Thought this was very odd. I was on phone with tech support cuz my phone bricked itself today. not sure how or why i wasnt even using it. The tech sending me replacement suggested i root my phone because it would help a lot with the random reboot issue i originally had called ina bout last week.
Proceeded to tell me that Verizon does not care if you root as long as the factory data reset will work as intended for them.
Didnt know if this information was well known or not just thought it was odd that a tech tell me to root my phone.
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Thought this was very odd. I was on phone with tech support cuz my phone bricked itself today. not sure how or why i wasnt even using it. The tech sending me replacement suggested i root my phone because it would help a lot with the random reboot issue i originally had called ina bout last week.
Proceeded to tell me that Verizon does not care if you root as long as the factory data reset will work as intended for them.
Didnt know if this information was well known or not just thought it was odd that a tech tell me to root my phone.
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I am guessing that means the LG/Stock Factory Reset but CWM Factory Reset does the exact same thing so I am still wondering what that means.. very suspicious
That's very odd. I used to work for AT&T and they said we could loose our job of we told a customer to change the core software on any device. Strange indeed.
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I am guessing that means the LG/Stock Factory Reset but CWM Factory Reset does the exact same thing so I am still wondering what that means.. very suspicious
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yeah that is what he was saying (he was telling me how he rooted his and was using cwm as well) but he said that verizons policy is that as long as the "STOCK" factory reset takes it back to original condition then they will not persue anything any further. (which btw is stock zv7 right now) the new phone they shipped me doesnt have zv8 yet either.
who knows i just thought i would elaborate what the tech told me.
the phone i sending back had CWM on it and wouldnt boot or charge battery. so i manage to get it into emergency mode and left it for about 18 hours which gave me almost 35 % charge( seems very low) but i managed to push the zv7 tot and revivie it to send back. YAY
Vzn and root
There is a lot of misconception about rooting, I used to co manage a vzn reseller.
If you go to the android market there are root apps all over the place, if rooting voided any warranties there would be huge liability issues for legal software developers and customer uproar. Plus the hardware OEMS would not alllow it to be sold legally. Rooting is a software change you are not hacking or modifying hardware here. Plus android is marketed as open source unlike iphone OS.
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There is a lot of misconception about rooting, I used to co manage a vzn reseller.
If you go to the android market there are root apps all over the place, if rooting voided any warranties there would be huge liability issues for legal software developers and customer uproar. Plus the hardware OEMS would not alllow it to be sold legally. Rooting is a software change you are not hacking or modifying hardware here. Plus android is marketed as open source unlike iphone OS.
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+1 U.S already has declared that rooting any android device is not under any circumstances classed as illegal.
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Verizon might also be less persnickety about rooting on the Revolution because it's on its way out. I know Verizon was much pickier about my Droid 1 when it was new than they were a few months ago.
sensation lover said:
+1 U.S already has declared that rooting any android device is not under any circumstances classed as illegal.
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This was only a 1 year term on that ruling. it is coming up again soon whether or not it is viable to do it or not.
cbrebel said:
yeah that is what he was saying (he was telling me how he rooted his and was using cwm as well) but he said that verizons policy is that as long as the "STOCK" factory reset takes it back to original condition then they will not persue anything any further. (which btw is stock zv7 right now) the new phone they shipped me doesnt have zv8 yet either.
who knows i just thought i would elaborate what the tech told me.
the phone i sending back had CWM on it and wouldnt boot or charge battery. so i manage to get it into emergency mode and left it for about 18 hours which gave me almost 35 % charge( seems very low) but i managed to push the zv7 tot and revivie it to send back. YAY
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Oh man, I totally did that when I had gotten my Revo. Fortunately Thecubed was around, and he took control of my computer and fixed the phone. It was awesome. I recall the battery taking for ever to recharge. We had to wait 30 minutes before we could try anything. We needed enough juice to run ADB and push stuff to my phone.
yep what the verizon sales/ tech guy said
walked into verizon today. my phone messed up but thats another thread... and he literally said verizon does not care if u root your phone... didnt say as long as or anything else. just said they dont care. so yeah feel free to ask them yourself.
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walked into verizon today. my phone messed up but thats another thread... and he literally said verizon does not care if u root your phone... didnt say as long as or anything else. just said they dont care. so yeah feel free to ask them yourself.
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That's the glory of open source...
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Yeah they Dont care, but brick one & try to get a replacement in warranty if you do.
Last month i made a boo boo installing Clockwork Mod and locked it up.
While they were very helpful, nice, and understanding; And a couple weeks later when I came in with my repaired phone (thanks to un_brickable) were more than happy to get me back online with a new sim card (I had to use my sons old HTC Incredible until I FINALLY found the fix). The warranty is now VOID and I was NOT going to get a new one.
I also dropped the protection plan & bought a "development" Revolution off of E-bay. So if i blow one up i can be back up & running in a couple minutes. cheaper in the long run.
Sometimes being Honest doesnt pay off. But in the end I have a BETTER phone for the experience. (2 of them actually)
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Proceeded to tell me that Verizon does not care if you root as long as the factory data reset will work as intended for them.
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I find this hard to believe. If they don't care, why do they keep shutting the door on every new exploit?
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I find this hard to believe. If they don't care, why do they keep shutting the door on every new exploit?
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Because an exploit is just that, something that can be used maliciously. They aren't trying to screw with rooted people, they are patching security holes.
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I find this hard to believe. If they don't care, why do they keep shutting the door on every new exploit?
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any vulnerable area in the code HAS to be patched because the first people we blame for the phone getting hacked, is Verizon, for not having the security it should have in the software
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Rooted phones are a liability...
For Verizon. The reps don't care (of course), but the main company does. It does void your warranty if they find out about it.
See, the tethering apps, Google navigation, Google voice, etc, etc are all lost profits. This is especially true with this phone, where in stock form, they nickel and dime you for "Verizon Navigation," "Verizon Voicemail," and "Verizon Tether."
Another negative impact for them is the number of returns the early rooting and experimentation process creates. I can remember the number of "forced failures" and nit-picking occurring on my old Eris when people were flashing the leaked upgrade that permanently disabled root, just so they had an excuse to return them.
The Verizon reps are "next-to-minimum-wage," 18-30 year old employees who could give a rat's patootie what you do with your phone. The RMA techs, on the other hand, may not be so forgiving.
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I went to Verizon today to help get my friend get a phone. And the guy (who is actually pretty cool and tech-savy) who helped me get my Droid Bionic happened to be working. As he was setting up my friends phone we were talking about cool things to do with my Bionic. He asked if I had it rooted, and I told him I did. He advised me to unroot it because, "Verizon is sending out 'spikes' and tracks who rooted their phones, will fry your SIM card, and put a flag on your account". I understand that rooting voids your warranty and is a breach to your contract. But is what he said true?
I had a LG G2X and a HTC HD7, both have been rooted and never been "spiked or fried".
Nope. Total BS.
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I went to Verizon today to help get my friend get a phone. And the guy (who is actually pretty cool and tech-savy) who helped me get my Droid Bionic happened to be working. As he was setting up my friends phone we were talking about cool things to do with my Bionic. He asked if I had it rooted, and I told him I did. He advised me to unroot it because, "Verizon is sending out 'spikes' and tracks who rooted their phones, will fry your SIM card, and put a flag on your account". I understand that rooting voids your warranty and is a breach to your contract. But is what he said true?
I had a LG G2X and a HTC HD7, both have been rooted and never been "spiked or fried".
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The absolute most horse**** thing I've ever heard. Employee oughta be fired.
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I went to Verizon today to help get my friend get a phone. And the guy (who is actually pretty cool and tech-savy) who helped me get my Droid Bionic happened to be working. As he was setting up my friends phone we were talking about cool things to do with my Bionic. He asked if I had it rooted, and I told him I did. He advised me to unroot it because, "Verizon is sending out 'spikes' and tracks who rooted their phones, will fry your SIM card, and put a flag on your account". I understand that rooting voids your warranty and is a breach to your contract. But is what he said true?
I had a LG G2X and a HTC HD7, both have been rooted and never been "spiked or fried".
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LMAO...he can't be that tech-savvy, or if he is, he's just being a total tool. What a ridiculous story to make up
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LMAO...he can't be that tech-savvy, or if he is, he's just being a total tool. What a ridiculous story to make up
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You guys are probably right. He just has me paranoid now. So if I root my phone (successfully, again), I'll be fine?
art0605 said:
You guys are probably right. He just has me paranoid now. So if I root my phone (successfully, again), I'll be fine?
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Yes, you will be fine. If you are worried about big red knowing your rooted, in the future try not telling the guy you rooted lol
Phones that have been rooted/modified will generally be refused service(as in troubleshooting) and/or warranty exchange. And generally the account will be notated that the customer has a modified device so that if he tries to go to another store, they will know. If you're smart enough to root it, then you should be smart enough to fix whatever you broke. This is part of the reason why I hate one-clicks.
Or do a damn NAND before you flash/modify something.
That said, you should be aware that some app/service vendors have ways of preventing their things to be installed on a rooted phone. I think both Blockbuster and Netflix have toyed with this, for instance. In those cases, you'll have to wait around for someone to get a fix out.
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Phones that have been rooted/modified will generally be refused service(as in troubleshooting) and/or warranty exchange. And generally the account will be notated that the customer has a modified device so that if he tries to go to another store, they will know. If you're smart enough to root it, then you should be smart enough to fix whatever you broke. This is part of the reason why I hate one-clicks.
Or do a damn NAND before you flash/modify something.
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So if I don't tell them that it's rooted, and they don't see it, will Verizon be able to know through their network? Because I was having trouble sending and receiving text messages a couple days ago and was working with the rep to get it resolved. I'm sure he knew it was rooted. Then he called tech services and they worked on it for about an hour or so. Neither of them mentioned anything about my rooted device or denied me help because of it.
I actually have the netflix app on mine rooted and strapped. No problems here. But its true some apps do know and care for sure.
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So if I don't tell them that it's rooted, and they don't see it, will Verizon be able to know through their network? Because I was having trouble sending and receiving text messages a couple days ago and was working with the rep to get it resolved. I'm sure he knew it was rooted. Then he called tech services and they worked on it for about an hour or so. Neither of them mentioned anything about my rooted device or denied me help because of it.
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Then that Rep was doing you a favor so be sure to give a good score if you get the survey.
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I went to Verizon today to help get my friend get a phone. And the guy (who is actually pretty cool and tech-savy) who helped me get my Droid Bionic happened to be working. As he was setting up my friends phone we were talking about cool things to do with my Bionic. He asked if I had it rooted, and I told him I did. He advised me to unroot it because, "Verizon is sending out 'spikes' and tracks who rooted their phones, will fry your SIM card, and put a flag on your account". I understand that rooting voids your warranty and is a breach to your contract. But is what he said true?
I had a LG G2X and a HTC HD7, both have been rooted and never been "spiked or fried".
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He actually said that? What a moron. It's great if you don't know anything, but for those of us that do, what the heck is he thinking?
I was @ best buy and found out their phone warranty ($10 month, no deductible) covers rooted phones!!! Couple that with the buy back program which is top notch and I was scratching my head wondering why any of us would ever buy directly from big red or anybody. They also have the "mail in rebates" as immediate rebates.
If you like having the latest and greatest though, especially if you like rooting, best buy is the spot. Makes me wanna talk my buddy out of his upgrade (on my account) just so I can do it there...lol
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I was @ best buy and found out their phone warranty ($10 month, no deductible) covers rooted phones!!! Couple that with the buy back program which is top notch and I was scratching my head wondering why any of us would ever buy directly from big red or anybody. They also have the "mail in rebates" as immediate rebates.
If you like having the latest and greatest though, especially if you like rooting, best buy is the spot. Makes me wanna talk my buddy out of his upgrade (on my account) just so I can do it there...lol
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Things that are too good to be true generally are... I'd read that fine print very carefully.
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unremarked said:
Things that are too good to be true generally are... I'd read that fine print very carefully.
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Please elaborate as I have poor eyesight and can't really read the fine print very well
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So if I don't tell them that it's rooted, and they don't see it, will Verizon be able to know through their network? Because I was having trouble sending and receiving text messages a couple days ago and was working with the rep to get it resolved. I'm sure he knew it was rooted. Then he called tech services and they worked on it for about an hour or so. Neither of them mentioned anything about my rooted device or denied me help because of it.
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No there's no way to tell. If you actually told them ' I rooted my phone ' they would quickly tell you that none of their support team can help you, or if you get a nice person they would say that and still continue to try and help you- but they have no obligation to help you with a rooted phone.
Rooting your phone basically means you will not get any support from them (only if they know you rooted it).
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Phones that have been rooted/modified will generally be refused service(as in troubleshooting) and/or warranty exchange. And generally the account will be notated that the customer has a modified device so that if he tries to go to another store, they will know. If you're smart enough to root it, then you should be smart enough to fix whatever you broke. This is part of the reason why I hate one-clicks.
Or do a damn NAND before you flash/modify something.
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This, they tried putting a note on my account saying I was rooted because I was using go launcher instead of the stock. ****ing idiots. and yeah if they think you have it rooted they'll pretty much deny you service.
also, excellent avatar.
Berzerker7 said:
The absolute most horse**** thing I've ever heard. Employee oughta be fired.
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Lol right
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I've returned phones without unrooting them and they've never said anything. I do suggest making it look as much like stock as you can (dont return it with custom boot animations or themes). I dont think they look at the returned phones in all that much detail. You obviously don't want it looking all customized because then they don't have to look too hard.
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On a side note, the last person you want to listen to is a instore cellphone sales Rep. They know less than anyone. Its industry standard for them to have their workers being clueless.
I've actually been in a store and was able to help other customers better than they could. I won't let them help me with anything other than ringing up my purchase and hope they get that right and not overcharge me (one time on sprint, they messed up my package and I was getting charged for data usage and ran up my phone bill and they shut off the phone days later for running up the bill by using too much data even though it was supposed to be unlimited)
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Long story short the vzw rep told me to install the leaked update saying it would fix my 3g connection problems (which it didn't) and now I'm stuck with no root. I would like to either get root or go back to stock if thats possible. Is it possible to use the sbf and go back? Any help would be appreciated.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1279825
The VZ rep told you to install a leak? That sounds a bit shaky.
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Won't work.
If I'm not mistaken. There is no way to go back to release stock. Since that update updated the bootloader / or kernel, FXZ ( SPF ) which ever you perfer to call it won't work since the updated bootloader.
sucks i know.
I have never heard about a vzw rep telling you to install something that is leaked. (most of the time voids warranty.)
About the only thing i can tell you is to try to get a hold of @p3droid on twitter and try to get a root method from him for test. but that may be unlikely but could be worth it if your willing to test stuff for him.
Anyway, Good luck with the phone.
I hope you get it
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A Verizon rep telling you to install a leak... that reminds me of the Verizon store near me. They're (almost) all a bunch of idiots, at least every one I've encountered in there was. One guy tried to tack a note onto my account saying that my insurance should be removed since I "rooted" my phone, when I actually just had go launcher running. wasn't actually rooted at that time, I know better than to tread in their turf with the Superuser hanging around.
Couldn't he just apply the FXZ image since that's basically a whole phone image?
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Won't work.
If I'm not mistaken. There is no way to go back to release stock. Since that update updated the bootloader / or kernel, FXZ ( SPF ) which ever you perfer to call it won't work since the updated bootloader.
sucks i know.
I have never heard about a vzw rep telling you to install something that is leaked. (most of the time voids warranty.)
About the only thing i can tell you is to try to get a hold of @p3droid on twitter and try to get a root method from him for test. but that may be unlikely but could be worth it if your willing to test stuff for him.
Anyway, Good luck with the phone.
I hope you get it
T.A.
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Ya the phone functions now just sucks not having root. Luckily I got a replacement on the way already I would just prefer to keep my original bionic than taking a chance with a re-certified one.
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A Verizon rep telling you to install a leak... that reminds me of the Verizon store near me. They're (almost) all a bunch of idiots, at least every one I've encountered in there was. One guy tried to tack a note onto my account saying that my insurance should be removed since I "rooted" my phone, when I actually just had go launcher running. wasn't actually rooted at that time, I know better than to tread in their turf with the Superuser hanging around.
Couldn't he just apply the FXZ image since that's basically a whole phone image?
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Ya dude they aren't the brightest but I couldn't get data on 3g at all the airplane toggle, factory reset, and sbf didn't fix it so I took the plunge to the latest leak with no success. When you call the tech people up on the phone they read from a script and its like dude I already factory reset a battery pulls not gonna fix it.....
For what it's worth, I've been seeing some issues with 3G lately myself, but I'm in an area where we have had LTE for less than two weeks. Every time I use 3G only, I get network issues as well, so my guess was it's just Verizon doing backend things and ****ing with the network.
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For what it's worth, I've been seeing some issues with 3G lately myself, but I'm in an area where we have had LTE for less than two weeks. Every time I use 3G only, I get network issues as well, so my guess was it's just Verizon doing backend things and ****ing with the network.
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My gf's thunderbolt gets 3g data that was 2 feet away from my bionic. It was the phone not the network.
Well, there goes my effort No LTE your way yet I'm guessing?
this reminds me of .... well, nothing.. but.. it does suck and it made me laugh.. i really am sorry about your trouble and im glad you are getting a replacement but.. damn.
Bionics 3g radio just sucks! Period! The 4g on the other hand tends to work almost normal. I have messed with 3 different bionics and have had the same results..
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Well, there goes my effort No LTE your way yet I'm guessing?
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No we get LTE it just comes in and out and like when I'm at the gym I only get 3g so I couldn't browse the internet between sets haha
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this reminds me of .... well, nothing.. but.. it does suck and it made me laugh.. i really am sorry about your trouble and im glad you are getting a replacement but.. damn.
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I just want root the phone functions fine now though lol
I also had a vzw dummy say my DROIDX was rooted too cuz I was running LPP. I just looked at him and said... are you serious. I think we all know not to take a phone into vzw while rooted. I would talk to the store manager that some1 had told you to install a leak. Make sure this doesn't get tagged as your fault.
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Bionics 3g radio just sucks! Period! The 4g on the other hand tends to work almost normal. I have messed with 3 different bionics and have had the same results..
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I agree.
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I also had a vzw dummy say my DROIDX was rooted too cuz I was running LPP. I just looked at him and said... are you serious. I think we all know not to take a phone into vzw while rooted. I would talk to the store manager that some1 had told you to install a leak. Make sure this doesn't get tagged as your fault.
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I was rooted too I just used launcherpro to hide the superuser but the guy I talked to had a droid 2 global and his phone was rooted he didn't care lol.
You'll get a few reps that are actually into their devices. But few and far in between. When I see an android device and see it's not rooted. My look of enjoyment turns to disgust. Lol.
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You'll get a few reps that are actually into their devices. But few and far in between. When I see an android device and see it's not rooted. My look of enjoyment turns to disgust. Lol.
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LOL now you know why I want to get this bionic back to stock I can't stand having this **** not rooted. Like my girls thunderbolt is rooted for my enjoyment she could care less haha.
You did say that you're having another sent out to you right? Yeah no root is no good. Although when I first got mine I was really impressed with it unrooted. Told myself to play with it for a while unrooted but I just couldn't do it. Ha ha.
But it seriously needs a radio update. Its horrible. My thunderbolts radio blew this outta the water.
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You did say that you're having another sent out to you right? Yeah no root is no good. Although when I first got mine I was really impressed with it unrooted. Told myself to play with it for a while unrooted but I just couldn't do it. Ha ha.
But it seriously needs a radio update. Its horrible. My thunderbolts radio blew this outta the water.
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Yeah its on its way they use to fed ex over night it now they've gotten stingy and usps it 2-5 business days...... Ya I said that too and it lasted about 15 minutes out of the box before it was rooted lol.
RMcCall said:
Yeah its on its way they use to fed ex over night it now they've gotten stingy and usps it 2-5 business days...... Ya I said that too and it lasted about 15 minutes out of the box before it was rooted lol.
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2-5 days. That's weak. I had no idea they changed it up. A little ridiculous. Providing we all need phones for obvious reasons. At least yours still works.
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Ya they must of just changed it cause my girl got a replacement thunderbolt overnighted like a month ago. She said i could pay 20 bucks to get it overnighted needless to say i passed on her offer.
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can you guys check out my thread in the marketplace because I really dont want to sell my d3, I just want to fix it. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1432260
I looked at your other thread and it seems you have a hardware problem with this phone. Unless this phone has a bad ESN, you should be bringing it back for a replacement. Even if you bought this phone off eBay, it would still be covered under the manufacturers warranty, but I suspect you already know this. It sounds more like you are trying to pawn off a broken phone that can't be activated or replaced to a fellow XDAer, that's not cool!
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I looked at your other thread and it seems you have a hardware problem with this phone. Unless this phone has a bad ESN, you should be bringing it back for a replacement. Even if you bought this phone off eBay, it would still be covered under the manufacturers warranty, but I suspect you already know this. It sounds more like you are trying to pawn off a broken phone that can't be activated or replaced to a fellow XDAer, that's not cool!
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No this has been my daily phone for almost 2 months now, clean esn and everything. The only thing that is kinda stopping me is it has not been activated with Verizon and has only been on pageplus.
Who buys a Verizon smartphone to activate on a prepaid network?
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Who buys a Verizon smartphone to activate on a prepaid network?
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Well I originally got it off of craigslist for a decent price and I cant afford Verizon directly so I did some research and got it on pageplus. Pageplus actually uses Verizon towers, so I only pay $30 a month for 1,200 Minutes / 3,000 SMS/MMS / 100 MB Data on verizon service (win!), and of the 100mb of data I dont use much because im always on wifi. Also im not locked in a contract for 2 years (another win!).
Good job getting a win on Verizon. I don't care for them much, though I dislike AT&T worse, so when T-Mobile goes, that's where I'll be taking my D3 most likely.
So, as I asked on your other thread, I'll ask here; have you tried hooking your phone up to a PC and tried the fast/easy unbrick method I mentioned? It saved my ass and put my phone back to stock. It's in the D3 dev forum. Might work for you, if it's a software issue. If it really is a hardware issue (other than something which is not covered by warranty, e.g., your fault), you should be able to return it for repair/replacement from the manufacturer. Call their customer service/go to their website to find out more (if you can't fix it via the unbrick method). Then maybe you can sell a working, brand new/refurbished device instead of one which may never work again.
Just a suggestion
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Good job getting a win on Verizon. I don't care for them much, though I dislike AT&T worse, so when T-Mobile goes, that's where I'll be taking my D3 most likely.
So, as I asked on your other thread, I'll ask here; have you tried hooking your phone up to a PC and tried the fast/easy unbrick method I mentioned? It saved my ass and put my phone back to stock. It's in the D3 dev forum. Might work for you, if it's a software issue. If it really is a hardware issue (other than something which is not covered by warranty, e.g., your fault), you should be able to return it for repair/replacement from the manufacturer. Call their customer service/go to their website to find out more (if you can't fix it via the unbrick method). Then maybe you can sell a working, brand new/refurbished device instead of one which may never work again.
Just a suggestion
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I have tried the unbrick method but my computer wont recognize the phone (cant get into fastboot or recovery).
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I have tried the unbrick method but my computer wont recognize the phone (cant get into fastboot or recovery).
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I apologize for being sceptical of your intentions, there are just a lot of con men out these days trying to take advantage. The warranty I was referring to is Motorola's warranty. You can contact them directly for a replacement as the phone comes with a manufacturer's 1-year warranty. You don't have to have a contract with Verizon for this warranty to be valid. As long as the phone has a clean ESN they have to replace it for hardware malfunctions.
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I apologize for being sceptical of your intentions, there are just a lot of con men out these days trying to take advantage. The warranty I was referring to is Motorola's warranty. You can contact them directly for a replacement as the phone comes with a manufacturer's 1-year warranty. You don't have to have a contract with Verizon for this warranty to be valid. As long as the phone has a clean ESN they have to replace it for hardware malfunctions.
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Thanks for the info, I didnt know Motorola had a warranty on their phones. Do you think I might run into problems since I was rooted? I will call them at 9am cst (thats when they open lol).
you can easily unroot and then they cant tell
Dri94 said:
you can easily unroot and then they cant tell
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Not so easy to un root when you cant get into recovery/ fastboot, device wont turn on, pc wont recognize it.
Well if they cant get the device on then your fine. Plus i sent my rooted device in and they replaced it without question
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Not so easy to un root when you cant get into recovery/ fastboot, device wont turn on, pc wont recognize it.
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I would get a charged battery just to verify that does not come on. I could just be the charging circuit that isn't working.
I called Verizon as I am having GPS issues. I was going to get a cert like new and while I wait, restore and send back non-working unit. When I called, the woman said she was going to run some diagnostics on her end (new to me) and said that she can detect that the software had been altered. She recommended that I reset the phone because if she put this through and it was rooted, I would be charged.
Are they able to tell your phone is rooted from their system without having it? Were they always able to do that?
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I called Verizon as I am having GPS issues. I was going to get a cert like new and while I wait, restore and send back non-working unit. When I called, the woman said she was going to run some diagnostics on her end (new to me) and said that she can detect that the software had been altered. She recommended that I reset the phone because if she put this through and it was rooted, I would be charged.
Are they able to tell your phone is rooted from their system without having it? Were they always able to do that?
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It wouldn't surprise me, but I can't imagine technology is that advanced, considering they are basically violating your privacy with a tool such as the one described. They could basically "tap" into your phone firmware/software whenever they want, and grab whatever information they want. I couldn't imagine, while possible, they would actually do it.
That said, you need to deal directly with LG. Verizon, along with many other carriers, will void your warranty at the flip of a dime because it's more income for them. I was an LG certified technician from 2005-2010, and while a technician, we did not void warranties for rooting unless we found evidence the firmware/software change interrupted the hardware, such as overclocking.
Once again, deal with LG directly. Verizon will snub you whenever they get the chance. Also, did I mention that most representatives have no idea what the hell they're talking about in the first place?
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It wouldn't surprise me, but I can't imagine technology is that advanced, considering they are basically violating your privacy with a tool such as the one described. They could basically "tap" into your phone firmware/software whenever they want, and grab whatever information they want. I couldn't imagine, while possible, they would actually do it.
That said, you need to deal directly with LG. Verizon, along with many other carriers, will void your warranty at the flip of a dime because it's more income for them. I was an LG certified technician from 2005-2010, and while a technician, we did not void warranties for rooting unless we found evidence the firmware/software change interrupted the hardware, such as overclocking.
Once again, deal with LG directly. Verizon will snub you whenever they get the chance. Also, did I mention that most representatives have no idea what the hell they're talking about in the first place?
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She definitely str8 up said "it looks like your phone has been rooted" after she did her "diagnostics" when calling *611. SO... the tool exists.
The problem I have with sending it to LG for fixing is that I have to pay for shipping it, wait a week or two without a phone while they fix it, etc. With VZW, I can restore to stock and then get a phone immediatley.
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The problem I have with sending it to LG for fixing is that I have to pay for shipping it, wait a week or two without a phone while they fix it, etc. With VZW, I can restore to stock and then get a phone immediatley.
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Well, that's your option. Did you restore it? Whether the representative can "detect" root or not, when they see a completely stock phone in retail, they'll probably replace it.
That said, you've got me curious as to whether Verizon can actually detect root over the phone. The research has started. . .
Edit: After about five minutes, it's apparently possible via a Verizon Remote Diagnostics app that they send out with updates. I definitely don't agree with it, and I'm glad I can say that with custom ROM's, that garbage is removed.
http://phandroid.com/2012/03/20/droid-charge-fp1-update-brings-verizon-remote-diagnostics-bug-fixes/
Verizon knows at all times what software your running. I used to work as tech support for VZW. Than can also see how many apps u got, how much memory u used, etc. Its an invasion of of privacy. But what can we do?
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Verizon knows at all times what software your running. I used to work as tech support for VZW. Than can also see how many apps u got, how much memory u used, etc. Its an invasion of of privacy. But what can we do?
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Yeah, she said to me over the phone, after saying she was going to run diagnostics... "you've got 40% memory available, etc etc."
I am running a custom rom though. I'm using Xdabbeb's 24A. Could that tool not been removed or hidden?
Just turn off radios when calling. Then say, "I don't know whats wrong... I have 4 bars of 4G"
Need a replacement for my Moto X. Called them up and the guy could tell my phone was rooted but said he would ship out regardless. 5 days later no confirmation of it being shipped and it hadn't arrived so I gave them a call. It said your certified replacement device has been denied because you are rooted.
So I wonder if the steps to get a phone replaced would be to return to unrooted stock, then contact customer service? Or do they keep track of everything we do from the second we turn it on?
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So I wonder if the steps to get a phone replaced would be to return to unrooted stock, then contact customer service? Or do they keep track of everything we do from the second we turn it on?
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I'm now curious of the same question. I seriously can't believe they can see all that, even with a custom ROM. I mean, since this has been confirmed, couldn't this be a lawsuit of some sort? Am I the only person feeling this way? It's a blatant invasion of privacy.
It really is @UrbanBounca, but they'd probably tell you it's hidden in the agreement we all signed or the classic "don't like it, don't use our service". Only the big boys can get away with these kind of shenanigans.
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I bought my phone outright for 399 or 499, I forget. I have a month to month contract on the UDP plan. Its my frigging phone. I'll do what I want with it. I understand when I root, I loose the warranty. I understand that if I'm tethering, I could get my wrist slapped.
Why call VZW for anything?
If your worried, don't root. If not, suck it up buttercups!!
I went thru the same thing with my Dodge Truck. I came to the conclusion that I am my own warranty station, plain and simple.
If your gonna do stuff to YOUR possessions, that might void a warranty, its not the manufactures fault, its yours, but YOU have the choice.
Of course VZW can see you phone, then they give all that info to the NSA for tax breaks
After a bit more research, I've found that they can only run diagnostics if (a) you're on ICS or above and (b) you have the MyVerizon app installed.
I don't have the MyVerizon app, and after hearing this, I won't be installing it.
Why would anyone use MyVerizon? It is certainly not NEEDED for anything productive.
Thanks Devs, from my LG G2
It'd definitely the my Verizon app. Even if you block superuser access to it they can still detect it. The customer service reps also make you install it when going through the process. I'm leaving Verizon next month after my last line is free from contract. 3 lines with unlimited data going up on eBay.
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Verizon's Remote Diagnostics allows them to remotely control your device to fix things. I used to do this all the time. Usually its somebody that doesn't have a clue how to use android. So, I'd ask for permission, they'd get a pop up to put in a pin number I've give them, and i'd have total control of their phone, even view some fun stuff in their galleries!!! LOL Sometimes it was the only way to fix a problem than have granny go to a local verizon store.
....But before we even get permission to control a person's phone, on Verizon's side of things the Diagnostic tool lists everything about the phone. It doesn't matter what rom you have, it will show up. Anything in Settings they can mostly see.
If you want to avoid problems, best bet it to do a full stock restore, and run your phone for a few minutes before you call so their systems can see your full stock and not rooted.
Some Verizon Tech Reps are very anal, and will give you a hard time for anything, like if they are on a mission to discredit anybody that calls. Others, like I was mostly took your word for your problem. If I could fix it, I would, or I just send a replacement. I could care less if your rooted. I'd send anybody a phone. 80% of the time its a snobby business man, making $500k a year, mad as hell his phone freezes or his battery drains fast, and demands a replacement. I never argued with these kind of people, as they made the big bucks and I only made $40k a year. I even told one guy I didn't get paid enough to argue with him, and I'll send him a replacement no problem. lol
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Verizon's Remote Diagnostics allows them to remotely control your device to fix things. I used to do this all the time. Usually its somebody that doesn't have a clue how to use android. So, I'd ask for permission, they'd get a pop up to put in a pin number I've give them, and i'd have total control of their phone, even view some fun stuff in their galleries!!! LOL Sometimes it was the only way to fix a problem than have granny go to a local verizon store.
....But before we even get permission to control a person's phone, on Verizon's side of things the Diagnostic tool lists everything about the phone. It doesn't matter what rom you have, it will show up. Anything in Settings they can mostly see.
If you want to avoid problems, best bet it to do a full stock restore, and run your phone for a few minutes before you call so their systems can see your full stock and not rooted.
Some Verizon Tech Reps are very anal, and will give you a hard time for anything, like if they are on a mission to discredit anybody that calls. Others, like I was mostly took your word for your problem. If I could fix it, I would, or I just send a replacement. I could care less if your rooted. I'd send anybody a phone. 80% of the time its a snobby business man, making $500k a year, mad as hell his phone freezes or his battery drains fast, and demands a replacement. I never argued with these kind of people, as they made the big bucks and I only made $40k a year. I even told one guy I didn't get paid enough to argue with him, and I'll send him a replacement no problem. lol
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The women I got kept saying to do a "factory reset" because if she put in the order for a CLNR that I would be charged if I was rooted. After I got off the call, I got the impression she was telling me to unroot my phone, restore to stock and then call back to place the order.
I had a custom rom, but it was stock based. I believe I did have the MyVerizon app on there.
I just rooted my 24A G2 and the moment I rebooted, I got a notification popup saying 'You have modified the system software' or something like that. So it is phoning home (no pun intended) and tripping a flag somewhere. I'm sure no one is looking at it unless you call, so before you call, flash back to 100% stock.
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I'm now curious of the same question. I seriously can't believe they can see all that, even with a custom ROM. I mean, since this has been confirmed, couldn't this be a lawsuit of some sort? Am I the only person feeling this way? It's a blatant invasion of privacy.
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It's not an invasion of privacy. They are protecting themselves from all of the warranty fraud that happens when people who complain about their phones try to return them under warranty.
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When it comes to having to get a new phone, Verizon will not give you one if you have altered the phone. However, let's say your headphone jack stopped working and you need to send it in to get it repaired. They HAVE to fix your phone, regardless if it's rooted or not. Why? Because the only way they can't do warranty repairs with your phone being rooted, is because they HAVE to prove that rooting directly caused the issue with the phone. This is per the Magnusson-Moss Act Chapter 50 of United States Code Section 2304, which states:
Waiver of standards
The performance of the duties under subsection (a) of this section shall not be required of the warrantor if he can show that the defect, malfunction, or failure of any warranted consumer product to conform with a written warranty, was caused by damage (not resulting from defect or malfunction) while in the possession of the consumer, or unreasonable use (including failure to provide reasonable and necessary maintenance). (d) Remedy without charge For purposes of this section and of section 2302© of this
title, the term "without charge" means that the warrantor may not assess the consumer for any costs the warrantor or his representatives incur in connection with the required remedy of a warranted consumer product. An obligation under subsection (a)(1)(A) of this section to remedy without charge does not necessarily require the warrantor to compensate the consumer for incidental expenses; however, if any incidental expenses are incurred because the remedy is not made within a reasonable time or
because the warrantor imposed an unreasonable duty upon the consumer as a condition of securing remedy, then the consumer shall be entitled to recover reasonable incidental expenses which are so incurred in any action against the warrantor.
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So how does that mean my warranty isn't voided? If you go out and buy a brand new G2, you root it and have no issues. No problems. Then a 6 weeks later, you plug in your headphones and all of a sudden, no sound is coming out of your head phones. Or the sound coming out of your speaker is crackling. Or your SIM/SD card door breaks off. Just because you rooted your phone, LG still has to honor the 1 year warranty pertaining to THOSE problems. They will STILL have to fix your headphone jack, THEY STILL have to install a new speaker and STILL have to give you a new SIM/SD card door.
Reference;
http://www.droidrzr.com/index.php/t...-users-may-have-about-rooting-and-warranties/
I see a bunch of people who say they get can get replacement phones from t mobile with no hassle even if their knox counter is counted
Long story short, doesn't matter if it's stock or a custom rom, a few of my calls go straight to my voicemail and my phone doesn't even ring or give me a notification someone called. A few other people here had that problem and told me to just get a replacement. I don't care if it's a new or refurbished device but when I called t mobile and asked for a replacement they me to factory reset (which I did) and try turning off VoLTE and everything was going well until I had to open my big mouth and told him I rooted it. He said I am covered by the manufacture warranty if it's not rooted, since I told him it's rooted will they write a note on my account saying my warranty is voided? Do you guys think because I mentioned root, he assumed my device is still rooted?
Should I just call again and try a different person? I don't wanna lie and then have them charge me $699 if I don't tell them I rooted my phone on my 2nd try of getting a replacement....
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I see a bunch of people who say they get can get replacement phones from t mobile with no hassle even if their knox counter is counted
Long story short, doesn't matter if it's stock or a custom rom, a few of my calls go straight to my voicemail and my phone doesn't even ring or give me a notification someone called. A few other people here had that problem and told me to just get a replacement. I don't care if it's a new or refurbished device but when I called t mobile and asked for a replacement they me to factory reset (which I did) and try turning off VoLTE and everything was going well until I had to open my big mouth and told him I rooted it. He said I am covered by the manufacture warranty if it's not rooted, since I told him it's rooted will they write a note on my account saying my warranty is voided? Do you guys think because I mentioned root, he assumed my device is still rooted?
Should I just call again and try a different person? I don't wanna lie and then have them charge me $699 if I don't tell them I rooted my phone on my 2nd try of getting a replacement....
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simple. factory it back dont root. so its not lying. your device isnt rooted anymore. just dont tell them you rooted. Thats like shooting yourself in the head and praying your still live. Ignore the asshole who told you about noting your account. rooting doesnt break the phone. its already defective. it makes me so frustrated to hear any rep giving the customer the middle finger when they dont understand squat about root. If you are within the 14 day buyers remorse period i suggest you call into that department and get a new one sent out.
If you want to see if that person documented anything on the computer about your root comment call in and ask about the day you where helped by him. ask if the rep can read/look into the comments if there is any notes about your "return status". Try it a couple of times if no rep mentions about any root comment and void warrenty then you are good.
You my friend are definitely a noob. You never ever admit anything. Never. And the proper fix would be for you to call tech support and tell them your phone rings once before voicemail and you wish for them to extend ring time before voicemail. That will fix your issue.
BAD ASS NOTE 4
Your Warranty Is Not Void ...I'm not sure the validity of this but it makes sense per the consumer protections on warranties.
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simple. factory it back dont root. so its not lying. your device isnt rooted anymore. just dont tell them you rooted. Thats like shooting yourself in the head and praying your still live. Ignore the asshole who told you about noting your account. rooting doesnt break the phone. its already defective. it makes me so frustrated to hear any rep giving the customer the middle finger when they dont understand squat about root. If you are within the 14 day buyers remorse period i suggest you call into that department and get a new one sent out.
If you want to see if that person documented anything on the computer about your root comment call in and ask about the day you where helped by him. ask if the rep can read/look into the comments if there is any notes about your "return status". Try it a couple of times if no rep mentions about any root comment and void warrenty then you are good.
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Just called and the rep said the last thing the note says was to factory restore and see if problem persist. So I guess I'll call in a few days, it's likely a hardware problem anyways
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Just called and the rep said the last thing the note says was to factory restore and see if problem persist. So I guess I'll call in a few days, it's likely a hardware problem anyways
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It is not but OK replace as you will.
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"told them I rooted it" Lmao. Come on man!
Need help to reroot tmobile note 4
I just upgrade new firmware to Tmobile Note 4.
I tried many time to reroot, but doesn't work.
Anyone know how to fix this problem, please help
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I just upgrade new firmware to Tmobile Note 4.
I tried many time to reroot, but doesn't work.
Anyone know how to fix this problem, please help
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You asking in wrong thread. Go read the thread for rooting and walks you thru it.
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I had the same issue when I activated my note 4 with Tmo. Wasn't receiving calls or texts. Called customer service then they ended up creating a tech ticket. Because they couldn't solve it themselves, they told me give them 48hrs. And it'd fixed. After about 13hrs they had it fixed. So give them a call explain your issue DON'T AND NEVER MENTION ROOT. Be persistent don't hang up until you have an answer. And they'll fix it..
Good luck:highfive:
I can't blame them for not wanting to support every newbie that miss flashes or flashes a crappy rom and can't get his dialer or modem to work or some other silly bug.
Like "let me experiment and then let Verizon bail me out with a new phone everytime I can't find my way out of the mess I created"
A simple factory reset should fix all, but some destroy even that ability.
Yes they can reflash but it shouldn't be under warranty.. Should be a fee to bail such folks out... Sorry that's not popular to say but if you owned Verizon, would you do the same?
Buy a car and tear into the engine and screw it up then try to get warranty to fix it!
But I agree, if you own your phone and are willing to sign a disclaimer releasing them from warranty they should remove restrictions.
That still makes them vulnerable to folks messing with the network though.
As long as they can't tie the problem to your mishandling your good.
Perfect example... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=57360032
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I can't blame them for not wanting to support every newbie that miss flashes or flashes a crappy rom and can't get his dialer or modem to work or some other silly bug.
Like "let me experiment and then let Verizon bail me out with a new phone everytime I can't find my way out of the mess I created"
A simple factory reset should fix all, but some destroy even that ability.
Yes they can reflash but it shouldn't be under warranty.. Should be a fee to bail such folks out... Sorry that's not popular to say but if you owned Verizon, would you do the same?
Buy a car and tear into the engine and screw it up then try to get warranty to fix it!
But I agree, if you own your phone and are willing to sign a disclaimer releasing them from warranty they should remove restrictions.
That still makes them vulnerable to folks messing with the network though.
As long as they can't tie the problem to your mishandling your good.
Perfect example... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=57360032
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Your analogy is fatally flawed. I mean it shouldn't even have to be pointed out, it's that flawed. Flawed isn't even the right term.. Asinine? Eh, it's not even worth brainstorming for the proper term.
@telling them you are rooted lmao
I have never called anyone a noob on here before but you sir, is a noob.
And I say this with the most lovable respect. Lol
NEVER...EVER say you are rooted! Do not mutter the word "r" even if you were only rooted for 1 second!
That's not true my first note 4 was rooted and it shows that on their end I didn't even bring it up. The lady told me to restore back to oem spec if I wanted to keep my warranty. I did and called back the next day they sent me a new phone.
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That's not true my first note 4 was rooted and it shows that on their end I didn't even bring it up. The lady told me to restore back to oem spec if I wanted to keep my warranty. I did and called back the next day they sent me a new phone.
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Yeah they replaced mine =)
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That's not true my first note 4 was rooted and it shows that on their end I didn't even bring it up. The lady told me to restore back to oem spec if I wanted to keep my warranty. I did and called back the next day they sent me a new phone.
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The only way that happens is if you use the mytmobile app. Which is still your fault. We all know it sends back info to them about root status.
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Sends back more than that... WAY more
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So much for the common (incorrect) assertion the tripping Knox will cause TMO to force replacement through insurance and paying deductible. ?
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So much for the common (incorrect) assertion the tripping Knox will cause TMO to force replacement through insurance and paying deductible. ?
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That is the expected response
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