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Windows xp on Samsung Galaxy Tab

Are there any posibilities that we can run Windows xp on the tablet some day?
i've seen a video that runs ubuntu, i dont want to see the word "ubuntu" in this whole thread please, thanks.
if there are possibilities.. how can we start, should i make a facebook page where we all manifest our feelings?
Reason in my case: i have some especial software that only run on windows xp, and also a couple of games specially Ragnarok Online (private server) that i play.

What I'd be a lot more interested in is a version of wine running on the Tab, either directly (which seems rather unlikely) or inside that brilliant OS that you don't want mentioned.

I wouldnt use windows xp to use any internet browser
because i'm sick of the Spyware/Malware BS! but some software would be nice like:
GRAPHICAL ftp client, DreamWeaver, Macromedia Flash, Notepad ++
i'm an amateur Web designer

atomiq said:
Are there any posibilities that we can run Windows xp on the tablet some day?
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None whatsoever!
Tab is ARM based, not x86 based. The only "hope" would be an VM, but even if someone could be bothered, performance would likely be dreadful.
Ubuntu is open source and has been ported to ARM.
Regards,
Dave

Won't ever happen, and it would run like total dog**** if it did.
You can already play your hacked MMO on a cheap netbook, and as primitive as Ragnarok is, that's all you need.

Croak said:
Won't ever happen, and it would run like total dog**** if it did.
You can already play your hacked MMO on a cheap netbook, and as primitive as Ragnarok is, that's all you need.
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No, i already have e netbook, and ragnarok is not priority, the other software are.
so far we dont have a professional answer :|

atomiq said:
No, i already have e netbook, and ragnarok is not priority, the other software are.
so far we dont have a professional answer :|
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You already have a professional answer...
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Originally Posted by atomiq
Are there any posibilities that we can run Windows xp on the tablet some day?
None whatsoever!
Tab is ARM based, not x86 based. The only "hope" would be an VM, but even if someone could be bothered, performance would likely be dreadful.
Ubuntu is open source and has been ported to ARM.
Regards,
Dave
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How would anyone benefit from running win xp, or any windows os for that matter, on a sgt? What would be the purpose?!

crippleb0y said:
How would anyone benefit from running win xp, or any windows os for that matter, on a sgt? What would be the purpose?!
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It's for the mentally retarded who live on Facebook using WindowsXP

atomiq said:
Are there any posibilities that we can run Windows xp on the tablet some day?
i've seen a video that runs ubuntu, i dont want to see the word "ubuntu" in this whole thread please, thanks.
if there are possibilities.. how can we start, should i make a facebook page where we all manifest our feelings?
Reason in my case: i have some especial software that only run on windows xp, and also a couple of games specially Ragnarok Online (private server) that i play.
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I had a 7inch tablet running windows xp. the tablet was great, the software was something that stiil seek me in my nightmare.
Now I'm trying to put android in it.
Simply put. windows xp wasn't and will not be a tablet os. Ever.
Sent from my Galaxy Tab

atomiq said:
i've seen a video that runs ubuntu, i dont want to see the word "ubuntu" in this whole thread please, thanks.
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Ubuntu! Oh I'm sorry your majesty, I'll get to work on an arm version of windows xp right away.
You could use a remote desktop client to connect to a windows xp machine. There is absolutely no way to run windows xp natively and there never will be.
Sent from my galaxy tab

acolwill said:
It's for the mentally retarded who live on Facebook using WindowsXP
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Judging by the ragnarok online ref, probably just an entitled tween with too much money.
Sent from my galaxy tab

acolwill said:
It's for the mentally retarded who live on Facebook using WindowsXP
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there would not be anything wrong with browsing facebook on the win xp, the facebook app for the android totally sucks

bump. bumb.

atomiq said:
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This has already been answered - why are you bumping it?
Just because you don't like the answer you've been?
It is not possible - move on!
Regards,
Dave

sup atomix. As everyone else already stated the GT's cpu is arm based, hence no native winders.
However rdp/vnc/cloud connections to both real and virtual windows machine is definitely doable.
I saw an interesting article in Engadget the other day. Looks like onlive will be serving up their cloud based gaming with a side of windows 7. Maybe this will be helpful for you.
Sorry I would post the Engadget link but I just registered to this forum as I just got my tab TODAY!!!!!!
engadget(insert dot here)com/2010/12/07/onlive-demos-windows-7-on-an-ipad-and-galaxy-tab-launches-cloud/

the CLOUD sucks tytyty
any recomendations for my purpose?

The 'Cloud' as you refer to as 'sucks' is the internets.
If your 'Clouds' 'suck' then I suggest you invest in faster internets.
or
Ask Santa Claus nicely to get you a new windows laptop for Christmas and donate your fantastic Galaxy Tab to a more deserving individual.
or
Throw yourself off a bridge and stop bringing this thread back to life.

tried ubuntu on the tab and runs extremely slugish, i'ts out of the question..
any 7 inch or smaller tablet that would run windows xp?
i said TABLET not netbook, i already have a dell 10v but is way too bulky to take back and forth from city to city

the tab i need, needs to be the closest to the galaxy tab 7" or smaller display size
with at least 5hrs of battery, open a resolution of 1024px width
sim card slot with aws band support, wi-fi, at least 32mb video card
etc..

Windows on Nook Color

Call me crazy but I want Windows on my Nook Color:
- Windows 7 (preferred)
- Windows Mobile 6.5x
- Windows Phone 7 (if it's my only option)
Surely someone is working on this on this in the xda or Nook community?
I'm not looking to start a holy war so please no battles on why one is better than the other.
Raptor

Raptor said:
Call me crazy but I want Windows on my Nook Color:
- Windows 7 (preferred)
- Windows Mobile 6.5x
- Windows Phone 7 (if it's my only option)
Surely someone is working on this on this in the xda or Nook community?
I'm not looking to start a holy war so please no battles on why one is better than the other.
Raptor
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not to be rude....but are you a complete moron....? why would you even ask a question like this...? the nook does not have nearly the processing power to run windows 7

Try pocketcloud from the market... itll let yo remote desktop to a win7 machine and turn your nc into essentially a thin client... pair it with a membership at dynds.org for a solution away from home.
Not exactly what you asked for but its the best youll ever get...
Sent from my NookColor using XDA app

Win7 Pro has a tablet thing that some say are good (would switch it on but no touch screen for my pc)
As for actually running it Android does well enough, im sure its possible but lack of drivers has stopped me from trying. If anything id try a live linux distro on the SD just thinking it could run it better, but win7 even in tablet settings would probably run like that Archos one, bad.

Call me crazy but I want Windows on my Nook Color:
- Windows 7 (preferred)
- Windows Mobile 6.5x
- Windows Phone 7 (if it's my only option)
Surely someone is working on this on this in the xda or Nook community?
I'm not looking to start a holy war so please no battles on why one is better than the other.
Raptor
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madfatter said:
not to be rude....but are you a complete moron....? why would you even ask a question like this...? the nook does not have nearly the processing power to run windows 7
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This is just wishful thinking on your part. Even if the NC had the processing power it runs a TI OMAP ARM processor. Windows 7 is only capable of running on x86 and AFAIK there is nothing in the works to recompile win7 for the ARM platform.
Windows Phone 7 (who knows) could one day be ported to run on the NC hardware.
Your best bet may be to use VNC or something similar to get access to a windows 7 remote desktop environment.

madfatter said:
not to be rude....but are you a complete moron....? why would you even ask a question like this...? the nook does not have nearly the processing power to run windows 7
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Let me clarify:
- No holy war comments
- AND apparently...
- No unnecessary insults
I posted the comment in "this section" (Nook Color "THEMES" and Apps) for the reason of a good fully emulated Windows 7 theme would suffice.
But YES I do wish a "hacked" version of Windows 7 could be developed. I did not ask for Win7 Ultimate, or Enerprise but Win7.
If we took the assumption that only a full unmodifed version of any OS could be run on these devices then I think we would all just be reading eBooks on them from B&N. Win7 just like ANY OS can be stripped down in many ways, even if basic stripping down was not sufficient, it would be a start. From there things can be modifed further.
So to clarify:
- YES I want Win7 Enterprise or Ultimate with BlueTooth, WiFi, USB, SDHC, Cell Stack, Fingerprint reader, Optical Scanner, camera (forward and rear facing) BlueRay DVD ROM/Writer, IR, and whatever else anyone has ever thought of that can be put into a high powered Windows workstation.
Short of that I would be willing to accept any of the following in the order listed from top down:
- Any version of Win7
- WinMo 6.5x
- WP7 (if someone can make it do something other than the standard WP7) (ie: remove the iPhone'ish lockdown limitations and run WinMo apps)
- Win7 themes that work on the rooted Nook Colors
- WP7 theme (as a theme would not come with the limitations of WP7 itself)
- WinMo 6.5x theme
- NT4 theme
- NT 3.51 theme
- OK that is as low as I am willing to go, although I would not mind having CMD on the Win7 version with the internal commands... lol
Read the above with a certain amount of sarcasim and reality, Win7 ROX so as close as my Nook Color tablet can get to it would make me happy (as well as a few others as well I am sure)!
Raptor

@ Jason - Thanks, I do have a Remote control client accessing my static IP devices.
Unfortunately we are just not there yet with the passthrough of the touch commands as I wouldlike it to be, and beyond that I was looking for a Win7 interface even when not on WiFi. I just like the standard commands, interfaces, etc... that I am familiar with over the Android OS. Not to knock it but it's not my prefered GUI.
But you are right, that does suffice at this time.
Raptor

Maybe someone can get Windows 95 up and running

dascud said:
This is just wishful thinking on your part. ....... AFAIK there is nothing in the works to recompile win7 for the ARM platform.
Windows Phone 7 (who knows) could one day be ported to run on the NC hardware.
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Wishful thinking is why I finally have skinny tablet computer in my haands only (insert sarcaism here) 42 years after seeing James T Kirk with one.
Win7 ARM platform... oh the rumors are already started. Balmer is supposed to be making an announcement of this @ CES 2011. Am I expecting it to be released before the Nook Color becomes my primary dust pan... probably not, but I am eagerly waiting onthenews just the same.
WP7 on the Nook Color; That would be nice once it has copy/paste and the other 1,400 features that WinMo 6.5x had that were removed or "not included" in the new WP7 OS (sorry, sore subject).
Raptor

wvcachi said:
Maybe someone can get Windows 95 up and running
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Wahoooo........ Now were talking...

In all seriousness... what about Windows CE?
Or even xp, the nook has good enough specs for that, i mean come on, it only needs a 233mhz cpu and only 128 meg of ram?
Basically, id love to play age of mythology on this thing ;D
Sent from my Nookcolor using XDA App

urbanengine1 said:
In all seriousness... what about Windows CE?
Or even xp, the nook has good enough specs for that, i mean come on, it only needs a 233mhz cpu and only 128 meg of ram?
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Maybe if we all ask Bill Gates real nice he will find it in his heart to release the source for WinXP so that XDA developers can port it for ARM architecture. What with this being Xmas and all.
I am an optimist but also a realist. Chances of getting WinXP to run natively on the Nook Color or any other ARM tablet are next to none.
Why will Microsoft take it upon themselves to port an unsupported 2 generations old OS to the ARM platform. IMO it will be a cold day in Hell before Microsoft releases the source for WinXP.
If you need a tablet running Windows maybe you are better off with the Archos 9 https://store.archos.com/archos-tablet-p-96.html or the new Dell Duo or the HP slate.

Look i dont know much about such things but surely CE is possible?
got this from arm.com:
"Hi, There
Microsoft itself makes tools for developing with Windows CE running on an ARM processor. If you go to the ARM Connected Community page for Microsoft Windows CE:
http://www.arm.com/community/display_compa...3&display=3
and scroll down to the contact information, you'll find a link to Microsoft's resources for embedded developers:
http://www.microsoft...ndows/embedded/
You should find what you need there."
OR BETTER THAN CE: linux and wine
Sent from my NookColor using XDA App

CE wouldn't be too bad.
You should check out Windows Embedded Compact 7 which uses a lot of the same underlying software as Windows Phone 7 but has a traditional windows gui but can be overlaid with whatever you want.

Man. As soon as someone has a complete backup so we can flash this thing back to default if something goes wrong. Im gonna windows this thing to death >.
Sent from my Nookacolor using XDA App

I was thinking Windows 3.1 would be perfect.
OTH, I have seen tablets out there that run windows 7 so it's definitely not unheard of.
http://www.amazon.com/Archos-Windows-Starter-Tablet-Black/dp/tags-on-product/B002V3C4F8

dascud said:
If you need a tablet running Windows maybe you are better off with the Archos 9 https://store.archos.com/archos-tablet-p-96.html or the new Dell Duo or the HP slate.
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Actually I will probably be getting a Dell Duo, but it's not as thin and heavier then the Nook Color as well as the price difference. I bought this on a wim as I bought 2 Nooks (non coler versions) for family members and it was just too darn cheap to pass up on. Needless to say I was thrilled when I checked and xda-developers had a section on Nook Color hacks...
I agree on the XP comments, but CE does support ARM (as in Windows Mobile (take your pick on the version)). I would like to see a WinMo 6.5x OS running on the Nook Color.
Raptor

new question...
has anyone succesfully gotten a full OS to boot from an sd card?
if so i might try mucking around with CE and get it installed on an sd...
if not i wont do it because i REALLY dont want to stuff up my color.
Now... does anyone know of any working drivers ;D

Raptor said:
So to clarify:
- YES I want Win7 Enterprise or Ultimate with BlueTooth, WiFi, USB, SDHC, Cell Stack, Fingerprint reader, Optical Scanner, camera (forward and rear facing) BlueRay DVD ROM/Writer, IR, and whatever else anyone has ever thought of that can be put into a high powered Windows workstation.
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I forgot GPS, 64bit dual proc quad core with 32 GB of RAM and a compass in the stock!

Raptor said:
I forgot GPS, 64bit dual proc quad core with 32 GB of RAM and a compass in the stock!
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you will brick your nook... ok closest i could come up with..

Asus Eee Pad Transformer: Can it run Windows?

This is the closest forum I found to ask this question...
It's supposed to be priced at $400. Which makes it $150 more than, the Nook Color.
If this is true, you gain dual-core processors, 1GB RAM, 10.1" IPS display, and a removable keyboard (Assuming- it's factored into the $400).
Smashing good deal, I'd say.
However- my main complaint of all tablets (at least in this price range)... Is they don't run a full OS. The hardware on the Eee Pad Transformer suggest to me, it could viably run Windows on it in a dual-boot situation... I was just wondering if anyone had heard anything on doing this?
If so- it makes this an amazing device.

The problem with Windows is that the GUI and applications are designed around mouse usage. This will be an issue with any OS GUI not designed around touch. So it won't be as amazing as you think. Consider how difficult it will be to use toolbars with tiny buttons, use the taskbar (tiny icons), select things in dropdown menus, etc. You'd really need a stylus to get anywhere.
I suggest you look at netbooks if you want Windows. I have an EeePC 900 that I've been using for years and frankly it is vastly more usable than tablets thus far for a number of reasons.

There's no way to run Windows on a Tegra 2 or any other ARM-based platform except maybe through emulation. Also, the $400 price point for the Transformer would not include the keyboard.

Actually Windows 7 was designed with touch input in mind so while your statement might hold true to XP and earlier, you obviously haven't used Windows 7
I'm not worried about if Windows will work on a touch device as much as... Hardware support and if it's even possible (how it'd boot from a flash drive, for example)

AZImmortal said:
There's no way to run Windows on a Tegra 2 or any other ARM-based platform except maybe through emulation. Also, the $400 price point for the Transformer would not include the keyboard.
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OK- this is what I was looking for. So it won't run on Tegra 2...... Answers my question.
I am with you: I wouldn't assume the $400 included it but I've seen some product pages to suggest otherwise, I'm waiting to see. Even if the keyboard cost $100... Putting it the same price as the iPad... A tablet with no keyboard or a tablet with a keyboard: no brainer- the Eee Pad still gets the edge.

TexUs said:
Actually Windows 7 was designed with touch input in mind so while your statement might hold true to XP and earlier, you obviously haven't used Windows 7
I'm not worried about if Windows will work on a touch device as much as... Hardware support and if it's even possible (how it'd boot from a flash drive, for example)
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I use Windows XP, Vista and 7 every day, but I haven't touched a Win7 tablet PC. Windows 7 might be designed for touch but the applications, the whole reason to use Windows over another OS, will still be a problem. Not many apps are designed with touch in mind.
My EeePC 900 uses "flash drives" to boot Windows. it has a 4GB and 16GB SSD. It's pretty quick even though the SSDs are slow. It's that instant access time and relatively quick read speed, but the write speed is awful. Or are you referring to booting from SD? Which would probably entail some sort of fancy bootloader.... It is possible to boot Windows from USB so SD may be possible.

swaaye said:
I use Windows XP, Vista and 7 every day, but I haven't touched a Win7 tablet PC. Windows 7 might be designed for touch but the applications, the whole reason to use Windows over another OS, will still be a problem. Not many apps are designed with touch in mind.
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That's true but that's where the keyboard and touchpad picks up the slack.....
For 95% of people- Microsoft products (IE: designed with the touch in mind now) are fine.
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My EeePC 900 uses "flash drives" to boot Windows. it has a 4GB and 16GB SSD. It's pretty quick even though the SSDs are slow. It's that instant access time and relatively quick read speed, but the write speed is awful. Or are you referring to booting from SD? Which would probably entail some sort of fancy bootloader.... It is possible to boot Windows from USB so SD may be possible.
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I'm not sure how this device works (the bootloader) which is why I questioned the possibility anyway. Kindof a moot point if Windows won't run on a Tegra 2.

TexUs said:
Kindof a moot point if Windows won't run on a Tegra 2.
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I guess so.
Personally I've been hoping for a new 9" netbook with better hardware than my EeePC 900. Unfortunately none of the companies seems to want to build anything smaller than 10" now.

swaaye said:
I guess so.
Personally I've been hoping for a new 9" netbook with better hardware than my EeePC 900. Unfortunately none of the companies seems to want to build anything smaller than 10" now.
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I think 10" is a good size, myself.
7" is fantastic size as well, but it's too big for one handed typing and too small for two handed so... It's an awkward size. 10" is perfect IMO.

I have an EEE 1005HA and had a EEE 900? There is a big diffrence in size. IMHO the 1005 form factor is the best ballance for useabillity and portability.
Dell has a flip screen netbook / tablet that looks intersting but the price point is high, the reviews are low, so I have not considered it.

TexUs said:
Actually Windows 7 was designed with touch input in mind so while your statement might hold true to XP and earlier, you obviously haven't used Windows 7
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What about Windows 7 is significantly different from XP in the context of touch input?
I'm certainly intrigued by the Asus tab. However, considering that I work on Windows PCs and Servers for a living, I don't like the idea of trying to navigate that OS with my blunt sausage-fingers.
I'd just be happy with an Android OS that supports running apps in resizable, movable windows. Drag and drop file maniuplation would be nice too. Functionally, the Android interface feels like Windows 3.1. I'd like to have folders on the "desktop" and navigate to a document/media file to launch it that way. Basically, I'd like to see some Windows-esque functionality without it actually needing to be Windows..

I disagree that 10" is better with a netbook but I'm not surprised to see it said. I'd rather move up to a 12" slim subnote with much faster hardware that point (which I've had too). The 9" is exceptionally portable and I actually wish I could find a notebook that's even smaller. Unfortunately they don't exist outside of some severely limited PDAs.
This is the reason I grabbed a Nook Color. I've wanted a 7" tablet because it's smaller than the 9" EeePC. I've had a Droid to play with but it is just too small. Unfortunately touch screen input is far inferior to a keyboard/touchpad in some situations.

Jgrimoldy said:
What about Windows 7 is significantly different from XP in the context of touch input?
I'm certainly intrigued by the Asus tab. However, considering that I work on Windows PCs and Servers for a living, I don't like the idea of trying to navigate that OS with my blunt sausage-fingers.
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Go look up some videos of it on Youtube. Basically MS's GUI and their apps are usable with touch but obviously when it comes to 3rd party apps you are going to have a very hard time without a stylus or KB/touchpad.

The whole reason the tablet revolution is happening is because enough people are learning to live without Windows.
Wherever there is Windows there is x86, and that means HUGE CPU die sizes and terrible battery life.
I don't expect to see Windows on a tablet until we get to quad-core models that have enough raw power to run Windows in a virtual machine. Tablets are the end of the WinTel monopoly....

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Go look up some videos of it on Youtube. Basically MS's GUI and their apps are usable with touch but obviously when it comes to 3rd party apps you are going to have a very hard time without a stylus or KB/touchpad.
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No, I won't go look up some videos. If he, or you, want to make the contention, which is specious at best, that Windows 7 was designed with touch in mind, feel free to explain your stance. Otherwise, I'm not buying. I work with Windows XP and Windows 7 every day. The Windows 7 interface is like lipstick on a pig relative to XP.
In Windows 7, when you select Shut Down, there's no confirmation or prompt that asks if you'd like to log off, restart, hibernate, etc. No, it just initiates the shutdown immediately. If you want to hibernate or suspend, you need to precisely click on the little triangle right next to shutdown. Yeah. If you mis-click, then the device will shutdown, which isn't what you want. This was designed with touch in mind?
Windows 7, just like every other version of Windows since 95 involves context-sensitive menus available thru right-clicking. How exactly do you right click on a tablet?
Look, I like my Nook. I'm very interested in the Asus tablet if the price is right. I'm just not letting some clown get off with some lame contention that Windows 7 was designed with touch in mind all that easily.

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What about Windows 7 is significantly different from XP in the context of touch input?
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Everything.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/products/features/touch
It was designed with touch in mind. Microsoft saw this tablet thing coming and was proactive... People don't give them enough credit sometimes.
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I'm certainly intrigued by the Asus tab. However, considering that I work on Windows PCs and Servers for a living, I don't like the idea of trying to navigate that OS with my blunt sausage-fingers.
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IMO the future of computing is with a STYLUS and not fingers.
Why? Handwriting. Have you used Windows 7 + OneNote? That's the future. Write ideas, notes, whatever you want to down... And then you can freaking SEARCH them later on (handwriting recognition). That is immensely more useful and practical than typing stuff in or inaccurately penning something with a fat finger- as you say.
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I'd just be happy with an Android OS that supports running apps in resizable, movable windows. Drag and drop file maniuplation would be nice too. Functionally, the Android interface feels like Windows 3.1. I'd like to have folders on the "desktop" and navigate to a document/media file to launch it that way. Basically, I'd like to see some Windows-esque functionality without it actually needing to be Windows..
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Excellent points, but you'd then have to have a taskbar of some sort and then it starts becoming "too complicated" for people. I'm not sure if the added complications would outweigh drag and drop benefit. (Window switching is already there via long-press on home button).
swaaye said:
I disagree that 10" is better with a netbook but I'm not surprised to see it said. I'd rather move up to a 12" slim subnote with much faster hardware that point (which I've had too).
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I've personally got a 13" as you said- much beefier hardware.
However. After thinking about it, I don't do video editing, really. Or anything intensive. I have no need for that beefier hardware so then the question to me is... Why don't I get something smaller/more portable?
poofyhairguy said:
The whole reason the tablet revolution is happening is because enough people are learning to live without Windows.
Wherever there is Windows there is x86, and that means HUGE CPU die sizes and terrible battery life.
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I expect Microsoft to start killing x86 off in Windows 9. That said, I've heard rumors they are already going to drop x86 in Windows 8.
Again, believe it or not: Microsoft is fairly proactive here and knows what direction they need to move in.
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I don't expect to see Windows on a tablet until we get to quad-core models that have enough raw power to run Windows in a virtual machine. Tablets are the end of the WinTel monopoly....
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There's already some intel-powered Windows tablets coming out that'll be fairly decently spec'd. The downside is I've not seen one under $1000. Which makes sense considering the hardware. However- my point is that they're already coming.
Microsoft has talked of Windows 8 supporting some kind of windows-on-a-chip thing as well...... Again- they know what's coming and where they need to take it

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In Windows 7, when you select Shut Down, there's no confirmation or prompt that asks if you'd like to log off, restart, hibernate, etc. No, it just initiates the shutdown immediately.
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Preaching to the choir. I have no idea the justification for that one. Even on a desktop PC it makes no sense what with the strides in hibernation/sleep.
Keep in mind this setting can be changed (and it might even be changed upon detection of a touch screen device, who knows... Windows 7 installs differently based upon detected hardware like SSDs, etc).
Considering you've admitted you haven't used Windows 7 in a touch environment I'm not sure why you expect anyone to put much stock in what you say.
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Windows 7, just like every other version of Windows since 95 involves context-sensitive menus available thru right-clicking. How exactly do you right click on a tablet?
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How do you do it on Android? Get real.

TexUs,
You and I just disagree.
I don't consider the inclusion of multi-touch in Windows 7 as being significant enough to give them a pass on designing the OS for touch. There are too many things about Windows that are just too tablet unfriendly. You consider multi-touch to change "everything" (your word) about the interface relative to XP. I do not.
On the topic of stylus-based tablet computing, this was tried about 6 or 7 years ago. That didn't work out very well. Styluses are a pain in the ass. They get lost, etc. The Palm Pilot was a stylus based device that really caught on for several years. The stylus, however, did not.
I never suggested that you could right-click on Android. My point was that right-clicking is just further evidence that Windows 7 is not all *that* tablet friendly. No need to get real. I'm already there.

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I don't consider the inclusion of multi-touch in Windows 7 as being significant enough to give them a pass on designing the OS for touch. There are too many things about Windows that are just too tablet unfriendly. You consider multi-touch to change "everything" (your word) about the interface relative to XP. I do not.
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You said relative to XP. Everything DID change in contrast to XP. XP sucked from a touch perspective. It was pretty much just tap this or tap that... Windows 7 made huge leaps and bounds.
Touch gestures in the OS, High DPI support, the Taskbar was huge in multi-window management in a touch environment, Aero Snap- again- more window management made easier in a touch environment, IE- touch support added - along with most all Microsoft products
Tons of improvement over XP. Again- the OS as a whole is now ready for touch- XP can't say that.
And your singular example of the shutdown button (which I already admitted is retarded regardless of setup) is hardly a damning point.
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On the topic of stylus-based tablet computing, this was tried about 6 or 7 years ago. That didn't work out very well. Styluses are a pain in the ass. They get lost, etc. The Palm Pilot was a stylus based device that really caught on for several years. The stylus, however, did not.
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Yes because stylus tech and handwriting recognition is exactly the same as it was 10 years ago.
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I never suggested that you could right-click on Android. My point was that right-clicking is just further evidence that Windows 7 is not all *that* tablet friendly. No need to get real. I'm already there.
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By that token, Android isn't tablet friendly since it relies on long-presses to gain additional options (IE: context menu) either.
Your logic just doesn't stack up.
You're complaining that a full blown OS has more features than a phone OS. Really? Where else do you suppose they stick all those options? All over the screen? Or with menus and long presses to pull them up only when needed? You also act, like people will constantly be using these functions on a tablet anyway. Tablets are for the foreseeable future, additions. Only things like the Eee Pad Transformer that have easily attachable keyboards- have any hope of replacing "real" computers.

I have a windows based tablet and I am incredibly happy with it
I have every intention of getting another one very soon (probably the asus ep121 or the hp slate 500)
I don't know why everyone's arguing about stylus input here, but if you haven't tried an active digitizer, you have no idea what you're talking about.
there's no way you can compare a windows tablet to a palm pilot which had a crappy resistive touch screen
it's like night and day
and the hand writing recognition in windows 7 is really, really good
I use it all the time and I never have any problems with it
also, I've been using my stylus nearly every day for 2 years and I haven't lost it..
I really don't see that being a problem
but anyway, I find it strange that no one has bothered to mention windows 8 in this thread. it will most likely be out fairly soon and it will support arm( not to mention the fact that it will be more touch friendly). I doubt it will be easy to port to something like the transformer, but it will be a hell of a lot easier than porting win7.
one more thing, you can long press to right click in windows, exactly the same as you do in android.

Which laptop

Which laptop should i get macbook pro or windows based laptop?
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troll bait?
You get the Apple if you already have an Apple, or are willing to compute the Apple way for some incredible hardware. (Assumption made that putting another OS is not in question)
Otherwise, buy a PC. Find a price range, poke around on Newegg, read reviews, purchase and enjoy.

xyrth said:
troll bait?
You get the Apple if you already have an Apple, or are willing to compute the Apple way for some incredible hardware. (Assumption made that putting another OS is not in question)
Otherwise, buy a PC. Find a price range, poke around on Newegg, read reviews, purchase and enjoy.
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For some funny reason after posting my question i knew i set my self up lol.... But pc it is... Just found one right and im on my way to cop it ... Thanks anyways man
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Go with Windows
Right now windows I'd say is a better choice from my understanding they are gearing to be more Linux compatible as well as apple can also be hard to work with as a company and very expensive where as you can spend less money and get a better machine that runs Windows.

Windows
I would get a Windows machine every single time. Macs are over priced in my opinion. Personally, there are more functions in windows and more programs available for windows.

nadaltennis77 said:
I would get a Windows machine every single time. Macs are over priced in my opinion. Personally, there are more functions in windows and more programs available for windows.
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Seconded. Mac OSX is extremely limited in its capabilities in my opinion in comparison to Windows. Not to mention if you game per se, then you get DirectX Acceleration. Another thing is Windows typically receives the higher amount of Open Source programming right below Linux with Mac OSX in last

http://bit.ly/zM30QX

If you are a graphics designer, get a mac. If not, get windows.

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If you are a graphics designer, get a mac. If not, get windows.
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Actually, that old rule of thumb doesn't work any more. I know a lot of graphic designers and the spread between Mac & Windows is about 50/50.

windows based laptops are so much better value.. so unless you need mac os, don't bother

Each has its own pros and cons. personally id go windows though

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Which laptop should i get macbook pro or windows based laptop?
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MacBook and then put Linux on it
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That one mentioned previously, for sure... but not the other one, its no good

If I had the money, I'd get a Mac and triple boot win + Linux....
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Archer said:
Actually, that old rule of thumb doesn't work any more. I know a lot of graphic designers and the spread between Mac & Windows is about 50/50.
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I have a strong hate for PS CS5 on Mac, its windowless with buttons round the edge , I can't use it at all , how ever CS6 changes that I think
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If iMac was little bit of cheaper, then I'd think of trying Apple products, but sad it just equals to the price that of Macbook Pro.

You're better off building a laptop yourself and installing Linux. Cheapest way

You get more hardware bang for your buck with a PC.
If your a recoding engineer however, as I've been told/forewarned, Pro Tools/Avid had Mac in mind when designing their state of the art/industry standard professional software.

If you like to pay the Apple tax then buy a Apple notebook. If you dont like to pay the Apple tax then just look for a good Asus or other brand.
But avoid Dell, Acer, HP if you can and specially Dell because they dont abide the warranty law of europe.
Acer and HP notebooks have high rate off defects ( Dell as well i believe ). I would just advise Asus
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Ubuntu coming with something big?

Over at ubuntu.com, it looks like they are fixing to reveal something. Will it be a mobile device? Steam box?
The timer is set to finish at 12:00 CST.

No.
Just a touch interface... try to rival Win8...

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No.
Just a touch interface... try to rival Win8...
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Rival implies they care about their market share. They don't. It's just the future happening. Computers have touch screens now so it's only logical that Ubuntu (and other distros) accommodate them.

yup.. touch interface and maybe sth for tablets.. we'll see in 45mins

063_XOBX said:
Rival implies they care about their market share. They don't. It's just the future happening. Computers have touch screens now so it's only logical that Ubuntu (and other distros) accommodate them.
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Semantics.
You know I meant what you said...

It's Ubuntu on phones. Check their website
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ak700 said:
It's Ubuntu on phones. Check their website
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Website just showing 000000 on the countdown to me...
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Does anyone else get reminded of Jolla Sailfish?

SleepyKrushna said:
Website just showing 000000 on the countdown to me...
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Does anyone else get reminded of Jolla Sailfish?
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I think we DDoS'ed the site... Lol. I hope we can get this on any Android phone. This will be so amazing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpWHJDLsqTU

Ubuntu Phone. Yes, please.
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Confirmed in the video, if you have an Android device, Ubuntu for smartphones will run on any Android kernel.
Guys, I love Android, but it looks like we have a competitor on our hands. Ubuntu will show up EVERYWHERE.
I have a feeling this will be the new Windows. This could dominate.

Please make this installable on my Nexus...dual-boot if possible! Ubuntu is great, but I really want to use Android as well...
The phone in the vid really does look a lot like my Galaxy Nexus...^^

landonh12 said:
Confirmed in the video, if you have an Android device, Ubuntu for smartphones will run on any Android kernel.
Guys, I love Android, but it looks like we have a competitor on our hands. Ubuntu will show up EVERYWHERE.
I have a feeling this will be the new Windows. This could dominate.
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No. THink about it. How many android owners are tech savvy enough to install a different OS on their phone, 25%?

25% is quite a few anyway...

jaszek said:
No. THink about it. How many android owners are tech savvy enough to install a different OS on their phone, 25%?
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This will come pre-installed on manufacturer devices from what I saw in the video. I think manufacturers will start leaning towards linux in general, and with steam coming to ubuntu..

I'm just wondering what the app situation will be at start. Hopefully I can dual boot it with regular android, since Ubuntu wont have Play Store support.

I wonder when the first Alpha builds will show up on XDA...

landonh12 said:
This will come pre-installed on manufacturer devices from what I saw in the video. I think manufacturers will start leaning towards linux in general, and with steam coming to ubuntu..
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It won't come pre installed on many (if any devices). There is very little advantage to adding a feature 99% of the populace has no concern for and there's a definite disadvantage to being forced to support it if it came preloaded.

And obviously they used the S3 on the website to demonstrate it, so we know it'll have Ubuntu available for it

jaszek said:
I'm just wondering what the app situation will be at start. Hopefully I can dual boot it with regular android, since Ubuntu wont have Play Store support.
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I heard them say that "native" apps would work the best. Maybe some type of emulation?

jaszek said:
I'm just wondering what the app situation will be at start. Hopefully I can dual boot it with regular android, since Ubuntu wont have Play Store support.
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I was hoping the same... but that doesn't seem to be the case...