan of her ID and mine to sort it, and it took weeks after the info was sent in.
Since then, I still use it, but I attach it to an account that I ONLY use for paypal and I never leave money in there for longer than I need to for a purchase.

In my experience paypal is all about supporting customers and just pushing aside sellers, which is proven by your case, they just always assume that the seller is some dodgy no code crook when often its the other way round

Yeah, horrible situation. How they can simply refund the purchaser's money without making sure that the seller gets the original item back is beyond ridiculous. Obviously it would take some capital but this would be a great time for someone else to step in and create a secure site.
Would it be possible to implement a system that acts as escrow, holding the buyer's funds electronically until the transaction is complete and only refunding the cost if the original item is first returned to the seller in case of dissatisfaction?

The escow style idea should be the way that it is. I have had to return an item bought via paypal and I was told in order for the seller to get the money back I needed to show proof of shipping with tracking. I had no problem with this, of course. I do know that the money was not pulled from me until I provided this.
I think paypal plays on a case by case basis for some crazy reason, because the stories that you read/hear about often have no real similarities.

I'm glad my dealings with PayPal have been limited to using them as an intermediary for credit card transactions with sketchy sellers (mostly eBay). I'm not giving anyone direct access to my bank account, especially with stories like these... jeeze.

I had many of good and bad experiences with paypal. They've rolled on me and gave my money back to a buyer. Luckily, I got the sold item back.
I had my identity stolen using paypal and they had my back like no other. It overdrew the associated bank acount by 2000 dollars, and not only was it all reimbursed, but they covered my overdraft fees and gave me 200 dollars for the inconvience. I also got the bank to waive the same overdraft fees and came out another 150 dollars ahead.
The cookie crumbles both ways.
Me and paypal are good.
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Another reason:
Some weird buseniss took some money from account. So I asked paypal to but it back, they did. And then I had to do security check to see of my account was hacked. I had to sent a letter from my bank with adress etc. But I do everything only, so they say to send bill for electricity, but I dont get no bills, I live with my parents. I used paypal 2 years ago for the last time, I was a happy user, but know there are still 50 freaking euros I cant, get back
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CM7.2 by phiexz

wow such horrible stories! seems like sometimes we really feel powerless against these big companies right ?

Yeah ik bro. There were multiple times when paypal would just refund the buyer's money and I would end up getting scammed even though the phones/tablets I was selling were perfectly functional. I soon realized after this happened to me twice that paypal is just a plain scam and I stopped selling stuff on ebay.

derekwilkinson said:
So here is my absolute HORROR STORY of dealing with PayPal.
I sold a phone on eBay (an Evo with a clean ESN and rooted w/ICS) and the seller emails me a few days later saying the phone can't be activated and they were on the phone with sprint for 3 hours and the "other Evo they bought was able to be activated (wtf? why would they buy two for the same account??)" so I asked them for the ESN number to double check... they give me the serial number. REALLY? You've been on the phone with Sprint for "3 hours" but don't know the damn ESN number??? The person is obviously a LIAR. I eventually get them to give me the ESN (which sprint says they can activate and say they haven't had anyone trying to activate the ESN... proving they are a liar). I ask why they didn't just go to the store since I looked up their address and they had one close by. They ignore the question and say they are going to file a report against me. I say go ahead, thinking paypal will listen to my evidence.... NOPE!!!!!
PayPal completely IGNORES the evidence and after freaking WEEKS they give her the money back!!! I have NO PHONE, NO TRACKING NUMBER, and NO MONEY!!!
WTF!!!
Oh and get this.. "the phone can't be activated because it has ICS...". I literally screamed in anger when I read this. I've activated phones rooted with ICS a million times, and it was in the damn description that it had ICS.
I'm calling PayPal tomorrow and telling them to give me the money, or give me a tracking number, or I'm filing a damn police report.
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Another example of corruption....
Very sorry for you sir
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An eBay question

I won an auction on eBay.
I told the seller that I would pay in 3 days and he agreed.
After 2 days from the auction end, the seller says that due to some reason he doesn't want to go on with this deal and sends me a "Cancel Transaction" request.
So now I have 2 options:
1. Accept the request and CANCEL it.
2. Decline and NOT cancel the deal.
I am interested in the item so I think I should go with option 2 but then if the seller is not really interested to go on with the deal, will this option be a good idea? I am not really sure.
If I go with option 2 and pay immediately, does eBay have a rule or something which states that "now" (that payment has been made), the seller must ship the item?
Any suggestions?

Contact eBay. That's what I would do. To answer your question, I believe that if you pay, they must ship the item....but I'm no eBay expert.
Sorry I'm not more help.
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Since the deal is probably going through PayPal, there's not much risk for you, the buyer. If there are any issues it shouldn't take much effort to get paypal to refund your money, and if they refuse you can always contact your credit card company and get the charge nullified if it really comes down to it.

Paypal is a beautiful thing. But you gotta think..... whatever it is you want or were buying, there's gotta be some good reeason the seller backed out. Save yourself the headache.

Contact eBay, Bro. Ask them
I will respect to you, if you can respect to the other rest.

Will Sprint HTC One work in Nigeria?

*NOTE: This can be deleted, because I was being a moron. All I had to do was log into my PayPal account and see the funds weren't there, or even pending, and I knew immediately someone was trying to scam me. Should have known sooner, though.
So, I "sold" my HTC One on Craigslist, and the person who bought it apparently wants me to ship it to Nigeria where her son is sttending school; it's for his birthday. She gave me 60 bucks more than I was asking via PayPal, which she stated was for shipping. Aside from not knowing whether the Sprint variant will even work over there (does anyone know?), I can't help but feel uneasy about this whole thing. I guess as long as the funds clear I'm safe, and am under no obligation to (unlike with eBay), to right any wrongs she might point out later down the line. Should I just take the money send the phone and run, or is there something I'm not seeing that could cause legitimate problems?

Oh man that's a big no no. Doing business with people on craigslist who want to pay you through PayPal and Western Union plus wanting you to send it to another country which always seems to be in Africa is almost always a scam. If you read the craiglist faq you might get more info on what they do.
Edit: Glad you caught it

Mwahaha, I remember having one of these for a listing on my Galaxy Tab 10.1. Businessman in Nigeria for his son's birthday. Were it not for the bad English, they actually had a reasonably convincing-looking PayPal e-mail notification (which failed Google's trusted vendor mail check, sure, but it was good nevertheless).

Lancerz said:
Oh man that's a big no no. Doing business with people on craigslist who want to pay you through PayPal and Western Union plus wanting you to send it to another country which always seems to be in Africa is almost always a scam. If you read the craiglist faq you might get more info on what they do.
Edit: Glad you caught it
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Actually, the PayPal thing was my idea. It was my way to get a higher dollar amount for the phone, kind of like what some gas stations do with credit-based sales. In my case I asked $425 cash or $450 via PayPal. Maybe I should stick with cash and local sales, though.
And this scammer was the same deal, Rirere, except it was a woman sending to her son. I Googled the mailing address faux PayPal sent me and found other people who had also almost been ripped off.

It's a good idea to always deal in cash, locally, and meet at a sprint store. Unless you are selling on ebay, doing it this way will cover both seller and buyer.