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Here is an interesting article about Ice Cream Sandwich and the OMAP processors. It appears that we may be one of the first devices to receive ICS if the source is correct. Would be nice.
http://www.androidcentral.com/notio...mpaign=Feed:+androidcentral+(Android+Central)
Hmmm...if that source is right maybe we'll be jumping from Froyo straight to ICS?
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Skipping GB and going straight to ICS would be nice, but I think LG is gonna ruin it with their crappy UI.
It should also be noted that the Nexus Prime is rumored to have a OMAP4460 in contrast to our OMAP4430. According to this, the main difference is the 4460 runs at 1.5 GHz, and supports 1080p Stereoscopic 3D and 12 MP stereo (dual cameras).
Killer Bee said:
Skipping GB and going straight to ICS would be nice, but I think LG is gonna ruin it with their crappy UI.
It should also be noted that the Nexus Prime is rumored to have a OMAP4460 in contrast to our OMAP4430. According to this, the main difference is the 4460 runs at 1.5 GHz, and supports 1080p Stereoscopic 3D and 12 MP stereo (dual cameras).
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That's where the CM team comes in. Can you say Cyanogenmod 8? ill just be happy when kernel.org comes back up so that we can possibly atleast get CM7 developed for the Thrill.
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Thats right, CM7 is already in development for the O3D. A port (if needed) probably wouldn't difficult at all.
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Thats right, CM7 is already in development for the O3D. A port (if needed) probably wouldn't difficult at all.
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I just loaded it up tonight and the only issues are the couple things that dont work for the Optimus 3D and no 4G (3.10mb down/1.08mb up avg) The camera is really the only thing thats bothering me...i love to show that feature off
I am wondering if the LG OB hardware specs will be enough to have a fluid experience running ICS. Given that this device has only 512MB of RAM and a single core 1GHz CPU, do you guys think we could have an overall good experience running ICS (e.g. no lagging)? CPU IMO seems to be the least of the concerns, but what about the RAM capacity? I've read somewhere sometime ago that Google stated that any GB capable device, would run ICS with no issues, but I've also read in a forum that 512MB is the minimum required to run it so we might be on the edge. What do you guys think?
Important: This is not a thread to discuss whether or not LG will be pushing out the ICS update or when so let's try to be focused on the topic.
I am certain the Optimus Black has adequate hardware capabilities to handle ICS.
Apart from CPU and Ram, GPU is the next criteria for ICS which demand 2D acceleration to be handle by the GPU.
It is just up to LG / Cyanogenmod community to bring it to life.
it can handle...otherwise it wouldnt get the official update!
Keep one thing in mind that :
"Any device that can run Gingerbread can also run ICS" (according to google).
Its not possible when we have useless TouchWiz like Samsung bcoz it takes alot of RAM
I actually sold my Galaxy Tab when I heard that Samsung will not be releasing ICS for Galaxy S or Tab while it was only 9 months old !
So its useless to have a device that has no future support from manufacturer.
Millions of units of Galaxy Tab & Galaxy S were sold worldwide & Samsung embarrassed millions of user by just making excuses
Plus if mid-range Sony Ericsson phones can run ICS (via official update) then why now Optimus Black?
Come on guys it has 1GHz CPU.
omr911 said:
Come on guys it has 1GHz CPU.
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Well technically the Black doesn't have 1 Ghz processor, it's just factory overclocked to reach that.
As for ICS, I wouldn't expect the official update to be out until 2013
I think the OB can handle ICS very well.
If the GT540 (my old phone) is able to run ICS (still BETA but it works) then
i see no difficulty in running ICS on the OB.
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I think the OB can handle ICS very well.
If the GT540 (my old phone) is able to run ICS (still BETA but it works) then
i see no difficulty in running ICS on the OB.
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OB is certainly able to handle ICS since Nexus S is able to use 4.0 with the same specification to OB. (1GHz CPU, 512MB Ram, but more powerful GPU SGX540)
yes, Galaxy S has some full working ICS ports, also on Galaxy SL i9003, which has the same hardware as our OB, there are some devs working on ICS
Theoretically yes. But will there be a stable and usable ics rom is another question. I am pretty sure before that I would be with another newer phone already. Now let's enjoy gingerbread first.
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ICS needs 1ghz cpu & 512 mb gpu. the black has both. i don't know what will happen with the stock ics as it will have the lg bloatware & the optimus ui, but with AOSP projects and trees like cyanogenmod,i think it can not only run,but run very well on our black.
and btw, the black uses tiomap 3630 & cortex a8 combo, i think it's stock 1ghz and NOT factory overclocked. the 3610 chipset would have been overclocked 2 get 1ghz, not 3630.
My Nexus S runs ICS AOSP+ 4.0.3 + M4trix Kernel flawlessly & very smooth. I also can OB & NS have similar hardware configuration, so it must be supported! CM9 already on its way afaik
I think OB can handle it as LG stated it in their schedule of ICS upgrade for their optimus phones.
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i think it's stock 1ghz and NOT factory overclocked. the 3610 chipset would have been overclocked 2 get 1ghz, not 3630.
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If you peek at knzo's notes while developing his Nova, it is factory overclocked which it explains why the Black is never stable when overclocked to 1.2Ghz and above. Here's another android phone using the very same processor clocked at the stock speed: Defy.
Just to be clear I'm not sourgraping but CM9 may just be our only hope for ICS (at least ICS before the end of 2012).
Since there is an ICS Beta avaiable for the GT540 (600Mhz) i think the OB will do just fine
now who went on to tell you ics requires 1ghz and 512mb... google for android developer phones and you will be surprised at the minimum spec needed for ics... these are the phones on which fw are developed and it is required that fw runs on them smoothly... the minimum reqs are so low that even 600ghz 256mb can handle it...
ps:no gpu required too
Ricardo said that every device with 512 MB ram and more will be supported by CyanogenMod
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in regard to my previous post (2 posts up) current dev phone is htc magic with only 192mb ram (unlike the 288mb that aired the market) and 528mhz arm cpu so that means ics was developed and should run on it. The galaxy nexus is the advanced dev phone and that is a totally different matter. This means that black will be more than adequate to run ICS compared to the htc magic's specs... It would be lame to asume that google is developing towards the high end users as even as we speak 1ghz is starting to become the standard on market and still it isnt if you look at the low end devices that are released out there still... There will be still some time till 1ghz/512 ram are considered the standard (not by users but by companies that is) so it is safe to assume that you will be ok for quite some time with black (and me with o3d). Hell my kid's huawei joy (aka vodafone joy845) has beta versions of ICS running and it is th lamest phone I ever layed my hands on.
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If you peek at knzo's notes while developing his Nova, it is factory overclocked which it explains why the Black is never stable when overclocked to 1.2Ghz and above. Here's another android phone using the very same processor clocked at the stock speed: Defy.
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from wikipedia (emphasis added):
3630-800MHz(underclocked): Motorola Bravo, Motorola Defy;[6]
3630-1000MHz(Default Speed): Nokia N9, Nokia N950, Sony Ericsson Vivaz, Motorola Milestone 2,Motorola Cliq 2, Motorola Defy+, Palm Pre 2, Droid X, Droid 2, Archos 101, Archos 70, Archos 43, Archos 32, Archos 28, LG Optimus Black, LG Optimus bright L-07C, Samsung I9003 Galaxy S(C)L, SAMSUNG GALAXY 7 TAB (P1010) Wifi Only, LG-LU3000 Optimus Mach, Panasonic P-07C, Panasonic Sweety 003P
3630-1200MHz(overclocked): Motorola Droid 2 Global
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I had heard that Nvidia hasn't released some drivers/source code for ICS and hence ICS is not possible on tegra devices !!
If that is so, then how some ICS roms like owains and hei's have came up - ?
Also i read a post nearly 4 weeks ago in dev section that Nvidia has released the source code...!!
Will someone help to clear my confusion whether all drivers have been released or not
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Because we have good devs doing good work here in xda and among the cyanogen team.
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I had heard that Nvidia hasn't released some drivers/source code for ICS and hence ICS is not possible on tegra devices !!
If that is so, then how some ICS roms like owains and hei's have came up - ?
Also i read a post nearly 4 weeks ago in dev section that Nvidia has released the source code...!!
Will someone help to clear my confusion whether all drivers have been released or not
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they are not released otherwise we did have full hardware accelaration now
but hey we got arcee the cyanogenmod maintainer of the p990 and he is really awesome!!
I don't 100% understand the matter, but does this mean something good for us?
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Nvid...-is-there-hope-for-driver-development_id27845
Would be very much appreciated if a developer close to the matter say something about this
silentmelodies said:
I don't 100% understand the matter, but does this mean something good for us?
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Nvid...-is-there-hope-for-driver-development_id27845
Would be very much appreciated if a developer close to the matter say something about this
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well they said they will be givin us ics blobs
sources will ofc be much better but we are also happy with blobs
Hmm...Thank god we have such great hard working Devz
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Also i wanted to know one more thing -
What is NEON ??
i wanyed to use screencapture software which said that NEON is not supported by processor
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Also i wanted to know one more thing -
What is NEON ??
i wanyed to use screencapture software which said that NEON is not supported by processor
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NEON is hardware base floating point emulation which is released in cortex-a8 and in some cortex-a9. for example processor used in Samsung Galaxy S. We have software based vfpv3 vectorization in o2x. HW accelated NEON could work much better in many aspects like video decoding etc.
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NEON is hardware base floating point emulation which is released in cortex-a8 and in some cortex-a9. for example processor used in Samsung Galaxy S. We have software based vfpv3 vectorization in o2x. HW accelated NEON could work much better in many aspects like video decoding etc.
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It is a shame that neon isn't supported by the Tegra 2
Tegra 2 series
The second generation Tegra SoC has a dual-core ARM Cortex-A9 CPU (lacking ARMs advanced SIMD extension, marketed as NEON), an ultra low power (ULP) GeForce GPU with 4 pixel shaders + 4 vertex shaders,[14] a single-channel memory controller with either LPDDR2 at 600 MHz or DDR2 at 667 MHz, a 32KB/32KB L1 cache per core and a shared 1MB L2 cache.[15] There is also a version of the SoC supporting 3D displays; this SoC uses a higher clocked CPU and GPU.
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ICS related discussions here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1347118
a friend got a HTC ONE X which is using Tegra3. Just so so.
Yes, because ICS is not optimized for quad core. Plus, it is Tegra 3 which means no support.
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OP, you're not making yourself clear. Please elaborate.
kaspar737 said:
Yes, because ICS is not optimized for quad core.
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Sorry, but how is that so? What is your definition of an OS not being "optimized" for multiple cores? Based on my limited knowledge, kernels take control of the activation and deactivation of the cores, and the apps themself are the ones that are supposed to "take advantage" of the cores.
How is an OS supposed be "optimized" for a quad core CPU?
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a friend got a HTC ONE X which is using Tegra3. Just so so.
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Now I think buying a tegra inside device is not a good idea, the same with lg.
kaspar737 said:
Yes, because ICS is not optimized for quad core. Plus, it is Tegra 3 which means no support.
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That is up there with some of the stupidest things iv ever read.
I think the Android ecosystem is so complex that occasional lags are bound to happen even if we reach a point of using 8 cores on a smartphone. (And that, is why iOS is so smooth with slower hardware. It's a simpler OS.)
But the Tegra3 pretty much leaves everyone in the dust when it comes to games.
But when it comes to support... oh noes
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But when it comes to support... oh noes
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The international version of the HTC One X with Tegra 3 has already gotten its full sources released a while ago.
At least it seems Nvidia isn't as unsupportive as we think they are. LG, apparently, is the one that is holding back from releasing sources for us.
Yea, but when Android 5 comes out then I hope that they will release all the necessary stuff. That may make me think better about Nvidia.
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The international version of the HTC One X with Tegra 3 has already gotten its full sources released a while ago.
At least it seems Nvidia isn't as unsupportive as we think they are. LG, apparently, is the one that is holding back from releasing sources for us.
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With nvidia drivers and hals to the public?
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a friend got a HTC ONE X which is using Tegra3. Just so so.
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ok good for you
now i am goign to enjoy my Quad Core phone again okay?
What is the point of this thread? As for desktop PC's, more cores = better (most of the time). Since dual cores work just fine in both GB and ICS the same goes for quad cores. And NO, quad cores don't mean less battery duration.
Maybe he is just jeaulous but i dont think a phone needs quad core. For web browsing and watching videos (well.. lol tegra 2 ) some gameing. dual core is more than enough. As i mentiond some time ago in other thread this reminds me of megapixel hunt in compact digital cameras market.
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a friend got a HTC ONE X which is using Tegra3. Just so so.
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And what was the purpose of posting it here? do you want to make an excuse that quadcore isn't nowhere near better than dualcore?
I agree with someone said quadcore isn't really important for mobile phone. If only O2x have more than 512 MB RAM I bet it will last for next 2-3 years
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And what was the purpose of posting it here? do you want to make an excuse that quadcore isn't nowhere near better than dualcore?
I agree with someone said quadcore isn't really important for mobile phone. If only O2x have more than 512 MB RAM I bet it will last for next 2-3 years
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It can still last for 2-3 years, you just wont be able to multitask when playing games so much in the future.
quadcores will be **** if they dont have that 5th core for when there isnt much going on or they will chew through battery.
The new huwai something has its own quadcore and it smashes all cuurent quad cores in benchmarks, tegra 3 the exenos ect. But if it doesnt have that 5th core it will probably be bad. Its said to come with a 2300mah battery.
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It can still last for 2-3 years, you just wont be able to multitask when playing games so much in the future.
quadcores will be **** if they dont have that 5th core for when there isnt much going on or they will chew through battery.
The new huwai something has its own quadcore and it smashes all cuurent quad cores in benchmarks, tegra 3 the exenos ect. But if it doesnt have that 5th core it will probably be bad. Its said to come with a 2300mah battery.
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But branding sometimes matter. Market rarely pay attention to a brand like Huawei,compared to samsung. I heard Meizu MX also decent but yeah it has the same market problem
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Durio said:
But branding sometimes matter. Market rarely pay attention to a brand like Huawei,compared to samsung. I heard Meizu MX also decent but yeah it has the same market problem
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The Meizu MX Quad has pretty good specs (including the same Exynos 4212 in the S3), but is sold only in China. It's not meant to compete internationally.
Most useless thread ever.
My HTC one x is a hundred times better than my o2x was
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Kickasskev said:
My HTC one x is a hundred times better than my o2x was
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and o2x is hundred times cheaper...common sense
Please don't consider it as a "another ICS blah blah... thread"
Just check this product from HTC:
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_desire_c-4759.php
Processor: 600
Resolution: 320 x 480 pixels
So Our SGA is way better than this phone by HTC. The most interesting feature for this phone is "OS Android OS, v4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich)"
On Xda, some days before I read a thread where expert developer confidently said that "Ice Cream Sandwich requires more processing frequency than that of SGA which is 800 and even it can not run on overclocking. So guys just forget about ICS on SGA."
So now what you guys wanna say?? If this HTC handset can RUN official ICS on 600 then why not our SGA??
Your clarification will help all of us!!
Regards,
Adwait
This has been said and discussed a lot of times here TBH.
regardless of whatever someone says our ACE is capable of running ICS but samsung SIMPLY REFUSE to support their older devices and so the fact of the matter is we will NOT GET OFFICIAL ICS. CM9 and AOKP is our best bet.
but can't we use the ICS of this HTC handset to port for our SGA?? CM9 is really a good option but it's modification! I mean to say stock 4.0 for SGA
That device uses cortex A8(armv7) processor,+512 mb ram.And ace has 278 user available ram+armv6 processor.Stock ICS needs 384 mb user available ram to correctly use/render API level 14 of 4.0.CM9 by galaxyics uses binary patches and kernel hacks if you see their sources.Therefore the performance boost ICS gives,is not visible because API level 14 neccessities are not met.Moreover i consider CM9 for ace just eyecandy(thats personal opinion).And I am pretty satisfied by gingerbread.Android 4 for ace would have made sense if it had 500+mb ram and 1ghz+ armv7 processor.What use is an OS if it reduces performance of your device
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That device uses cortex A8(armv7) processor,+512 mb ram.And ace has 278 user available ram+armv6 processor.Stock ICS needs 384 mb user available ram to correctly use/render API level 14 of 4.0.CM9 by galaxyics uses binary patches and kernel hacks if you see their sources.Therefore the performance boost ICS gives,is not visible because API level 14 neccessities are not met.Moreover i consider CM9 for ace just eyecandy(thats personal opinion).And I am pretty satisfied by gingerbread.Android 4 for ace would have made sense if it had 500+mb ram and 1ghz+ armv7 processor.What use is an OS if it reduces performance of your device
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oh gr8!! Now this reply satisfied my question!! Thanks a ton!!
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That device uses cortex A8(armv7) processor,+512 mb ram.And ace has 278 user available ram+armv6 processor.Stock ICS needs 384 mb user available ram to correctly use/render API level 14 of 4.0.CM9 by galaxyics uses binary patches and kernel hacks if you see their sources.Therefore the performance boost ICS gives,is not visible because API level 14 neccessities are not met.Moreover i consider CM9 for ace just eyecandy(thats personal opinion).And I am pretty satisfied by gingerbread.Android 4 for ace would have made sense if it had 500+mb ram and 1ghz+ armv7 processor.What use is an OS if it reduces performance of your device
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This....Its not just the processing power that decides the performances.armv6 is pretty extinct now,no more support.
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according to samsung even galaxy s is not capable so
dont buy samsung mid range from next time thats only solution
Prawesome said:
This....Its not just the processing power that decides the performances.armv6 is pretty extinct now,no more support.
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Samsung devs and others are forget the armv6 devices they carrier into armv7. for me armv6 are same good as armv7 you right they not support the armv6 now its like a garbage.. zzz
+1 Never buy a mid and low range Samsung device. Go for Sony.
This was sent from my Galaxy Ace, but who cares?
nims11 said:
according to samsung even galaxy s is not capable so
dont buy samsung mid range from next time thats only solution
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yeah..they stated Device dont have enough ram to support tw4
side_effect said:
yeah..they stated Device dont have enough ram to support tw4
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but galaxy s already have port of s2 tw4 ics rom
Well its ol bull**** coz i have SGfit and running cm9 successfully its really smooth i use it fr daily use.....
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maxcool12345 said:
Well its ol bull**** coz i have SGfit and running cm9 successfully its really smooth i use it fr daily use.....
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camera works?
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Thnkz to mclaw
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nims11 said:
but galaxy s already have port of s2 tw4 ics rom
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XDA rulez..!!BTW you did paranoid android?
side_effect said:
XDA rulez..!!BTW you did paranoid android?
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yep but its not good for our small screen
Aww sad..
side_effect said:
Aww sad..
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not sad if you have not problem with small layout then no problem as due to small screen in tablet mode stuff looks small so if you have problem you can choose phone ui then all stuff will be same as cm9
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not sad if you have not problem with small layout then no problem as due to small screen in tablet mode stuff looks small so if you have problem you can choose phone ui then all stuff will be same as cm9
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any plans to release it?may with a suitable dpi we can adjust it little bit
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any plans to release it?may with a suitable dpi we can adjust it little bit
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if all want then will realese after beta9