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Radiation risk with always-on data connection?

Ok, there should be enough people here who either know the technical specs or, from some insane drive to know how everything works, have taken their Kaiser/Tilts apart and can answer this.
I'm using a new EMail program (SEVEN) that maintains an always-on data connection. I'm trying to find out if I should be worried about the radiation/signals my phone is putting out.
For those of you who wonder: Yes, I've done my research here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=428065&highlight=radiation), and, while I do appreciate humor, I'd love something more than flip answers. ;-) Call me a worrier.
I've surmised (and been told) that an always-on data connection is not the same as if you were constantly talking on the phone...only to have that thought countered with the fact that the radio of the phone still has to be broadcasting, even with a "mostly-silent-yet-always-on" data connection...which means radiation nonetheless. And the circle of logic/worry continues.
Does anyone who knows enough about constant data connections and the Tilt's radio shed some light on this? I'd REALLY appreciate it! Thanks!

Superion said:
Ok, there should be enough people here who either know the technical specs or, from some insane drive to know how everything works, have taken their Kaiser/Tilts apart and can answer this.
I'm using a new EMail program (SEVEN) that maintains an always-on data connection. I'm trying to find out if I should be worried about the radiation/signals my phone is putting out.
For those of you who wonder: Yes, I've done my research here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=428065&highlight=radiation), and, while I do appreciate humor, I'd love something more than flip answers. ;-) Call me a worrier.
I've surmised (and been told) that an always-on data connection is not the same as if you were constantly talking on the phone...only to have that thought countered with the fact that the radio of the phone still has to be broadcasting, even with a "mostly-silent-yet-always-on" data connection...which means radiation nonetheless. And the circle of logic/worry continues.
Does anyone who knows enough about constant data connections and the Tilt's radio shed some light on this? I'd REALLY appreciate it! Thanks!
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Well, you could always hold your gieger counter up to the phone and measure the mSv, but it would be so miniscule as to not be of any significant concern. The average background radiation level is 2.405 mSv, (0.02405 REM), while the HTC Kaiser has an average radiation output of 0.159 mSv, (0.00159 REM). Taking into account background radiation, and a Kaiser in your pocket, you are exposed to approximatly 2.564 mSv, (0.002564 REM). You are well below the safe radiation level for even radiation workers in the United States, which has been established at 50 mSv. In order to be in any danger from radiation, you would need to exceed 51 REM, (5100 mSv). before even temporary sterility may result. For a potentially lethal dose, you would need to come into contact with radiation levels exceeding 101 REM, (10100 mSv). It is highly improbable one will be exposed to a harmful level of radiation from a cellular telephone.

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LAWL

If you place silver foil on your head, it'll bounce the radiation away...
Typical no worry scenario gama phones don't exist and there are so many carsonegenics in the world that where would we stop.
My point is no worries.
"don't believe the hype"

While it will not effect you,holding it up to your ear, whatever you do, do not keep your phone in your pocket, while connected.
Otherwise within a year, " Big Jim and the Twins " will shrivel up to nothing. Be fore warned ....................................oh wait, or is that steroids ?
I forget, anyway, better safe than sorry

ChumleyEX:
Classic
I wonder if they sell them in different colours?
denco7: No longer will my pocket cohabit my phone

For the baseball fan.
I would sumerize that leaving the data connection on gave this man his power (and I was told too)

You guys are hilarious. ;-P
Thanks to those of you who were took the time to answer. To give some additional background: I'm not putting it in my pocket; I'm wearing it in a belt-clip holster/carrier, so it would be my kidneys I'd be worried about.
Also, keep in mind that I'm concerned about cancer effects over time. I saw the radiation measurements k-semler provided...those small doses are OK intermittently...are they OK every day for a few years?
I use a bluetooth earpiece, so I'm OK with my head (the earpiece is designed to power down after several minutes of inactivity).

I would think a Dr or someone would know about that. Just make sure you keep it near the kidney that isn't near your liver.
I normally keep my phone in a cargo pocket.. The knees love radiation.

is it illegal to mod g1 and give them root

Hi to all i was just wondering if it is illegal to mod other peoples phone because i am in school and i mod peoples phone you know give them root and change boot img (like the T-mobile G1/My Touch 3G) and my dad thinks its illegal and want me to stop he also thinks that some one is going to connect it to a bomb and blame me i just want to get some other peoples views and such thanks for you feed back!-)

I'm pretty sure the "modding G1 and giving them root" police are only in Oregon, so you should be ok. Although I hear they are expanding their field offices to include Fargo, ND and North Grovesnerdale, CT so be on the lookout if you are near those areas.
In all serious, I think you are fine.....

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I'm pretty sure the "modding G1 and giving them root" police are only in Oregon, so you should be ok. Although I hear they are expanding their field offices to include Fargo, ND and North Grovesnerdale, CT so be on the lookout if you are near those areas.
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**** good lookin out. I don't want to go to jail... haha

Ahahhhahahahaahahahahahahhahahahhahahaahahahahahhaahha! Ok, now that I got that out of my system. It is not illegal to mod an electronic device. When it becomes illegal is when you mod the device to do illegal actions, like play burnt copies of video games, or run illegal version of operating systems, etc. With that said, modding your g1/mt3g is just fine. As long as your not modding the phone to be a detonator for a nuclear bomb, your fine. Be sure to issue a disclaimer before modding anyone's phone. You don't want anyone coming back to your demanding money for a bricked phone. Just let them know that your trained in what you do, but there is still no guarantee that everything will go as planned. I've modded a couple of peoples g1's and I had them reply to an email with my personal disclaimer. Just as a back up...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SUPER FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but seriously...when I was younger I ALWAYS questioned if my actions hack/mod wise were legal......

fyi, it's now only illegal to load an old cyanogen mod with the proprietary google apps (for now, who knows what the future will bring legislation wise) .....according to google.....and probably their power lawyers.

While we are on the subject of legallity?
Hi to all i was just wondering if it is illegal to watch interspecies erotica? Because i am in school and i watch people you know give them root, and my dad thinks its illegal and want me to stop. he also thinks that some one is going to connect it to the web and blame me. i just want to get some other peoples views and such thanks for you feed back!-)
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just keep clear of any suspicious activities.... if someone asks for your help in making something that goes boom...its more than likely an fbi agent

It's not illegal unless you distribute copyrighted software. If you are simply rooting the phone you are fine, but if you have to downgrade it you are technically redistributing software without a license to do so. Either way I wouldn't worry about them coming to knock on your door for flashing a few kids phones.
On another note. Although it may make you the cool guy in class who can mod phones, I would advise you tell them to learn on their own. Otherwise you will end up being tech support for countless idiots who don't know what to do with root. Do you really feel like spending hours walking people through a Hero rom install, or SD partitioning? Cause that's what you are asking for by doing so.
The whole point of performing such mods is for the learning experience, and expanding the capabilities of your device for personal enjoyment. It's not so people can say "look what I can do" or "my phone is cooler than yours". My opinion is: If you won't put forth the effort to read and learn how, you don't need it.
You probably spent a good bit of time learning what you have. I know it feels great to be able to show off those skills, but in the long run they will thank you for making them learn rather than doing it for them.

gurnted said:
On another note. Although it may make you the cool guy in class who can mod phones, I would advise you tell them to learn on their own. Otherwise you will end up being tech support for countless idiots who don't know what to do with root. Do you really feel like spending hours walking people through a Hero rom install, or SD partitioning? Cause that's what you are asking for by doing so.
The whole point of performing such mods is for the learning experience, and expanding the capabilities of your device for personal enjoyment. It's not so people can say "look what I can do" or "my phone is cooler than yours". My opinion is: If you won't put forth the effort to read and learn how, you don't need it.
You probably spent a good bit of time learning what you have. I know it feels great to be able to show off those skills, but in the long run they will thank you for making them learn rather than doing it for them.
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What's next in cellphones? Opinion thread

It's late here, so sorry if this has been asked or talked about before. The phone I had for a length of time before this was a Nexus One. I switched to the G2X and hated it with a passion.
Our phones can darned near do anything I can possibly imagine today... especially when you consider that color screens were "hot" just a few years back.
I'm not a gamer by any means. I played Cut the Rope and Angry Birds, but have beaten em both with perfect scores... so gaming graphics aren't really "my" niche. However, what would you like to see a phone capable of next?
I just remember when I had my G1 and the Android platform has advanced so quickly, that I am at a loss of what I would like to see next. The only thing I could say would be a game-changer, would be some type of "real-time" translator. How amazing would that be?
So, my contribution is a translator that could do so in real-time (or at least close). What's yours?

Another random idea....
My 97 year old grandfather was blown away that I could order a book on my phone (through Amazon) and have it arrive the next day. He started talking about how he would love many of the things I do on it, such as checking the weather and news.
While we're all somewhat "techy" on here... it'd be neat to see something idiot proof. That is, something that isn't for the tech savvy like himself, to be able to use it. Voice search has come a long way, but still takes a fair amount of skill.

The trouble with translation of human speech is the literally unlimited variables. Not only the hundreds of languages, but the dialects, the accents, the mis-pronounciations and the combinations of all the above.
The technology will get there, it's just nowhere near just yet. (IBM are flouting their latest super computer is as clever as a cat, but it has 147,000+ CPUs! Not to mention the fact my cat isn't a gleaming example of intelligence).
As for what to expect in handsets, quite frankly, battery tech needs a good boot up the backside into reality, plus the efficiency tech to match.
'toy tech'-wise, I'd like things like an accurate body monitor, that'd be ideal for handicapped or the elderly (or the fitness savvy for that matter) which could automatically alert in case of problems.
Otherwise, there isn't much I can think of that this thing doesn't do (other than make the obligatory cup of coffee). Tech is getting to a place where gadgets can seriously be considered as possible devices to advance the human race rather than just assist it's user.
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rp-x1 said:
The trouble with translation of human speech is the literally unlimited variables. Not only the hundreds of languages, but the dialects, the accents, the mis-pronounciations and the combinations of all the above.
The technology will get there, it's just nowhere near just yet. (IBM are flouting their latest super computer is as clever as a cat, but it has 147,000+ CPUs! Not to mention the fact my cat isn't a gleaming example of intelligence).
As for what to expect in handsets, quite frankly, battery tech needs a good boot up the backside into reality, plus the efficiency tech to match.
'toy tech'-wise, I'd like things like an accurate body monitor, that'd be ideal for handicapped or the elderly (or the fitness savvy for that matter) which could automatically alert in case of problems.
Otherwise, there isn't much I can think of that this thing doesn't do (other than make the obligatory cup of coffee). Tech is getting to a place where gadgets can seriously be considered as possible devices to advance the human race rather than just assist it's user.
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Technically, our phones CAN make a cup of coffee now! Google arduino twitter coffee pot (or something similar). You can use twitter to send a command to a microcontroller that is hooked up to a coffee pot to make coffee when you tell it too from wherever you are.
Matt

momentarylapseofreason said:
, what would you like to see a phone capable of next?
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hologram calls instead of apps like FaceTime.
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We're getting there, probably when we're 97 and we get blown away when our grandson/daughters shows us we can hologram call in SuperHD mode as if the person is just next to you

What does this have to do with Sensation?

I would like a phone with "LASER" attached to its back
¤Violets are red,
Roses are blue,
Wait, what?
I have no idea what I'm saying,
But you lost the game¤

hello00 said:
What does this have to do with Sensation?
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there are some sensational ideas floating around....

mr2324jgf said:
there are some sensational ideas floating around....
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that makes sense!

1ASBAK1's Android [Apps] and [Tips] that survived years of evolutionary pressure.

Hi there guys,
I am a Medical student from Amsterdam. and have finally decided to participate in this forum with the goal Sharing My personal android [Apps] and [Tips] that survived years of evolutionary pressure. And I want to do so in a way that is a little bit different than that we are used to, via a mindmap that is (scroll down) :good:
Get me right here I am by no means even remotely related to the neighbor of the cousin of a Developer.
I am just one of you guys, a regular general xda users that is trying to distillate everything useful out of these Forums and put it to use
This is the moment I will spit some of this love right back in thy face. ​
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[Introduction]
Gone are the days of typing a text messages with T9 only to find yourself counting the characters to minimize it all to 1 SMS.
These are the days in which we use our phones (to) excessively for every little this and that.
I do believe that it is how we have set up our phones on a the basic level (not the Rom, kernel, ect we have installed on it) that determines most of our user experience. I know that I probably p*ss*d off several people right there.
Don't get me wrong here, these forums are full of GREAT Devs delivering GREAT work kernel-and-rom-wise. And YES I do think that for instance a different touch-screen driver can defiantly be a game changer in the way we use our phone. In addition, there are much more of these examples(charger control, screen calibration etc.) that quite enhance user experience.
In my humble opinion I know that eventually these things are not what makes my phone a great, useful or even mind extending tool. Trust me here, for quite some time I have been coping with well-known tendency to keep flashing and flashing.
trough the years I have gone all MAD- [ASOP-MIUI-CAF-CM(lots of its "distro's" included)-Sailfish-Stock'nd'Hybrid]-APE-Sh*T on my Phones (i9070 -> nexus5 -> Opo)
I have to admit that there are still times (*kuch*OFTEN*kuch*) my behavior relapses into the fatty livered Flashaholic I once was. :crying:
I know for a fact that there are quite some readers who are like "yup. I can relate to this". :highfive: ! so lets get serious.
Generally speaking, every time you flash a (non-major android release)ROM there doesn't really change anything essential in the way you use your phone right?
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I do not want to get all to jibberish philosophical on the subject because initially I am here to bring you something hopefully useful. So you can skip this paragraph if you want:
All I know is that the PLACEBO effect does quite some magical things to the humans we are, so my best guess is that most probably "it" does also it's effect on these forums. In short:
If we expect X then we will experience at least a little bit of X. :angel:
For that, If we put effort into flashing a zip and we get an emotional stimulus accordingly (examples: "Look at me being awesomely geeky" or "Wow I hope I won't be destroying my phone with this flashable camera Hal") Chances are that what we will experience as
"THE SMOOTHEST ROM EVER" will at least partially be caused by this often seemingly paradoxical phenomena called Placebo.
Sounds familiar right. This example is simply written in about only 8 out of 10 threads you open. :silly:
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But well, lets get to what it is this seemingly cynical person has you to offer :good: (don't worry) :
Over the years, there have been several "phases" In winch we have gone knee deep into a specific topic. I think this will not sound unfamiliar since I am definitely not the only one here. Just to name a few, I know some of you can relate to.
Launchers, Equalizer, gestures, photography(editing),remote control, and so on and so forth. my most recent for instance are Raw photo shooting and Google Cardboard. I say knee deep because as I said before I am no developer so I haven't gone in neck(code)deep.
What I want to do in this thread is described the Android deliciousness that have survived this strong urge to keep jumping from one '"Phase" to another and to combine this with the tweaks and general stuff that has made it so far trough the rising android evolutionary resistances by growing competition and the constant change of the technological world we live in.
Of course, I am not going to make this a freaking blizzardous long post containing all details and way to obvious apps etc. because that would
1]. Not be of any use for you. since you probably know everything already.
2]. Everything you have to setup according to your style. There are only a few MUST HAVE things which get a special treatment. (see photo below)
3]. Thiss will take me way to much time which I don't have since I am already typing this document to avoid studying.
Tldr:
I am going to superficially share my personal distilled [APPS] & [TIPS] and the way I use my phone every day. Hopefully skipping most of the way to obvious aspects. (facebook,Instagram,the power on button of your phone..or the fact that you are continuously seeing your nose without you even realizing it.etc) I want to keep it readable. agreed? See below​
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Did you notice how I did my best to emphasize the "personal" aspect of this thread in the first Alinea? If not let me just explain one seemingly simple thing. I am just a 22 y.o. Dutch student with his own views on the world and for that on the way we use our phones. If you think I suck because of the things I write in this thread. Then I want to congratulate you! You are as human as me. we all have opinions. Sharing them in a respectful/discrete way is MEGA appreciated. see what I did there?
[ If by any means I violate forum rules please make me aware of that. ]
Foresight:
The second and third post will be used for working out the things stated above.
I have been typing and thinking for two days now and I wanted to let you guys know I was working on something. Therefor this not yet completed "paper" It already contains the essentials, though!
Since this is my first post ever let me know what you think.
please.
Have a great day, Greetings from Amsterdam!

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A TLDR version would be great.

You wrote a book about nothing , are you sure youre not a political science major?
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What You Do Everyday That Spoil Your Mobile Phone Battery

Mobile phone battery is as far as every literate phone user is concerned the best thing that can make a user happy using his/her phone. Using a mobile phone whose battery is non-functional or weak is a horrible experience which every phone user hates very much, which in this case I have been a victim.
I consistently thought that licking the contact point of a phone battery is a very healthy way of knowing if your battery is still alive and kicking and also to test for the charge in it. This understanding is what I knew almost every phone technician thinks its good for phone batteries but on the contrary, I was amazed to find out just today as I bought a new phone, specifically AllCall Rio and I proceeded to read the guide inscribed into the phone so as to make a better user.
I was suprised to find out that the actions we take everyday (licking the point of contact) thinking its designated to detect the battery life was actually wrong. Licking the battery contact point causes short circuit, rusts battery and reduces the battery efficiency.

Ya... that's probably not the best idea.

Might as well lick your outlet as well to make sure it's working, and while you're doing that, lick the stove too while it's on to make sure the fire's up and running, you know, to make sure it's still working and such...
But seriously, I know licking the contact point won't kill you or something, but I still don't want to lick the contact point. And there has to be better ways to do this than use your tongue to lick a damn piece of metal connected to a battery.

Did someone mention licking ?
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In all honesty, I seriously wonder who actually came up with the idea that licking the contact point would be a surefire way to tell whether a phone or something is alive and kicking. There has to be better ways to do something like this; I know that using your finger to touch the contact point doesn't give enough feedback in most cases, but some kind of life hack must exist somewhere for this sort of situation.
The fact that people consistently lick their contact points makes me fearful about what would happen if they did it with something which took more juice - for example, a few years ago I accidentally touched one of the prongs a partly-inserted power supply for my desktop and already got quite a shock from it, which numbed my whole body. The consequences for licking something like that must be far worse than just numbness and tingling...
In the end, though, I never heard anything about licking contact points where I live. Maybe it's because the people I associate with are more literate with computers than most, or maybe because the people in the US have already unearthed the truths and the dangers of licking contact points...either way, I know that's something I won't do, probably ever.
EDIT: Also realized that licking the contact point in most cases would mean turning off the phone (if my assumption that you take out the battery to lick it would be correct). If not, then the fact that people lick there phones would never allow me to get a secondhand phone...though I wouldn't have anyways, seeing as how you can already hide water damage on a phone with just a bit of bleach on the indicator.
These days, I just assume that any secondhand phone is due to water damage. Just to be safe.

Hi, I also just aquired the allcall rio.
Can you help me out with a few things,
1. does the back come off in order to reach the battery?
2. on a normal phone pressing the middle button normally gains you access into the app menu, for some reason i can only access the home screen with the apps being accessed by sliding the home screen to multi home screens, is this normal?
3. have you rooted your phone and if so can you leadme to where you done this?
I like the phone, just wondering whether what iv stated are normal features or a fault with mine
Thanks in advance for any help / info
Cheers

Thanks for sharing with these recommendations! The phone battery can really sometimes be a problem, however in my case it isn't an annoying thing because except mobile connection I use my smartphone only for reading and lurking through net