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Am I the only one here with a Flawless N7?

All this talk about dead pixels,dust, screens coming apart etc. I have not one issue with my Rooted N7 and my First ever tablet .
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I've only had mine for 12hrs so far ..... don't want to jinx anything so I'll leave it at that for now I'll get back to you in a week.

Lord_Xovon said:
All this talk about dead pixels,dust, screens coming apart etc. I have not one issue with my Rooted N7 and my First ever tablet .
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I think most people who get a defective unit complain... while most that don't have no reason to post that they rec'd a great product. I myself have a flawless one as well. Plus 5 of my friends...

I'm about to be on my third and my patience is starting to run thin. May keep the next one regardless and RMA direct with Asus. Scary that I'm actually expecting it to be faulty and hope its broken enough for RMA.
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I have no issues with either of mine (both are 16g pre order units.)
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No issues here.
99% of the noise is either people with WAY out of kilter expectations for a £160 tablet, or are simply Apple shills.
You also have to consider that on forums like this, you will only ever hear from people with problems. Nobody comes here to say things are running fine.
Every device has manufacturing issues for sure, but considering the high numbers of Nexus7 devices shipped, and the rock-bottom pricing, it's actually rather good. Although try telling gutter press reporters like The Register and Engadget this, they will stir up an old crap if it means website hits. Both sites have destroyed their credibility in recent years over desperate fanboy reporting.

Lord_Xovon said:
All this talk about dead pixels,dust, screens coming apart etc. I have not one issue with my Rooted N7 and my First ever tablet .
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Mine is 100% perfect. The couple of people that I know personally with N7's have no issues either. I'm starting to think there is a lot more fiction than fact in these forums.

No issues at all. Screen is flush. Ran a display test and no dead pixels. All is well
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had the thing less than 24 hrs:
screen good no dead pixels or flicker or construction problems
headphone socket seems ok
speaker volume in the normal range
only quandary is which gel case to buy ...

You sure you have a flawless nexus 7? Please make a video and post it here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1789450
Download the multitouch test app, put your tablet on the table and make the axis cross, like in the OP video.
Thank you very much, we really need your feedback to know if we should RMA it. Cheers!

Nope. Mine is flawless.

Another 100% perfect tablet here. This is my first tablet and I have to say that it is unbelievable, especially at this price point. I really think that both the hardware and software on this thing gives us a snapshot into the future of these devices.
I already want to integrate jellybean into some sort of home automation system. With Google Now the possibilities are very cool.

Everything is great except looking on the centre of the left long side the screen is like half a mm lifted but don't mind it and wouldn't have noticed it if I didn't know what to look for
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I to have a good unit. Got paranoid, thought I had dead pixel, but it was a speck of dirt.
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Got to play with a brand new one for a week, flawless.. I've now seen 3 additional units, they look ok as well.
Don't know of anyone personally who has one with any issues yet. None of these people use forums.
Via my HTC Rezound

After a few hours fine so far, touch wood.
No dead/stuck pixels.
No sign of screen lift, though I gather this may not be immediately evident.
Don't notice any ghosting.
Thought headphone socket was broken till I realised you need to push a bit harder than I'm used to on other devices to get them to click in place.
Only small glitch was while undergoing a lot of switching between different wifi options (testing speeds on home wifi, mobile tether blue tooth tether etc) settings force closed and sound stopped working till after reboot.
Free content is junk like I expected.
After unlocking bootloader used another email seem to have a second offering of credit. Didn't have card registered so it says I'll get credit when I register a card. Will wait till I have used first credit and know more about any repercussions for this.
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I got a good one.Everything works well and I am very pleased with it.
Of course I am older that a lot of you guys and might just not be so picky about things that don't matter to me.:laugh:

jaroslavj said:
You sure you have a flawless nexus 7? Please make a video and post it here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1789450
Download the multitouch test app, put your tablet on the table and make the axis cross, like in the OP video.
Thank you very much, we really need your feedback to know if we should RMA it. Cheers!
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Why should someone seek out a defect they wouldn't ordinarily notice or care about? Yes, you can be a hypochondriac when it comes to electronics too. Realistically we all have "something wrong" with us at any given time, and the same thing can be said about your electronic device.
Each and every device (not just N7s) out there has some kind of "minor defect" (and by that I mean doesn't work precisely as the owner might expect). The point is, owner who aren't obsessed about having a "perfect" device don't run 20 different diagnostic apps to try to hunt down that "defect".
I'm not saying every person who complains about a defect is a hypochondriac, there are definitively a select few real issues out there just like their always have been and always will be with every electronic device. However, there are many many more people who will just never be pleased, like those who have had multiple RMAs.

I have had mine since the 17th, no problems yet.
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16 gig pre-order from the PS and I haven't noticed any issues

Gap between bezel and side of phone

I just received my nexus 4 yesterday and immediately noticed that there was a gap between the bezel and side of the phone. This gap is only on the left side of the phone and is directly below the volume rocker. This phone came like this right out of the box.
Is anyone else experiencing the same issue?

Mines fine. Get a bumper and you won't notice either.
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Not me... But if it bugs you, you can request for a replacement.
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soulz said:
Mines fine. Get a bumper and you won't notice either.
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So you are suggesting that I get a $20 accessory to cover up an issue that shouldn't have been there in the first place...
You will probably tell me i'm holding it wrong next.

indianevodriver said:
So you are suggesting that I get a $20 accessory to cover up an issue that shouldn't have been there in the first place...
You will probably tell me i'm holding it wrong next.
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That accessory is currently 50-100$ mind you.
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soulz said:
That accessory is currently 50-100$ mind you.
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Yeah saw those at eBay.
Damn should've bought a N4 + bumper to sell on eBay....

indianevodriver said:
So you are suggesting that I get a $20 accessory to cover up an issue that shouldn't have been there in the first place...
You will probably tell me i'm holding it wrong next.
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Lol to the last sentence. I was not being rude.
My nexus plastic squeak when pressures on the bottom & randomly screen turns on for no reason.
Even with those issue I rather have it still than replace it. ATM since there's huge demand.
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indianevodriver said:
I just received my nexus 4 yesterday and immediately noticed that there was a gap between the bezel and side of the phone. This gap is only on the left side of the phone and is directly below the volume rocker. This phone came like this right out of the box.
Is anyone else experiencing the same issue?
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My N4 doesn't have this issue.
Get an RMA.

I would defiantly get a replacement... looks like someone dropped it!
You can ask Google to let you keep the device until a replacement arrives.

soulz said:
Lol to the last sentence. I was not being rude.
My nexus plastic squeak when pressures on the bottom & randomly screen turns on for no reason.
Even with those issue I rather have it still than replace it. ATM since there's huge demand.
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My fault... I wasn't trying to be rude either, even though I was.
I'm just a bit dumbfounded by everyone's reaction to devices having issues right out of the box. It is sad when a device is so in demand that customers become accustom to issues.
I hope that Google can resolve this issue quickly.

soulz said:
Lol to the last sentence. I was not being rude.
My nexus plastic squeak when pressures on the bottom & randomly screen turns on for no reason.
Even with those issue I rather have it still than replace it. ATM since there's huge demand.
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I think I read somewhere that they have available Nexus 4's set aside specifically for RMA. A plus is you can keep your phone till you get the new one.

intekmdma said:
I think I read somewhere that they have available Nexus 4's set aside specifically for RMA. A plus is you can keep your phone till you get the new one.
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I just called Google and they're issuing me a replacement. The only downside is there's going to be a Nexus 4 hold charge on my credit card.
That aside the procedure is they're going to sent me a device and I'll suppose to return my device when i received it.
Lol, people can easily abuse the RMA by RMA a issue-free Nexus 4 device and selling it/get another.
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Great when trying to process my RMA I get an error
"You are trying to change the Google account used for this transaction. Please sign out and retry the transaction without changing the account."

intekmdma said:
I think I read somewhere that they have available Nexus 4's set aside specifically for RMA. A plus is you can keep your phone till you get the new one.
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no its not going to work for nexus 4 for now at least, I just got my n4 today and found a scratch on the back close to camera. So I call them but they told me to return the phone, they will refund me and I can buy it again when its available lol. there is no more stock guys might be you can just return it and wait

Red Wolf said:
no its not going to work for nexus 4 for now at least, I just got my n4 today and found a scratch on the back close to camera. So I call them but they told me to return the phone, they will refund me and I can buy it again when its available lol. there is no more stock guys might be you can just return it and wait
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I would call again and ask for RMA. My progress is going through and others are as well.
Example: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2007037

Red Wolf said:
no its not going to work for nexus 4 for now at least, I just got my n4 today and found a scratch on the back close to camera. So I call them but they told me to return the phone, they will refund me and I can buy it again when its available lol. there is no more stock guys might be you can just return it and wait
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I was able to order an RMA yesterday... lol

Try tu push it in, maybe it just snapped off

AntonJart said:
Try tu push it in, maybe it just snapped off
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That isn't an option. If you look at the pictures I posted, the plastic next to the volume rocker is actually pushed out about 1mm. If it was still sitting flush with the bezel then I would probably could have just pushed it in.

I wonder what would happen if I kept this RMA phone lol. 299$ no shipping hmm not bad deal.
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Old defect nexus 4 gets remotely deactivated when you start using new phone. It is specially mentioned on Google support website that Google may deactivate defective/stolen phones remotely.
But this can't be true until someone take a risk of 350 bucks and blacklist their own Google account. Mind you Google orders are with Google account, if we don't follow their rules we maybe forced to give them up.
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O **** i see it in the picture. Return it!!!! I gotta go check my nexus for the gap right now!

Review from a former LL3 (Received Yesterday)

So I got my phone yesterday evening at 7pm from the UPS driver and of course it was the latest I had ever received a package!
Anyways, all I have to say is that getting a phone from the "second wave" seems to have been a great thing because I have had ZERO issues at all so far. Right away I looked over the entire phone for any cosmetic defects that have been reported and nothing was found wrong. The screen IMO is amazing and colors look perfect as well. There is NO yellow tint whatsoever and I even had my GF look at it to make sure. Battery is already better than my former Blaze 4G and that's saying something. This phone is definitely a fresh start from the touchwiz ui and made me realize that was really kiddish looking like IOS IMO. The camera takes pictures just fine although I am still trying to figure out all the features on it. The phone got pretty warm on initial start up when all of my apps were being installed from the Play store but after that, normal browsing and such did not make it any warmer than anything i have felt before in other phones. Finally, there is NO buzzing in my earpiece at all, and yes my hearing is good, this again I had my GF check too so I knew I was not crazy.
So honestly, I think that maybe the second wave was produced better or something I really don't know, but I encourage anyone to get this phone if they have been debating because of other peoples "issues". Thanks

That's great to hear. I also ordered a N4 from the second batch and I can't wait for it to be here. Nice review

Mine does rattle. Got it yesterday. But I could care less about that. Loving the phone so far. Just want to be able to order a bumper and get my best skins ever in so I don't worry so much about using it.
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myorks1127 said:
So honestly, I think that maybe the second wave was produced better or something I really don't know, but I encourage anyone to get this phone if they have been debating because of other peoples "issues". Thanks
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Grats on getting your phone; you're gonna love it.
I got mine a week after the initial ordering and my phone is perfect, so I don't know about any second waves or anything like that. There are always going to be phones with manufacturing-related defects; that's why they do exchanges. Don't get hung up on a few people who think their phones are s**t.

MatUK.8 said:
Mine does rattle. Got it yesterday. But I could care less about that. Loving the phone so far. Just want to be able to order a bumper and get my best skins ever in so I don't worry so much about using it.
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Couldn't care less.
http://youtu.be/om7O0MFkmpw

I have my nexus 4 from the first wave ( received it on the 19th) and never got any issues with it.
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Yep, loving mine.
Coming from a s2 and then a s3 I had for 2 weeks.. The things I thought would bother me really don't.
I rooted to restor backups and I love vanilla Android, probably won't even do any rom'ing

I received my phone from the first batch and the only problem i have is that i cant put it down.

sroach23 said:
I received my phone from the first batch and the only problem i have is that i cant put it down.
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+1
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Second wave myself. No issues. I love this phone. Just thinking of how to customize the first page. I can't make it look too much like my old phone.

blaine.hale said:
Couldn't care less.
http://youtu.be/om7O0MFkmpw
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lol

I got my 2 Nexus 4's yesterday. The one seems fine, but I have an issue with the 2nd one. During calls, the earpiece buzzes while making sounds. The earpiece does not make any sounds when it is off like a lot of people seem to report. This is strictly a problem during calls and it sounds like the speaker is blown. It does rattle a bit when I'm putting it on a table or whatnot, but that doesn't really bother me.
Called support yesterday, and they were supposed to send me an e-mail with instructions on sending this one back and getting a replacement, but haven't actually received anything from them.
I seem to have some kind of knack for getting bad phones from Google. I had ordered 2 Galaxy Nexus phones when they came out, and ended up getting a replacement for one of the phones because there was dust in the camera. The replacement had the wifi go out, so I had to get that one replaced. The third one actually had a similar buzzing issue with the earpiece but it wasn't as bad, and I was tired of dealing with them at that point, so I lived with it.

blaine.hale said:
Couldn't care less.
http://youtu.be/om7O0MFkmpw
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Why reply if you don't care? Not sure of what your point is..
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blaine.hale said:
Couldn't care less.
http://youtu.be/om7O0MFkmpw
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Just speaking a link?
sent via xda premium with nexus 7 while waiting for my shiny new Nexus 4!

He's correcting the man's grammar.
Watch the video.

blaine.hale said:
Couldn't care less.
http://youtu.be/om7O0MFkmpw
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I get what you are saying, but he is still literally correct.
I'm sure he could care less, otherwise he wouldn't have an N4. If he cared less:
- he could have not bought the phone
- he could leave it at a bus stop and go on living
- etc. etc.
Now, I'm sure he could care a hell of a lot MORE about it, taking to the internet in fits of rage, driving to Mountain View and knocking on the front door and such. But still, he could also care less.
Just saying.

Received mine yesterday and it has zero flaw. I don't take the mini rattle as one as it comes from the camera (autofocus?) and all the phones I tested since learning that on this forum have it.
For those of you wondering if the bumper is worth 20 euros, it's definitely well made, perfectly fits the look of the phone and prevents the back from direct contact but... well, the phone has a perfect size for my hand and the bumper adds about 0.5 - 0.7 cm in width which makes it awkward to hold. I find myself removing it often when using my phone.
My 2 cents.
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Does your phone have touch sensitive issue?

Most people that received the initial batch also had zero issues. It's basically just a couple squeaky wheels that make things seem worse than they actually are.
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Edit: you would never believe it from the way it looks but I would say majority of the people who ordered on the 13th got the phone within the 3-5 business day quote. Just as an example.

droidmakespwn said:
Most people that received the initial batch also had zero issues. It's basically just a couple squeaky wheels that make things seem worse than they actually are.
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Edit: you would never believe it from the way it looks but I would say majority of the people who ordered on the 13th got the phone within the 3-5 business day quote. Just as an example.
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I don't have any issues whatsoever from the 1st batch. The more you try to look for something to be wrong the higher the chance that something unnoticeable will begin to irritate you lol.

Zero issues with the first batch. But if these phones get better with each batch, imagine the 50th batch!
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[DROP TEST] Gizmo Slip Drop Test Nexus 4

In this drop test the phone survives 2 falls from 4 ft and bounces a few cm. I don't understand why we have some many people complaining about the back, even my phone survives two falls from 2 to 3 ft without case, no a little scratch :S , maybe I'm just lucky... Mmm I don't think so,
Like many other phones the phone doesn't survive face down fall
BTW love this phone. Although I have the little buzzing and rattle, not big deal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGXR2iznbeg

C'mon, provide us a bit of insight into what's in the video. XDA isn't a link sharing website. Do you have an opinion? How does this compare to the half a dozen other drop tests that have been posted?

So..... The back survives a a 4 foot drop but yet we have people "supposedly" having theres crap by just setting it on a counter top...

It survived 2 out of 3, which was better than I had expected. The one that did it in (face down) was brutal; it landed flat on the face.

crachel said:
C'mon, provide us a bit of insight into what's in the video. XDA isn't a link sharing website. Do you have an opinion? How does this compare to the half a dozen other drop tests that have been posted?
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Hehehe Sorry, post edited, maybe it's because my English is not really good

It faired pretty well except for that last drop

So... people who would actually use their phone on a day-to-day basis haven't even received their phones, but yet people like this guy is making YouTube video of drop tests? -_- as cool as it is, definitely not fair to the people who want the phone really badly but are unable to get proper stock of it.

I can't believe the back of the phone did better than the front.
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zephiK said:
So... people who would actually use their phone on a day-to-day basis haven't even received their phones, but yet people like this guy is making YouTube video of drop tests? -_- as cool as it is, definitely not fair to the people who want the phone really badly but are unable to get proper stock of it.
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How's it not fair? One is free to do what they want to their own devices.
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Is very surprised to see the n4 survive the corner n back drop.
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Somairotevoli said:
How's it not fair? One is free to do what they want to their own devices.
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It's called karma especially for the people who buy N4s when they become available for sale just to sell it again on eBay to maximize their profits.
You would say the same exact thing if you didn't have a N4. I personally have one but I'm not selfish like some people here and put myself in OTHER people's shoes as the General forum of N4 is filled with SHIPPING Threads rather than the actual phone experience itself hands on.

zephiK said:
It's called karma especially for the people who buy N4s when they become available for sale just to sell it again on eBay to maximize their profits.
You would say the same exact thing if you didn't have a N4. I personally have one but I'm not selfish like some people here and put myself in OTHER people's shoes as the General forum of N4 is filled with SHIPPING Threads rather than the actual phone experience itself hands on.
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Nah, I don't get jealous over phones.
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Somairotevoli said:
Nah, I don't get jealous over phones.
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Jealous? I don't think it's necessary a sense of jealousy. It's more of a problem with Google's inventory and people aren't getting what they wanted to give as a present, or whatever it may be as N7, N10 is having inventory problems as well. I'm done arguing about this though, I can tell that you're already an arrogant person and just don't get what I was saying. Again, I already have one but many people do not due to inventory problems.
Good day sir.

Now you're personally attacking me? You're assuming a lot. Karma. I look at out this way. A drop test gives one an idea of what kind of protection one may need. More like taking one for the team, IMO.
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He can destroy 10 for all I care. His phones to use or wreck.
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Mine slide off of my desk once and I almost shrieked. Fortunately it survived without a scratch.

I wanna see the drop test with Official bumper

I broke mine on the first drop. Slipped off the table during dinner last night, bunch of cracks in the bottom left corner on the back, and front half has one long crack that has made half the touchscreen useless. Sucks. So disappointed, gone back to Galaxy Nexus. I don't have the heart to buy a new one if it's going to break this easily. I can't even count how many times I dropped my Galaxy Nexus with no issue.

Man, that's harsh.
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Emama said:
I wanna see the drop test with Official bumper
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Lol me to, bumper doesn't feel like it would help that much.
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Is it an upgrade

I ask this as a user of nexus 4 and would like to hear from ex n4 users who have bought the HTC one as it's a lot of money to fork out if it's like for like... of this is not a troll
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Never used a Nexus 4 so can't compare, I did however make the jump up from the HTC One X, a very powerful handset although highly underrated by the general public...
It was a good jump up, I am astounded constantly by my One, sometimes even just picking it up to hold it in my hands, not doing anything with it, just nice to hold it

The-Last-Hylian said:
Never used a Nexus 4 so can't compare, I did however make the jump up from the HTC One X, a very powerful handset although highly underrated by the general public...
It was a good jump up, I am astounded constantly by my One, sometimes even just picking it up to hold it in my hands, not doing anything with it, just nice to hold it
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I feel the same with my n4 mate that's why I need the info on the one
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Nobody else ?
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tonybhoy said:
Nobody else ?
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Buy it. If you don't like it bung it on the 'bay and profit.

compact_bijou said:
Buy it. If you don't like it bung it on the 'bay and profit.
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send me the money and i will otherwise its save or sell my n4 and n7,just wanted to know if its worth it

I think it's a worth while upgrade, I don't believe that you'd regret it.
It might be a good idea to wait for a little bit until the first batches are gone and you can get a 2nd batch handset.
I've got no issues really with mine, it's a decent handset and I love it harder than any phone I've ever owned.
I think the fact that you're asking this in the 'One' threads is a bit hit & miss as we're probably more biased towards getting one than not but then again we can give you an accurate idea of what the handset is like... swings & roundabouts.

tonybhoy said:
send me the money and i will otherwise its save or sell my n4 and n7,just wanted to know if its worth it
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Pikey is as pikey does. If you can't afford the ride you're a spectator
It's well worth an upgrade. It's a step change in design and functionality.

compact_bijou said:
Pikey is as pikey does. If you can't afford the ride you're a spectator
It's well worth an upgrade. It's a step change in design and functionality.
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If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all.

The-Last-Hylian said:
If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all.
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If you can't read the forums, make up your own mind, you're not here to be convinced.
It's well worth an upgrade. It's a step change in design and functionality.

compact_bijou said:
If you can't read the forums, make up your own mind, you're not here to be convinced.
It's well worth an upgrade. It's a step change in design and functionality.
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Perhaps, but it's not an excuse to bash someone who's genuinely asking a question.
I just found your attitude to be reprehensible.

Man up

compact_bijou said:
Man up
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Grow up.

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