Hey everybody,
Just curious what the development scene looked like for the D4? I need a qwerty keyboard and I'm currently on the D2 with the new update so I no longer have root or ICS which means I'm looking to move on to the latest of the qwerty droid family. However I don't want to get something and find that nobody is working on anything for it, since ultimately I'd like to end up with some version of JB on my phone, I figure since the devs have been able to get ICS onto it that it won't take that much more of an effort to get JB onto it. Is this true or am I just blowing hot air?
I really loved the D4 when I went to mess around with it at the store and will most likely end up getting it since my D2 is at the end of it's life but I figured it get a feel for what the dev scene looked like for the D4.
Cheers!
hockeyhead019 said:
Hey everybody,
Just curious what the development scene looked like for the D4? I need a qwerty keyboard and I'm currently on the D2 with the new update so I no longer have root or ICS which means I'm looking to move on to the latest of the qwerty droid family. However I don't want to get something and find that nobody is working on anything for it, since ultimately I'd like to end up with some version of JB on my phone, I figure since the devs have been able to get ICS onto it that it won't take that much more of an effort to get JB onto it. Is this true or am I just blowing hot air?
I really loved the D4 when I went to mess around with it at the store and will most likely end up getting it since my D2 is at the end of it's life but I figured it get a feel for what the dev scene looked like for the D4.
Cheers!
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Phone has a locked bootloader, which means less dev. Current leaks of ICS work well. Easy enough to root and debloat. Plus Moto was tasteful on the their tweaks to ICS, for the most part it's stock. If your a flash-a-hollic though this is probably not the phone for you as the device has been out for some time and has little support here.
I'm not sure it's quite as bleak as all that. I agree that this is probably not the phone for flashaholics. There is not a ton of dev support but there is some. The ICS leaks pulled from Moto are surprisingly nice. Blur is kept to a minimum and bloat can be easily frozen if not removed. The ICS ROMs based off of the stock GB kernel are a little rough due to trying to run off of a GB kernel. The ICS ROMS built off of the leaked ICS builds are coming along nicely however. The data issues present on the GB builds are all but gone. We have both CM9 and AOKP ports built off the ICS leak and hopefully we'll see a Gummy port based off the leak as well. I too am hoping we'll eventually see a JB build but it's awfully early to be speculating on that. My hope is that, at the least, we'll see working JB builds running off our ICS kernel. Since JB is not a complete overhaul like going from GB to ICS I am hopeful such a build would run well without the same issues we saw running ICS on the GB kernel.
do you think if the Razr gets the JB update, would the Droid 4 get it then?
kwyrt said:
I'm not sure it's quite as bleak as all that. I agree that this is probably not the phone for flashaholics. There is not a ton of dev support but there is some. The ICS leaks pulled from Moto are surprisingly nice. Blur is kept to a minimum and bloat can be easily frozen if not removed. The ICS ROMs based off of the stock GB kernel are a little rough due to trying to run off of a GB kernel. The ICS ROMS built off of the leaked ICS builds are coming along nicely however. The data issues present on the GB builds are all but gone. We have both CM9 and AOKP ports built off the ICS leak and hopefully we'll see a Gummy port based off the leak as well. I too am hoping we'll eventually see a JB build but it's awfully early to be speculating on that. My hope is that, at the least, we'll see working JB builds running off our ICS kernel. Since JB is not a complete overhaul like going from GB to ICS I am hopeful such a build would run well without the same issues we saw running ICS on the GB kernel.
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Not quite sure why you would use bleak in response to either the OP's post or mine, and then proceed to mutter the same things I said afterwards.
Thanks guys, hopefully we'll see a JB port that runs on the ICS kernel
Whatever happened to the kexec exploit? My understanding was people were just waiting for the source of the ICS kernel to drop.
Once that happens, we can do pretty much anything we want
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Been looking around and asking around a lot and most people say that and odexed ota rom (with oc) is fastest. What do you think?
I use kgp nexroid 6.1 oc 1190mhz and that's fast as hell, imho.
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Anybody not on the Latest CM7 Kang is simply insane imo. You hear people with various devices, reporting different levels of success with Cyanogenmod ROMS. That may be true, there may be devices that didn't 'take' so well with that particular Custom ROM!
If there's ever been a device that does enjoy a CM ROM, it's the Nexus One. It's a marriage made in heaven! From day one of owning this phone i had nothing but problems on 'Stock' ROMS. Coming from a Windows Mobile phone, it made my first impressions of Android less than stellar, i can tell you!
I jumped aboard the Cyanogen train the second the CM7 Nightlies began. I've flashed almost every single Nightly since then, without having to once wipe 'Data', without any major issues.. and after at least a hundred Nightlies flashed since then my N1 is as good as anyone could hope it would be!
You couldn't pay me to part with my N1 for anything else on the market right now. You couldn't force me, for love nor money, to use a Galaxy Nexus, or any ICS build right now!
As long as the hardware holds up, i'll be using this phone for years to come. With any luck they'll have to pry it from my cold, dead fingers!
Yeah, but isn't ch33kybutts OxygeN1mod a bit more stable and faster, being essentially the same as CM7? I know its AOSP, but a lot of CM7 things are integrated in that ROM. You should consider trying that out.
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Anybody not on the Latest CM7 Kang is simply insane imo. You hear people with various devices, reporting different levels of success with Cyanogenmod ROMS. That may be true, there may be devices that didn't 'take' so well with that particular Custom ROM!
If there's ever been a device that does enjoy a CM ROM, it's the Nexus One. It's a marriage made in heaven! From day one of owning this phone i had nothing but problems on 'Stock' ROMS. Coming from a Windows Mobile phone, it made my first impressions of Android less than stellar, i can tell you!
I jumped aboard the Cyanogen train the second the CM7 Nightlies began. I've flashed almost every single Nightly since then, without having to once wipe 'Data', without any major issues.. and after at least a hundred Nightlies flashed since then my N1 is as good as anyone could hope it would be!
You couldn't pay me to part with my N1 for anything else on the market right now. You couldn't force me, for love nor money, to use a Galaxy Nexus, or any ICS build right now!
As long as the hardware holds up, i'll be using this phone for years to come. With any luck they'll have to pry it from my cold, dead fingers!
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I didn't even want this phone that much. I simply bought it as I couldn't afford anything better. This does the job well, though I would not say no to a newer and better device.
The other day, I flashed MIUI, and I have made a decision. I will never return to Cyanogenmod 7 again, ever. I simply love the fastness and smoothness of the latest MIUI. Though, I will easily give MIUI up when there's a good-for-everyday-use CM9/ICS ROM out there.
ICS is highly overrated. Had a chance to play with it today, and besides HW acceleration which can't be a bad thing, all the visual changes were as much to my dislike as Gingerbread was. Never got used to those (having Sense 3 on my MT4G, don't need to).
In any case, there's some assumption that stock ROM runs faster, because it's odexed (which means, that the odex files are already there and don't need to be re-created). This is only true for the first run, for the rest it doesn't matter - it only saves space, not having to have all the odexed files on /data.
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ICS is highly overrated. Had a chance to play with it today, and besides HW acceleration which can't be a bad thing, all the visual changes were as much to my dislike as Gingerbread was. Never got used to those (having Sense 3 on my MT4G, don't need to).
In any case, there's some assumption that stock ROM runs faster, because it's odexed (which means, that the odex files are already there and don't need to be re-created). This is only true for the first run, for the rest it doesn't matter - it only saves space, not having to have all the odexed files on /data.
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Your point being?
I won't go to a stock rom as I find custom roms the way to go. I run MIUI and I love it very much. A beautiful and fast rom (I use the fresh on fridays MIUI on miui.us and not that other one)
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Your point being?
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You started the thread by stating that to your understanding, odexed ROMs are faster. I saw that you moved to custom ROMs, and wanted to reassure you that they're just as fast, and non-odexed doesn't mean slower.
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Though, I will easily give MIUI up when there's a good-for-everyday-use CM9/ICS ROM out there.
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This is the other point I was trying to make, ICS might not be worth enough to give up MIUI for it.
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You started the thread by stating that to your understanding, odexed ROMs are faster. I saw that you moved to custom ROMs, and wanted to reassure you that they're just as fast, and non-odexed doesn't mean slower.
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I don't even know what difference odexed and not does as I don't even know the meaning of the word. Secondly, my phone was sent to me pre-flashed with CM7.1.0 stable so I have never used stock software with this phone
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This is the other point I was trying to make, ICS might not be worth enough to give up MIUI for it.
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I think you're right. I've seen videos of what ICS looks like and to me it looks like it's way overhyped. I really like MIUI and what it looks and feels like and to me it's fast and does what I want and gets me through a day's use with the current overclock.
I just want a rom that I can live with, that's fast and smooth. To this date, I haven't found a rom to do just that except MIUI.
Ok, ive had the Droid 4 ever since about a week before it came out. Ive rooted, tried out every ROM that is available. I have decided to unroot until i see further development on this device. Anyways, does anyone know if we are going to start seeing any worthwile ROMs popping up, and if this phone was worth rooting? Thanks in advance.
Once the official ICS update comes out, and brings with it the ICS kernel, you wont see anything more then there already is (which in my opinion is pretty good aside from a few issues). You can only do so much when you try to run ICS on a Gingerbread kernel
So basically, its just going to be ICS ROMs? Will there be any ROM ports or anything? And we wont be seeing anything like what is available for htc phones? Sorry, i switched to the droid 4 from droid incredible, so bear with me.
There are rom ports now (CM9, AOKP, Gummy) but they are missing some functionality due to the underlying Gingerbread kernel. Unless they unlock the bootloaders for moto phones, you will never see the same kind of development like you see for HTC phones aka custom kernels and what not. Once official ICS drops though you will start seeing fully functional ICS based roms for the D4 (aka fully working camera and hardware codecs)
I have the droid3, thinking about getting the droid4. I see that ICS has leaked, why don't the custom ROMs have full function yet then ?
There are a few reasons:
The leaked ICS builds have only been out for about a week.
The primary Droid 4 AOSP developers (i.e. Hashcode) work on ROMs for multiple devices and only have so much time.
The current ICS ROMs are based on the D4 Gingerbread kernel. There is a new kernel in the leaked ICS builds and the ROMs will likely have to be modified accordingly.
cool man thanks. you think it will be updated fully soon ? are there any major hurdles that would have to be jumped?
Hash code is working on a d4 ics version of safe strap as well as an improved ics rom. I am not sure on the specifics of which one or if its going to be all or a totally new rom based on the leaks. the big difference is everything will work, hardware acceleration, face unlock and basically what does not work in the current roms. I would say in about a week or less we should start to see the ics based roms getting pumped out.
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yeaaa awesome. Hash is the best furreal aha. If he makes all the features i know the AOKP rom (fully functional) will be made by someone eventually. thanks for all your help
I would totally upgrade. I had both as well. Screen is better. Keyboard is better. Form factor is better. And it is getting official ics
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I just recently upgraded to the Droid 4 from the Droid 3. It looks and feels better in the hand though there is allot of extra bessel which is kinda annoying (atleast to me) to look at.
Though the new keyboard is sweet, the new shift posistion still messes me up. Plus it's going to be supported more than the Droid 3 because it has 1 gig of ram (official ICS ) and it's 4G (So verizon approves)
4G has been great, so has been playing games. Haven't tried the GPS yet.
So yeah, its worth the upgrade.
Google is expected by some to announce Android 4.1 Jellybean next week along with their Nexus 7 tablet. Besides chrome integration and a new search widget, what do you guys think will be included with this update?
Since its coded 4.1 and not 5, i expect Android ICS devices will be updated to 4.1 as it is pretty soon to updgrade hardware requirements as 1gb is pretty muh still the standard adn most ICS devices have this amount of RAM. This said, do you guys think any developers will begin porting 4.1 to our devices, even with the hardware codecs and other issues still being prevelant? Would you guys really want it like this, half built?
If this update is good, would this persuade you to upgrade to the droid4, as it will have a higher probability of having a completely working port? since it has ICS now leaked and working, and still a high end phone, when not compared to the SIII atleast.
I think our device runs fine on Gingerbread still...
It would be nice for a port but the little development we have now is already stable with gingerbread.
It was leaked that the GNex will be getting 4.1. As for us running it... I would bet large sums of money against it working right.
From RootzWiki: Galaxy Nexus to get Jellybean 4.1
Screenshot proof:
http://rootzwiki.com/uploads/monthly_06_2012/ccs-808-0-41169000-1340388367_thumb.jpg
Although this is the GSM versions pictured, it won't be tough to build it from source for the CDMA GNex before it's pushed.
4.0.3 to 4.0.4 was pushed to most if not all custom ICS roms. I don't see why 4.1 would not follow, unless there are MAJOR changes which from what I've read there really aren't. I would expect Gummy and AOKP to bring it to their roms in the near future.
However I highly doubt it will change how we stand with our current issues and most likely may cause some new ones.
Ehhh gingerbread runs ok on our phones in my opinion, ics was ALOT faster for me. Im using elcipse right now and its fast but my benchmakrs with ics were much higher, os ran smoother too.
That is a good point by the poster above, so that is high hopes of seeing a port even though I know it wont bring any more features than we already have, except the minor changes to the OS. It will be fun to test though. In around 12 hours we will have better knowledgge of what Jwlly Bean has to offer
I'm sorry but what's the point in upgrading if we won't have a proper ICS on D3 anyway?
DoubleYouPee said:
I'm sorry but what's the point in upgrading if we won't have a proper ICS on D3 anyway?
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To make you wanna upgrade even more. I cant wait to get on ics, but since I need video its not gonna happen until I get a new phone
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DoubleYouPee said:
I'm sorry but what's the point in upgrading if we won't have a proper ICS on D3 anyway?
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Some people don't need video camera, like all the ics usersd we have now, and otherxs want to test the new operating system, since we do have safestrap. Id love to test it, even though it wont be my daily
Also, you guys should really check out jellybean. It seems to be a much more complete os.
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I'm working on a kexec based bootloader bypass on droid3. It's coming along and the kernel say half boots. Once it is going I think jellybean is a real possibility. Probably will just skip ICS all togeather.
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I'm working on a kexec based bootloader bypass on droid3. It's coming along and the kernel say half boots. Once it is going I think jellybean is a real possibility. Probably will just skip ICS all togeather.
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thanks! sounds interesting
I saw your post in the kexec thread, I wish I knew how to help with that, I recommend you contact the original kexec developers, (I forgot which phone they were on) to help.
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I hate "half done" anything... i would like to see it completed for our devices however its not persuading me to go to the D4 since i am a new verizon customer and my plan isnt up for renewal for another year.
jonpry said:
I'm working on a kexec based bootloader bypass on droid3. It's coming along and the kernel say half boots. Once it is going I think jellybean is a real possibility. Probably will just skip ICS all togeather.
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Oh really
So if you were able to get custom kernels working does that mean you could use something like a modded Bionic ICS kernel (since its very similar hardware) or would a kernel have to be made from scratch.
The Nexus S is getting an official Jellybean update, and it only has 512MB of memory, just like the Droid3.
I read that memory limitations are what prevented devices like the NexS and the Droid3 from getting properly updated to ICS. I also read that Jellybean probably has looser system requirements than ICS, due to optimizations.
I do hope we can get JellyBean, either officially or otherwise. I'd love to have Google Now and I'm only halfway through my two-year contract.
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Oh really
So if you were able to get custom kernels working does that mean you could use something like a modded Bionic ICS kernel (since its very similar hardware) or would a kernel have to be made from scratch.
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Hashcode already has a custom kernel with the test rom I believe.
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xyzyxx said:
The Nexus S is getting an official Jellybean update, and it only has 512MB of memory, just like the Droid3.
I read that memory limitations are what prevented devices like the NexS and the Droid3 from getting properly updated to ICS. I also read that Jellybean probably has looser system requirements than ICS, due to optimizations.
I do hope we can get JellyBean, either officially or otherwise. I'd love to have Google Now and I'm only halfway through my two-year contract.
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That's crazy, I was wondering whether any singlecore 512MB RAM phone was getting JB.
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Hashcode already has a custom kernel with the test rom I believe.
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Correct. Also he has said that we will be able to get Jellybean. I would imagine with all he has learned this year, he can probably get it fully running now. Hwcodecs may be the showstopper though...again. In theory a workaround may be available since we have a custom kernel.
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Correct. Also he has said that we will be able to get Jellybean. I would imagine with all he has learned this year, he can probably get it fully running now. Hwcodecs may be the showstopper though...again. In theory a workaround may be available since we have a custom kernel.
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Well I assume it will be fully working eventually, i mean why else would he try it this way if the end result exactly as it is now?
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That's crazy, I was wondering whether any singlecore 512MB RAM phone was getting JB.
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512 is enough but I think the issue has something to do with RAM being shared with the GPU so there is less avaliable, I get something around 330MB as total RAM when adding the 2 numbers under running services. My Droid 3 running stock 2.3.4 with bloat frozen is using around 250 MB. My Touchpad with CM9 and a full 1GB of RAM idles at around 300MB of RAM used, and its going to be less conservative on RAM usage since its got a GB.
The point is I don't think a CM9/10 ROM will be much worse than a bloated GB ROM as far as RAM usage goes. I really wish we had some more RAM, but I could see CM9/10 being a daily driver sometime in the future. The rest of the hardware in this phone is still pretty decent and CM should be no problem for it as long as the team can get some drivers working.
So the system requirements for Kitkat have been reduced. considering how JB runs somewhat okay-ish on the OG Droid, I'm optimistic it will run even better.
I'm running Gingerbread right now because of how awesomely stable it is, but I'm thinking that Kitkat could be a legit upgrade for my Droid. Are you looking forward to kitkat?
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So the system requirements for Kitkat have been reduced. considering how JB runs somewhat okay-ish on the OG Droid, I'm optimistic it will run even better.
I'm running Gingerbread right now because of how awesomely stable it is, but I'm thinking that Kitkat could be a legit upgrade for my Droid. Are you looking forward to kitkat?
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A major hurdle for the Droid for running KitKat stably is the same problem that plagues ICS for the Droid is that Ti stopped properly OMAP3430 so the drivers to make things run properly don't really exist. Drivers are the main reason KitKat for the Droid besides condescending the file system to fit on it's ROM memory will be difficult to become stable. This being said it's definitely going to be a fun project to try.
This would be interesting to see. Neat to see some activity here for the og. I keep one around for wifi and recording tunein
I'm hoping somebody gives it a try. I keep my DROID around for a wifi media device and as a MyTracks recorder on my motorcycle rides.
Now that my Gnex has a suitably stable and bug free Kitkat Rom (thanks to Cyanogenmod 11 and Shiny Roms) is anyone working on KitKat for Sholes? Pretty please! Honestly I was never satisfied with Jellybean Sholes and went back to ICS. But KitKat would be a blast, if just for the bragging rights.
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I'm hoping somebody gives it a try. I keep my DROID around for a wifi media device and as a MyTracks recorder on my motorcycle rides.
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me too