I haven't watched the youtube video, but this is promising. I might consider getting an extended warranty for only 19 bucks for this thing!
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I guess 19 is for the 200 version. I got the 16 gig version and the warranty is 27 bucks.
I saw that too but the guy was a little biased. He didn't show the damage the nexus 7 took at the top right corner when they slipped it off the sidewall
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You realize that that was a commercial for SquareTrade, right?
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You realize that that was a commercial for SquareTrade, right?
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After watching the video, yes, I do realize that.
It wasn't entirely scientific, but did give the impression that the iPad is far more vulnerable to impacts on the edge and corners. Probably a result of having the glass bezel go all the way to the outer edge as opposed to the thin trim present on the Nexus.
>It wasn't entirely scientific, but did give the impression that the iPad is far more vulnerable to impacts on the edge and corners
The results are irrelevant. The video's purpose is to heighten your sensitivity to drops and water damage, and conveniently includes a link to remove those fears (at only nominal cost, of course).
Of course the iPad is more vulnerable. It has more mass, which means greater impact from a drop. Its metallic back also has less give than N7's rubber back.
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The results are irrelevant. The video's purpose is to heighten your sensitivity to drops and water damage, and conveniently includes a link to remove those fears (at only nominal cost, of course).
Of course the iPad is more vulnerable. It has more mass, which means greater impact from a drop. Its metallic back also has less give than N7's rubber back.
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This video's purpose was irrelevant. Of course they're trying to sell insurance, so what? The difference between them has little to do with the mass, a 100g sheet of glass will crack when dropped on its edge just like a 200g sheet will. But differences in the design channel the force of impact in different directions, and it seems that on the iPad a lot of that force goes into the glass because it's more exposed. It's perfectly possible to design a rigid metal shell that would absorb more of the impact and deform in a way that wouldn't crack the glass, but that might not be as aesthetically pleasing.
>Of course they're trying to sell insurance, so what?
So it's rather inane to think that the drop comparisons mean anything, which they don't. The drops as already mentioned weren't controlled, which relegate the ensuing damage to random chance. You can play what-if games all you like, but none of your suppositions are reflected in the video.
Your protestations of "possibly" differing construction notwithstanding, it's a rather basic law of physics that a heavier object when dropped will result in a larger impact than a lighter object, c.p. Perhaps iPad is made of sturdier design, but you won't know from this video, or from empty pontifications.
50 Bucks if you want the ADH on the 16gb not to bad...Will be getting it for my wife when I buy her one.
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I saw that too but the guy was a little biased. He didn't show the damage the nexus 7 took at the top right corner when they slipped it off the sidewall
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Noticed that myself: 1:14 "Glass looks okay....." ( edit out screwed up corner ) "Back looks pretty good."
Still its good to hear if I drop this once there is a chance it won't shatter the screen, like every other non-ipad device.
16 Gig is actually 29.99 not 27
I bought my warranty last night. It was 39.99 for 2yrs plus accidental for my 16 gig
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>Of course they're trying to sell insurance, so what?
So it's rather inane to think that the drop comparisons mean anything, which they don't. The drops as already mentioned weren't controlled, which relegate the ensuing damage to random chance. You can play what-if games all you like, but none of your suppositions are reflected in the video.
Your protestations of "possibly" differing construction notwithstanding, it's a rather basic law of physics that a heavier object when dropped will result in a larger impact than a lighter object, c.p. Perhaps iPad is made of sturdier design, but you won't know from this video, or from empty pontifications.
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I'll leave the pontifications to you, you seem quite good at them.
If their aim was just to sell insurance they'd have biased the drops to show the Nexus 7 taking more damage in the hopes of frightening all those new Nexus owners. Obviously. The same people (squaretrade) posted a video a while ago showing that simply attaching a smart cover to an iPad might protect the glass from cracking. (because it will alter the force distribution). Why did they tell people to go and buy a cover instead of buying their insurance?
And there's no 'possible' about it - the construction of the iPad is radically different to the Nexus 7. The iPad is heavier, but most of the difference in weight is due to the larger battery, what matters is the way the glass is mounted (and the actual composition of the glass, which can alter its resistance to breakage by as much as three times).
No-one ever claimed these tests were scientific or controlled, don't know why you're getting your panties in a twist over that.
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I'll leave the pontifications to you, you seem quite good at them.
If their aim was just to sell insurance they'd have biased the drops to show the Nexus 7 taking more damage in the hopes of frightening all those new Nexus owners. Obviously. The same people (squaretrade) posted a video a while ago showing that simply attaching a smart cover to an iPad might protect the glass from cracking. (because it will alter the force distribution). Why did they tell people to go and buy a cover instead of buying their insurance?
And there's no 'possible' about it - the construction of the iPad is radically different to the Nexus 7. The iPad is heavier, but most of the difference in weight is due to the larger battery, what matters is the way the glass is mounted (and the actual composition of the glass, which can alter its resistance to breakage by as much as three times).
No-one ever claimed these tests were scientific or controlled, don't know why you're getting your panties in a twist over that.
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If the "true" purpose of the video is to sell more insurance (only they know for sure) then they most certainly did the right thing by making the iPad look more fragile. Reason being, despite the N7 being a new tablet, the iPad currently have the most market share compared to the N7, and the iPad costs more so there's a higher chance people would want to insure their $500 iPad than their $250 N7.
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I had the price quote based on $250, and not for the total price I paid including tax and shipping. My quote was 26.99.
But just based on pure physics, F=m*a, so of course the Ipad will hit with more force than the n7.
When I went to the check out part, apparently the coverage for accidental drops and whatnot is not included in that warranty. Its an extra $33. But no deductible. I wish I would have known about this place a few weeks ago
>If their aim was just to sell insurance they'd have biased the drops to show the Nexus 7 taking more damage in the hopes of frightening all those new Nexus owners. Obviously.
My, such certitude. It must be nice to know everything.
I'm not blessed with such gifts, but taking this thread as a microcosm, then there apparently is no need to "frighten" the viewers to secure the desired response. Of the 8 people with replies in this thread, two have responded they will be buying a policy, one has looked up pricing (which is halfway there). One has already bought, so we'll exclude him.
The sample size is admittedly small, but two, possibly three, out of 7 is a wonderful conversion rate for an advertisement.
I'll leave my credentials at the door, but I would posit that there is no need to "scare" people. It's enough to heighten their sensitivity to effect the desired behavior.
Additionally, given that this material is directed at the geek set (who tend to be more fanboys than not), then positioning the N7 as the "winner" would more likely secure a favorable reception than if the N7 had come out the "loser." Per selective input, we tend to filter out material we disagree with. HEY, WE KNOW ANDROID AND NEXUS 7 RULE, RIGHT? AND HERE'S YET MORE PROOF. Indeed, some had mentioned of bias in assessing N7's damage.
Yes, the above are suppositions. But they're supported with evidence and reasoning, rather than hot air.
>Why did they tell people to go and buy a cover instead of buying their insurance?
Because that would make it obvious that it's an advertisement. Adverts are most effective when you don't think of them as adverts. Per above, you don't need to hit people on the head with a hammer. A nudge usually works better.
>If the "true" purpose of the video is to sell more insurance (only they know for sure) then they most certainly did the right thing by making the iPad look more fragile.
Actually, no. The target audience for this advert is mainly N7 owners. It's a common tendency for people to check for reviews and comparisons of their new purchases AFTER they buy, to look for affirmation of their choice.
Another tendency is that people are most receptive to buying a policy immediately before or after their main purchase, ie N7 owners at this point. If you've already had your tablet for a while, then you are less likely to buy a policy.
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I'll leave my credentials at the door, but I would posit that there is no need to "scare" people. It's enough to heighten their sensitivity to effect the desired behavior.
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You have credentials? You mean you work in insurance?
It certainly makes sense to capitalise on the popularity of geek-toy-destruction videos and provide something amusing that will get your name in front of people. But it seems an extremely arcane piece of reverse-psychology to purposely rig the results to show tablets surviving all sorts of damage unscathed and claim that will make people want to buy insurance. Why bother buying protection from water damage when you can drop a Nexus 7 in the bath and it'll still work fine? (Er, I really hope no-one actually believes that's OK.)
While I'd agree that people who've just bought a shiny new toy are far more likely to approve of a video that shows said toy beating the competition, wouldn't it make sense to show it suffering some damage? 'Yeah, the Nexus 7 is far tougher than the crappy old iPad, but hey, it can still get a bit dinged up. Don't you want the peace-of-mind that comes with an insurance policy?' Instead, we see people complaining that they're actually trying to hide some minor damage on the Nexus.
I think you're massively over-thinking this. All they wanted to do was make a video people would be interested in watching, so they went outside and filmed themselves dropping a couple of tablets. And that's all there is to it. The iPad's highly-rigid design means it doesn't suffer the issues with screen-lift or creaking that some people are reporting, and the lack of a trim-strip gives it a slightly cleaner line, but it also means it's more vulnerable to impacts - not really surprising.
>But it seems an extremely arcane piece of reverse-psychology to purposely rig the results to show tablets surviving all sorts of damage unscathed and claim that will make people want to buy insurance.
You must have seen a different video than I did.
>All they wanted to do was make a video people would be interested in watching, so they went outside and filmed themselves dropping a couple of tablets. And that's all there is to it.
Why yes of course that's all it is. I'm sure they're just a bunch of fun-loving guys.
>iPad's highly-rigid design means it doesn't suffer the issues with screen-lift or creaking that some people are reporting,
Novel interpretation. Here's a more mundane one: iPad has better build quality.
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I got to spend a good bit of loving time with a friend's Transformer today, and was rather surprised to discover that even with the 10-inch display and long battery life, the weight is shockingly close to the same as the diminutive NC. Why is that?
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In my experience the nook is a heck of a lot lighter than any 10in tab I've held but I've never used a transformer.
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I got to spend a good bit of loving time with a friend's Transformer today, and was rather surprised to discover that even with the 10-inch display and long battery life, the weight is shockingly close to the same as the diminutive NC. Why is that?
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weight: NC 450g Transformer 680g
Because it's filled with love.
A long time ago I worked for a boiler room calling people up to tell them they won "one of five fantastic gifts" ranging from a camera to a new car. Well, because it was a scam the only prize that I ever heard being given out was a Yashita (no, not Yashica the once reputable photographic equipment company) 35mm camera.
Anyway, the crooks that ran the place decided that top sales that night would get one of the "fantastic" Yashita cameras. I was the lucky winner. The heft of the thing was impressive and it even came with an electronic flash!
I was so excited that on the way home from work I bought batteries and some film to try out my prize. A few days later I go to pick up the pictures from the drug store only to my confusion there were no prints in the envelope at all. Every single frame on the negative was black! A note attached that said something to the effect that maybe I should make sure the lens cap is off next time. Arrgh. The first thing I did when I got home was closely inspect the camera for light leaks but started noticing that there were numerous blocks of lead filling voids of the interior which gave a false sense weight (i.e. quality). After seeing that I gave up trying to find the problem as it lived up to the YaSHITa name. A few weeks later the owners of the business skipped town and screwed all of the employees out of that week's pay.
The weight of the Nook Color is probably attributed to the battery and metal framed housing on the back of the unit. The above camera story didn't really have anything to do with this but I wanted to tell it anyway.
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I got to spend a good bit of loving time with a friend's Transformer today, and was rather surprised to discover that even with the 10-inch display and long battery life, the weight is shockingly close to the same as the diminutive NC. Why is that?
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It aint heavy....its my NOOK!!!
there is a kernel script to lower it!
I would say all the weight is in the bezel, my friend has a galaxy tab 7" and it is around 100 grams lighter although it feels more than that when comparing them. I guess the trade off is that I like the look of the nook color more than the galaxy tab 7.
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A long time ago I worked for a boiler room calling people up to tell them they won "one of five fantastic gifts" ranging from a camera to a new car. Well, because it was a scam the only prize that I ever heard being given out was a Yashita (no, not Yashica the once reputable photographic equipment company) 35mm camera.
Anyway, the crooks that ran the place decided that top sales that night would get one of the "fantastic" Yashita cameras. I was the lucky winner. The heft of the thing was impressive and it even came with an electronic flash!
I was so excited that on the way home from work I bought batteries and some film to try out my prize. A few days later I go to pick up the pictures from the drug store only to my confusion there were no prints in the envelope at all. Every single frame on the negative was black! A note attached that said something to the effect that maybe I should make sure the lens cap is off next time. Arrgh. The first thing I did when I got home was closely inspect the camera for light leaks but started noticing that there were numerous blocks of lead filling voids of the interior which gave a false sense weight (i.e. quality). After seeing that I gave up trying to find the problem as it lived up to the YaSHITa name. A few weeks later the owners of the business skipped town and screwed all of the employees out of that week's pay.
The weight of the Nook Color is probably attributed to the battery and metal framed housing on the back of the unit. The above camera story didn't really have anything to do with this but I wanted to tell it anyway.
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lol, nice. by the time i got to the end I had forgotten what the thread was about
I would tell my friends "not to load too much of apps on the NC since they would make it heavy"
It's all in your head. The Transformer weighs in at 25-26 ounces where the nook Color weighs about 15 ounces.
I really don't think so. I haven't actually weighed the devices myself, but I've had 3 people compare them, and nobody believes the Transformer weighs twice as much as the Nook. By feel, they are very nearly identical.
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I really don't think so. I haven't actually weighed the devices myself, but I've had 3 people compare them, and nobody believes the Transformer weighs twice as much as the Nook. By feel, they are very nearly identical.
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lol, it is all in your head and your friends heads as well. My brother has a Transformer and it's the one thing he complains about that it's so much heavier than the nook and doesn't make it ideal for reading.
Having tried both, you can easily feel the difference in weight, and if you can't then you must have one seriously weak arm!!
Just put mine on a very accurate scale and i must have a nook light. Its only 440gm. Guess my nook doesn't need a diet.
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I really don't think so. I haven't actually weighed the devices myself, but I've had 3 people compare them, and nobody believes the Transformer weighs twice as much as the Nook. By feel, they are very nearly identical.
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The perceived weight differences is probably caused by the way in which the two devices are held. Since the nook is smaller, you hold it more with your fingers rather than your palm. If you're conceptualizing the weight via the torque you feel on your wrist then the device more held with the fingers is going to "feel" heavier. The larger device is held more with the palm, thus less torque on the wrist.
Could be completely wrong, but it sure sounds like it could be right.
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...The above camera story didn't really have anything to do with this but I wanted to tell it anyway.
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LMAO, thanks for the read!
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Because it's filled with love.
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Ha ha ha! I love it.
worst thread ever what the crap
Along with how you hold it, the weight is going to be distributed differently between the bigger and smaller device. So if you were say holding it flat on your palm to gauge it's heft, then obviously it's going to feel lighter.
The truth is, if B&N were to make a 10' nook it would most likely be heavier than the transformer. Every review I read for the transformer said it felt cheap compared to other 10' tablets and that it was lighter... Not necessarily a good thing, especially when there was originally a shortage on them.
I had put this information in a post in another thread... somewhere... but I wanted to post it in the open here so as many people can see it as possible.
Link:
http://www.amazon.com/Worldshopping...sories/dp/B008RVE54G/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
My review:
I'm going to try really hard to pull what positives I can out of this review, but beware, there's hardly anything positive to say about it.
First, let's start with the overall feel of the product. The exterior feel of it is quite nice. Nothing to be overly excited about, but it feels decent, moderately durable, jet black color while presenting very little shine. It has a leather-like surface to it, which is quite nice. If you open it up you're presented with a plastic mold that your Nexus 7 attaches to. My Nexus 7 attached to it perfectly and was flush at all corners. I thought it'd be cool to have the swivel 360 feature as this case has, but I didn't expect it to be this terrible. The plastic mold spins freely. Literally. In fact it has extra wobble in it as you spin it, allowing you to spin the mold like a kid's pinwheel. This makes it undeniably frustrating to use when you have the front folded back and you're trying to hold the device in one hand while use the touch screen with your other, as the tablet will continuously shimmy left and right. If you're going to have a swivel function, at least make it so it provides some degree of resistance so it's not THIS movable.
At this point I realized that the "fold" (aka hinge) of this case seemed extremely flimsy. It has absolutely no strength whatsoever, which is weird because the front has some degree of a more durable "cardboard-like" backing to it, but the hinge itself is just completely loose. It feels as pliable as a microfiber cloth - I'm not kidding. This, of course, presented me with some concern about how well it would hold up my tablet when propped up. I'm here to tell you... it sucks. I'm not exaggerating. It won't even prop up my tablet in the majority of scenarios I tried. There's two notches in the front flap of the case which allows the bottom to be cradled and therefore prop it upright. I'll identify them by calling them notch A (closest to the hinge) and notch B (closest to the edge).
Notch A - Horizontal - Tablet stands upright. Hooray!
Notch A - Veritcal - Falls without hesitation. Fail.
Notch B - Horizontal - Falls without hesitation. Fail.
Notch B - Veritcal - Falls without hesitation. Fail.
I can only attribute this to the unbelievably soft/weak material. It just flat out doesn't work. The lack of strength leaves something to be desired. I admittedly got a little excited when I first opened the item because the exterior finish isn't really bad. In fact it's quite decent for a low end product. That alone is the only semi positive thing I was able to draw out of this product. I'm exceptionally disappointed and find the product a complete joke. I would expect (and have first hand seen) better quality tablet cases out of Five Below and other various "everything's 5 bucks" general stores. 15 bucks online? Including another 7-15 to ship this piece of garbage? Are you absolutely insane?
I have to admit, just prior to purchasing this tablet I couldn't help but to think that "Joanna" and "Ashley" (the only other two posted reviews of this product at the time of my purchase) were fake reviews, considering they both haven't posted a review before and both uploaded their review on the exact same date. Seems all too perfect, eh? Well, evidently it was. I'd like to highlight a few key points as these undoubtedly fake reviewers point out:
Joanna claims that: When open, the stand capabilities fully support the weight of the N7 and it is at a pretty good angle for viewing.
No. It doesn't. I can't even begin to express how much this statement enrages me because it is absolutely false. This thing can hardly withstand the weight of my cell phone, let alone my tablet.
Meanwhile, Ashley claims that: I am very accustomed to recognizing build quality, and I have a high level of technology expertise. I have already recommended this case to numerous people, including coworkers that have also purchased a new google nexus 7.
WHAT! You're accustomed to recognizing build quality and think that this thing in any way shape or form demonstrates even the most minuscule degree of build quality?
Look elsewhere. Please. I beg you. I cannot stress this enough. Buy anything else. Really. Anything. i-Blason, Blurex, Moko, rooCase, I've used countless cases - close your eyes, take your pick, you'll be happier off with anything else.
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Thats right folks, the out edge of this that lies around the screen is very, very brittle and thin. I have never dropped the phone and it has been in my spigen leather pouch for my old nexus since I bought it, no idea how it got dented, and its only very slight without scratches but it is definitely there.. just a forewarning.
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Thats right folks, the out edge of this that lies around the screen is very, very brittle and thin. I have never dropped the phone and it has been in my spigen leather pouch for my old nexus since I bought it, no idea how it got dented, and its only very slight without scratches but it is definitely there.. just a forewarning.
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Strange. The Cruzerlite (which are thin TPU cases, cheap in my opinion) drop test stood up to NUMEROUS drops & the device survived without any sign of damage. Not a scratch or dent.
Is you device white or black? My old Nexus 10 had a defect in the black soft touch coating that looked like a dent, but it was more likely an issue in the molding or application process.
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Thats right folks, the out edge of this that lies around the screen is very, very brittle and thin. I have never dropped the phone and it has been in my spigen leather pouch for my old nexus since I bought it, no idea how it got dented, and its only very slight without scratches but it is definitely there.. just a forewarning.
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Pics?
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Pics?
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Mine is the white version, but the dent is on the top right above the camera, on the black portion, right where the side casing touches the glass. I would have a very hard time photographing this because of where it is on the phone/lighting etc.. ill try when I get home though.
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Thats right folks, the out edge of this that lies around the screen is very, very brittle and thin. I have never dropped the phone and it has been in my spigen leather pouch for my old nexus since I bought it, no idea how it got dented, and its only very slight without scratches but it is definitely there.. just a forewarning.
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a picture speaks a thousand words
I have about 5 or so nicks on the sides where the glass and plastic edge meet on my naked white N5. I agree that the plastic used is pretty brittle but it's not noticeable unless you really look for it.
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Get a sufficient case otherwise you can't really complain...
I have one little mark or nick as well where the plastic case meets the glass on that tiny little lip. My 2 year old got a hold of my phone and dropped it on a metal external hard drive case the day I got it and it landed right on 90 degree edge of the case... I went temporarily insane. It is very small but kind of surprised me I guess. I dropped my galaxy S3 many times and never got more than the little hairline scratches you see in glossy plastic. That soft touch coating seems to have some give to it. It was my fault. My parents gave my kids a new ipad mini and I set my phone on top of it. I was in the other room and heard him say "new tablet". I knew at that moment the mistake I had made...
I have one of those really slim cases on the way which would have prevented it. I typically don't use cases and am usually not bothered by the small marks I get on my phones but because some of those ultra thin cases are so slim now days I am going to try one out. Marking up a brand new phone is a little different than one that's a year+ old...
I too, also have a slight dent under the screen bezel part of mine. I have never dropped mine. Noticed it while it was on the table; that the reflection of the curtain was slightly bent at the one area, instead of being completely straight. Looked closely, and sure enough, there was a dent. It's not noticeable during day-to-day use, but you CAN notice it if looking at the reflection it shows.
The chrome bezel on the nexus 4 was susceptible to dents as well.
A few weeks ago the Nexus 5 flew out of my hands and landed on our concrete driveway. I feared the worst, but only a small dent in the upper left corner of the back panel and some scratching is all that happened. Lucky me, but I still hate it. Never had a single blemish on the Nexus 4.
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The sides of this phone are fine, besides the fact that they collect dust like crazy. The screen, however, is not. Another guy posting on Android Central also reported having a dent, similar to mine. I actually think this dent came with my device. I noticed it a couple of weeks ago, but disregarded it, as I thought it was the screen protector that came with the phone, but I decided to remove it and check again. It IS a part of the screen
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The sides of this phone are fine, besides the fact that they collect dust like crazy. The screen, however, is not. Another guy posting on Android Central also reported having a dent, similar to mine. I actually think this dent came with my device. I noticed it a couple of weeks ago, but disregarded it, as I thought it was the screen protector that came with the phone, but I decided to remove it and check again. It IS a part of the screen
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Normal. That's why most early glass screen protectors were not sticking properly.
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Normal. That's why most early glass screen protectors were not sticking properly.
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Normal? How is a dent on the screen normal? My Nexus 10 does not have this, my old Samsung Vibrant does not have this. Why would a dent on a Nexus 5 be normal?
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Normal? How is a dent on the screen normal? My Nexus 10 does not have this, my old Samsung Vibrant does not have this. Why would a dent on a Nexus 5 be normal?
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I would say it's normal because of the following reasons:
1) it doesn't effect the usage of the device in any way
2) it's barely noticeable even in the "perfect" lighting conditions
3) many have reported the exact same thing in the early tempered glass threads; the only time it has ever come up or been noticed.
So why exactly is it a problem for you? Corners were cut to make this phone at a cheap price I would think that's pretty clear. It's also not the screen itself but around it.
Dented
In my N5 have no dent and any scratch..
I love with my N5
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I would say it's normal because of the following reasons:
1) it doesn't effect the usage of the device in any way
2) it's barely noticeable even the "perfect" lighting conditions
3) many have reported the exact same thing in the early tempered glass threads; the only time it has ever come up or been noticed.
So why exactly is it a problem for you? Corners were cut to make this phone at a cheap price I would think that's pretty clear.
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There's a difference between "corners being cut" to make the device cheaper and really poor quality control. I understand them using a less camera module and a lower capacity battery, and a screen that washes out when tilted, etc, but the numerous issues with the hardware is ridiculous. Dents in screen, poor GPS connectivity, Wi-Fi problems, dust under screen, loose vibration motor, rattling buttons, and so on.
There is no reason for hardware bugs like this. To lower the price, lesser powerful hardware is used, but the low price is no excuse for poor quality. Like some users said, in terms of hardware, this device is like an alpha, and the only way to receive the "perfect" device is to continuously RMA.
We paid for the device, we should not be getting so many faults and issues.
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There's a difference between "corners being cut" to make the device cheaper and really poor quality control. I understand them using a less camera module and a lower capacity battery, and a screen that washes out when tilted, etc, but the numerous issues with the hardware is ridiculous. Dents in screen, poor GPS connectivity, Wi-Fi problems, dust under screen, loose vibration motor, rattling buttons, and so on.
There is no reason for hardware bugs like this. To lower the price, lesser powerful hardware is used, but the low price is no excuse for poor quality. Like some users said, in terms of hardware, this device is like an alpha, and the only way to receive the "perfect" device is to continuously RMA.
We paid for the device, we should not be getting so many faults and issues.
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How is it even a defect? It's not even noticeable. No one would consider it a hardware bug except apparently you. Please explain how this effects the usage of your device in any way.
Poor quality control is EXACTLY how corners are cut. Manufacturing anything has margin of errors and the less margin of error you're willing to release the more phones are "thrown away" and the more money a released device will cost. I'd explain more but I'm sure Wikipedia or a Google search can better explain the finer points of manufacturing and quality control then I can.
You read the specs of the phone and it has everything a $700 phone has but it costs $400. How did you think that was accomplished?
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You read the specs of the phone and it has everything a $700 phone has but it costs $400. How did you think that was accomplished?
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There is a lot of discussion about that price... but Google routinely undercuts the competition when it comes to the nexus line (looking at you, 7)
Looking at the specs of the 5, then looking at comparable phones out ing the market, the only conclusion I can come to is that Google is letting these things go at either zero margin, or (my thought) at a fairly beefy loss.... kicking back cash to LG to cover their losses.
All you need to do is look at the other phones available at the same full retail price... does the 5 seem anywhere close to those? Nope, it blows them all out of the water... laughable in most cases. Now, you can cut corners to lower prices, but you can't cut THAT much.
LeoRex said:
There is a lot of discussion about that price... but Google routinely undercuts the competition when it comes to the nexus line (looking at you, 7)
Looking at the specs of the 5, then looking at comparable phones out ing the market, the only conclusion I can come to is that Google is letting these things go at either zero margin, or (my thought) at a fairly beefy loss.... kicking back cash to LG to cover their losses.
All you need to do is look at the other phones available at the same full retail price... does the 5 seem anywhere close to those? Nope, it blows them all out of the water... laughable in most cases. Now, you can cut corners to lower prices, but you can't cut THAT much.
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The actual cost break down might never be known. One thing is for sure though, LG is not willing to take any loss and whatever Google may have paid them "extra" they will still try and build the phone as cheap as they possibly can.
LG does not consider the Nexus as their flagship phone and will never treat it as such. It's a phone they were contracted to build and they will cut every corner they can. It's just business.
Was a very light fall, one that my N5 has survived tons of times. From my pants pocket straight to the cafe floor. Screen is shattered. Very surprised and disappointed by quality of the N6.
Anyway, if I didn't get the insurance with the carrier (which I didn't), am I SOL? Is Google themselves offering a free replacement? I heard some news that they were doing that for the Nexus 5?
xxaarraa said:
Was a very light fall, one that my N5 has survived tons of times. From my pants pocket straight to the cafe floor. Screen is shattered. Very surprised and disappointed by quality of the N6.
Anyway, if I didn't get the insurance with the carrier (which I didn't), am I SOL? Is Google themselves offering a free replacement? I heard some news that they were doing that for the Nexus 5?
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first, why are you disappointed in the quality of the N6 since you dropped it? that's not a quality issue.
second, you may be in luck with google's one time replacement program if you call them. it was pretty widely reported about them doing it for the N5, but i've heard a few blurbs about them doing it with the N6 too. never hurts to call and ask.
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first, why are you disappointed in the quality of the N6 since you dropped it? that's not a quality issue.
second, you may be in luck with google's one time replacement program if you call them. it was pretty widely reported about them doing it for the N5, but i've heard a few blurbs about them doing it with the N6 too. never hurts to call and ask.
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The Google one time replacement was only for phones purchased from the Play Store.
People have had this problem in the past and Motorola was willing to fix the shattered screen for ~$200.
Also agreed with Lucke here, not sure why a person would be disappointed in the quality. Its the user's fault for dropping their phone and not protecting it with a case. Yeah its not as durable as phones in the past like Nokia phones but thats the trade off you have to pay for having a big screen.
All the Nexus 6 fanbois need to take it easy (I am a N6 fan too here). I have been around enough smartphones including past Nexi to say that a light fall from pocket to floor should not shatter the screen. Yeah, that's a usability and 'quality' issue. More of a product design issue if you want to get technical.
The point about google offering a replacement only if it was purchased from playstore - exactly those sorts of intel I was looking for. It then does seem like I am SOL. Will keep you guys posted.
xxaarraa said:
Was a very light fall, one that my N5 has survived tons of times. From my pants pocket straight to the cafe floor. Screen is shattered. Very surprised and disappointed by quality of the N6.
Anyway, if I didn't get the insurance with the carrier (which I didn't), am I SOL? Is Google themselves offering a free replacement? I heard some news that they were doing that for the Nexus 5?
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Did you purchase it at full price using a credit card? If so, check to see if you card offers protection. I know a couple of my cards will cover theft/accidental damage for the first 6 months, and will offer extended warranty (not for accidental damage) for 1 year after manufacturer warranty expires.
One of my other cards will cover damage to the phone as long as I'm paying my cellphone bill using that card.
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xxaarraa said:
All the Nexus 6 fanbois need to take it easy (I am a N6 fan too here). I have been around enough smartphones including past Nexi to say that a light fall from pocket to floor should not shatter the screen. Yeah, that's a usability and 'quality' issue. More of a product design issue if you want to get technical.
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It really depends on how it falls. If it falls face down from a few feet, directly onto a stone, there isn't any screen that won't break. A tempered glass protector may help in those scenarios.
If it falls at an angle, it may survive. If it falls almost vertical, again, the sceen will likely shatter from the side impact.
xxaarraa said:
Was a very light fall, one that my N5 has survived tons of times. From my pants pocket straight to the cafe floor. Screen is shattered. Very surprised and disappointed by quality of the N6.
Anyway, if I didn't get the insurance with the carrier (which I didn't), am I SOL? Is Google themselves offering a free replacement? I heard some news that they were doing that for the Nexus 5?
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You're not SOL - thankfully you asked here on XDA, so that entitles you to a free brand new N6 replacement! Just go ahead and email Moto and link them to this thread and you'll get your new replacement phone shipped overnight!
Of course you're SOL. You could've used Google to search for your answer instead of wasting time here.
xxaarraa said:
All the Nexus 6 fanbois need to take it easy (I am a N6 fan too here). I have been around enough smartphones including past Nexi to say that a light fall from pocket to floor should not shatter the screen. Yeah, that's a usability and 'quality' issue. More of a product design issue if you want to get technical.
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glass can break just from dropping it on the floor? color me surprised.
in other news, grass is green, water is wet and Latinos like Obama's immigration policy
seriously dude, you dropped the phone and you are calling it defective because the glass broke? gorilla glass is not shatter proof like so many people seem to think, it's hardened glass that is scratch resistant (not scratch proof).
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The Google one time replacement was only for phones purchased from the Play Store.
People have had this problem in the past and Motorola was willing to fix the shattered screen for ~$200.
Also agreed with Lucke here, not sure why a person would be disappointed in the quality. Its the user's fault for dropping their phone and not protecting it with a case. Yeah its not as durable as phones in the past like Nokia phones but thats the trade off you have to pay for having a big screen.
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Hey what's this Google One Time Replacement thing? I bought mine from the play store. This info might come in useful later.
xxaarraa said:
All the Nexus 6 fanbois need to take it easy (I am a N6 fan too here). I have been around enough smartphones including past Nexi to say that a light fall from pocket to floor should not shatter the screen. Yeah, that's a usability and 'quality' issue. More of a product design issue if you want to get technical.
The point about google offering a replacement only if it was purchased from playstore - exactly those sorts of intel I was looking for. It then does seem like I am SOL. Will keep you guys posted.
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Lordy. And the n6 has a far larger piece of glass in it than any of those devices. Bigger pieces of anything like glass will break more easily.
Yes you are SOL.
No it isn't a design flaw.
Yes you need to not be a klutz with $700 tablet.
Yes, you need to own and take responsibility for your own screwups.
montez.061- said:
Talking about kicking a man while he down.... Geez. Here's an idea.... PUT INSURANCE ON IT RIGHT NOW... And get it replaced in a couple of weeks
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it's not kicking a man while he's down... he's calling it a defect because his glass screen broke when HE dropped it...
it's similar to me calling my car defective after crashing it into a wall. what did he really think was going to happen?
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Talking about kicking a man while he down.... Geez. Here's an idea.... PUT INSURANCE ON IT RIGHT NOW... And get it replaced in a couple of weeks
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haha, yeah, I am very surprised by the "people" on this thread. I didn't expect this sort of crowd on XDA, I thought people here were nice. What I asked in the thread wasn't anyone's opinion or advice on how to treat my smartphone. I asked for specific content on Google's and Tmobile's policies in this regard.
To all the other fanbois up above, listen up. Yeah, a poorly designed product is one that shatters from a small fall. To the genius above who used a car analogy, yeah, if your Mercedes S-class breaks in half because you nicked your bumper while backing up in your garage, you should rightfully be upset. Anyone who knows product design 101 will know that designing a $700 smartphone that doesn't survive a small fall is poor design. No, I am not *****ing since I dropped my phone and broke it. I actually really like the N6 and would get another one. Realizing a design flaw doesn't mean you can't appreciate all the other good things about the device.
I already called Google and Tmobile, and one of them hooked me up so my replacement phone has already been shipped.. If not for the fanboi attitude on this thread, I would have been happy to share the information. But no thanks.
Happy holidays folks.
xxaarraa said:
haha, yeah, I am very surprised by the "people" on this thread. I didn't expect this sort of crowd on XDA, I thought people here were nice. What I asked in the thread wasn't anyone's opinion or advice on how to treat my smartphone. I asked for specific content on Google's and Tmobile's policies in this regard.
To all the other fanbois up above, listen up. Yeah, a poorly designed product is one that shatters from a small fall. To the genius above who used a car analogy, yeah, if your Mercedes S-class breaks in half because you nicked your bumper while backing up in your garage, you should rightfully be upset. Anyone who knows product design 101 will know that designing a $700 smartphone that doesn't survive a small fall is poor design. No, I am not *****ing since I dropped my phone and broke it. I actually really like the N6 and would get another one. Realizing a design flaw doesn't mean you can't appreciate all the other good things about the device.
I already called Google and Tmobile, and one of them hooked me up so my replacement phone has already been shipped.. If not for the fanboi attitude on this thread, I would have been happy to share the information. But no thanks.
Happy holidays folks.
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Good to hear you got it worked out.
1) We do not support or talk about insurance fraud on XDA.
2) We do not use foul language on XDA.
3) Since this is resolved. Thread Closed.
Coming from S9, Note 10+ and many other older galaxy phones have to say this is absolutely the worst Samsung device I have ever owned.
For those considering, here are reasons why you should strongly think about whether you want to spend the money on this particular model
- Extremely large and heavy device. Doesn't fit in pockets, pulls down pants / shirts it is so heavy
- Extremely unbalanced. Hurts your hand / wrist trying to balance it unless you get a popsocket because it is so top heavy
- Super fragile screen. Low cost panel is super easy to break. Mine broke after 4 weeks of light use in a weird way (half on / half off, intermittant dimming of each display half)
- Loaded with malware. Tons of Samsung malware / adware / spyware to debloat, assuming you get the Exynos
- Back coating for anything but Silver is super easily chipped. Phantom Black chips daily unless you get a case (and increase the size)
- Runs hot. Nice in winter to keep you hands warm but otherwise annoying - any videos or games and expect to feel the heat
- Slow to charge. Super Fast charger takes an hour and a half
- Camera is misleading. Only certain zoom increments work correctly - all others are blurry / basically no improvement relative to s20
While the 10x zoom is sort of cool the reality is that this phone is a lemon compared to other Samsungs or current Apple competition.
Very unrefined effort relative to iphone or better Sammy devices (ex. Note 10+ or Galaxy Alpha) in terms of weight / materials / balance / display.
Likely last Samsung I buy - seriously considering Pixel 5 on GrapheneOS given the litany of hardware and software issues from a super expensive phone you don't really even own.
Interesting perspective. This is my first return to Samsung after writing them off years ago. Outside of the bloat (which can be removed via ADB) and the lack luster camera performance (in comparison to the Pixel line) the phone is solid! It's not any heavier than other similar size devices. It's very fluid and smooth. It's got great hardware and build quality.
If it hurts your wrist... I really can't help you there. Never had such an issue. The balance point in the device is at about the power button so pretty mid phone really.
Most of the weight related comments are subjective. I actually prefer the weight and feel of this device compared to the Note 20 ultra.
You forgot... no SD card slot. No native spen.
And those wretched rounded display corners.
I would at least expect it to be more durable with dog ugly rounded corners. It's a step backward in design and features. I wouldn't buy it for $400.
It wouldn't be the first time I rejected/bypassed a Samsung release.
Samsung has always run hot and cold.
Feel the wuv... just my opinion
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You forgot... no SD card slot. No native spen.
And those wretched rounded display corners.
I would at least expect it to be more durable with dog ugly rounded corners. It's a step backward in design and features. I wouldn't buy it for $400.
It wouldn't be the first time I rejected/bypassed a Samsung release.
Samsung has always run hot and cold.
Feel the wuv... just my opinion
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I was like you once in regards to the near right angled corners of the Note series. It was my favorite aesthetic part of this phone. But maybe boredom got the better of the me. As I'm digging the smooth rounded corners now. It's so nice to hold in the hand nekid. Ooh errr....
The curved edges are less aggressive as well. The s21U with a 6.9" display would have been nice. Roll on the s22U lol. Truth be told, I would have probably been a Huawei guy by now. Now they make some good hardware. But ant competitive practices put an end to their rise to dominance.
PS I'm in the process of removing bloat. Doesn't seem to be as effective on this device. Perhaps disabling isn't as good as uninstalling like what I used to do ?
This is an entirely subjective assessment of the phone. I never had any of these issues and I thoroughly enjoy the experience of the phone. I made sure to do my research before getting this phone and weigh what the important aspects of it vs the not so important aspects. I'm sorry you've had this experience and I hope you get the right device for you next time.
Are your Wrists made out of glass?
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Are your Wrists made out of glass?
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Mine are quite strong surprisingly
Perhaps consider using a belt or jackets with bigger pockets... This phone weighs as much as the iPhone 12 Pro Max and less than the Mi 11 Ultra. If you want the best, you have to accept the weight.
There's no more or less "malware" than any other Samsung device.
What's misleading about the camera? It's got 4 rear cameras each with a specific zoom level.
This sounds like one of those situations where you should've tried out the phone in a store before buying it. Online reviews isn't the same as holding it in your hands.
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Perhaps consider using a belt or jackets with bigger pockets... This phone weighs as much as the iPhone 12 Pro Max and less than the Mi 11 Ultra. If you want the best, you have to accept the weight.
There's no more or less "malware" than any other Samsung device.
What's misleading about the camera? It's got 4 rear cameras each with a specific zoom level.
This sounds like one of those situations where you should've tried out the phone in a store before buying it. Online reviews isn't the same as holding it in your hands.
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Indeed. The issue with the size and weight would've been avoided if he/she had done a physical trial of the phone before buying.
Also, the experience of one doesn't mean the experience of many.
Limeybastard said:
I was like you once in regards to the near right angled corners of the Note series. It was my favorite aesthetic part of this phone. But maybe boredom got the better of the me. As I'm digging the smooth rounded corners now. It's so nice to hold in the hand nekid. Ooh errr....
The curved edges are less aggressive as well. The s21U with a 6.9" display would have been nice. Roll on the s22U lol. Truth be told, I would have probably been a Huawei guy by now. Now they make some good hardware. But ant competitive practices put an end to their rise to dominance.
PS I'm in the process of removing bloat. Doesn't seem to be as effective on this device. Perhaps disabling isn't as good as uninstalling like what I used to do ?
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Which device are you debloating, the 20U right?
I sent you a PM.
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Mine are quite strong surprisingly
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Thousands of Generations of the male anatomy have prepared our wrists for our arch nemesis, The Galaxy S21 Ultra.
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Thousands of Generations of the male anatomy have prepared our wrists for our arch nemesis, The Galaxy S21 Ultra.
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Walk softly and carry a big S21...
Sounds to me like the author of this potentially sarcastic post, really needs a pink iphone 12 mini.....
- Why does everyone think that we all want to hear what they hate about the phone?
- If you hate the phone and want to sell it then sell it and move one.
- This whole show of "Why I don't like this phone", to prove how more superior you are to the people that like the phone.
- Most of the "issues" are not issues just your opinions
- Bullet lists are short and contain little facts as they are meant to be used as agenda or discussion points
- Most people use screen protectors and cases
- If you need to tell strangers why you got rid of something you do not value in a long list of bullet points then you have narcissistic* tendencies.
* is a mental condition in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for excessive attention and admiration, troubled relationships, and a lack of empathy for others
lywyn said:
- Bullet lists are short and contain little facts as they are meant to be used as agenda or discussion points
- Most people use screen protectors and cases
- If you need to tell strangers why you got rid of something you do not value in a long list of bullet points then you have narcissistic* tendencies.
* is a mental condition in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for excessive attention and admiration, troubled relationships, and a lack of empathy for others
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Yes so true, pleaze always use a case.
As for the rest; we were once gods.
Yeah... it's so depressing
Someone's angsty.
lywyn said:
- Why does everyone think that we all want to hear what they hate about the phone?
- If you hate the phone and want to sell it then sell it and move one.
- This whole show of "Why I don't like this phone", to prove how more superior you are to the people that like the phone.
- Most of the "issues" are not issues just your opinions
- Bullet lists are short and contain little facts as they are meant to be used as agenda or discussion points
- Most people use screen protectors and cases
- If you need to tell strangers why you got rid of something you do not value in a long list of bullet points then you have narcissistic* tendencies.
* is a mental condition in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for excessive attention and admiration, troubled relationships, and a lack of empathy for others
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lywyn said:
- Why does everyone think that we all want to hear what they hate about the phone?
- If you hate the phone and want to sell it then sell it and move one.
- This whole show of "Why I don't like this phone", to prove how more superior you are to the people that like the phone.
- Most of the "issues" are not issues just your opinions
- Bullet lists are short and contain little facts as they are meant to be used as agenda or discussion points
- Most people use screen protectors and cases
- If you need to tell strangers why you got rid of something you do not value in a long list of bullet points then you have narcissistic* tendencies.
* is a mental condition in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for excessive attention and admiration, troubled relationships, and a lack of empathy for others
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Can you PM your business card. Cheers.
This thread is going south ...
We got the OP's point. Point !