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Motorola got it so right with the Droid and then royally screwed it up with the Milestone by locking down it's bootloader, what are the odds with the new Droid X?
On a slight off topic speculation, same question for the Droid 2?
Charusen said:
Motorola got it so right with the Droid and then royally screwed it up with the Milestone by locking down it's bootloader, what are the odds with the new Droid X?
On a slight off topic speculation, same question for the Droid 2?
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Taking into account the number of previous models listed above, I'd say it's a 50/50 shot
cross my fingers, hope to die, stick a needle in my eye... lol
i can almost bet that the bootloader is locked. motorola said a few months back all their future phones will have locked bootloaders. just hope it can be hacked like the milestone, but desnt take as long.
bizzshow26 said:
i can almost bet that the bootloader is locked. motorola said a few months back all their future phones will have locked bootloaders. just hope it can be hacked like the milestone, but desnt take as long.
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This is the only thing that would make me return the Droid X. As far as I know, the Milestone bootloader still hasn't been cracked, and months on from its release, it's not looking that likely. I'm using the first 30 days to see if I can put custom roms on there or not -- if I can't, I'll go return it and wait for a better phone.
just read and no the milestone bootloader hasnt been unlocked. just hope they dont lock down this bootloader if they do i will keep my droid around for hacking perposes
If I cant put custom roms on this phone, I will not be getting it.
we may have to wait and see if their going to lock it down. i pray not, i want to keep custom roms but would rather overclock and keep the stock usablility or just theme my phone
From what I've heard, the bootloader is signed. Does anybody know if there's been any progress on the Milestone with the kexec method?
Are retail devices have Locked BootLoaders.
G1BRICKED said:
Are retail devices have Locked BootLoaders.
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That's a bit of a bummer, but I mean the phone is just plainly better than an Evo. Even if it can't flash roms, having root inside the OS is still ok. I mean that way we can do wifi tethering and stuff like that.
What really impresses me from this phone is the GPU. The Evo's sucks.
jigglywiggly said:
That's a bit of a bummer, but I mean the phone is just plainly better than an Evo. Even if it can't flash roms, having root inside the OS is still ok. I mean that way we can do wifi tethering and stuff like that.
What really impresses me from this phone is the GPU. The Evo's sucks.
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Yeah, the GPU in this is really helping to sell me on it. TBH I don't mind not having custom ROMs (Android custom ROM's aren't nearly as necessary as WinMo custom ROMs IMO), but I really want to be able to overclock, since hopefully this will be able to get up to 1.2-1.3GHz, at least.
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Yeah, the GPU in this is really helping to sell me on it. TBH I don't mind not having custom ROMs (Android custom ROM's aren't nearly as necessary as WinMo custom ROMs IMO), but I really want to be able to overclock, since hopefully this will be able to get up to 1.2-1.3GHz, at least.
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I am sure it can do those frequencies provided someone hacks the bootloader. But I have a feeling even if the snapdragon is at 1.2ghz it probably is equal to the Droid x's 1ghz OMAP proc.
It's just a better phone, it just has a bit odd stylistically, thank goodness the front looks smexy.
I wish Froyo would come out to it earlier, but it's not a must. (I want Flash )
With all the competition I can't see myself picking this up with a locked boot loader. Development efforts will seriously be non existent. Foolish on motorola's part. They gain nothing by locking it and ultimately lose sales.
Can someone clarify: an earlier poster said that the bootloader had been accessed, but the rest of the posts are going along the lines that the bootloader is NOT unlocked...
does anyone have any clarity for this one
timing?
Using the Droid as an example anyone remember how long it took "them" to figure out whether the bootloader was locked? Trying to figure out if this will be determined before I trying to pick one up on the 15th.
Wow this has been eye opening. I have been a long time winmo user and love flashing ROM's. I'm about to switch to verizon and was already sold on the X but after reading about the locked boot loader I think I'll stick with HTC devices, or at least the original moto droid. This will be a deal breaker sorry moto
There is a person at androidforums who has a Droid X. He is doing a Q&A right now. He has been asked twice (once by me) if the bootloader is locked or not. He is unsure how to check this (as am I). Figured someone here may be able to help him out. Since I cannot post links the thread is "Droid X in my hands on monday". Hopefully something good will come out of this.
jte6263 said:
Wow this has been eye opening. I have been a long time winmo user and love flashing ROM's. I'm about to switch to verizon and was already sold on the X but after reading about the locked boot loader I think I'll stick with HTC devices, or at least the original moto droid. This will be a deal breaker sorry moto
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All Winmo / HTC phones are locked at the beginning and you get a great unlocker usually from Olipro. It usually takes a month or so for this to happen. Not sure why you would think an Android device would be different or why this would be a deal breaker for you. I am sure there will be someone who knows enough about the bootloader who will figure out how to unlock it.
symyn said:
All Winmo / HTC phones are locked at the beginning and you get a great unlocker usually from Olipro. It usually takes a month or so for this to happen. Not sure why you would think an Android device would be different or why this would be a deal breaker for you. I am sure there will be someone who knows enough about the bootloader who will figure out how to unlock it.
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I would feel more at ease if the precedence set by the milestone didn't exist...
Is there any possible way to port that BlurHome.apk in the Droid X dump to the Motorola Droid, I couldn't find it in the forums.
thepwneddroid said:
Is there any possible way to port that BlurHome.apk in the Droid X dump to the Motorola Droid, I couldn't find it in the forums.
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There is a way by most likely porting the whole build over. But I'm waiting for the droid2 to come out which is supposed to have ninjablur running on froyo. It should be a very easy port since it's basically an upgraded droid from what I've heard.
Ok, great. thanks for the reply.
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There is a way by most likely porting the whole build over. But I'm waiting for the droid2 to come out which is supposed to have ninjablur running on froyo. It should be a very easy port since it's basically an upgraded droid from what I've heard.
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so, now that the droid 2 is out, r u working on a rom?
if I may interject, that may be hard due to the locked bootloader, but stranger things have happened, though I do wonder what you find desirable in blur. Not meant to be rude, it's just that launcher pro payed has awsome homescreen widgets for social networks, and to my knowlede one of the main reasons people root is to rid their phones of forced upon software like blur. Though if it's really uninvasive, I guess I could see how that could be usefull. (oh, btw hardware changes all the time, just because its the droid 2, don't automatically think its an easy port to throw onto the D1) Did you know the Htc Incredible was originally supposed to have 8 gigs of rom, and, I believe like 2 gigs of ram, too. Though you see how that played out, slap the droid label on anything and you can sell about half the actual device to people at the same price, but I digress. Basically, if you really, really want this ported, make some developer friends online, ask nicely on the forums, or, you know, become a rom chef.
Now that a significant number of US carriers (as well as MTS Canada) have released the CDMA Milestone, which is compatible with Verizon Droid firmwares and *not* with GSM Milestone firmwares...
May I suggest a small renaming to reduce confusion?
Motorola Milestone Android Development -> Motorola Milestone (GSM) Android Development
Motorola Droid Android Development -> Motorola Droid (and CDMA Milestone) Android Development
There have already been people who got carried way trying to apply GSM Milestone guides to their CDMA Milestone. Let's reduce the amount of phone bricking =)
Not sure if there are enough ROMs posted to warrant a whole new forum for each. What might be easier, if I implement a requirement for all Devs who post a ROM to indicate either [GSM] or [CDMA] in the thread title.
Which Roms are CDMA? Are there many?
Every CDMA Droid ROM is a potential CDMA Milestone ROM. The hardware is identical other than the fact that they should avoid flashing a Verizon radio. For example, Cellular South Milestone users are able to flash Clockwork Mod, Bugless Beast and Cyanogen, which were all compiled for the Droid. So what I'm saying is we need to point those users to the subforum that is presently labelled Droid, because that's where they will find the compatible development information. It's pointless for them to read information about the GSM Milestone.
Basically it's a Droid with a "Milestone" label on it, just like how the Inspire 4G is a renamed Desire HD, and the "G2 Touch" is a GSM Hero and not a Vision. Posts regarding the CDMA Milestone should be in the Droid forum. Anyone else agree with me here?
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I agree with the forum renaming if they are essentially the same device, but simply need a different radio. No need for separate forums as the difference is no greater than European vs North American GSM Milestones
Sworkhard said:
I agree with the forum renaming if they are essentially the same device, but simply need a different radio. No need for separate forums as the difference is no greater than European vs North American GSM Milestones
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Right, my understanding is: The radio image of Verizon Droid ROMs contains a lock that prevents you from switching the phone's settings to any carrier but Verizon. The rest of the ROM is completely compatible though - ROMs that were written by devs who have never even heard of a CDMA Milestone are fully functional on that phone.
And it seems that just about every regional CDMA carrier has released it now - and with only Android 2.1, to boot - so there are lots of people looking for answers on this forum.
Would making those CDMA rom's be easier if all the devs had the APN's from those carriers? And I agree with the name change.
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I second that!
I totally agree.new title! .. and I was going to ask.*.Developers*...Is there a way you can leave the Apns blank for us CMDA milestones?? Maybe that would be easier than suppling a bunch of different roms? Just and idea.. Ive had trouble replacing the verizon ones..im sure a few others have as well.
I think if you've flashed the Verizon radio, it locks down the APN settings.
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That's what it sounds like to me too.
Tappin' and a Talkin' from my Milestone
But is not the same Milestone CDMA Than DROID?
Diferent is Milestone from Droid
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Ifiuse said:
But is not the same Milestone CDMA Than DROID?
Diferent is Milestone from Droid
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Its not running any Verizon firmware. Doesn't have built in VZW Apps! Its bone stock OS.
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But is not the same Milestone CDMA Than DROID?
Diferent is Milestone from Droid
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CDMA Milestone = Droid, same hardware down to the last detail.
GSM Milestone is a separate category.
Owners of a CDMA Milestone should have a clear indication to proceed directly to the CDMA/Droid section, not the GSM Milestone section.
Ok, so can someone clear up what exactly is the same and whats different?
From what I can understand, it would be good enough to put a [TAG] in the title like [CDMA] or [GMS], or whatever else is different?
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Ok, so can someone clear up what exactly is the same and whats different?
From what I can understand, it would be good enough to put a [TAG] in the title like [CDMA] or [GMS], or whatever else is different?
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No no no. What you're suggesting still involves grouping CDMA Milestone users into the same dev forum as GSM Milestone users. This simply makes no sense. There are currently two dev subforums already, and the CDMA Milestone owners just need to know which one to go to.
What is the same and what is different?
GSM Milestone = Milestone A853 has one set of guts inside, a GSM/HSPA radio, a SIM card holder, and a locked bootloader.
CDMA Milestone = Milestone A854 = Verizon CDMA Droid A855 has a distinct set of guts inside, a CDMA radio, no SIM holder, and an unlocked bootloader. The guts of A854 are the same as A855, and the ROMs are interchangeable except for certain carrier locks.
ROMs for GSM A853 are completely incompatible with the CDMA A854/855 and vice versa.
"Milestone" is just a name - ignore the name, focus on the guts.
Let's take an analogy:
GSM Milestone = Green pepper
CDMA Milestone = Green apple
CDMA Verizon Droid = Red apple
I am suggesting that recipes (ROMs) for the apples should go in one dev subforum; and that recipes for the peppers should go in another. Recipes for red apples work with green apples and vice-versa, so this makes a lot of sense.
You are suggesting that recipes for green peppers and green apples should go into the same forum entitled "green" because they're both green, and then posters can mark the recipes as [pepper] or [apple] accordingly. And then for some reason the red apples get their own forum.
Let's turn the tag idea on the side. How about this:
1) CDMA Milestone/Droid Android Development
Posts that are more specific to the CDMA Milestone are tagged [Milestone]
Posts that are more specific to Verizon are tagged [Droid]
2) GSM Milestone Android Development
No tags needed - the CDMA Milestone users will not stumble into this forum because it's useless to them!
Thanks for clearing that up.
So we have:
GSM Milestone
CDMA Milestone
CDMA Verizon Droid
I still think the best option would be to keep the current structure, and just add a [GSM] or [CDMA] tag in each title of all Milestone threads.
I can see what you're saying in your analogy, but that will go against what users would expect...that would have 2 different "devices based on name" in one dev forum, which clearly wouldn't work.
I'll ask for input from svetius (the User Experience Admin), see what he thinks, as he's the one who looks after the forum structure.
If CDMA Milestone threads are shoved into the GSM Milestone forum, it'll produce a lot more needless duplication and confusion than if they're directed to the Droid forum.
The development forums should be based around grouping together phones with the same hardware that have compatible ROMs. Look at the mess that came out of naming the Galaxy S forums based on the name of the American phones... it leaves Canadian users confused due to the way the names don't match up.
Bell Vibrant = international i9000 with different frequencies
Telus Fascinate = T-Mobile Vibrant with different frequencies
No Canadian equivalent = Verizon Fascinate
The dev forums for those phones would be cleaner and less redundant if they were grouped by hardware rather than name. Instead you get duplicate ROMs being posted across multiple dev forums with tags to remind you that the post is about an HSPA phone with the coincidental same name as a more popular incompatible CDMA model...
So yeah. Let's set a better precedent here.
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If CDMA Milestone threads are shoved into the GSM Milestone forum, it'll produce a lot more needless duplication and confusion than if they're directed to the Droid forum.
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I think I must be missing something then...where are the CDMA Milestone threads at the moment?
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I think I must be missing something then...where are the CDMA Milestone threads at the moment?
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Well, some CDMA Milestone users have found themselves posting in Milestone threads after trying to apply GSM Milestone instructions or in order to ask if these instructions will work on their phone - unsuccessfully of course:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10528179&postcount=78
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=10356536&highlight=cdma#post10356536
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=10097356&highlight=cdma#post10097356
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9604296&postcount=135
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7926606&postcount=24
In many cases I was the one to tell these users "Your phone may be called a Milestone but it's actually a Droid. Go to that forum to help."
And the ones who heeded that advice or managed to figure it out for themselves, posted in the Droid forum:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=912490&highlight=milestone
On other sites some of these threads end up in Droid subforums:
http://www.droidforums.net/forum/hacking-help/81918-cdma-milestone-a854.html
http://www.droidforums.net/forum/hacking-help/112465-2-2-milestone-a854-real.html
http://www.droidforums.net/forum/droid-hacks/95007-cellular-south-milestone-help-please.html
http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/10813-please-help-me/
and the Droid owners are quite helpful in providing advice since they know the hardware already.
http://androidforums.com/motorola-droid/182926-moto-droid-1-identical-milestone.html
...and some of these threads end up in Milestone subforums:
http://www.droidforums.net/forum/motorola-milestone/92415-stock-restore-milestone-a854.html
http://androidforums.com/milestone-all-things-root/181185-can-cellular-south-milestone-rooted.html
http://androidforums.com/motorola-milestone/191489-cdma-milestone.html (in this thread everyone gives *incorrect advice* suggesting the phone would have a locked bootloader)
I haven't seen any ROM updates or development news in some time. I was planning on getting the Nexus anyways, but I at least wanted the phone to have life after I passed it on.
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I've been waiting and hoping. I like my bionic a lot.
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We have liberty, that's enough for me. Liberty was all I ran (I tried others but always went back) on my Droid X, with my thunderbolt I only ran BAMF roms. I would like to see more customizable options like power control widget in the notification pull down.
Unfoetinitaly I agree. Having had the evo 4G and the thunderbolt, Dev for this phone seems dead.
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I disagree. Liberty was released just a few weeks ago, the the30ry dev has released two new ROMS, one of which was just updated yesterday, and eclipse will have a 5.7.893 update here soon. In addition, there are devs working to get ICS working on the bionic, and a CM7 project (although I don't know if that's in the works any longer as they have announced CM9 for January). I will say that few of these devs seem to be active on XDA any more, they're all on droidforums and rootzwiki. But they're out there.
It sounds more like the OP is abandoning the Bionic, not the devs.
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It sounds more like the OP is abandoning the Bionic, not the devs.
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And I never tried to deny it. However, I'm passing on the phone to my girlfriend, and I didn't want her to be SOL when it came to the best part of owning an Android device.
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I think this is just part of the "downtime" between releases. We have an OTA on the way that may or may not have additional compared to whats leaked so a lot of devs IMO are waiting for that OTA to come out and then will update their Roms accordingly.
In addition a lot of 3rd party Roms use CM as a base so until CM is finished being ported to the Bionic, this front will probably remain dead. Once we see CM7 done and CM9 starting, i think you'll start to see a bunch of new roms pop up.
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I think this is just part of the "downtime" between releases. We have an OTA on the way that may or may not have additional compared to whats leaked so a lot of devs IMO are waiting for that OTA to come out and then will update their Roms accordingly.
In addition a lot of 3rd party Roms use CM as a base so until CM is finished being ported to the Bionic, this front will probably remain dead. Once we see CM7 done and CM9 starting, i think you'll start to see a bunch of new roms pop up.
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You're probably right.
Surely the parade of better more exciting devices isn't helping.
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I agree I feel UN loved
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Hmm.....
We're supposed to get the OTA and ICS....No???
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I feel the same way about the Photon, but we are making progress too.
Have you guys been able to unlock your bootloaders without loosing LTE? If so, you are at an advantage, but how many of you have developers with this phone?
There is a locked bootloader. The excellent devs have done most of what can be done without that being unlocked. They are not lazy, they just did so well that there is nothing to change until the bootloader is unlocked or motor/Verizon push ics.
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I understand, I am going through the same thing with my Photon, on Sprint, the Now Network.
The devs definitely haven't given up, the Th3ory T3am is working on getting CM9 to boot and a couple of devs over at DF are going through the source code to see if they can unlock the bootloader right now.
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There is a locked bootloader. The excellent devs have done most of what can be done without that being unlocked. They are not lazy, they just did so well that there is nothing to change until the bootloader is unlocked or motor/Verizon push ics.
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A locked BL isn't as big of a hindrance as people think ... really all it stops you from doing is running a custom kernel. You can still make custom roms and over/underclock. Sure it's not ideal bc you have to deal with 2nd init to run CM but otherwise there is still a lot of flexibility. Liberty, Th3ory and eclipse are perfect testaments to that.
it isn't as long as Motorola continues to create roms with kernals for the newest version of android and only as long as it is rootable. The min one of those two things stop happaning we will need kernel access to continue on
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it isn't as long as Motorola continues to create roms with kernals for the newest version of android and only as long as it is rootable. The min one of those two things stop happaning we will need kernel access to continue on
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That's a good point. I would hope that at that point they would at least have the decency to unlock our BL... but who.knows. I'm holding out hope for project cheesecake ... yum I can smell the creamy goodness...
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The Razr came out, all hyped up, and now half of what you see on the forums is talking about how it's not that much different than the Bionic, and it clearly becomes a subjective issue, mainly based on form factor and pentile rgbw/lcd (bionic) vs pentile rgbg/samoled (razr).
The Gnex will likely be similar once it comes out and people realize that its not that much better either. It has pure ICS, but I bet we'll be seeing some of that by the time the Gnex is released anyway - at least some roms based on that source anyway.
Droid 4 is literally a Razr with a kb.
Rezound is great as well, but nothing tremendously better than these others.
My point is this... All of these new phones have something positive and something negative about them. I don't see any good reason why developers would stop supporting the bionic, as it is technically in the same league as all of these other phones. I don't think I'm being too much of an idealist ... at least that's my hope
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Since this is a Q&A thread, I'm a little curious as to why there is so little support for Sprint. By support I mean the amount of Roms that come out. They're all Ver/ATT/Other companies yet we see little Sprint roms. Am i not looking hard enough? Or is there another place where sprint Moto X Roms are being developed and supported? Or should i just make my own?
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Since this is a Q&A thread, I'm a little curious as to why there is so little support for Sprint. By support I mean the amount of Roms that come out. They're all Ver/ATT/Other companies yet we see little Sprint roms. Am i not looking hard enough? Or is there another place where sprint Moto X Roms are being developed and supported? Or should i just make my own?
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All the roms termed unified will work in all the variants .There are still many roms like PAc PA Cm LS .
Look around for anything US Cellular...You'll feel like you have a million friends here. LOL
Sprint has alot of support almost all the roms work with are phone but we a issue with data dropping randomly and we have to reboot to get it back.
but i dont think any DEV's have a sprint Moto X because there has been no talk of a fix.
i have tried just about every rom that is for all versions of the moto x and they all work great. but the data drop issue we need a fix for.
One of the roms i really really want for sprint it the Eclipse one, but im guessing the problem is that he doesn't have a sprint device to test out a build. There was another one i couldn't think of. Beyond the point though, The problem with most of those roms is that they don't have Active Display, and those that do, aren't that customized like other roms are.