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This is the closest forum I found to ask this question...
It's supposed to be priced at $400. Which makes it $150 more than, the Nook Color.
If this is true, you gain dual-core processors, 1GB RAM, 10.1" IPS display, and a removable keyboard (Assuming- it's factored into the $400).
Smashing good deal, I'd say.
However- my main complaint of all tablets (at least in this price range)... Is they don't run a full OS. The hardware on the Eee Pad Transformer suggest to me, it could viably run Windows on it in a dual-boot situation... I was just wondering if anyone had heard anything on doing this?
If so- it makes this an amazing device.
The problem with Windows is that the GUI and applications are designed around mouse usage. This will be an issue with any OS GUI not designed around touch. So it won't be as amazing as you think. Consider how difficult it will be to use toolbars with tiny buttons, use the taskbar (tiny icons), select things in dropdown menus, etc. You'd really need a stylus to get anywhere.
I suggest you look at netbooks if you want Windows. I have an EeePC 900 that I've been using for years and frankly it is vastly more usable than tablets thus far for a number of reasons.
There's no way to run Windows on a Tegra 2 or any other ARM-based platform except maybe through emulation. Also, the $400 price point for the Transformer would not include the keyboard.
Actually Windows 7 was designed with touch input in mind so while your statement might hold true to XP and earlier, you obviously haven't used Windows 7
I'm not worried about if Windows will work on a touch device as much as... Hardware support and if it's even possible (how it'd boot from a flash drive, for example)
AZImmortal said:
There's no way to run Windows on a Tegra 2 or any other ARM-based platform except maybe through emulation. Also, the $400 price point for the Transformer would not include the keyboard.
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OK- this is what I was looking for. So it won't run on Tegra 2...... Answers my question.
I am with you: I wouldn't assume the $400 included it but I've seen some product pages to suggest otherwise, I'm waiting to see. Even if the keyboard cost $100... Putting it the same price as the iPad... A tablet with no keyboard or a tablet with a keyboard: no brainer- the Eee Pad still gets the edge.
TexUs said:
Actually Windows 7 was designed with touch input in mind so while your statement might hold true to XP and earlier, you obviously haven't used Windows 7
I'm not worried about if Windows will work on a touch device as much as... Hardware support and if it's even possible (how it'd boot from a flash drive, for example)
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I use Windows XP, Vista and 7 every day, but I haven't touched a Win7 tablet PC. Windows 7 might be designed for touch but the applications, the whole reason to use Windows over another OS, will still be a problem. Not many apps are designed with touch in mind.
My EeePC 900 uses "flash drives" to boot Windows. it has a 4GB and 16GB SSD. It's pretty quick even though the SSDs are slow. It's that instant access time and relatively quick read speed, but the write speed is awful. Or are you referring to booting from SD? Which would probably entail some sort of fancy bootloader.... It is possible to boot Windows from USB so SD may be possible.
swaaye said:
I use Windows XP, Vista and 7 every day, but I haven't touched a Win7 tablet PC. Windows 7 might be designed for touch but the applications, the whole reason to use Windows over another OS, will still be a problem. Not many apps are designed with touch in mind.
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That's true but that's where the keyboard and touchpad picks up the slack.....
For 95% of people- Microsoft products (IE: designed with the touch in mind now) are fine.
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My EeePC 900 uses "flash drives" to boot Windows. it has a 4GB and 16GB SSD. It's pretty quick even though the SSDs are slow. It's that instant access time and relatively quick read speed, but the write speed is awful. Or are you referring to booting from SD? Which would probably entail some sort of fancy bootloader.... It is possible to boot Windows from USB so SD may be possible.
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I'm not sure how this device works (the bootloader) which is why I questioned the possibility anyway. Kindof a moot point if Windows won't run on a Tegra 2.
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Kindof a moot point if Windows won't run on a Tegra 2.
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I guess so.
Personally I've been hoping for a new 9" netbook with better hardware than my EeePC 900. Unfortunately none of the companies seems to want to build anything smaller than 10" now.
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I guess so.
Personally I've been hoping for a new 9" netbook with better hardware than my EeePC 900. Unfortunately none of the companies seems to want to build anything smaller than 10" now.
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I think 10" is a good size, myself.
7" is fantastic size as well, but it's too big for one handed typing and too small for two handed so... It's an awkward size. 10" is perfect IMO.
I have an EEE 1005HA and had a EEE 900? There is a big diffrence in size. IMHO the 1005 form factor is the best ballance for useabillity and portability.
Dell has a flip screen netbook / tablet that looks intersting but the price point is high, the reviews are low, so I have not considered it.
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What about Windows 7 is significantly different from XP in the context of touch input?
I'm certainly intrigued by the Asus tab. However, considering that I work on Windows PCs and Servers for a living, I don't like the idea of trying to navigate that OS with my blunt sausage-fingers.
I'd just be happy with an Android OS that supports running apps in resizable, movable windows. Drag and drop file maniuplation would be nice too. Functionally, the Android interface feels like Windows 3.1. I'd like to have folders on the "desktop" and navigate to a document/media file to launch it that way. Basically, I'd like to see some Windows-esque functionality without it actually needing to be Windows..
I disagree that 10" is better with a netbook but I'm not surprised to see it said. I'd rather move up to a 12" slim subnote with much faster hardware that point (which I've had too). The 9" is exceptionally portable and I actually wish I could find a notebook that's even smaller. Unfortunately they don't exist outside of some severely limited PDAs.
This is the reason I grabbed a Nook Color. I've wanted a 7" tablet because it's smaller than the 9" EeePC. I've had a Droid to play with but it is just too small. Unfortunately touch screen input is far inferior to a keyboard/touchpad in some situations.
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What about Windows 7 is significantly different from XP in the context of touch input?
I'm certainly intrigued by the Asus tab. However, considering that I work on Windows PCs and Servers for a living, I don't like the idea of trying to navigate that OS with my blunt sausage-fingers.
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Go look up some videos of it on Youtube. Basically MS's GUI and their apps are usable with touch but obviously when it comes to 3rd party apps you are going to have a very hard time without a stylus or KB/touchpad.
The whole reason the tablet revolution is happening is because enough people are learning to live without Windows.
Wherever there is Windows there is x86, and that means HUGE CPU die sizes and terrible battery life.
I don't expect to see Windows on a tablet until we get to quad-core models that have enough raw power to run Windows in a virtual machine. Tablets are the end of the WinTel monopoly....
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Go look up some videos of it on Youtube. Basically MS's GUI and their apps are usable with touch but obviously when it comes to 3rd party apps you are going to have a very hard time without a stylus or KB/touchpad.
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No, I won't go look up some videos. If he, or you, want to make the contention, which is specious at best, that Windows 7 was designed with touch in mind, feel free to explain your stance. Otherwise, I'm not buying. I work with Windows XP and Windows 7 every day. The Windows 7 interface is like lipstick on a pig relative to XP.
In Windows 7, when you select Shut Down, there's no confirmation or prompt that asks if you'd like to log off, restart, hibernate, etc. No, it just initiates the shutdown immediately. If you want to hibernate or suspend, you need to precisely click on the little triangle right next to shutdown. Yeah. If you mis-click, then the device will shutdown, which isn't what you want. This was designed with touch in mind?
Windows 7, just like every other version of Windows since 95 involves context-sensitive menus available thru right-clicking. How exactly do you right click on a tablet?
Look, I like my Nook. I'm very interested in the Asus tablet if the price is right. I'm just not letting some clown get off with some lame contention that Windows 7 was designed with touch in mind all that easily.
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What about Windows 7 is significantly different from XP in the context of touch input?
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Everything.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/products/features/touch
It was designed with touch in mind. Microsoft saw this tablet thing coming and was proactive... People don't give them enough credit sometimes.
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I'm certainly intrigued by the Asus tab. However, considering that I work on Windows PCs and Servers for a living, I don't like the idea of trying to navigate that OS with my blunt sausage-fingers.
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IMO the future of computing is with a STYLUS and not fingers.
Why? Handwriting. Have you used Windows 7 + OneNote? That's the future. Write ideas, notes, whatever you want to down... And then you can freaking SEARCH them later on (handwriting recognition). That is immensely more useful and practical than typing stuff in or inaccurately penning something with a fat finger- as you say.
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I'd just be happy with an Android OS that supports running apps in resizable, movable windows. Drag and drop file maniuplation would be nice too. Functionally, the Android interface feels like Windows 3.1. I'd like to have folders on the "desktop" and navigate to a document/media file to launch it that way. Basically, I'd like to see some Windows-esque functionality without it actually needing to be Windows..
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Excellent points, but you'd then have to have a taskbar of some sort and then it starts becoming "too complicated" for people. I'm not sure if the added complications would outweigh drag and drop benefit. (Window switching is already there via long-press on home button).
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I disagree that 10" is better with a netbook but I'm not surprised to see it said. I'd rather move up to a 12" slim subnote with much faster hardware that point (which I've had too).
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I've personally got a 13" as you said- much beefier hardware.
However. After thinking about it, I don't do video editing, really. Or anything intensive. I have no need for that beefier hardware so then the question to me is... Why don't I get something smaller/more portable?
poofyhairguy said:
The whole reason the tablet revolution is happening is because enough people are learning to live without Windows.
Wherever there is Windows there is x86, and that means HUGE CPU die sizes and terrible battery life.
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I expect Microsoft to start killing x86 off in Windows 9. That said, I've heard rumors they are already going to drop x86 in Windows 8.
Again, believe it or not: Microsoft is fairly proactive here and knows what direction they need to move in.
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I don't expect to see Windows on a tablet until we get to quad-core models that have enough raw power to run Windows in a virtual machine. Tablets are the end of the WinTel monopoly....
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There's already some intel-powered Windows tablets coming out that'll be fairly decently spec'd. The downside is I've not seen one under $1000. Which makes sense considering the hardware. However- my point is that they're already coming.
Microsoft has talked of Windows 8 supporting some kind of windows-on-a-chip thing as well...... Again- they know what's coming and where they need to take it
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In Windows 7, when you select Shut Down, there's no confirmation or prompt that asks if you'd like to log off, restart, hibernate, etc. No, it just initiates the shutdown immediately.
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Preaching to the choir. I have no idea the justification for that one. Even on a desktop PC it makes no sense what with the strides in hibernation/sleep.
Keep in mind this setting can be changed (and it might even be changed upon detection of a touch screen device, who knows... Windows 7 installs differently based upon detected hardware like SSDs, etc).
Considering you've admitted you haven't used Windows 7 in a touch environment I'm not sure why you expect anyone to put much stock in what you say.
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Windows 7, just like every other version of Windows since 95 involves context-sensitive menus available thru right-clicking. How exactly do you right click on a tablet?
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How do you do it on Android? Get real.
TexUs,
You and I just disagree.
I don't consider the inclusion of multi-touch in Windows 7 as being significant enough to give them a pass on designing the OS for touch. There are too many things about Windows that are just too tablet unfriendly. You consider multi-touch to change "everything" (your word) about the interface relative to XP. I do not.
On the topic of stylus-based tablet computing, this was tried about 6 or 7 years ago. That didn't work out very well. Styluses are a pain in the ass. They get lost, etc. The Palm Pilot was a stylus based device that really caught on for several years. The stylus, however, did not.
I never suggested that you could right-click on Android. My point was that right-clicking is just further evidence that Windows 7 is not all *that* tablet friendly. No need to get real. I'm already there.
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I don't consider the inclusion of multi-touch in Windows 7 as being significant enough to give them a pass on designing the OS for touch. There are too many things about Windows that are just too tablet unfriendly. You consider multi-touch to change "everything" (your word) about the interface relative to XP. I do not.
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You said relative to XP. Everything DID change in contrast to XP. XP sucked from a touch perspective. It was pretty much just tap this or tap that... Windows 7 made huge leaps and bounds.
Touch gestures in the OS, High DPI support, the Taskbar was huge in multi-window management in a touch environment, Aero Snap- again- more window management made easier in a touch environment, IE- touch support added - along with most all Microsoft products
Tons of improvement over XP. Again- the OS as a whole is now ready for touch- XP can't say that.
And your singular example of the shutdown button (which I already admitted is retarded regardless of setup) is hardly a damning point.
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On the topic of stylus-based tablet computing, this was tried about 6 or 7 years ago. That didn't work out very well. Styluses are a pain in the ass. They get lost, etc. The Palm Pilot was a stylus based device that really caught on for several years. The stylus, however, did not.
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Yes because stylus tech and handwriting recognition is exactly the same as it was 10 years ago.
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I never suggested that you could right-click on Android. My point was that right-clicking is just further evidence that Windows 7 is not all *that* tablet friendly. No need to get real. I'm already there.
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By that token, Android isn't tablet friendly since it relies on long-presses to gain additional options (IE: context menu) either.
Your logic just doesn't stack up.
You're complaining that a full blown OS has more features than a phone OS. Really? Where else do you suppose they stick all those options? All over the screen? Or with menus and long presses to pull them up only when needed? You also act, like people will constantly be using these functions on a tablet anyway. Tablets are for the foreseeable future, additions. Only things like the Eee Pad Transformer that have easily attachable keyboards- have any hope of replacing "real" computers.
I have a windows based tablet and I am incredibly happy with it
I have every intention of getting another one very soon (probably the asus ep121 or the hp slate 500)
I don't know why everyone's arguing about stylus input here, but if you haven't tried an active digitizer, you have no idea what you're talking about.
there's no way you can compare a windows tablet to a palm pilot which had a crappy resistive touch screen
it's like night and day
and the hand writing recognition in windows 7 is really, really good
I use it all the time and I never have any problems with it
also, I've been using my stylus nearly every day for 2 years and I haven't lost it..
I really don't see that being a problem
but anyway, I find it strange that no one has bothered to mention windows 8 in this thread. it will most likely be out fairly soon and it will support arm( not to mention the fact that it will be more touch friendly). I doubt it will be easy to port to something like the transformer, but it will be a hell of a lot easier than porting win7.
one more thing, you can long press to right click in windows, exactly the same as you do in android.
I just read about the new chromebook coming out and though since it is about the same price as a N7, i pre-ordered one.
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-XE303...92074&t=asinref-20&sr=1-1&keywords=B009LL9VDG
can someone familiar with chromeos tell me if this is something meant to be use together with a N7 or something totally different?
I had the first chromebook that they gave away for free and gave it away before i get to play around with it
Looks pretty cool. Definitely interested in your review.
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The price is pretty similar because it's using an ARM chip (Samsung Exynos), and therefore much cheaper to produce than the x86 predecessors. However, you lose some of the fancy sensors, and, like the other Chromebooks before it, very few services on it operate without an internet connection.
A Chromebook is basically a laptop that runs just the Chrome web browser. It's great for Google Docs editing and super fast when you have a good internet connection, but pretty mediocre for games, music, movies, or reading. You could pair it with a Nexus 7 and get the best of both worlds essentially, but on the whole they don't really integrate with each other. It's basically the same level of integration you already get with having Chrome installed on a desktop; if it's not already stored on Google's servers via Drive, Music, Play store, etc., you won't get (easy) access to it from your browser.
Also, Netflix doesn't work yet on ARM-based Chromebooks, which could be a deal-breaker for some people. It will probably be rebuilt for ARM at some point, just not right now.
Best thing you can do is try to get Android on it. That way it's the keyboard-version of your N7.
Try and get a Linux distro on it.
You can try it out for yourself using your current PC on a memory stick http://lifehacker.com/5820358/how-to-turn-your-netbook-into-a-chromebook-with-chromium-os
This way you can see for yourself , I put it on my laptop the other night just to see what its all about, I'm sure the version you get with your chrome book will be a bit more polished, it does feel a bit like a beta but still fun to play about with
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Word of warning though ... I used my 32gb SD card and windows image writer corrupted the card and it now reads as 1gb!! ( still works) So use one you don't need or care about, if anyone knows how to fix it I'm all ears!?!
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You can try it out for yourself using your current PC on a memory stick http://lifehacker.com/5820358/how-to-turn-your-netbook-into-a-chromebook-with-chromium-os
This way you can see for yourself , I put it on my laptop the other night just to see what its all about, I'm sure the version you get with your chrome book will be a bit more polished, it does feel a bit like a beta but still fun to play about with
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Word of warning though ... I used my 32gb SD card and windows image writer corrupted the card and it now reads as 1gb!! ( still works) So use one you don't need or care about, if anyone knows how to fix it I'm all ears!?!
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Format the card lol
Got a Samsung chrome book in our house, persuaded my aging folks to go for it for emails docs net surfing booking holidsys and the such. Zero maintainance and easy to use. Not very XDA!
Tbh great devices, v long battery quick at browsing, v quick boot or resume. These new ones should be better and are cheaper too. Depends on your use/user. No good for games and apps really, for the online world excellent. YouTube etc. on the Samsung works great at 720p.
i barely use my laptop as can use the chromebook and nowadays hardly use that due to my N7...
I dont see how the two 'combine' particularly, ones a touchscreen tab one is a laptop-lite.
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Windows 8 rt on the nexus 7 would be pretty cool anyone want to help me make this possible
It's almost impossible to port w8 on Nexus 7 it requires a lot of work
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marousa_king said:
Windows 8 rt on the nexus 7 would be pretty cool anyone want to help me make this possible
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I'm guessing you like the sound of Windows on a tablet, but you really don't know the world of hurt and disappointment that's instore from Windows8RT..
Clue: It's not Windows... and you are WAY better off with Jellybean....
No it wouldn't
That piece of "software" is not touching any of my hardware...
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Windows 8 rt on the nexus 7 would be pretty cool anyone want to help me make this possible
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Never gonna happen. I guess you're eager be sued by the folks in Redmond?
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I'm guessing you like the sound of Windows on a tablet, but you really don't know the world of hurt and disappointment that's instore from Windows8RT..
Clue: It's not Windows... and you are WAY better off with Jellybean....
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Proper multitasking, better tablet apps, a complete set of desktop apps...
If it was possible, I'd gladly ditch Android for Windows RT.
SilverHedgehog said:
Proper multitasking, better tablet apps, a complete set of desktop apps...
If it was possible, I'd gladly ditch Android for Windows RT.
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It is possible. Buy a Surface tablet and enjoy.
I'd totally buy a Windows RT tablet, price is key.
$499+? No way.
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Proper multitasking, better tablet apps, a complete set of desktop apps...
If it was possible, I'd gladly ditch Android for Windows RT.
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Im not sure windows rt is really what you're looking for. I believe multitasking will be like android (unload apps to conserve ram), "tablet" apps are up to the developer, and "desktop" apps won't run at all. What you think you want is windows 8, but you will have to give up more than you think to get those. Rt is the basically a middle ground between windows 8(x86) and phone. (arm)
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Windows 8 rt on the nexus 7 would be pretty cool anyone want to help me make this possible
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Remember that windows and android are not just two different operating systems, but to completely different TYPES of operation systems. Android is open source so you can port it to whatever and hack it to run on different devices. You can only do that to windows with Microsoft's permission, and help. Microsoft doesn't even sell windows rt, let alone let you run it on an android device. You have to pay for Windows RT by buying a device with it installed, and even then you have no right to transfer it to another device.
So the limitations are not just technical, but legal due to its closed source nature and the way it is sold. Android is limited only by the (likely closed source) drivers or lack thereof for the device.
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If I wanted a Win8 tablet, I'd buy a Surface. No thanks.
Maybe what you want is Win8 on your pc/laptop, and then splashtop streamer. They claim multitouch works via their software..
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Proper multitasking, better tablet apps, a complete set of desktop apps...
If it was possible, I'd gladly ditch Android for Windows RT.
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Educate yourself. Your talking Win8 Pro tablets, not RT. No desktop apps in RT. New ecosystem.
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This word "Copyright" tell you something? :what:
BTW
I have a feeling windows 8 will be like vista a few years ago. Get it? But that's my opinion. I could be dead wrong.
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Agreed. Most people don't understand that there are 2 versions. Pro and RT. RT is a scaled down version that won't run your typical desktop applications. Pro is what you want (if you want windows in a tablet).
I ran Windows 8 DP on my old Asus EP121 slate tablet (which was a real i5 64-bit machine) it I liked the overall experience. I ran photoshop and other powerful applications, however, the efficiency was no better than 65-70%... The ergonomics just weren't there for productivity. Diverse yes, but I'd prefer a laptop or desktop any day for real tasks. Every form has its function I suppose.
The two versions are due to Windows beeing a fat old OS, can't run properly on the ARM processors.
You will need a x86 processor to run all the old legacy stuff, windows fan boys can't live without (expect fat x86 tablets with fans).
RT Version fills the void of the fact windows just needs more juice to run on the new ARM hardware, so they made this version expecting anyone will use it... We all know Windows people, if they can't run word/excel on some hardware, it is not worth buying.
RT version is starting with a almost empty ecosystem... (no, you can't run normal windows x86 programs on RT)
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Proper multitasking, better tablet apps, a complete set of desktop apps...
If it was possible, I'd gladly ditch Android for Windows RT.
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It sounds like you are a "Kevin" and have fallen for Microsoft's plan..
MUST READ:
http://www.zdnet.com/three-days-in-...-former-microsoft-surface-rt-user-7000006421/
The only bit they get wrong of course, is the iPad bit at the end, when clearly it should have been a Nexus7 or Nexus 10...
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Educate yourself. Your talking Win8 Pro tablets, not RT. No desktop apps in RT. New ecosystem.
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nope. windows 8 has a full set of desktop apps. office, ie10 (it's good), command prompt, proper file manager, powershell, an rdp client.
it just doesn't allow to install new apps.
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This word "Copyright" tell you something? :what:
BTW
I have a feeling windows 8 will be like vista a few years ago. Get it? But that's my opinion. I could be dead wrong.
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honestly, when has copyright ever stopped anything? just look at hd2...
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It sounds like you are a "Kevin" and have fallen for Microsoft's plan..
MUST READ:
http://www.zdnet.com/three-days-in-...-former-microsoft-surface-rt-user-7000006421/
The only bit they get wrong of course, is the iPad bit at the end, when clearly it should have been a Nexus7 or Nexus 10...
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i know exactly what RT is. yes, i can't run third party desktop apps, no, i don't care.
it's a TABLET os, with a small set of desktop apps built in.
and android is a tablet os without that set of apps.
i'd much rather run win rt on my nexus - especially after trying ubuntu on it (with full chromium), i feel that android is holding that thing back.
and as for the article, well, it's a bad rep who's been fired. and one thing i found suspicious is that kevin didn't try to install chrome when he just got the tablet - it's mentioned that he loves it so much and all.
W8 RT needs 5 hardware buttons and a 1366×768 screen
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W8 RT needs 5 hardware buttons and a 1366×768 screen
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we don't have rotation lock and start buttons. you can still access start through the charms bar, and we could handle no lock rotation.
as for the resolution, it is only a requirement to pass microsoft certification. windows rt still supports other resolution. so with nexus 7's 1280x800 resolution, the only thing not working would be app snap.
The feedback towards Windows 8 RT (while not unsupported) seems to be a bit unfair. There is just so much report for Windows 8. They have a solid dev foundation which allows for much better quality software. While I love my Android devices, as an educator, I've noticed its missing the support from key software developrers.
Ugh.
Just got my shiny new 920 a few days back. What a beauty she is. Tested out the camera/vid function (which was one of my primary reasons for upgrading my Atrix to this) and it was just as advertised.
Then I immediately hop onto one of my favorite websites. To be greeted with the dreaded blank video box. No biggie, right? Just head over to the apps store like my old android and download...end of problem. Wrong.
So digging deeper, it appears Windows Mobile 8 may never, ever get a flash driver, even in future releases. This irks me to no end. Over in the android world, there are numerous workarounds which allow you to view any website in its entirety, while taking advantage of the phones' improved hardware. But looks like Microsoft is pretty adamant in its course to not only withhold flash in all future releases, but PREVENT its users from implementing it.
The odd thing is, there are like 2 apps in the store that will actually somehow play flash streams from a list of predefined websites...but do not work on other, user selected websites. So there 'has' to be a workaround here, since it appears there is limited success?
My question is: since I have 14 days to return this thing to att for an exchange, does anyone on here foresee flash functionality hitting win mobile 8 as a fully functioning hack similar to android in the not-too-distant future? Or am I holding out hopes for an absolute lost cause?
Thank you for your feedback!
I don't think you'll find flash support being added, it's all changing to html5, I think that's the right term, even on newer androids now flash support has been dropped.
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I don't think you'll find flash support being added, it's all changing to html5, I think that's the right term, even on newer androids now flash support has been dropped.
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Thanks much for the reply
Oh, I am not questioning Adobe's stance on the matter regarding phasing out support for all mobile devices.
However, fact remains that the Android OS still has full flash support available from 3rd party hacks or apks (even for the latest android devices), while it seems like basically nothing is available for Windows 8. It probably has a lot to do with the less users on this platform, and how amazingly tough Microsoft has made it to root or customize their platform.
I know the shift in the future will be towards html5, but that still does not discount the fact that majority of the websites (especially ones that are not huge or particularly mainstream) are currently on flash and will be on flash for awhile. And users not being able to visit and enjoy the content 'they' want seems to be yet another form of limiting and censorship that I do not particularly agree with.
Oh, and I don't buy the vulnerability excuse either. Your have a better chance of getting a virus through an email. So does that mean emailing should be eliminated altogether? It's all about the user visiting/opening trusted sites and being educated.
/end rant
fliplyricist1 said:
seems like basically nothing is available for Windows 8
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Windows 8 has Flash support.
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fliplyricist1 said:
Windows Mobile 8 may never, ever get a flash driver, even in future releases.
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fliplyricist1 said:
win mobile 8 as a fully functioning hack
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What are "Windows Mobile 8" and "win mobile 8"?
del1701 said:
I don't think you'll find flash support being added, it's all changing to html5, I think that's the right term, even on newer androids now flash support has been dropped.
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tai4de2 said:
Windows 8 has Flash support.
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What are "Windows Mobile 8" and "win mobile 8"?
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Windows phone 8. I think you know what I'm referring to, seeing what forum this is posted in. Sorry for the 'technicality.'
If you look at the statistics at the moment you will rather catch a bug through Flash, Adobe reader or some other Plugin than through the browser itself or an e-mail - at least you rarely have drive-by-downloads.
There won't be Flash in IE10 as the mobile version simply has no plugin-support whats-o-ever. The Flash support in those Apps seems to isolate the Video stream in a way customized for each website and then play that through the regular video capability - that's also why it won't work that way on all websites.
The only reason why the community is able to keep Flash alive for Android is that there actually is an implementation of Flash (albeit an old one) but there has never been one for WP7/WP8 so the basis for creating something like this is completely different.
In the end: you won't see Flash support on WP8 anytime soon and given that Flash is not actually a favorite of the development community I don't see people putting much effort into creating an alternative either.
Every time someone gripes about the lack of flash support I instantly assume they frequent porn sites on their phone.
Poecifer said:
Every time someone gripes about the lack of flash support I instantly assume they frequent porn sites on their phone.
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Ah, the old "it doesn't matter to me, therefore it doesn't matter to you" stance. Whenever I see that I instantly assume you're a ****.
radeon_x said:
Ah, the old "it doesn't matter to me, therefore it doesn't matter to you" stance. Whenever I see that I instantly assume you're a ****.
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Well, it's just that it's severely outdated and buggy stuff. The point of the higher quality operating systems is to eliminate those kind of problems so why introduce one yourself?
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Well, it's just that it's severely outdated and buggy stuff. The point of the higher quality operating systems is to eliminate those kind of problems so why introduce one yourself?
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I wouldn't argue with that (and neither would Adobe, clearly). And I also can't fault Microsoft for not including it in a new OS.
But. There is going to be a transition period where web sites transition away from Flash... and it's not going to happen overnight. There are still quite a few web sites that rely on Flash for proper operation (and no, I'm NOT talking about porn sites). So until the web at large catches up with the times, there is still a bit of a gap for users who can't display Flash. Some users may be affected by it, others not.
I just don't think it's fair to say Flash is useless and completely unnecessary right now - because that's really not the case. At the same time, buying a WP8 device and complaining about a lack of flash is a bit ignorant if nothing else.
I think adobe have already said they would no longer be supporting flash on any mobile devices. I read it here a while ago
Poecifer said:
Every time someone gripes about the lack of flash support I instantly assume they frequent porn sites on their phone.
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Actually, some sites work perfectly on my HD7 and Lumia 810 ?....
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Tell me a site you use that requires flash and if you have tried there mobile site
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And for porn use youporn.com
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Hello there, new to the forum!
My Q. is if it is possible to put Android on the MC Lumia 640 LTE? And it being stable and performant.
If so, please link me a tut!
Thanks !
Install some of launchers from store
Sorry, but thats not possible.
Same thing as wp on a Android device.
Just a few pointers you have to overcome........think of hardware compatibility, drivers, radio etc etc.
Niche Info
You can not do this
dont ruin super phone with android
Even if you could performance would not be very good.
Wp runs much better on the same hardware
Wish this could be done. I love the $60 Lumia 640's hardware more than some of my $200+ phones. The swappable unibody shells are great. But... windows is crippling this beauty. I'd go pick up 3 of these if android was possible.
There are $60 Androids phone, so...
Not as nice as the Lumia's hardware. To get an android phone, as good as the 640, you'd need to spend something upwards of $180.
rouyal said:
Not as nice as the Lumia's hardware. To get an android phone, as good as the 640, you'd need to spend something upwards of $180.
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How much a Xiaomi Mi4?
MrCego said:
How much a Xiaomi Mi4?
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In the US? I don't even know where to get one, but a quick Google search shows 200+ usd
touch pro 2 was able to boot android, no reason why this can't be done on 640...
walmart now has the 640 at 29.00... so with a flood of these in the market an android hack may be possible...
Again: If you want android, buy a phone with it. Period.
feherneoh said:
What the hell are you doing on XDA then? Get out of these topics, if you don't want to help people.
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You're right man. Fanboys everywhere.
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MrCego said:
Again: If you want android, buy a phone with it. Period.
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This is XDA buddy. Not a fanboys place. Face it.
I'm not fanboy. Ok, according to this, I will buy a drone and then a littles tires to use as remote car, right? Prfff!!
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A smartphone is just HW. If we want another OS, we will port it somehow. I have 4 Lumias, and still, I prefer android because of the apps, even if I know, that WP runs much better on the same HW. And until now my favorite Android device was one that shipped with Windows. I don't personally own a 640, but if it got a SecureBoot bypass, I would surely buy one, and start messing with Android on it, the same way, as I am messing with WM10 stuff for my current (Android based) phone now
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Where had you seen iOS ported to Android phones? or viceversa?
Buddy, admit it! You want to do that just for feel hacker some time, no more. You could do that with things that are made for these purposes (like cooking ROMs, ex).
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I'd like to see android running on a lumia 640 .. would be cool